Medvedev's axe falls on top generals after arms depot blasts

[headlesshessian76]

buy american weapons!...battlefield tested american weapons are far better than russian junk!...contact uncle sam at the pentagon for the best weapons in the world!...win you next war with glory from the only superpower in the world!...sale! sale! sale!.../wisconsin

[bboucharde]

mokdadmm,

One thing is certain: Russia needs to strengthen, increase, and improve electric (high voltage) transmission and electric grid monitoring and control. System reliability, especially east of the Urals is a big issue. Medvedev must be aware of this problem.

[bladensburg1814]

usa and nato has always known that the russian military is full of redneck vodka drunks and idiots!...you will never ever defeat america in any war you stupid pigfuckers! /wisconsin

[RyRyVids]

I like how Russia's executive branch goes straight to it's generals when a serrious problem arises. The US scape goats its enlisted. For example, in the case of the prison abuse scandel in Iraq. Medvedev is a real leader.

[bboucharde]

DIVERSITYRECESSION3,

Russia has the best leadership that it has ever had: Medvedev & Putin--smart, strong, & yet more agile than the average national leadersip. Some other countries have relatively good leadership: India and Chile come to mind. As for the USA? We have a unique situation here: We had a NEOCON clique engineered by Karl Rove, & they over-reached & failed. The electorate over-reacted by electing this South Chicago neo-Marxist opportunist under the thumb of Goldman-Sachs.

[mokdadmm]

The burning of the Reichstag let to accusations and overthrow of other political groups in Germany and thus giving the Nazi party full control of government.

The 9/11 terrorist attact gave the White House full control of military and war from the American Congress in the excuse of fighting terrorism.

This blast led to the decommissioning of 2 top ranking gererals in the Russian army.

Does History Repeat Itself?

[Peadarisback]

yes. History repeats itself, Germany used a communist attack in the 1930s to set up a dictatorship (as you said) The American's used 9/11 as an attack to use state-sponsoered terror and to continue the US doctraine of impreilism into the 21st centuary but I wouldn't put the sacking of russian generals into that same catgeorgy....(I'm not prasing the Russian goverment I'm just saying that this was the generals fault that these arms went off)

[mokdadmm]

Who ever the fault may be,but why rapid conclusion with investigation,same as history to gain power.Disasters all over Russia occurs,and the biggest one this year was the Sayano-Shushenskaya plant disaster,google it and you'll find the vast distruction to the ecosystem,human lives, and above all Russia's economy.Yet what is strange,RT and other Russian news channels emphasized so much on the blast and even the president reacted to it. This accident is simple compared to other disasters

[bboucharde]

mokdadmm,

Good information. I heard about the Sayano-Shushenskaya disaster, and I will look it up. You mentioned impact on economy. Really? Russia is so huge that it is hard for me to imagine that any single disaster could have a significant effect on gross domestic product in any year. If I am wrong, let me know. Thanks.

[ohcraisokay]

what about the vodka warehouse incident?

[bboucharde]

ohcraisokay,

Yes, I will read about that one (vodka warehouse), too. However, we must acknowledge that the US has had its share of disasters, like at Texas City in 1947. Copy-Paste "Texas City Explosion" into the YouTube search window.

BB

[ohcraisokay]

omg. The vodka warehouse was a joke. but TC got leveled. thanks for that bit of history lesson.

[bboucharde]

ohcraisokay,

LOL--You fooled me with the "vodka warehouse" lure. I hope that the Stolichnya warehouse is protected by state-of-the-art fire & explosion protection systems. The Russkies make the best vodka, heavy-lift space boosters, small-caliber firearms, caviar, anti-aircraft systems (S-400, etc.), & chess players.

BB

[mokdadmm]

Russia is large, but that doesn't mean it has a high economy. Its government and military may be rich and highly advanced, but its civilian stand income is very low which makes Russia one of the poorest countries in the world when coming to civilian income. The Sayano-Shushenskaya disaster was built during the Soviet rule and all civilian and taxes were put into this project. Just to show you how massive this project is, it feeds all of Siberia in electricity. So its shut-down is huge!

[bboucharde]

mokdadmm,

I think Sayano-Shushenskaya will be repaired and brought back online in a few months--It normally generates 6,400,000 kW, which is huge---and 70% is used by aluminum smelting plants. It does feed the Siberian grid, but there are other generation sources. In a pinch, the Russkies can bring in on-site generation--natural gas turbine generators. The big Siberian industrial & research centers all have power today: Novosibirsk, Irkutsk, Omsk, Krasnoyarsk, Tomsk, etc.

[mokdadmm]

bboucharde;

well, what can I say, congradulation, you proved me wrong about this information, you are right about that.

Good accurate research!

[bboucharde]

mokdadmm,

Thank you!

Happy Thanksgiving to you and all of our Canadian friends. I would like to live in Calgary some day.

I think Canadian companies can do some good deals with Russia to improve industrial safety and electric grid reliability.

BB

[mokdadmm]

bboucharde;

Thank you very too and happy thanksgiving to you and all our American brothers and sisters.

My best hope that this year thanksgiving and every thanksgiving will be a blessfull one to you and your family and friends.

Thanks!

[vendetta007mike]

Have you ever heard of Matthias Rust? He was a pilot which managed to fly from Finland to Moscow on a mini plane, in U.S.S.R. (in case you don't know). Do you know what were the consequences? The Minister of Defense of Soviet Union was sacked (in case you don't know). It is today that they can talk about this case. Do you know what was revealed? Gorbachev himself ordered the Russia ADS to neglect the pilot's attempt, by CIA willing (in case you don't know).

[mokdadmm]

Thanks ''vendetta007mike'',I did not know that information. If you have noticed,there is gaps in the story.For example,notice how RT and other Russian news channels emphasized on this blast and even the president of Russia reacted to it more than that of the Sayano-Shushenskaya plant disaster.Usally after an investigation,do they action.What is strange,they haven't even conducted the investigation of the blast, and yet 2 top generals are removed form the army! Do you see the gap?

[vendetta007mike]

I am sure that this is another provocation from Americans...

[bboucharde]

DIVERSITYRECESSION3,

Well, much of the old stock at this facility was blown up, but in general, Russia, the USA, the UK, France, & China sell and give away weapons all over the world. The armaments industry is huge, and for Russia, it is a major source of revenue. I am glad to see Medvedev clean house in the military bureacracy, however. Overall, he is a good president.

[abarzilai664]

Good move on Dimitri's part.

[montfaucon1916]

How about raising the safety standards, and training to these standards?

[xDrunkDevilx]

Standarts exists, but due to corruption level - most of the safety protocols are not executed. Just to save some money. Even though Medvedev himself took action, it's good that the corrupted system will be changed from the very top.

[montfaucon1916]

Sacking the leadership is a method, but will that reinforce people to "cover up" their mistakes, or will it encourage people to enforce the protocols?

The following steps must be taken along with Medvedev's sackings: Tackling corruption, establishing safety schools to enforce protocols, and rewarding those who are the most safe AND efficient organizations.

Medvedev had to do "something," but is it the right something?

[xDrunkDevilx]

Right or not - changes must be done. And as you guessed - enthusiasm of lower levels pretty often crashes upon "traditions" of upper levels. So - even if to apply those changes you mentioned - they won't take effect until the high command will follow them. And they will follow them if to change a person sitting in a chair. Right what Medvedev has done.

[vtkrey]

Safety rules exist, only that they are not always followed as we see.

[montfaucon1916]

But who is trained on them? Where was the "safety guy" when these munitions were being decommissioned?

Was there a risk assessment done prior to the operation?