This is awesome stuff. IMHO JDP is an absolute treasure trove of information for those of use working to reconstruct european longsword arts. There are so many similarities. I think JDP masters and longsword students should get together and compare notes.
The title MARTIAL ART is greatly exaggerated. Some hundreds of years ago, Northern Portuguese rural mans always walked with a stick anywhere they went. It was used for everything since directing animals to protection. There were friendly competitions between mans at the time and usually, traditional market days or festivities always ended with drunks fighting with the sticks. Some had fame to be champions and all that but MARTIAL ART? there were no masters of STICK FIGHT. This is an invention
Kids learned it watching older people and has they also always walked around with a stick, they ended following the footsteps. But there is no rigid Stick style neither different schools, or even Masters who had disciples like any other real martial art. This is a very old Northern Portuguese and Galician tradition but, has i said, i would'nt use the words MARTIAL ART in their truth and full meaning.
@GabKoost Don't confusing modern martial arts techniques with ancient fighting. All Martial arts have all evolved in the same context you specified morphing and adapting to geographical and sociological circumstances. Your analogy is too constricted. Remember, organized warfare were often the exclusive domain of the monarchs, the average citizen or peasant developed his form of self-protection, that's how martial arts have evolved the world over.
@GabKoost GabKoost , JDP is a martial art, you do not need to have an organization or a certified master in order for it to be so. Techniques for JDP were inherited from father to son, where the father was the master, this is similar to how martial arts the world over evolved. Do not confuse modern teaching techniques with the evolution of ancient methodologies, because its out of historical context to assume that the martial arts we have today exist in the same form historically.
@GabKoost. Martial arts is an evolving entity, not a rigid form. That's why mixed martial arts, is preferred over karate, or why capoeira is a virtually dead form of martial arts. As for JDP, it has a long history, although refined during the middle ages, incorporating fencing techniques, it has a basis in pre-roman tribal society. This is a very ancient fighting style that is older than many of the so-called structured martial arts.
@MrGondomil, as an addendum, I would speculate that it was most likely refined using modern fencing techniques in the 1800's although medieval sword fighting techniques are clearly visible in JDP.
I might agree with you about the social context of martial arts evolution. Anyway, my grand father was a good JDP fighter has some of their brothers also. I have seen has a young kid real live demonstrations and heard a lot of histories about JDP and how they would go from Braga - Guimarães to Fafe were the greatest "tournaments" traditionally happened due to the Local folklore. All these young players have a scientific approach to it that makes me laugh.
Videos from JDP players are clearly inspired in Asiatic exhibition from some form. I guess they saw to much movies. The way they act, the way they move. jump etc is far from what i have seen with my eyes as a kid and that is why i criticize the "martial art" label.
@GabKoost I agree that the form has been somewhat sensationalized, but that's common in every martial art, that's the only way that JDP will get a global appeal, through these demonstrations. My father's uncle was a JDP fighter, and he taught it to my older siblings back home in Northern Portugal. My brothers credit JDP with saving their butts on numerous occasions. JDP is the real deal.
Come on, who cares about global appeal. What really matter's is to keep the game like it was an tell young people why, when and were it was born. JDP is a strictly played game from North Portugal and some regions of Galicia. This was due to the social mobility of Feiras and Romarias that obliged people to travel by foot many times
@GabKoost Global appeal is vital in order for this martial art to survive, it's as simple as that. without reaching outside its borders, JDP will eventually vanish. Just because the Northern Portuguese created this martial art, does not mean it will survive in Northern Portugal. Kids these days are more likely to gravitate to TV and Video games, than to learn JDP. When you consider the competition that JDP must face with other martial arts, taking JDP out of Portugal is vital to its survival.
.Don't forget that at the time everybody had animals and they were guided with a stick. The stick is a element of everyday life for man's of Northwestern Iberia and, naturally, a form of defense was born due to that. Stupid is to say, like some, that it came form asian influence. As i ve said before, they will do anything to make it look like an asian martial art. I just think you should preserve the real context and stop making ninja style demonstrations. It's stupid.
@GabKoost As per previous statement that martial arts is an evolving entity, to confine it to regional customs would do more harm than good. Not only is JDP the pride of the Portuguese in Portugal, but it can also be the pride of the Portuguese globally. As for it looking like asian martial art, the gear they wear is just for protection, creating Portuguese centric protection would be great, but not necessary practical.
@MrGondomil The competitions, are not asian at all but western standards created in order to have a point system. I believe it came out of the Olympics if I'm not mistaken. Keep in mind, that even well known martial arts like Taekwondo and karate took the form they have today only in the last 50 - 60 years or so, even though those martial arts themselves are much older. Let's take JDP to the next level, let us ensure its survival.
Olá amigo! Eu não sou o melhor para responder a detalhes técnicos já que tive poucos meses de treino. Contudo, pelo que sei, a forma de agarrar a arma é quase sempre na base, existindo algumas variantes, por exemplo, no meio da mesma, ainda que menos frequentes. Quanto às aulas no Brasil, não te sei responder. Espero que outros companheiros da arte o saibam e coloquem aqui a informação. Abraço
Esqueci-me de dizer que o Ateneu Comercial Português é em Lisboa (rua das Portas de Santo Antão, ao lado do Coliseu. Estação do Metro dos Restauradores ou do Rossio).
O Ateneu é uma escola onde se ensina jogo do pau há mais de um século.
Go on my son,give him same stick.Bom vedio ,quamdo eu um rapaz de 17 anos ,eu ia la todos os dias au Ateneu para treinar a luta greca/romana,entao eu culheco esse lugar muito bem.Adeus e saude.
Treinos no Ateneu Comercial Português, Portas de Santo Antão, ao lado do Coliseu. Metro Restauradores ou Rossio. Era a escola do grande Mestre Ferreira, hoje sob orientação do seu sucessor Mestre Monteiro.
Pode ir praticar lá que será benvindo/a. E ainda por cima é barato!
não estaremos óbviamente a falar do mesmo jogo do pau...
Desde a sua origem, bem sei que não o jogavam com esse "ciber-adresso", mas enfim, será como o refere, uma coisa tipo "playstacion" que num real jogo de pau, seria mais espectacular de varrer...
Muito bom...pena não estar mais espalhado pela terra natal. Cá no alentejo inda so temos as coisas estrageiras (karate capoeira taekwondo)he he he.Passem por évora mais vezes e deixem cá alguem pra nos ensinar esta grande arte marcial portuguesa =D
Hi again Zuk. I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't find your video response, but I went to your user area and saw your videos. I found them quite interesting. In regard to Jogo do Pau, I'm still trying to contact my teacher but I've not been abble to reach him. I'm not practicing anymore because I'm moving to London (or maybe Barcelona). I'll send him an email with this link so he can answer you. Meanwhile, we can subscribe to each other's videos, hum?
This is awesome stuff. IMHO JDP is an absolute treasure trove of information for those of use working to reconstruct european longsword arts. There are so many similarities. I think JDP masters and longsword students should get together and compare notes.
temmy9 1 year ago
@temmy9 Cheers mate. I think there's a group in Germany which just started to do those studies.
principearabias 1 year ago
parece um kendo mais violento com roupa mais maneira
matthaeus17 2 years ago
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Lee94503 2 years ago
The title MARTIAL ART is greatly exaggerated. Some hundreds of years ago, Northern Portuguese rural mans always walked with a stick anywhere they went. It was used for everything since directing animals to protection. There were friendly competitions between mans at the time and usually, traditional market days or festivities always ended with drunks fighting with the sticks. Some had fame to be champions and all that but MARTIAL ART? there were no masters of STICK FIGHT. This is an invention
GabKoost 2 years ago
Kids learned it watching older people and has they also always walked around with a stick, they ended following the footsteps. But there is no rigid Stick style neither different schools, or even Masters who had disciples like any other real martial art. This is a very old Northern Portuguese and Galician tradition but, has i said, i would'nt use the words MARTIAL ART in their truth and full meaning.
GabKoost 2 years ago
@GabKoost Don't confusing modern martial arts techniques with ancient fighting. All Martial arts have all evolved in the same context you specified morphing and adapting to geographical and sociological circumstances. Your analogy is too constricted. Remember, organized warfare were often the exclusive domain of the monarchs, the average citizen or peasant developed his form of self-protection, that's how martial arts have evolved the world over.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
@GabKoost GabKoost , JDP is a martial art, you do not need to have an organization or a certified master in order for it to be so. Techniques for JDP were inherited from father to son, where the father was the master, this is similar to how martial arts the world over evolved. Do not confuse modern teaching techniques with the evolution of ancient methodologies, because its out of historical context to assume that the martial arts we have today exist in the same form historically.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
@GabKoost. Martial arts is an evolving entity, not a rigid form. That's why mixed martial arts, is preferred over karate, or why capoeira is a virtually dead form of martial arts. As for JDP, it has a long history, although refined during the middle ages, incorporating fencing techniques, it has a basis in pre-roman tribal society. This is a very ancient fighting style that is older than many of the so-called structured martial arts.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
@MrGondomil, as an addendum, I would speculate that it was most likely refined using modern fencing techniques in the 1800's although medieval sword fighting techniques are clearly visible in JDP.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
I might agree with you about the social context of martial arts evolution. Anyway, my grand father was a good JDP fighter has some of their brothers also. I have seen has a young kid real live demonstrations and heard a lot of histories about JDP and how they would go from Braga - Guimarães to Fafe were the greatest "tournaments" traditionally happened due to the Local folklore. All these young players have a scientific approach to it that makes me laugh.
GabKoost 2 years ago
Videos from JDP players are clearly inspired in Asiatic exhibition from some form. I guess they saw to much movies. The way they act, the way they move. jump etc is far from what i have seen with my eyes as a kid and that is why i criticize the "martial art" label.
GabKoost 2 years ago
@GabKoost I agree that the form has been somewhat sensationalized, but that's common in every martial art, that's the only way that JDP will get a global appeal, through these demonstrations. My father's uncle was a JDP fighter, and he taught it to my older siblings back home in Northern Portugal. My brothers credit JDP with saving their butts on numerous occasions. JDP is the real deal.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
Come on, who cares about global appeal. What really matter's is to keep the game like it was an tell young people why, when and were it was born. JDP is a strictly played game from North Portugal and some regions of Galicia. This was due to the social mobility of Feiras and Romarias that obliged people to travel by foot many times
GabKoost 2 years ago
@GabKoost Global appeal is vital in order for this martial art to survive, it's as simple as that. without reaching outside its borders, JDP will eventually vanish. Just because the Northern Portuguese created this martial art, does not mean it will survive in Northern Portugal. Kids these days are more likely to gravitate to TV and Video games, than to learn JDP. When you consider the competition that JDP must face with other martial arts, taking JDP out of Portugal is vital to its survival.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
.Don't forget that at the time everybody had animals and they were guided with a stick. The stick is a element of everyday life for man's of Northwestern Iberia and, naturally, a form of defense was born due to that. Stupid is to say, like some, that it came form asian influence. As i ve said before, they will do anything to make it look like an asian martial art. I just think you should preserve the real context and stop making ninja style demonstrations. It's stupid.
GabKoost 2 years ago
@GabKoost As per previous statement that martial arts is an evolving entity, to confine it to regional customs would do more harm than good. Not only is JDP the pride of the Portuguese in Portugal, but it can also be the pride of the Portuguese globally. As for it looking like asian martial art, the gear they wear is just for protection, creating Portuguese centric protection would be great, but not necessary practical.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
@MrGondomil The competitions, are not asian at all but western standards created in order to have a point system. I believe it came out of the Olympics if I'm not mistaken. Keep in mind, that even well known martial arts like Taekwondo and karate took the form they have today only in the last 50 - 60 years or so, even though those martial arts themselves are much older. Let's take JDP to the next level, let us ensure its survival.
MrGondomil 2 years ago
Que legal! Não sabia que Portugal tinha uma arte marcial própria. E o cajado é uma arma muito interessante.
Existem professores oficiais disso aqui no Brasil?
Só uma pergunta: Só se segura na base do cajado, como uma espada, ou também pode-se segurar no meio do cajado, utilizando-o como o bastão de kung-fu?
Abraços aos amigos de Portugal! =D
diegoyun 2 years ago
Olá amigo! Eu não sou o melhor para responder a detalhes técnicos já que tive poucos meses de treino. Contudo, pelo que sei, a forma de agarrar a arma é quase sempre na base, existindo algumas variantes, por exemplo, no meio da mesma, ainda que menos frequentes. Quanto às aulas no Brasil, não te sei responder. Espero que outros companheiros da arte o saibam e coloquem aqui a informação. Abraço
principearabias 2 years ago
Esqueci-me de dizer que o Ateneu Comercial Português é em Lisboa (rua das Portas de Santo Antão, ao lado do Coliseu. Estação do Metro dos Restauradores ou do Rossio).
O Ateneu é uma escola onde se ensina jogo do pau há mais de um século.
jpesperancatimor 4 years ago 3
Is there any master teaching the art abroad?
dewihartini 4 years ago
Go on my son,give him same stick.Bom vedio ,quamdo eu um rapaz de 17 anos ,eu ia la todos os dias au Ateneu para treinar a luta greca/romana,entao eu culheco esse lugar muito bem.Adeus e saude.
riotagus 4 years ago
Treinos no Ateneu Comercial Português, Portas de Santo Antão, ao lado do Coliseu. Metro Restauradores ou Rossio. Era a escola do grande Mestre Ferreira, hoje sob orientação do seu sucessor Mestre Monteiro.
Pode ir praticar lá que será benvindo/a. E ainda por cima é barato!
jpesperancatimor 4 years ago
I was told that Mestre Ferreira is great. I wish I could have the opportunity to learn from him
dewihartini 4 years ago
jogo do pau português não tem este equipamento.
LusoVIDEOcam 4 years ago
este equipamento foi designed especificamente para jogo de pau
honeyputdowndaknife 4 years ago
não estaremos óbviamente a falar do mesmo jogo do pau...
Desde a sua origem, bem sei que não o jogavam com esse "ciber-adresso", mas enfim, será como o refere, uma coisa tipo "playstacion" que num real jogo de pau, seria mais espectacular de varrer...
LusoVIDEOcam 4 years ago
Muito bom...pena não estar mais espalhado pela terra natal. Cá no alentejo inda so temos as coisas estrageiras (karate capoeira taekwondo)he he he.Passem por évora mais vezes e deixem cá alguem pra nos ensinar esta grande arte marcial portuguesa =D
Junnas 5 years ago
Is there any chance to participate on a seminar for jogo do pau. Where are you based ? Highly interested in what you do !
zukuru 5 years ago
Hi Zukuru! We're based in Lisbon, Portugal. Let me get to my teacher and tell him about your interest...I'll get back to you.
principearabias 5 years ago
Hi PA,
any news on this one ? Posted a video to give you the opportunity to have a look q what we´re doing.
chers
Zukuru
zukuru 5 years ago
Hi again Zuk. I'm sorry for my delay. I didn't find your video response, but I went to your user area and saw your videos. I found them quite interesting. In regard to Jogo do Pau, I'm still trying to contact my teacher but I've not been abble to reach him. I'm not practicing anymore because I'm moving to London (or maybe Barcelona). I'll send him an email with this link so he can answer you. Meanwhile, we can subscribe to each other's videos, hum?
principearabias 5 years ago