this is kind of weird because I remember having a demo of civilization 4, years ago on my grandpa's computer and it looked nothing like this, but it had to have been almost a decade ago, it was probably out in the very late 90's but yea it looked nothing like this I've been looking for the one that I played all over YouTube but haven't found it can someone explain why this looks completely different??
I'm not a hardcore CIV fan but I do have CIV 3 and enjoy it not sure if I'm going to get CIV 5
@DWTerminator no I'm sorry it was Civilization call to power, that's what tripped me up because I guess it's not considered part of the civilization series because of legal reasons or something but that was one I used to have a demo for.
Oh ok. Activision had to remove the "Civilization" bit from Call to Power 2 before release for legal reasons. It's technically an offshoot of the Civ series regardless.
@mrfiggins It sucks. There isn't a clear focus of the game. The way the tiles operate is just ridiculous with how the resources can go on every tile. Also WORLD EDITOR. Nuff said.Oh yeah, have you played the previous game? Try it. You'll see how much better it is.
To name a few just from the turn-based strategy genre...
Master of Orion 2, Civilization 3, Age of Wonders, Disciples 2, Lords of the Realm 2, Lords of Magic, Medieval 2 Total War (if you consider it a TBS anyway... it can be both TBS and RTS, technically).
i think thats a realy bad review. i got civ 4 when it first came out and the first ever game i played on itwas the 1066 world map on huge. yes the game lags a lot when on huge on a slow computer but only very late in the certain game that you start. the feeling of spending months on one offline game and going from 1066 to the future era in 3 months was amazing. i played the full 18 civs, collonised america north and south. ruled europe and asia and collonised africa. was the best feeling i had.
The fact of the matter is that Civ4 is simply not that good of a game unless you've got Beyond the Sword. As it stands, it's a confusing, cluttered (interface-wise) mess of a turn-based strategy game that tries too hard to be better than its predecessors. It always seems like the game is out to hinder you at every chance it gets. For instance, gold flow always seems to be negative for no discernable reason and it's nearly impossible to support a large empire.
I have Civ 4 and all the expansion packs. I have tried again and again, but I just can't like the game. Main issues I have with the game, religion, I don't like it was added. Graphics, they feel worse than the previous versions. At least to me. Everything is so round and sterile.
I still prefer Civ 3 (with all exp). though, I guess from the series Civ 2 Test of Time remains my fav, ALIEN INVASIONS!
I am waiting for a COMPLETE version of 5 before I buy it. :)
I gotta say, I thought Civilization 4 was a very good game. I know the combat got a little screwy because of stacks, but otherwise the game was great. Plus, it runs fine on my computer and it's a Mac. I say you were a little too critical on the game. The religion system added positively to the game, as did the great people, increased wonders, civics etc. Ps, it certainly was a better game then Civilization 2, and 3. Can't wait till 5 comes out this year. Looks good
5 looks pretty much the same as 4, as far as I've seen. But anyway...
My main problems with Civ4 have been performance-related (that was mostly related to my terrible rig at the time... but even on my new one, which can max Crysis at playable framerates, it has some stuttering issues) and adjusting to it from Civ3. It's actually a little *over*complicated for its own good. The religion system is more of a burden than anything else, and yes, the combat is rather irritating.
I should have stopped buying the expantions. I thought they would make it better :(. Im gonna send them to blend tech so they can make a couple episodes with them. Will it blend?!!!
Last but not least, NUKES. In civ 3, the AI had respect for life and refrained from using nukes because of the huge penalties and risks(Felt more realistic). In civ4 they will use nukes for no reason cuz your cities ' dont have real people inside'. Its only a square with a level number on the side and they need to reduce that number. Thats how it feels to me. The game has no control. Nuclear age will ALWAYS end in a nuclear war and a desert world destroying everything u built for 6000 years...
instead of taking 10 turns or so like in civ 3 to start an attack on a city in civ 4, you need 1000 years. I think the main problem here with this game is the city % defence. I thought it was good in the beginning until i started to realize cities were not takeable till you got to build catapults. Bye bye ancient era fun. If your willing to let the AI rape the world resources and shape the world at their will until the middle ages, then play it. You might have fun. Not me!
The thing i most hate is the ability for cities to start with X% of defence. IF the AI builds a city next to ur capitol, your fucked. You will probably will not be able to take it away for the next 2000 years. The idea of needing a stack of units with every kind of units in it to succeed makes it stupid. I thought i needed less units to win a battle like they claimed before the game launched. I end up making more units than in civ 3 LOL. This game is terribad if your comming from civ 3.
I think Civ3>Civ4. Civ4 has nice naval combat, graphix, new additions, but the game feels so damn simple and nerfed. To me it feel like a downgrade from civ 3 to civ 4. It feels like a 'stack' game. you gotta have stacks of units to succeed in anything unlike in civ3(you needed good strats) They have taken away way too many choises ranging from air units destroying road networks to air units causing collateral damage to buildings and more.
You'd be amazed. It's playable (generally 20-40 fps) on max on my 8800GT, 2GB RAM, and A64 X2 2.8GHz. Of course, that's the demo on XP using the "DX10-enabling config edit." On DX9 max settings it's 30-60 fps. Crysis is made out to be an extremely difficult game to run on max settings when it's really not... what *is* difficult is to get it to run above 60fps on max settings without it dropping beyond that.
Those "5k" pc's are just excessively overpriced. You could easily build it for <= $1500.
@cookiepwnsU I doubt there is someone out there who would pay 5k to just be able to pay crysis.. They can get computer's way cheaper that can play crysis on high setting's
I tried it and didn't like it and then i replayed it when i got my next computer and liked it a lot but not quite as much as civ 3 but i liked so many of the new features and am repurchasing the game with all the expansion pack for 40 bucks i could actually recomend this game to old civ fans and that is from somone who never plays online (although i plan to because ill have to copies to give to someone)
Well, Civ4's transition to 3D and its interface really killed it for me. Some of the new features were kinda cool (civics, building things to get resources instead of just roads), but others (religion) hinder the game. Going from Civ3 to Civ4 is kinda nightmarish, to be honest. As far as the game itself being good though, Civ4 really needs Beyond the Sword for that.
Religion is one of the things which creates not fun, but over-complication in this game. Religion matters, but only in the sense that if you want to be on good terms with another civilization, you MUST adopt their religion. Boring and restrictive, isn't it? It's just another un-fun thing to worry about.
However, many of the fun things are gone: espionage, the ability to have many cities, attack AND defense ratings for units, and much of the military strategy.
Espionage makes its return in BtS, but what you speak of is wholly wrong. I can easily build more than 7 cities, it's just that you need to make sure the upkeep is balanced out (though it's certainly difficult). Religion isn't a problem since I usually adopt the Free Religion civic, thereby eliminating the necessity for state religions to match up for good diplomacy. The military strategy is pretty limited now, I'll admit. The interface was dumbed-down but the concepts are still fairly complex.
@DWTerminator, you have a point about the Free Religion civic, but at least to me, having to turn off one of the core innovations of a game in order to avoid having gameplay ruined isn't a sign of a game being good. Of course I COULD build more than 7 cities, but it's too damn difficult to sacrifice almost everything else just to do it. Civ IV has the feel of a constricted bureaucracy instead of far-flung empires vying for world domination.
I understand what you mean there... Previous Civ games just felt epic in scale, but Civ4 doesn't. It's more of a micromanagement game than the others, which means that Civ veterans will probably be put off fairly easily. Don't get me wrong though, I struggled through it once I got Beyond the Sword, which actually makes the game pretty decent.
@DWTerminator, yeah, the trade-off with 3-D graphics means a smaller and more limited world. That's one of the major reasons why I hate Civ 4. Nothing is as exciting in a Civ game, at least for me, than a wide-open, huge world, much of which can be shaped by the you, the player. Lack of space and cities makes it feel far more pre-determined and constricted; instead of building an empire, you're looking over your shoulder from day 1, micromanaging, and hoping you get lucky.
Indeed, Civ4 is a much smaller scale than the epicness of Civ3 and previous titles. You could tell that they built it mostly for multiplayer rather than singleplayer like the older, much better titles.
@DWTerminator, and what I mean by "turn off religion" is of course adopting Free Religion civic. Anyway, Civ 4 lacks depth and is extremely boring. Actually, I like the way the graphics look on Civ 3 better - they look more colorful and "medieval style". In Civ 3, long, protracted wars and many types of building/military strategies were possible, since building lots of cities didn't tank your economy. But with Civ 4, that's all gone...we're left with a dumbed-down game for noobs. :(
@DWTerminator, Indeed, Civ 3 is here to stay. It is definitely the best of the Civilization games, and in fact, will provide many years of enjoyment to come.
On a related note, I love designing games...I hope to start a company one day dedicated to quality games instead of dumbed-down games for noobs. You seem to understand what makes a game good...ever tried game design?
Tried? Yes. Never got past the planning stages. I've done a little mod work (that was never released for Neverwinter Nights but that's about all. Too many ideas bouncing in my head...
Civilization IV manages to be overly simplistic and also overly complicated. The game has almost no depth, yet it's almost impossible to play due to an excessive number of fairly useless options.
Worst of all, if you build more than 7 cities in this game, your economy crashes and scientific research becomes impossible. So, domination and conquest victory is essentially impossible in this game. Everywhere, games are being dumbed down for the sake of "accessibility" to newbies. Pathetic.
This review was done on a 2.66GHz Celeron D, 1GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9250. I've since upgraded and no longer have framerate issues until very late in the game.
I just bought Civ 4 complete (so it includes expansions) for 13.92 $ !!! That's on ebay so if u wanna buy it presently that's the right place to do it .
Anyway i think it'll definitively be a great game. I am a huge Civ fan and i played Civ 3 for a long time now and i hope Civ 4's gonna be even better !
Can't remember if there's a time limit or not, since I mostly play custom games, which allow you to customize the rules to your liking. As a result I've been able to play as long as I really feel like playing.
I was a die-hard civ2 and civ3 player and I think civ4 is the best yet. I WOULD recommend it to the old fans.
I find it odd that you recommend "free religion" because "it gives the most benefits". It totally depends of circumstances in your empire. You can't recommend this, because it depends on circumstance AND style of play... and I think circumstance weighs more. This is the case with all of the civics.
I though civ 4 was okay but allot of the stuff thats in civ 4 you can do in civ 3 with mods and cloning governments. So if you want more of a community then go with civ 4. otherwise civ 3 withs mods
You can raise the difficulty to one of the higher settings, and yes, there are some pretty cool mods out there (some come bundled with Beyond the Sword so those are the ones I know, but there's plenty out there).
Of course it is, but technically a Mac is also a PC (PC = personal computer). It's not a Windows PC, however (both good and bad depending on your situation), and isn't really much of a gaming platform at all.
I didn't like Civ4 all that much when I first got it (mostly the jump from Civ3 to 4 coupled with the vast number of bugs and other problems I had when I first got it. It's somewhat better now). Beyond the Sword made it a lot better though.
alright job none the less. Although some suggestions. 1. You should be more objective with your review, as in list pros and cons, not just your opinnions.
A review, by its very nature, is the opinion of the reviewer. These reviews are simply my honest thoughts on the game being reviewed, so of course some will disagree.
Civ4 is much less frustratingly difficult than previous Civ's. This was mostly to prevent newcomers to the series from being annoyed and quitting the game. I simply prefer the feel of Civ3's gameplay and difficulty to that of Civ4.
Yeah but once again your thoughts are not objective. Theres a negative spin on this review. Where as people such as IGN said this game was the best of the series and gave it 90% or higher. I just don't think the 3/5 is even close to a reasonable score.
Yes there's a negative spin on it. I didn't even get to PLAY the game until several months after I got it. When I *did* get to play it, it was nowhere NEAR what the other reviewers said it was. It just didn't feel like a Civ game at first. BtS made it a lot better though.
My scale goes like this: 1 = awful, 2 = mediocre, 3 = average, 4 = good, 5 = outstanding. You're entitled to your own opinion, of course, but in my mind Civ4 is perfectly reasonable at 3/5.
yeah see the only people who liked civ IV alot are the ones who hadn't been playing civ III for years like me. Civ IV is pretty cool but i've always prefered civ III
Yeah, Civ4 just doesn't have the same classic strategy feel and charm that Civ3 does. Not to say Civ4's bad, but until you play Beyond the Sword it's really not all that spectacular.
It took me a little while to adapt to some of the new stuff in the game. But once I did it was awesome. You can get a LOT of money from religions in the early part of the game.
Yeah, it takes some getting used to. There's definitely a good game underneath all the clutter, but they really didn't bring out the best Civ4 has to offer until Beyond the Sword.
i think i'll egt civ. revolution for ps3 instead.the demo was great and i can't wait for more!(it's the console version of the civilization games). and i may have forgotten where i put civ. 3
Hey DWT, can I have you quick opinions (since you seem to be responding to comments).
I'm completely new to civ- looks like a fun game. I tried out freeciv for a bit, but got extremely confused.
D2D has this out for $5- would it be worth the purchase?
Also, how long does it take to get used to the game? Anything I should consult? (how far apart to build cities, why settlers won't built at times, etc.)
Civ4 is fairly easy to get used to, but it takes a while to master the game as a whole. The game actually provides plenty of feedback so you know what goes where and such.
I would recommend getting both Civ4 and its Beyond the Sword expansion, if possible. BtS makes the game a lot better. $5 is pretty reasonable for the base game.
Civilization 3 is the bomb, Me and my friend play it all the time, My last game I was America and I am about 210 in rankings and my friend is 200, but all the rest are 60, we dominate!!! My friend also tried this game and he and I agree Civilization 3 is better because its easier to play and fun to play.
the frame rate problem probably comes from your CPU. If you lower the graphic settings, it takes the load off your GPU, but your CPU still works just as hard, and if it was bottlenecking your game at high it'll still bottleneck at low.
what i hate from civ 3 and 4 is the combat. Once a fucken archer killed my combat chopper in civ 4. The combat sucks as always but the other part of the game is good.
Glad you like the reviews, but the combat is weird sometimes. It depends on a "dice roll" system, which leaves the player bewildered sometimes. It works at least.
That use to happen in civ 2 a lot...ive never really had that problem more than a few times...and i have spent waaaaayyy too much time playing this game.
I think you were a little too harsh on it. I have played both and I like Civ4 better. I think the UI and everything else is a little more user friendly, and when it comes to combat, all the civ games have wacky outcomes. At least in Civ4 you are given the odds of winning. Another thing that struck me as odd is the choppiness. What were you running the game on? I was able to play on my laptop (1.5GHz Celeron M, intergrated graphics) and I could maintain a steady framerate (albiet not very smooth)
Going from Civ 3 to Civ 4, I had a hard time adjusting to the features. Not to mention that the game's pretty buggy (more so when I first got it).
This video is from my old rig. The new one runs it just fine, but for some reason it defaulted to max detail on my old Celeron D 2.66GHz, 1GB Ram, and Radeon 9250, and when I turned it down there was no noticeable difference in performance. It's just a badly optimized engine.
Also, Beyond the Sword was good enough to make me like Civ 4.
The gameplay of Civ 4 isn't bad. It's just that all the technical problems it has made it not fun at the time of this review. When I got Beyond the Sword, I found the game much, much better.
i like civ1 and colonization... recently bought civ3... but no matter what culture/strategy you choose above warlord it just seems to be luck. maybe it was the size of the world in earlier parts, where you could fortify your cities and put 5 tanks in each city, so they can defend on musketman.... don't know..i'm just dissapointed of such a weak sequel.
It's always luck in any Civ game. You have basically a dice roll to determine whether or not the attacker wins a battle, so sometimes an archer can beat a tank or something. In Civ 4 it's even more ridiculous. I've had a tank beaten by warriors. Yes. The first military unit you get beat my tank.
I liked Civ 3 better than 4 though. I haven't actually played 1 or 2 yet.
What patch did you download. I just got one call v1.74 and the game won't even start anymore. I'm trying the v1.61 one to try and troubleshoot the problem. Any thoughts?????
Good Review, I agree with the slowness of the engine and the graphics. I think I will always be a Civ 3 person though...
There are tons of mods and scenarios you can get for Civ4. There are tons of mods for space games, mars colonization, fantasy games and historical recreations. you should see if you can find something there.
Yep. Tons of stuff available, but I didn't really like Civ4 until Beyond the Sword. They just improved the game so much with BtS that I can easily look past its faults. The added scenarios also add to making it a great game.
Hey ummm... i just bought the complete edition on Steam. And I have a problem. I think. Well, when i downloaded it it gave me civ IV and every expansion (BTS, Warlords, Colonization) and i had to download it with 4 different applications. so i cant use Warlords and BTS ant the same time, or Civ IV and BTS. I have to switch programs, i asked 4 help everywhere i could, so plz answer
what do you mean it isn't made for single player? because i'd hate to play it multiplayer D:
i am no expert in civ3,or let's just say i suck horribly at it,BUT for some reason i can't stop playing it,eventhough i don't get specific things,so my question is.....
is there a good tutorial this time around or maybe just a easier to understand interface (because i didn't like the wikipedia type helpscreens in civ 3)
But I liked Religion...
JDTR1900 2 months ago
Bismarck was an asshole but an extremely fucking clever asshole.
kalashnikov96 2 months ago
True.
DWTerminator 2 months ago
Thanks for this review, you saved me from wasting some money on this game.
MrDataCode 4 months ago
this is kind of weird because I remember having a demo of civilization 4, years ago on my grandpa's computer and it looked nothing like this, but it had to have been almost a decade ago, it was probably out in the very late 90's but yea it looked nothing like this I've been looking for the one that I played all over YouTube but haven't found it can someone explain why this looks completely different??
I'm not a hardcore CIV fan but I do have CIV 3 and enjoy it not sure if I'm going to get CIV 5
UbinTimor 10 months ago
Civ4 wasn't out in the 90's. It was out in 2005. Perhaps you're thinking of Civ2 or some completely different game altogether?
Civ5 is a mess. Try the demo first.
DWTerminator 10 months ago
@DWTerminator no I'm sorry it was Civilization call to power, that's what tripped me up because I guess it's not considered part of the civilization series because of legal reasons or something but that was one I used to have a demo for.
UbinTimor 10 months ago
Oh ok. Activision had to remove the "Civilization" bit from Call to Power 2 before release for legal reasons. It's technically an offshoot of the Civ series regardless.
DWTerminator 10 months ago
@mrfiggins It sucks. There isn't a clear focus of the game. The way the tiles operate is just ridiculous with how the resources can go on every tile. Also WORLD EDITOR. Nuff said.Oh yeah, have you played the previous game? Try it. You'll see how much better it is.
Dxx36 10 months ago
if this isn't a great game what is?
josh4rock 10 months ago
To name a few just from the turn-based strategy genre...
Master of Orion 2, Civilization 3, Age of Wonders, Disciples 2, Lords of the Realm 2, Lords of Magic, Medieval 2 Total War (if you consider it a TBS anyway... it can be both TBS and RTS, technically).
DWTerminator 10 months ago
i think thats a realy bad review. i got civ 4 when it first came out and the first ever game i played on itwas the 1066 world map on huge. yes the game lags a lot when on huge on a slow computer but only very late in the certain game that you start. the feeling of spending months on one offline game and going from 1066 to the future era in 3 months was amazing. i played the full 18 civs, collonised america north and south. ruled europe and asia and collonised africa. was the best feeling i had.
stokie1999999 10 months ago
You're entitled to your opinions.
The fact of the matter is that Civ4 is simply not that good of a game unless you've got Beyond the Sword. As it stands, it's a confusing, cluttered (interface-wise) mess of a turn-based strategy game that tries too hard to be better than its predecessors. It always seems like the game is out to hinder you at every chance it gets. For instance, gold flow always seems to be negative for no discernable reason and it's nearly impossible to support a large empire.
DWTerminator 10 months ago
try to make the graphics better
flyingmidget12 10 months ago
I have Civ 4 and all the expansion packs. I have tried again and again, but I just can't like the game. Main issues I have with the game, religion, I don't like it was added. Graphics, they feel worse than the previous versions. At least to me. Everything is so round and sterile.
I still prefer Civ 3 (with all exp). though, I guess from the series Civ 2 Test of Time remains my fav, ALIEN INVASIONS!
I am waiting for a COMPLETE version of 5 before I buy it. :)
Thumbs up for 4min review
Trusteft 10 months ago
communism why the FUCK would i pick communism why the fudge would i pick it i dont know wat sid was thinking
kris10ish 11 months ago
$7.50 for this game and all 3 expansions on steam this weekend
GH2champ16 11 months ago
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ttrraavvyy 1 year ago
i have Civ V and downlaoding Civ IV just love games like Civ
GunJack4444 1 year ago
Civ5 is pretty radically different from Civ4, just so you know.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator i like civ 4 mroe i played it before in civ 4 you can zoom more and it doesnt lag as much on my stupid PC
GunJack4444 1 year ago
@DWTerminator Still the same basic game though. Been a fan of the series since my uncle gave me an extra copy of civ2 he had like 15 years ago.
olstar18 11 months ago
@DWTerminator do an evil genuis review that rts rocks
kris10ish 11 months ago
Great game but for some reason it reminds me of Black & White. I just like that game.
MisterAAnderson 1 year ago
Dunno where that comes from. B&W and Civ4 are radically different.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator Yeah but in both you build and then destroy(optionaly) :) practicly anything.
MisterAAnderson 1 year ago
@DWTerminator why u keep saying radically, what does that mean?
getwilly1 11 months ago
Radically = "extremely," or "excessively."
DWTerminator 11 months ago
@getwilly1 lol you dont know what Radically means lol
kris10ish 11 months ago
@MisterAAnderson I played black and white and that game seemed more like a poor attempt to take civiliation and put monsters in it.
olstar18 11 months ago
Dude, f you, civ 4 is the best game i've ever played.1e
pluutokas 1 year ago
Today I feel like saying something RAAANDOOOM!! :)
SondaroSasuke 1 year ago
near the end you actualy started sounding black :l
TheDarklord0211 1 year ago
That's a completely random observation.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator :) i try.
TheDarklord0211 1 year ago
You succeed at it too.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator :D
TheDarklord0211 1 year ago
i have to agree. RTS games just dont play well on multiplayer.
halosnoopy 1 year ago
This isn't an RTS (real-time strategy). It's TBS (turn-based strategy).
But yes, it doesn't play well on multiplayer apart from hotseat.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
i really want to get this game
CastawayRY 1 year ago
Well, it's on Steam and you can still find it in stores.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@CastawayRY might as well just get civilization 5 now
charliedoja 1 year ago
I gotta say, I thought Civilization 4 was a very good game. I know the combat got a little screwy because of stacks, but otherwise the game was great. Plus, it runs fine on my computer and it's a Mac. I say you were a little too critical on the game. The religion system added positively to the game, as did the great people, increased wonders, civics etc. Ps, it certainly was a better game then Civilization 2, and 3. Can't wait till 5 comes out this year. Looks good
MrFlac00 1 year ago
5 looks pretty much the same as 4, as far as I've seen. But anyway...
My main problems with Civ4 have been performance-related (that was mostly related to my terrible rig at the time... but even on my new one, which can max Crysis at playable framerates, it has some stuttering issues) and adjusting to it from Civ3. It's actually a little *over*complicated for its own good. The religion system is more of a burden than anything else, and yes, the combat is rather irritating.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
I should have stopped buying the expantions. I thought they would make it better :(. Im gonna send them to blend tech so they can make a couple episodes with them. Will it blend?!!!
ZergMazter 1 year ago
Well that's a little extreme, but yes, the game is kinda crappy.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
Last but not least, NUKES. In civ 3, the AI had respect for life and refrained from using nukes because of the huge penalties and risks(Felt more realistic). In civ4 they will use nukes for no reason cuz your cities ' dont have real people inside'. Its only a square with a level number on the side and they need to reduce that number. Thats how it feels to me. The game has no control. Nuclear age will ALWAYS end in a nuclear war and a desert world destroying everything u built for 6000 years...
ZergMazter 1 year ago
instead of taking 10 turns or so like in civ 3 to start an attack on a city in civ 4, you need 1000 years. I think the main problem here with this game is the city % defence. I thought it was good in the beginning until i started to realize cities were not takeable till you got to build catapults. Bye bye ancient era fun. If your willing to let the AI rape the world resources and shape the world at their will until the middle ages, then play it. You might have fun. Not me!
ZergMazter 1 year ago
The thing i most hate is the ability for cities to start with X% of defence. IF the AI builds a city next to ur capitol, your fucked. You will probably will not be able to take it away for the next 2000 years. The idea of needing a stack of units with every kind of units in it to succeed makes it stupid. I thought i needed less units to win a battle like they claimed before the game launched. I end up making more units than in civ 3 LOL. This game is terribad if your comming from civ 3.
ZergMazter 1 year ago
I think Civ3>Civ4. Civ4 has nice naval combat, graphix, new additions, but the game feels so damn simple and nerfed. To me it feel like a downgrade from civ 3 to civ 4. It feels like a 'stack' game. you gotta have stacks of units to succeed in anything unlike in civ3(you needed good strats) They have taken away way too many choises ranging from air units destroying road networks to air units causing collateral damage to buildings and more.
ZergMazter 1 year ago
You clearly have no idea what you're talking about about just everything you talk about in the video. Have a nice day.
thegatso 1 year ago
You clearly are a troll. Have a nice day.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
If you're complaining about FPS then its your comp, not the game.
BillyJimmyBobbyTimmy 1 year ago
Even on my new PC (which can max Crysis with little difficulty), the framerate tanks in the late game. The game engine isn't all that great.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator you do know a 5k pc can just play crysis on max. i doubt a pc with a an 8800GT, 2GB RAM, and an Athlon 64 X2 2.8GHz cpu. can.
cookiepwnsU 1 year ago
You'd be amazed. It's playable (generally 20-40 fps) on max on my 8800GT, 2GB RAM, and A64 X2 2.8GHz. Of course, that's the demo on XP using the "DX10-enabling config edit." On DX9 max settings it's 30-60 fps. Crysis is made out to be an extremely difficult game to run on max settings when it's really not... what *is* difficult is to get it to run above 60fps on max settings without it dropping beyond that.
Those "5k" pc's are just excessively overpriced. You could easily build it for <= $1500.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@cookiepwnsU I doubt there is someone out there who would pay 5k to just be able to pay crysis.. They can get computer's way cheaper that can play crysis on high setting's
SYPHOFIGHTER 1 year ago
I tried it and didn't like it and then i replayed it when i got my next computer and liked it a lot but not quite as much as civ 3 but i liked so many of the new features and am repurchasing the game with all the expansion pack for 40 bucks i could actually recomend this game to old civ fans and that is from somone who never plays online (although i plan to because ill have to copies to give to someone)
aerocheder 1 year ago
Well, Civ4's transition to 3D and its interface really killed it for me. Some of the new features were kinda cool (civics, building things to get resources instead of just roads), but others (religion) hinder the game. Going from Civ3 to Civ4 is kinda nightmarish, to be honest. As far as the game itself being good though, Civ4 really needs Beyond the Sword for that.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
Religion is one of the things which creates not fun, but over-complication in this game. Religion matters, but only in the sense that if you want to be on good terms with another civilization, you MUST adopt their religion. Boring and restrictive, isn't it? It's just another un-fun thing to worry about.
However, many of the fun things are gone: espionage, the ability to have many cities, attack AND defense ratings for units, and much of the military strategy.
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
Espionage makes its return in BtS, but what you speak of is wholly wrong. I can easily build more than 7 cities, it's just that you need to make sure the upkeep is balanced out (though it's certainly difficult). Religion isn't a problem since I usually adopt the Free Religion civic, thereby eliminating the necessity for state religions to match up for good diplomacy. The military strategy is pretty limited now, I'll admit. The interface was dumbed-down but the concepts are still fairly complex.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator, you have a point about the Free Religion civic, but at least to me, having to turn off one of the core innovations of a game in order to avoid having gameplay ruined isn't a sign of a game being good. Of course I COULD build more than 7 cities, but it's too damn difficult to sacrifice almost everything else just to do it. Civ IV has the feel of a constricted bureaucracy instead of far-flung empires vying for world domination.
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
I understand what you mean there... Previous Civ games just felt epic in scale, but Civ4 doesn't. It's more of a micromanagement game than the others, which means that Civ veterans will probably be put off fairly easily. Don't get me wrong though, I struggled through it once I got Beyond the Sword, which actually makes the game pretty decent.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator, yeah, the trade-off with 3-D graphics means a smaller and more limited world. That's one of the major reasons why I hate Civ 4. Nothing is as exciting in a Civ game, at least for me, than a wide-open, huge world, much of which can be shaped by the you, the player. Lack of space and cities makes it feel far more pre-determined and constricted; instead of building an empire, you're looking over your shoulder from day 1, micromanaging, and hoping you get lucky.
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
Indeed, Civ4 is a much smaller scale than the epicness of Civ3 and previous titles. You could tell that they built it mostly for multiplayer rather than singleplayer like the older, much better titles.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator, and what I mean by "turn off religion" is of course adopting Free Religion civic. Anyway, Civ 4 lacks depth and is extremely boring. Actually, I like the way the graphics look on Civ 3 better - they look more colorful and "medieval style". In Civ 3, long, protracted wars and many types of building/military strategies were possible, since building lots of cities didn't tank your economy. But with Civ 4, that's all gone...we're left with a dumbed-down game for noobs. :(
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
Look at it this way: at least we don't have Civ: Revolution on PC and can go back to the awesomeness of Civ1-3.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator, Indeed, Civ 3 is here to stay. It is definitely the best of the Civilization games, and in fact, will provide many years of enjoyment to come.
On a related note, I love designing games...I hope to start a company one day dedicated to quality games instead of dumbed-down games for noobs. You seem to understand what makes a game good...ever tried game design?
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
Tried? Yes. Never got past the planning stages. I've done a little mod work (that was never released for Neverwinter Nights but that's about all. Too many ideas bouncing in my head...
DWTerminator 1 year ago
Civilization IV manages to be overly simplistic and also overly complicated. The game has almost no depth, yet it's almost impossible to play due to an excessive number of fairly useless options.
Worst of all, if you build more than 7 cities in this game, your economy crashes and scientific research becomes impossible. So, domination and conquest victory is essentially impossible in this game. Everywhere, games are being dumbed down for the sake of "accessibility" to newbies. Pathetic.
KhagarBalugrak 1 year ago
i own at this game
bballbich 1 year ago
im sorry but ur rig just suks.... can u tell me ur specs?
MuslimCatLover 1 year ago
This review was done on a 2.66GHz Celeron D, 1GB of RAM, and a Radeon 9250. I've since upgraded and no longer have framerate issues until very late in the game.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
I just bought Civ 4 complete (so it includes expansions) for 13.92 $ !!! That's on ebay so if u wanna buy it presently that's the right place to do it .
Anyway i think it'll definitively be a great game. I am a huge Civ fan and i played Civ 3 for a long time now and i hope Civ 4's gonna be even better !
MrGerv96 1 year ago
Yeah, Civ4's fairly cheap right now, mostly because Civ5 comes out in September (and it looks exactly the same as Civ4 but with better visuals).
Civ4 is a little awkward going from Civ3. It wasn't until Beyond the Sword that I really liked it.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
@DWTerminator Hey just to update the pricing. Right now Steam has Civilization 4 Complete for $10.
xxmortimerxx 1 year ago
Ah, the wonders of Steam.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
I love to play Civ 4 BTS. I often play with Alexander as Leader with the Holy Roman Empire (Heiliges Römisches Reich Deutscher Nation)
WolgaGambit 1 year ago
how is it compared to civilization revolution on the consoles?
Itachi2336 1 year ago
Superior. Revolution was dumbed down a little for consoles.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
yeah, it was a pity too.....
Patriot16100 1 year ago
Yes, it was... I still like it though =)
ahkoifish 1 year ago
Do they give you a time limmit? is there a way to play for as long as you want?i hate beeing rush.
drusio210071 1 year ago
Can't remember if there's a time limit or not, since I mostly play custom games, which allow you to customize the rules to your liking. As a result I've been able to play as long as I really feel like playing.
DWTerminator 1 year ago
No time limit if you don't set the Time winnning option
StMessie 1 year ago
I love that game =D nice review =D but not the best quality =S (no offence) My video quality isnt better XD
tastyentertainment 2 years ago
Of course the video quality's not the best... it was filmed on my old rig.
Glad you liked the review though.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
I give the game a 10/10. it rules!
frootball98 2 years ago
i giv the game 8 out of 10
lifes40123 2 years ago
You're entitled to your own opinion.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
I respectfully disagree with most what you said.
I was a die-hard civ2 and civ3 player and I think civ4 is the best yet. I WOULD recommend it to the old fans.
I find it odd that you recommend "free religion" because "it gives the most benefits". It totally depends of circumstances in your empire. You can't recommend this, because it depends on circumstance AND style of play... and I think circumstance weighs more. This is the case with all of the civics.
tsjoencinema 2 years ago
do i need internet connection for civ 4?
Turrkiye 2 years ago
Absolutely not. This is one of those really good single plater games in history.
mrfiggins 2 years ago 5
@mrfiggins yeah cause in multi players people always quit
lifes40123 2 years ago
@Turrkiye No!
However ... I am sure you want the patches and updates and things like that.
tsjoencinema 2 years ago
I though civ 4 was okay but allot of the stuff thats in civ 4 you can do in civ 3 with mods and cloning governments. So if you want more of a community then go with civ 4. otherwise civ 3 withs mods
doomsday800 2 years ago
do* :)
PrinceOfswed 2 years ago
Great Review.
When you look at the city, and it says that there are too crowded.
How to you make it to not be crowded? :)
Sorry for bad english.
PrinceOfswed 2 years ago
I generally ignore the "too crowded" thing, but you can lower the population by creating settlers and workers.
Your English isn't that bad either.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Thanks :)
PrinceOfswed 2 years ago
Nice review dude
Chaotichero1 2 years ago
Glad you liked it.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Great review ;p
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eternia15 2 years ago
Glad you liked it.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
w00t go Bismarck
YaYzIwInZ 2 years ago
Definitely.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Thanks for the review, I'm going to buy it. So there is someway to make it more difficult? Or there is cool mods?
MusicLOG1 2 years ago
You can raise the difficulty to one of the higher settings, and yes, there are some pretty cool mods out there (some come bundled with Beyond the Sword so those are the ones I know, but there's plenty out there).
DWTerminator 2 years ago
it's laso for mac
hidudes1000 2 years ago
Of course it is, but technically a Mac is also a PC (PC = personal computer). It's not a Windows PC, however (both good and bad depending on your situation), and isn't really much of a gaming platform at all.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
man ur voice is very negative
easeymoney83 2 years ago
I didn't like Civ4 all that much when I first got it (mostly the jump from Civ3 to 4 coupled with the vast number of bugs and other problems I had when I first got it. It's somewhat better now). Beyond the Sword made it a lot better though.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
alright job none the less. Although some suggestions. 1. You should be more objective with your review, as in list pros and cons, not just your opinnions.
guygroomes85 2 years ago
I disagree about the them "making" the single player worse, it might be a little easier, not worse though
guygroomes85 2 years ago
just because its easier doesnt meen its worse. The game is still frustratingly difficult
guygroomes85 2 years ago
A review, by its very nature, is the opinion of the reviewer. These reviews are simply my honest thoughts on the game being reviewed, so of course some will disagree.
Civ4 is much less frustratingly difficult than previous Civ's. This was mostly to prevent newcomers to the series from being annoyed and quitting the game. I simply prefer the feel of Civ3's gameplay and difficulty to that of Civ4.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Yeah but once again your thoughts are not objective. Theres a negative spin on this review. Where as people such as IGN said this game was the best of the series and gave it 90% or higher. I just don't think the 3/5 is even close to a reasonable score.
guygroomes85 2 years ago
Yes there's a negative spin on it. I didn't even get to PLAY the game until several months after I got it. When I *did* get to play it, it was nowhere NEAR what the other reviewers said it was. It just didn't feel like a Civ game at first. BtS made it a lot better though.
My scale goes like this: 1 = awful, 2 = mediocre, 3 = average, 4 = good, 5 = outstanding. You're entitled to your own opinion, of course, but in my mind Civ4 is perfectly reasonable at 3/5.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Oh it's definitely difficult, especially on higher settings. That's a good thing in this case, though.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
I MUST PLAY CIV 4 NOW!
kikko89 2 years ago
ME TOO!
aha45 2 years ago
if you think civ 3 to civ 4 was bad civ 2 to civ 4 was a nightmare.
OrinjFlames24 2 years ago
I'm sure it was. They're vastly different.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Doesn't look too great. i prefer AoE.
This uses the Gamebro engine, right? Just liek Oblivion. That woul explain the bad performance...
MrVersipellis 2 years ago
Not exactly sure what engine it uses, but its performance wasn't helped by my crappy rig when I made the video.
And yes, Age of Empires is far better than Civ 4.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
AoE is a horrible game. wow
fiz52 2 years ago
You are horribly mistaken.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
yeah see the only people who liked civ IV alot are the ones who hadn't been playing civ III for years like me. Civ IV is pretty cool but i've always prefered civ III
kruns11 2 years ago
Yeah, Civ4 just doesn't have the same classic strategy feel and charm that Civ3 does. Not to say Civ4's bad, but until you play Beyond the Sword it's really not all that spectacular.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
This is similar to 3., but it is better visually, and has more options etc. I think that it is a great game :)
rhcp1lovethemgreat 2 years ago
I prefer 3... 4 simply isn't the same experience. :S
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Free religion doesn't necessarily give you the best benefit...
halfstepdown88 2 years ago
Depends on how you play.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
It took me a little while to adapt to some of the new stuff in the game. But once I did it was awesome. You can get a LOT of money from religions in the early part of the game.
RaynorX 2 years ago
Yeah, it takes some getting used to. There's definitely a good game underneath all the clutter, but they really didn't bring out the best Civ4 has to offer until Beyond the Sword.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
yeah Beyond the Sword is definitely the best. Haven't quite gotten the hang of the corporations yet though.
RaynorX 2 years ago
well I've been playing civilization since the first one and this version is my favorite.
tophercap 2 years ago
same but i didnt care for 1 and 2 and revolution....thats not even civilization, no complexity
Kodiax113 2 years ago
i think i'll egt civ. revolution for ps3 instead.the demo was great and i can't wait for more!(it's the console version of the civilization games). and i may have forgotten where i put civ. 3
supersniper67 2 years ago
I didn't like Revolution all that much, but to each their own.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
i will probobly get it for psp instead
supersniper67 2 years ago
Hey DWT, can I have you quick opinions (since you seem to be responding to comments).
I'm completely new to civ- looks like a fun game. I tried out freeciv for a bit, but got extremely confused.
D2D has this out for $5- would it be worth the purchase?
Also, how long does it take to get used to the game? Anything I should consult? (how far apart to build cities, why settlers won't built at times, etc.)
If you respond, thanks.
~Var
var18 2 years ago
Well, FreeCiv is a remake of Civ1, just FYI.
Civ4 is fairly easy to get used to, but it takes a while to master the game as a whole. The game actually provides plenty of feedback so you know what goes where and such.
I would recommend getting both Civ4 and its Beyond the Sword expansion, if possible. BtS makes the game a lot better. $5 is pretty reasonable for the base game.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
im german and i installed civ4 in english just to have the cool quotes of mr. spock lol
i love the game ^^
happosai27 2 years ago 5
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Civilization 3 is the bomb, Me and my friend play it all the time, My last game I was America and I am about 210 in rankings and my friend is 200, but all the rest are 60, we dominate!!! My friend also tried this game and he and I agree Civilization 3 is better because its easier to play and fun to play.
AdiosandWolverine13 2 years ago
Yeah, Civ3 is epic. Civ 4's good but it doesn't stack up to 3 for me. : /
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Super.
cazaret 2 years ago
the frame rate problem probably comes from your CPU. If you lower the graphic settings, it takes the load off your GPU, but your CPU still works just as hard, and if it was bottlenecking your game at high it'll still bottleneck at low.
RedAlert39 2 years ago
Maybe, I dunno. All I know is that now it runs fine.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
what i hate from civ 3 and 4 is the combat. Once a fucken archer killed my combat chopper in civ 4. The combat sucks as always but the other part of the game is good.
Keep it up with the reviews!!
Medatron19 2 years ago
Glad you like the reviews, but the combat is weird sometimes. It depends on a "dice roll" system, which leaves the player bewildered sometimes. It works at least.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Few times I had combat chances to win 89%, but I lost miserbly.
And once I destroy modern destroyer with galley. lol
Mesina2 2 years ago
That use to happen in civ 2 a lot...ive never really had that problem more than a few times...and i have spent waaaaayyy too much time playing this game.
enverpasha55 2 years ago
I think you were a little too harsh on it. I have played both and I like Civ4 better. I think the UI and everything else is a little more user friendly, and when it comes to combat, all the civ games have wacky outcomes. At least in Civ4 you are given the odds of winning. Another thing that struck me as odd is the choppiness. What were you running the game on? I was able to play on my laptop (1.5GHz Celeron M, intergrated graphics) and I could maintain a steady framerate (albiet not very smooth)
Dabeeble 2 years ago
Going from Civ 3 to Civ 4, I had a hard time adjusting to the features. Not to mention that the game's pretty buggy (more so when I first got it).
This video is from my old rig. The new one runs it just fine, but for some reason it defaulted to max detail on my old Celeron D 2.66GHz, 1GB Ram, and Radeon 9250, and when I turned it down there was no noticeable difference in performance. It's just a badly optimized engine.
Also, Beyond the Sword was good enough to make me like Civ 4.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
I think that your foucasing on the bad stuff insted of the good stuff
Ratchet620 2 years ago
The gameplay of Civ 4 isn't bad. It's just that all the technical problems it has made it not fun at the time of this review. When I got Beyond the Sword, I found the game much, much better.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
now i understand
Ratchet620 2 years ago
Okey dokey.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
i like civ1 and colonization... recently bought civ3... but no matter what culture/strategy you choose above warlord it just seems to be luck. maybe it was the size of the world in earlier parts, where you could fortify your cities and put 5 tanks in each city, so they can defend on musketman.... don't know..i'm just dissapointed of such a weak sequel.
niiieee 2 years ago
It's always luck in any Civ game. You have basically a dice roll to determine whether or not the attacker wins a battle, so sometimes an archer can beat a tank or something. In Civ 4 it's even more ridiculous. I've had a tank beaten by warriors. Yes. The first military unit you get beat my tank.
I liked Civ 3 better than 4 though. I haven't actually played 1 or 2 yet.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
its also luck but I think you are just a noob, play it more and learn it
dumbnetworks 2 years ago
anybody knows anything about the ¨memory allocation failure¨ problem that this game has? Has it been solved?, is there a patch?
democraciaomuerte 2 years ago
I haven't had that problem... Might want to check the official forums and do a search for it.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
What patch did you download. I just got one call v1.74 and the game won't even start anymore. I'm trying the v1.61 one to try and troubleshoot the problem. Any thoughts?????
Good Review, I agree with the slowness of the engine and the graphics. I think I will always be a Civ 3 person though...
necer12 2 years ago
That's odd... I've got 1.74 and it works fine. You may have to do incremental patching but I dunno.
Glad you liked the review though. And yeah, Civ 3 simply gave me more fun than 4 did.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
I completely agree with your points, mostly with the graphics engine problems, great review
Sean9994 2 years ago
Glad you liked it, and yeah, they really should have fixed those problems before releasing the game.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
how do you get into space in the game and live up there in the game
grayhound911 2 years ago
BtS has a scenario you can play that is set in outer space. The normal game won't play in space though.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
There are tons of mods and scenarios you can get for Civ4. There are tons of mods for space games, mars colonization, fantasy games and historical recreations. you should see if you can find something there.
harukih 2 years ago
Yep. Tons of stuff available, but I didn't really like Civ4 until Beyond the Sword. They just improved the game so much with BtS that I can easily look past its faults. The added scenarios also add to making it a great game.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Hey ummm... i just bought the complete edition on Steam. And I have a problem. I think. Well, when i downloaded it it gave me civ IV and every expansion (BTS, Warlords, Colonization) and i had to download it with 4 different applications. so i cant use Warlords and BTS ant the same time, or Civ IV and BTS. I have to switch programs, i asked 4 help everywhere i could, so plz answer
Thanks!
LinkEdwardDrums
LinkEdwardDrums 2 years ago
That's weird. If you got it on Steam it should only have to download from Steam itself. Try re-downloading it only using Steam if you can.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
like your voice, nice review
Stuwie2x2 2 years ago 3
Glad you liked it.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
Your review seems to point out some very good features compared to many others. Well done!
TheNationalMilitary 2 years ago
Glad you liked it.
DWTerminator 2 years ago
what do you mean it isn't made for single player? because i'd hate to play it multiplayer D:
i am no expert in civ3,or let's just say i suck horribly at it,BUT for some reason i can't stop playing it,eventhough i don't get specific things,so my question is.....
is there a good tutorial this time around or maybe just a easier to understand interface (because i didn't like the wikipedia type helpscreens in civ 3)
Maveroid93 2 years ago