@TheBlanco951 If he has stated that masturbation is all right than he is contradicting himself. There are quotes from him(and I think an article) where he claims that a man who isn't in the presence of his wife while masturbating is guilty of homosexuality. Don't believe me? Do a search on Driscoll, masturbation and homosexuality.
Just for the record, I don't think that masturbation is wrong whether you are alone or with a partner.
I am not saying that a pastor of a church should rain down fearful teaching all the time. However, if addressing sin, people need to know that GOD HATES SIN! If speaking about forgiving, then people should know that genuine repentance is accompanied by GOD be just to forgive! Preaching every topic with the grace and love of GOD is what causes lukewarm behavior in my humble opinion. It's almost like creating a false savior and leaving out all the commands to be holy is holy.
Ya know... I've found some of this pastor's vids somewhat good at times. But I can't help but say that the Children of God are lukewarm because sermons have become about funny-feel good humorous satire instead of the heart wrenching sword of GOD being used to show the truth. Do we think that the apostles or Christ would answer questions and preach with opinion and story telling to back up their doctrine? Or would they say "AS IT IS WRITTEN" and that "Man should live by EVERY word of GOD"
Ignorance abounds. Adultery is so horrible, but the first 4 Commandments are 'done away with'? Christianity is Gnosticism. Being IN the Covenant means you OBEY the Covenant. Christians have no idea what the definition of 'sin' is. SIN = BREAKING THE COVENANT(10 Commandments, not 2 or 1, or 6, but TEN)
@jairedgros Sin is the transgression of the law as stated in James. All of Gods Commandments/Laws/Edicts are to be followed until they are fulfilled, for none are done away with. The Lord has given many laws/commandments/edicts. Far more then ten.
HELL IS REAL!!! If we have lied, stolen, hated someone, looked with lust, had sex outside of marriage, used profanity, etc., we are guilty and in danger of spending eternity in hell after this life. However, that is not God's desire for us. Christ came from heaven to take our punishment on Himself and die on a cross. Three days later He arose and now commands us to turn from sin and trust in Him. If you are not born again see my video titled “Warning: Four Types of People That Are Hellbound”.
HELL IS REAL!!! If we have lied, stolen, hated someone, looked with lust, had sex outside of marriage, used profanity, etc., we are guilty and in danger of spending eternity in hell after this life. However, that is not God's desire for us. Christ came from heaven to take our punishment on Himself and die on a cross. Three days later He arose and now commands us to turn from sin and trust in Him. If you are not born again see my video titled “Warning: Four Types of People That Are Hellbound”.
@johnusername123456 OBEDIENCE to Jesus' words. THAT is the "fruit" we look for and what God the Farmer is going to pick ( the Elect) Titus 2:11-14 is the grace God gives...unlike the "grace" the false apostate lukewarm Christian church" gives it's pew warmers. Faith that OBEYS is faith that saves. James 2:17-24
@overboardbriggs No he said go and sin no more in the context to one sinner about one certain sin, (a whore who had been sleeping with a married man) when it comes to our sin we are to repent and turn from then that does not mean we will not have faults and not sin anymore just because we believe and live for Christ. Look at Peter who denied him three times. When i say sin less i mean that is our effort because we dont have the capability to not sin.
@shuaholland45 Then Jesus is an IDIOT? He commanded sinners to stop sinning! That means we CAN S T O P sinning - DUH! "Neither do I condemn thee, go, and sin NO MORE"! "Be ye holy for I AM holy". "Be ye perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect". (Do you need more verses???)
@overboardbriggs 1 John 1:8 says, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." The Greek work that we translate as perfect does not have the same meaning as it does today. it means to be very very good at or to be an accomplished , not a novice or apprentice , a master.
Of course we sin, we will only stop sinning when we leave this worldly body.
@naaadude11 1 Jn3:8 THe greek verb tenses in 1 JN1:6-10 contains the key to correct translation and doctrine."there is no sin IN christ" Therefore, if you sin then you are no longer IN christ. Saints aren"t sinners. Stop sinning or you are no saint (holy) and will split Hell wide open. Heb 10:27-31.
@overboardbriggs woah woah woah. You cannot lose your salvation! If we could, what assurance do we have? we would wake up everyone morning and be lost on our way to hell. Once you recieve God's grace you are saved forever.
@rhinomoore109 You are deceived. OSAS is a lie from hell. There is no "assurance of salvation" until you endure to the END! "Many are called but FEW are chosen"! Read and obey Jesus. Flee your pulpit pimps who tickle your ears with smooth sayings.
Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
@GODIS3N1 Jesus was created, the first thing God created, or begot. Nothing was created until Jesus was Col 1:15; Rev 3:14; Prov 8 Jesus is the wisdom of God who created Creation
how about John 1:1 IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. (Amplified Bible)
@GODIS3N1 The greek says that "the logos (NOT christos) was toward (the)God, and God was the logos" Logos is different than christos obviously. You can't add to God's word. Take it for what it is and man's theologoes be damned!
rein Becoming a Christian and being filled with the spirit does not mean you are not a sinner it says all sin and fall short of the glory of God. yes being in the spirit helps us completely to choose sin less but we are still sinners.
If a Christian is still making a habit of sinning, they are simply operating as a "Lukewarm" one. Once they die to the flesh, they will be on fire and Never want to return to that lukewarm state! it happened to me! If you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh... It is totally worth it to operate as a Holy vessel of God!
@reinwitgsus "it happened to me!" thats kinda the point. it happened to you, you did not make it happen. To me, luke warm christians, who have no conviction, are not elect. . .
@shortysarecool22 Well, it certainly helps to understand the dilemma a "lukewarm" Christian faces. No one is ever proud of this short falling! It is a terrible flaw and adds to the hypocrisy among believers. This kind of Christian, makes God throw-up! You are right, they can never be called his "elect" in this state of spirituality.
@reinwitgsus I don't mean to be a cruel naysayer, but are you suggesting that you never sin anymore? If so, I think--if you'll pardon me for saying so, you're lying. If not, then how do you measure your sins as less than a person who "[makes] a habit" of theirs?--> James 2:10
@marcohorowitz8 uhmm! J E S U S in sinless, holy, and zealous for His House... and HE IS IN HEAVEN. SO I guess you really DO WANT TO GO TO HELL instead, huh?
Excuse me, I just heard something from their websit and need to ask a question. Does he believe he is born again and still a sinner????? Huh? Youre either a child af god or a child of the devil, right? Believing that you are righteous without (looking on your actions) makes a difference. (Just like Abraham believed befor he was circumcised.)
@jodaman82 No, you're not a "sinner" if you're born again, but be careful about what that means. It means you're not unrepentant because you've repented and you're not living in your sin. You've confessed (and continue to) your sin. That doesn't mean that you're sinless. It doesn't mean you don't have the ability to sin. You are still SINFUL. You have the Holy Spirit within you, but your body has not been resurrected and so you still will struggle against your flesh. Yes you still sin...
@jodaman82 Then you would do well to read 1 John 1: 8-10
"8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
I hereby lovingly rebuke you with Scripture. Please admit that you do sin or you call Christ a liar.
Christians judging other Christians for arbitrary garbage. Makes me want to stop believing when I see so much finger pointing removed from reality. Quit mental masturbating and hurting people for imaginary crap and do something useful in your lives, like be yourselves and do the real right thing instead of playing church and Bible theologian.
@dougmoerhoffman because thats what the mighty lord would do right? call people fools for having a different belief! because god divides us, judges and resents us if we don't follow his so called commands the good old loving lord isn't so loving eh? ur just scared into being a "good person" because gods going to send you to hell! a selfish reason to do good no? GOD I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!
@Jhita101092Singh Psalm 14:1 Amplified bible says, THE [empty-headed] fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable deeds
Thank you for posting these.. It's so very helpful to me. I have been struggling a while now.. and honestly, I feel like my eyes have been opened again.. and I'm looking at the sin in my life for and I am disgusted. I look at some comments on other videos like this.. and am truly disgusted.. because people of this world are so blinded... they can't see what is wrong.. the excuse is.. it is 2011.. so we don't live that way. God hasn't changed. He is the same. And so is His word.
@candacermc actually, God has changed. In the first testament he was a new God, a vengeful God who smited those who opposed him. It was only til he let down his only son did he allow all sins to be repented.
@articwulfee actually Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. however their are different dispensation old testament and new testament. before Christ and After Christ
@articwulfee well first of all i think you missed the point of what i was saying... and second of all. i have scriptures to back this up.. so maybe you might want to read the bible.
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
@2:45 Rev3:16-NOTICE: the LUKEWARM are INSIDE of Christ, therefore they ARE saved, YET...yet they are puked out of Christ into Hell proving OSAS is a lie! @5:05 CUssing pastor Dude says "God will forgive you for sins you commit" yet this adultery addict wont be forgiven according to Heb 10:26-23! @7:33 "Jesus will forgive you IF you actually belong ot Him" LIE! He wont according to Heb 10:26-33
MArk the Lying CUssing pastor! He changed the word of GOd to suit his false gospel BIAS @50 seconds this liar changed "I never KNEW you" to "..never had RELATIONSHIP with you"! This idiot "pastor" thinks a nonbeliever casts out demons on their "resume" of good works? LOL
@overboardbriggs have you ever thought that maybe instead of cursing him out IN PUBLIC in front of non-christians and perpetuating the stereotype that we all hate each other and don't agree on anything, how bout you try praying for him instead? Instead of being a brave and fearless man by typing your opinion on the internet. Why don't you stop sniping at someone who is actually serving the Lord and calling people to Jesus, and work on your own heart for a little bit.
@mastercheef12345 Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
@overboardbriggs "Should you read something in these site that is different than what you believe, please be patient with us and pray for us. God is not through with us yet. We are not attempting to agree with anyone but the Word of God. May God bless you with these site which is offered in love for you."
i am so thankful for true Christians who by the Spirit of God will stand for truth and boldly proclaim His word without apology in the midst of this perverse generation.
Therefore Driscoll is wrong on the fact that you cant lose your salvation. A christian can lose their salvation. We are to keep the faith and not believe false doctrine, work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling. No, im not works salvation, its a matter of believing and being obedient to our Lord and Savour. Jesus is coming soon, be on fire for Him look for Him, otherwise you will find yourselves in the great tribulation. In love..
@TheKJVberean Your simple debate is nauseating It is pure arrogance to suggest that you know what Jesus would do more than the next person – Have u met him? R u not reading the same bible? The fact is no one knows what happens because no one comes back from death to explain – it is why it is such a mystery and why there are millions of interpretations as to what happens. To think that what u believe holds any more authority than anyone else is pig headed and delusional.
@TheKJVberean but he will lose none the father has given him john 6;39, he who began a good work in us WILL bring it to completion phil 1;6 the holy spirit is a deposit GARUNTEEING our salvation eph 1;14, he will present us holy and blameless in his sight col 1;22
And since those who come out of the great tribulation in rev 7 are described as a multitude no one could count, and are washed in the blood of the lamb, they themselves are saved. the tribulation IS the christian life
Alot wrong here with what driscoll says, typical coming from a calvinist. First he says if your lukewarm then you have to ask yourself "am i really a christian?" well mark saying someone is a luke warm CHRISTIAN means they are but they are LUKEWARM, they at one point got saved but then left their first love, became lukewarm and so Jesus Christ will spue them out of His mouth into the tribulation. With that God will send them a strong dillusion so they might believe a lie.
Numbers 31:1-54 (King James Version) - I cant believe I am having to point out a verse in the bible to a Christian. I ahve only read it once - surely you have read it many times?
Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive as sex slaves. When Moses learns that they left some alive, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
I agree - would be nice if u could acknowledge my point but at the end of the day this neva happens because u don't really want to no. Ignorance is bliss and its certainly much easier goin through life comfortable in your faith instead of focusing on the bigger picture and the implicataions of a world where people make decisions on an irrational belief system. *sigh* becareful coz if the muslims r right if u believe Jesus is divine u r going to hell! I doubt it tho
As with the man who killed the doctor in the States for carrying out abortians and as with Stephen Timms in the UK for advocating the Iraq war - in both cases they believed God had spoken to them and they were carrying out his work. These howver r only minor examples of the murder and sometimes genocide which throughout history has been carried out in the name of numerous Gods. All i ask is that u forget about the implications for yourself and look at the bigger picture.
@jimmajamma2006 Jesus said people would come in my name and kill you and think that they are doing a service for God. Our commandments forbid us from murder.
@JamesRideout123 - You must live on the moon with a bubble with a blindfold and fingers in your ears. Do you not read any history or watch the news. 90's Christians round up and kill 5,000 muslims in Bosnia. World war II the whole of the nazi army was Christian. The Spanish empire - there are barely any native people living in South America after the Spanish and Portuguese plunderered their way through in the name of Jesus. The Crusades. millions of jews and muslims killed in the name of Christ
@JamesRideout123 But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” So they went back and did as Moses instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 VIRGINS . —-(Numbers 31:1-54)
@JamesRideout123 What is written in the ten commandments and what God intructs his prophets to carry out is worlds apart. You need to read, recognise and realise.
In my opinion, that guy doesn't know sin and he doesn't know God...He would choose well, even if he just knew well, either one of them...Just my two cents...
This is one of the most sickest, perverted, twisted, attack on the believers Helmet of Salvation and Armor of GOD. Wow. Washerucess, Calvinist, TULIPS and the like never know if they are ever saved even when they may think they are one of the elected they are still not sure so they "perservere" still not knowing if they are. I have a video that exposes this religous spirit and false doctrine for what it is. All those justified by faith in believing Jesus Christ KEEP UR ARMOR ON PLEASE!
@PureGraceEvangelism I don't think anyone understands what you meant there, but if you're suggesting that it is our responsibility to keep our own salvation, then you are wrong. Read John 6, Romans 8.
@inusmama hi there. You made a statement about the universe popping in out of nothing - science does not teach any such thing. Many athiests are educated in science so they would know the universe did not just come from nothing. God bless
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; WHETHER OF SIN TO DEATH, or of obedience to righteousness?
Paul is writing this to Christians, and the message is CLEAR! If you continue to sin after being washed in baptism, and crucified in Christ. If you continue to sin willfully after receiving God's Grace, YOU WILL DIE THE SECOND DEATH!
@SERVANTofYHVH Let me make it even clearer... Paul is writing to those who are NOT uner Law, but are UNDER GRACE, and he tells them plainly, that if they yeild themselves to sin, they will DIE, for the wages of sin is death! God bless!
Nice message. But I didn't understand the illustration that he gave. What did he mean by walking around like an elephant in a circus and God has a shovel and following you around????? Hope you don't mind answering God Bless.
Someone might have answered this but just in case no one has, I think he means: God isn't just a God for picking up after us when we sin (fixing the problems we make and ignore). He's not just the guy at the circus who picks up the elephants crap (for us sin). God is patient with us and puts up with a lot in His mercy but He does it because He loves us and He wants us to understand His Love, not just use Him.
2. Christians God is patient with as they sin..... Yes
3. Christians who, having been sanctified by the blood of Christ and the Spirit of Grace, later turn their backs on Christ and trample the blood under foot, despising the Spirit... (Hebrews) Those who have found the saving grace of God, but are fallen from grace... (Galatians) Those who were brothers but fell away and became sinners, needing to again be converted (James 5)
the way i look at it is that we can do nothing to earn salvation, but only God's forgivness gives us salvation. we can do nothing to earn salvation. However, that does not mean we do whatever we want, and still get saved. If you are truly truly saved, then you will not want to keep on sinning. of couse we wont be perfect, and will stumble, however, we will not want to be sinners, we will not want to be lukewarm, we will wish for Christ to come and prune us.
@carletopres. It's not as simple as you suggest I dont think - Jesus said that Christians who don't remain in him, to bear fruit, he will remove from his body - cut them off...
"I am the vine, you [Christians] are the branches: He that remains in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
If a man remains not in me, HE IS CAST FORTH as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jn 15)
@cornwallsteve it also says that if we remain in him, he will prune away the parts of our lives that hinder our bearing fruit, such as our sins, and things we put inbetween us and God. There is a difference between a whole person being cut away from God, which, is dont because of that persons choice, and, God pruning the individual branches, or persons seperataly.
@carletopres - God disciplines those he loves, and as a refiner of silver purifies their lives. But Jesus was VERY clear - if saved Christians continue in lukewarmness, he will spew them out of his mouth. He talked about us being branches in him, the vine, which clearly refers to saved Christians, or they wouldnt be in the vine. If they depart from Christ, he cuts them off the vine - ie out of his body. Driscoll doesnt think Jesus meant what he said it seems. There is a sin that leads to death.
@carletopres , Lol that's in the bible friend. Read romans. He's preaching the word of God, although there are some things I totally disagree with him on.
Jimjam - I really appreciate your honesty there! I agree with you in that for Christian morality to mean anything, it is to be seen outworked in reality on the ground where it matters. The trouble with Calvinism is that it 'esotericises' the nuts and bolts of human conscience / goodness v badness, making out that everything human is 100% evil, and some are made 100% righteous by God regardless of their personal actions - this is a recipe for moral disintegration disconnecting them from reality.
Jimjam, I wrote this to address the fundamental breakdown in Calvinist morality / spirituality. Basically, it disconnects a persons actions from outcomes. So they have a person 'making a Christian commitment' who then lives life in an immoral evil way, but they are eternally saved, whereas, the person who lives to the best of his conscious ability to be kind and loving and true, is regarded as inherently 100% completely evil. This is Christian morality in reverse leading to arrogance & hypocrisy
@cornwallsteve I agree with you to an extent - but this is what the bible says. If you confess and profess your love for Jesus and are baptised you will be saved from your sins. Certainly a golden ticket for evil people to carry out evil deeds on others but hey thats Christianity. Oh and love thy neighbour as well as long as he isnt a Jew or Mulm or Buddhit. Actually only as long as he is a fellow chiristian belonging to the same faith or at least is happy to be converted to it......
JIMJAM - The problem is, CALVINISM takes the hallowed 'COMMITMENT' out of context, claiming it's a permanent inextinguishable contract as long as you 'really really REALLY mean it' when you 'ask Jesus into your life', and then, having really really REALLY meant it, you can go do what you want with impunity - maybe a little less cream on your strawberries for being naughty, but pudding all the same. What nonsense. Christ clearly taught personal moral responsibility for one's spiritual condition.
@cornwallsteve Indeed - as long as you follow the bible as a guide book their is little issue. It is when people believe all the super natural stuff that there is a problem.People need to look at reality also like I say to my friend who is a spiritualists obsessed with higher powers and crystals etc. There is room for spirituality but one must look at reality and the way the world works. cont
@cornwallsteve For example I would want my children to be good to themselves and others because they understand that we are all brothers and sisters in this world. Not for Jesus or for fear of hell or for desire to go to heaven. There sins are not automatically absolved by giving themselves to a higher being being. My children must always reflect on their behaviour and correct themselves. I would not need a bible to teach them right and wrong. I would hope my children would be intelligent enuf.
@cornwallsteve A good example of this is with Christmas. Of course it is nice for children to believe in Santa Claus but when they reach a certain age it is important they dont go on believin as they must understand reality that Mum and Dad have to work hard to buy thes presents and it is not God who puts food on the table. Death this is difficult as my Grandad was happy to be goin to heaven - where as 4 me it is a bit scary but this is life and truth is what is most important in my opinion.
Dudes, these are some sweet words. Same like cyanite, but you take a spoon full of that and your fucked. Same here. Sweet words but deadly to us all. Jesus loves you!
Ps: don't ever ever ever question god or Jesus or anything in that old book called the bible.So No questions allowed!
@DurexDurpaneu2 Dont question anythng... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir.
@DurexDurpaneu2 A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession." Dont question anything? - if you choose to live in a bubble then so be it but dont order people to close their minds!
The Bible says true Christians can become sinners and fall back into death:
! DECEPTION ALERT !
"Brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
True Christians are sometimes thus because of poor teaching. True Christians can easily be luke warm, yet God's correcting hand will be on such in incremental severity. Also, all Christians' works will be judged at Christ's Judgment Seat. Many of us will be ashamed before Him as we suffer loss of the reward that Christ wants to give us for the faithful service we refused to give.
@mikevoter True Christians do not speak of such things as luke warm, can god judge me etc. Altho I am an atheist I am spiritual. Spirituality is something personal. I don't think it is up to a mere mortal such as Mark Driscoll to decide whos spirituality is "luke warm" and who's isnt. You must see that it is extremely patronising to listen to someone who thinks that somehow they know more than someone else regarding the big questions in life. We are all on our own journey to discovering truth.
@mikevoter Yes the speaker Mark Driscoll is patronising along with anyone else dictating how one should travel on their spiritual journey. I do find it sad that some people can not make an attempt and finding their own answers instead of drawing on relatively modern (bronze age) texts for their knowledge. cont...
@mikevoter One cannot "dictate" oneself. The point of the word is that you are dictating to another person. That to oneside, you have not replyed to my comments but instead are only able to say that I know nothing.
Christ was promised as our Savior from the begining. Indeed, He was "slain before the foundation of the world." Errrm - He was slain 2010 years ago. This may have been prophesised further back but he was not slain before the world existed.
@jimmajamma2006 It would be helpful if you would carefully read replies before firing off a reply. I said you were using the method of communication you were trying to deny others. And Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created.
He is also spoken of as already enthroned in Jerusalem (Psalm 2). When God looks at time, it is all before Him and everything He has said has either already been fulfilled or is simply waiting in the wings. Humble yourself and ask God to save you.
@mikevoter "And Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created." I understood what u meant but this was not how it was expressed.
The bible may suggest that Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created but his moral code and suposed saving of humanity certainly didnt help the 98 thousand years of humans savage deaths and short life expectancy.
The whole concept is rediculous anyway. You must be very impressionable to beileve such a silly story.
@jimmajamma2006 I'm not impressed with those so biased that they have not read the Bible enough to see anything but the evil recorded there. Evil is recorded but never endorsed. If sin were not recorded we would only have a myth since evil is real. But since the Bible is true, even the sins and errors of its heroes are shown. So where will that leave the sinner who thinks his evil deeds are hidden from God and that he can escape the judgment that the book warns of? Flee to Christ now.
@mikevoter lol you really are brainwashed. such an imagination you have. If there was a God in all his glory what makes you think that he would care whether we pray to him or flee to him as you so desperately put it. What is evil? Is a lion killing a deer evil? Is the chief of a tribe attacking crushing another tribe because they stole their cattle evil? We are all animals acting on our instincts and genetic programming.
@jimmajamma2006 Silly reasoning indeed. Even unbelievers at times restrain themselves from following their "instincts", how much more those who believe that our Creator desires a personal relationship with us so much that He allowed His beloved Son Jesus to die for our many sins? To not believe this is the sin that leads all others. If I am following my genetic programing by trusting Christ, why didn't I do that from birth? "You must be born again" . I choose Jesus way over yours.
@mikevoter The romans asked jesus - if you are the son of God then get out of this situation. He couldnt so he died on the cross. He was not able to because he doesnt have any magical powers - he was just a very charismatic human being. The ressurection and dying for our sins is people wanting to believe in something what they know not to be true. It would have been a quick end to christianity if it read and Jesus was not able to get off the cross thus proving that he was not the son of God....
@jimmajamma2006 You should read the Bible for yourself and not just parrot the errors of others. Jesus went to the cross voluntarily because He loved you. He was delivered from death many times, including Herod's murderous raid on babies to destroy Him. And it wasn't the Romans who offered the challenge, it was the Jews. All that was needed to "kill" Christianity was for the most powerful government on earth at that time, the Romans, was to produce the dead body of Jesus Christ.
@mikevoter Intead of picking up the bible thinking this is all true. Think to your self - if I lived 1,800 years ago and I was writing about events which I never saw 200 years before and was trying to explain the world we live in at the same time as providing a moral code, what would I write about. First he would have to be born - nativity story has been proven to be entirely fabricated
@mikevoter I only ask that my fellow brother and sister for one moment to step outside their religious view of the world and really look at the world for what it is. eg humans have been around for over a 100,000 years, average life expectancy maybe 20, 25? All this time most have died from invisible microbes which by the way is not explained in the bible because man did not know about them then. If this is true then God watched and waited for 98,000 years before he decided to intervene. cont...
@jimmajamma2006 At which point God decided to send his son down to earth for a brutal sacrifice to save us from our sins . I think if someone is capable of believing such a thing they are sadly truly capable of believing absolutely anything. We now know that the universe is 6,000,000,000 years old not 6000 as the bible suggests. If man had decided that the bible provided all the answers we would not have this knowledge today.
@jimmajamma2006 The human race is not the same as it was in the bronze ages when to go forth and multiply was essential to the human race. Nowadays this is the last thing that the human race needs as we have limited resources. So any barrier to people using contraception and abortion can only be a damaging force for our continuation as the spread of disease and unwanted starving babies continues in the name of Jesus. cont..
@mikevoter This is why I say that spirituality is a personal thing not to be discussed like the dos and donts of a sport. There is so much that we need to learn for our survival which the bible can never explain. So while we continue to indoctrinate our children with such primitive beliefs we continue to walk through life with blinkers on either side of our eyes without questioning and learning what is necessary for our survival. I think this is a really important topic for all of us to discuss
@mikevoter If you are a Christian who reads the bible, it is your interpretation that should matter. People should stop taking things so seriously as unfortunately the more one group says that they follow the only true interpretation, the more this divides us as human beings and ultimately it then becomes much harder to truly love thy neighbour as we resent those who dont follow the same belief system. If you are worried that what you are doing is not right then correct yourself for you.
@jimmajamma2006; You certainly have a convoluted way of thinking! My interpretation should matter to me but I shouldn't take it seriously? Are you a board self-appointed censor or what? Humans are already divided; some have faith in Christ and some do not. Those who trust Christ to take their sins away through His death are saved forever. The rest are lost forever. We have orders from Christ to preach His Gospel to all and to teach His Word. So we will have to ignore your efforts to silence us.
@jimmajamma2006 I'm gonna have to stick up for supermanvir here. He/she is commenting on the video in the comments section and is on topic. Just because he/she didn't join in on your christianity = brainwahsing discussion doesn't give you the right to act like you're the adminstrator to this "forum"
@InusMama Dont know who supermanvir is? Havnt conversed with this person I dont believe. However there is some interesting debate here. But every few comments there is some nonsensical passage from the bible trying to tell other Christians what sin is etc. Surely this is common knowledge. It is however sad that people dont appear to have their own minds and feel it necessary to quote passages from the bible unrelated to any conversation on here. What do they hope to achieve?
@jimmajamma2006 you made the comment to supermanvir about a month ago. and he/she didn't quote the bible or mention sin, but since you can't remember its sort of irrelevant now.
@InusMama There are currently many wars which r being fought for the dominance of one particluar religion eg Israel / Palestine but there has never been an atheist war in history. This would be silly - u cant have a war for your non belief in a creator but many people certainly do die and kill every day for there belief in their one "true" God and have done through out history. This is important to understand.
@jimmajamma2006 ...I'm not sure why you want me to understand this or what you're implying exactly, but people have killed and died for their belief in a number of things through out history. religion or no religion people will still come up with an excuse to do horrible things. i think its great that your watching videos such as these and discussing them. you may not think so but I think you're looking for something, so keep searching. =)
@InusMama With certain people who have not been totally brainwashed there is still a chance to see sense through reason. I just think it could be a lot more healthy for the human race to view the world for what it is. Nobody knows whats happens in the afterlife so we must be good to our fellow brother of man but not coz jesus or God wishes it or because one believes he might go to hell but because we genuinely want to help others for their well being. It is sad that still so many r brainwashed
@InusMama You say that but in almost all war religion has some motivating factor. It is such an easy way to justify war. 1) You have god on your side and the enemy you have been told doesnt. 2) The afterlife is portrayed as a better place that the one on earth. 3) You have a holy place which God says is exclusively for you. You are willing to kill or die for your belief if necessary. 4) you have a limited understanding of the world due to your faith in a holy book. A real justification.
@jimmajamma2006 that may be but religion is still just a justification for human atrocities, not the reason. Without it another justification would be found. Religion did not turn people into killing machines, it just gave them an excuse and I for one find it interesting that people need an excuse. It says something about humans doesn't it.
@InusMama It says something about Humans single mindedly following one path for truth instead of accepting that we just dont have the answers but we are all human beings so should just appreciate what we have - whether its facism, communism or religion - by labling our children without giving them the chance to look at all the possibilities first, we are continuing to divide ourselves and giving us a reason not so much an excuse to kill our fellow brother of man who is not following our "truth"
@InusMama Anyway what u say is simply not true - it is not a question of looking for a way to kill others. If the palestinians and Israelis did not follow different religions and didnt have the same holy place and both believed that they are 100% following the only true path, they would not be at war with each other. What u r saying is just a cop out from admitting to yourself that on a world scale religion is not a force for good and is actually damaging for our survival as a human race.
@jimmajamma2006 well I guess we just have different views on the nature of human beings. by the way the israeli-palestinian war is a bit more complicated than that, land also has very much to do with it.I don't think you should throw out all the good that has been done in the name of religion though. nothing ever really is cut and dry, including religion.
@InusMama Land is an issue also but only because it is occupied by essentially similar people following abrahmic beliefs but choose to seperate themselves by faith and believe they are the only true followers. They both believe they have the divine right to this land because it is written in teh scriptures.
@jimmajamma2006 2) The preaching in Africa that condoms give u aids. Look it up this is true. There are signs all over Africa with this message from Christians.
3) Continual persecution of homosexuals - thats 10% of the world. With women as well that is 60%.
4) A huge motive in for most wars thoughout history.
5) Systematic rape of children by priests following an an unnatural order of chastity.
@jimmajamma2006 ME having to sit through hours and hours of Chapel every morning listening to dreary monologues from warped Christian teachers insisting that non believers will burn in hell. How many children have lived their lives in fear of roasting in hell. This in itself is a form of child abuse.
@InusMama U say that a lot of good is done - Charity. That is it. Atheists also give to charity. Atheists also go to Africa to help.
1) Persecution of women throughout history - eg
"Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."
Rape my daughter instead but dont do anything to my guest who is a man..
@jimmajamma2006 Right, and atheists have never done anything bad. The point is religion or no religion people do bad and good things in the name of anything. And if you're gonna harp on religion do please remember the other ones and all their ugly history.
@InusMama Again really? People dont just find any old reason to go to war. Either they have an ideology they r trying to impose on people or it is for resources or land or Religion. Religion almost always has a part to play. Why do u think we are so worried about Iran and Iraq having nuclear capabilities? Because they r run by religious dictators who follow ancient scriptures which actually instructs them to go forth a multiply and try to conquer the world. As with the Christian religion.
@jimmajamma2006 cont... then entering it, and someone like you coming along and suggesting the only thing that matters is that we be 'good people'. This is the warped view here - of course God created you and me to have friendly fellowship with us. God talks in the Bible about people being his 'friends'. IF you had kids, and they refused to speak to you, but only acted as 'good children' your relationship with them would be slightly warped! Try interacting with God in prayer - see what happens..
the one thing that bothers me the most about of his sermons is where he talks about masterbation. he says its ok. but i feel like it is not.
TheBlanco951 2 weeks ago
@TheBlanco951 If he has stated that masturbation is all right than he is contradicting himself. There are quotes from him(and I think an article) where he claims that a man who isn't in the presence of his wife while masturbating is guilty of homosexuality. Don't believe me? Do a search on Driscoll, masturbation and homosexuality.
Just for the record, I don't think that masturbation is wrong whether you are alone or with a partner.
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thelarsychannel 1 month ago 6
I am not saying that a pastor of a church should rain down fearful teaching all the time. However, if addressing sin, people need to know that GOD HATES SIN! If speaking about forgiving, then people should know that genuine repentance is accompanied by GOD be just to forgive! Preaching every topic with the grace and love of GOD is what causes lukewarm behavior in my humble opinion. It's almost like creating a false savior and leaving out all the commands to be holy is holy.
TadFortitude 2 months ago 3
Ya know... I've found some of this pastor's vids somewhat good at times. But I can't help but say that the Children of God are lukewarm because sermons have become about funny-feel good humorous satire instead of the heart wrenching sword of GOD being used to show the truth. Do we think that the apostles or Christ would answer questions and preach with opinion and story telling to back up their doctrine? Or would they say "AS IT IS WRITTEN" and that "Man should live by EVERY word of GOD"
TadFortitude 2 months ago
Ignorance abounds. Adultery is so horrible, but the first 4 Commandments are 'done away with'? Christianity is Gnosticism. Being IN the Covenant means you OBEY the Covenant. Christians have no idea what the definition of 'sin' is. SIN = BREAKING THE COVENANT(10 Commandments, not 2 or 1, or 6, but TEN)
jairedgros 3 months ago
@jairedgros Sin is the transgression of the law as stated in James. All of Gods Commandments/Laws/Edicts are to be followed until they are fulfilled, for none are done away with. The Lord has given many laws/commandments/edicts. Far more then ten.
YaHuWaHservant 2 months ago
Here is a little secret: CHRISTIAN = LUKEWARM
Lukewarm is the DEFINITION of being a 'Christian'.
jairedgros 3 months ago
@jairedgros Do you mind me asking what your faith is?
followgood 3 weeks ago
Thank God for the Bible lol.
TheThawek 3 months ago
If God didnt exist, y do so many athiests come to argue on here or bother us?
SwAnkTwO 4 months ago
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HELL IS REAL!!! If we have lied, stolen, hated someone, looked with lust, had sex outside of marriage, used profanity, etc., we are guilty and in danger of spending eternity in hell after this life. However, that is not God's desire for us. Christ came from heaven to take our punishment on Himself and die on a cross. Three days later He arose and now commands us to turn from sin and trust in Him. If you are not born again see my video titled “Warning: Four Types of People That Are Hellbound”.
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youneekk 6 months ago
so how does one know if you are a christian or not? or if one has saving grace or not? how much should one flog oneself to prove his/her devotion?
johnusername123456 6 months ago
@johnusername123456 obedience to all that Jesus commanded you. Jn14:21-24; 15:10; 1 Jn 5:3
overboardbriggs 6 months ago
@johnusername123456 OBEDIENCE to Jesus' words. THAT is the "fruit" we look for and what God the Farmer is going to pick ( the Elect) Titus 2:11-14 is the grace God gives...unlike the "grace" the false apostate lukewarm Christian church" gives it's pew warmers. Faith that OBEYS is faith that saves. James 2:17-24
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
@overboardbriggs No he said go and sin no more in the context to one sinner about one certain sin, (a whore who had been sleeping with a married man) when it comes to our sin we are to repent and turn from then that does not mean we will not have faults and not sin anymore just because we believe and live for Christ. Look at Peter who denied him three times. When i say sin less i mean that is our effort because we dont have the capability to not sin.
shuaholland45 6 months ago
@shuaholland45 Then Jesus is an IDIOT? He commanded sinners to stop sinning! That means we CAN S T O P sinning - DUH! "Neither do I condemn thee, go, and sin NO MORE"! "Be ye holy for I AM holy". "Be ye perfect even as your heavenly Father is perfect". (Do you need more verses???)
overboardbriggs 6 months ago
@overboardbriggs 1 John 1:8 says, "If we claim to be without sin, we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us." The Greek work that we translate as perfect does not have the same meaning as it does today. it means to be very very good at or to be an accomplished , not a novice or apprentice , a master.
Of course we sin, we will only stop sinning when we leave this worldly body.
naaadude11 5 months ago
@naaadude11 1 Jn3:8 THe greek verb tenses in 1 JN1:6-10 contains the key to correct translation and doctrine."there is no sin IN christ" Therefore, if you sin then you are no longer IN christ. Saints aren"t sinners. Stop sinning or you are no saint (holy) and will split Hell wide open. Heb 10:27-31.
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
@overboardbriggs woah woah woah. You cannot lose your salvation! If we could, what assurance do we have? we would wake up everyone morning and be lost on our way to hell. Once you recieve God's grace you are saved forever.
rhinomoore109 5 months ago
@rhinomoore109 You are deceived. OSAS is a lie from hell. There is no "assurance of salvation" until you endure to the END! "Many are called but FEW are chosen"! Read and obey Jesus. Flee your pulpit pimps who tickle your ears with smooth sayings.
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
@rhinomoore109 So then you can sin and still go to heaven after recieving salvation
jperalta711 4 months ago
@shuaholland45 Jesus is an idiot and doesn't know we aren't capable of not sinning. REALLY?
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
cant you guys troll rebecca black and not mark discroll/ Christianity
jalampia33 6 months ago
@jalampia33 MArk Driscoll is the troll
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
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Christianity: The belief that a cosmic Jewish zombie can make you live forever if you symbolically eat his flesh and telepathically tell him that you accept him as your master so he can remove an evil force from your soul that is present in humanity because a rib-woman was convinced by a talking snake to eat from a magical tree.
It makes perfect sense.
StrumstickJoe 7 months ago
@djsaintlewis
there is no before Jesus when God made everything in Genesis 1 Jesus was there with Him
GODIS3N1 7 months ago
@GODIS3N1 Jesus was created, the first thing God created, or begot. Nothing was created until Jesus was Col 1:15; Rev 3:14; Prov 8 Jesus is the wisdom of God who created Creation
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
@overboardbriggs
how about John 1:1 IN THE beginning [before all time] was the Word (Christ), and the Word was with God, and the Word was God Himself. (Amplified Bible)
GODIS3N1 5 months ago
@GODIS3N1 The greek says that "the logos (NOT christos) was toward (the)God, and God was the logos" Logos is different than christos obviously. You can't add to God's word. Take it for what it is and man's theologoes be damned!
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
I was in need of this really.
MrUrosSrb 8 months ago
rein Becoming a Christian and being filled with the spirit does not mean you are not a sinner it says all sin and fall short of the glory of God. yes being in the spirit helps us completely to choose sin less but we are still sinners.
shuaholland45 8 months ago
@shuaholland45 "Neither do I condemn you. GO and sin a little LESS?"!
overboardbriggs 6 months ago
If a Christian is still making a habit of sinning, they are simply operating as a "Lukewarm" one. Once they die to the flesh, they will be on fire and Never want to return to that lukewarm state! it happened to me! If you walk in the Spirit, you will not fulfill the desires of the flesh... It is totally worth it to operate as a Holy vessel of God!
reinwitgsus 8 months ago 13
@reinwitgsus "it happened to me!" thats kinda the point. it happened to you, you did not make it happen. To me, luke warm christians, who have no conviction, are not elect. . .
shortysarecool22 6 months ago
@shortysarecool22 Well, it certainly helps to understand the dilemma a "lukewarm" Christian faces. No one is ever proud of this short falling! It is a terrible flaw and adds to the hypocrisy among believers. This kind of Christian, makes God throw-up! You are right, they can never be called his "elect" in this state of spirituality.
reinwitgsus 6 months ago
@reinwitgsus I don't mean to be a cruel naysayer, but are you suggesting that you never sin anymore? If so, I think--if you'll pardon me for saying so, you're lying. If not, then how do you measure your sins as less than a person who "[makes] a habit" of theirs?--> James 2:10
Apmhflick 2 weeks ago
romans chapter 6 verse what ???
mikhailSRT4 8 months ago
if this guy is going to heaven then I'd rather end up in hell!
marcohorowitz8 8 months ago
@marcohorowitz8 uhmm! J E S U S in sinless, holy, and zealous for His House... and HE IS IN HEAVEN. SO I guess you really DO WANT TO GO TO HELL instead, huh?
overboardbriggs 5 months ago
Excuse me, I just heard something from their websit and need to ask a question. Does he believe he is born again and still a sinner????? Huh? Youre either a child af god or a child of the devil, right? Believing that you are righteous without (looking on your actions) makes a difference. (Just like Abraham believed befor he was circumcised.)
jodaman82 9 months ago
@jodaman82 No, you're not a "sinner" if you're born again, but be careful about what that means. It means you're not unrepentant because you've repented and you're not living in your sin. You've confessed (and continue to) your sin. That doesn't mean that you're sinless. It doesn't mean you don't have the ability to sin. You are still SINFUL. You have the Holy Spirit within you, but your body has not been resurrected and so you still will struggle against your flesh. Yes you still sin...
dougmoerhoffman 8 months ago
@dougmoerhoffman "Yes you still sin..." - No I don´t. Because I have a new life.
jodaman82 8 months ago
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@jodaman82 Then you would do well to read 1 John 1: 8-10
"8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us."
I hereby lovingly rebuke you with Scripture. Please admit that you do sin or you call Christ a liar.
dougmoerhoffman 8 months ago
Christians judging other Christians for arbitrary garbage. Makes me want to stop believing when I see so much finger pointing removed from reality. Quit mental masturbating and hurting people for imaginary crap and do something useful in your lives, like be yourselves and do the real right thing instead of playing church and Bible theologian.
aixelsydyslexia 9 months ago
@aixelsydyslexia and pretending you are somehow better than 'the world' and other people just because it sounds like you kiss ass to the Bible.
aixelsydyslexia 9 months ago
haha fuckers are debating about "lukewarm christians" what if i told u there is no god?
Jhita101092Singh 9 months ago
@Jhita101092Singh then i guess your a fool like the bible says...find christ now this world is goin to fade away.
reezon3 9 months ago
@Jhita101092Singh Then we'd do one of 4 things.
1. Laugh at you for being so silly that you've blinded yourself to the Truth.
2. Feel sad for you and pray that you change your mind.
3. Ignore you. Most people have been doing this for the last 4 weeks, it seems.
4. Engage you, in an effort to help bring you to the light.
Romans 1:18-23 makes it clear that you have no excuse to deny God. The evidence is all around you and it takes active denial to refuse to believe it.
dougmoerhoffman 8 months ago
@dougmoerhoffman because thats what the mighty lord would do right? call people fools for having a different belief! because god divides us, judges and resents us if we don't follow his so called commands the good old loving lord isn't so loving eh? ur just scared into being a "good person" because gods going to send you to hell! a selfish reason to do good no? GOD I FEEL SORRY FOR YOU!
Jhita101092Singh 8 months ago
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@Jhita101092Singh Psalm 14:1 Amplified bible says, THE [empty-headed] fool has said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable deeds
GODIS3N1 5 months ago
Thank you for posting these.. It's so very helpful to me. I have been struggling a while now.. and honestly, I feel like my eyes have been opened again.. and I'm looking at the sin in my life for and I am disgusted. I look at some comments on other videos like this.. and am truly disgusted.. because people of this world are so blinded... they can't see what is wrong.. the excuse is.. it is 2011.. so we don't live that way. God hasn't changed. He is the same. And so is His word.
candacermc 10 months ago
@candacermc actually, God has changed. In the first testament he was a new God, a vengeful God who smited those who opposed him. It was only til he let down his only son did he allow all sins to be repented.
You might want to read the bible. <3
articwulfee 8 months ago
@articwulfee actually Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever. however their are different dispensation old testament and new testament. before Christ and After Christ
djsaintlewis70 8 months ago
@articwulfee well first of all i think you missed the point of what i was saying... and second of all. i have scriptures to back this up.. so maybe you might want to read the bible.
Malachi 3:6 "For I am the LORD, I do not change; Therefore you are not consumed, O sons of Jacob.
Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
candacermc 8 months ago
Love it.
spiritfired 10 months ago
Wow, more debating, what a shocker. You people are acting like the world.
danelee34 10 months ago 21
@danelee34 Mark atleast brings up hard things that most churches do not. Your one video is kind of worldly.
tubefilmvideo 9 months ago
@tubefilmvideo My one video was before I was born again, but whatever. I stand by my original comment.
danelee34 9 months ago
@danelee34 Seriously, your new in the Lord I did not know. I sincerly, apologize .
tubefilmvideo 9 months ago
@2:45 Rev3:16-NOTICE: the LUKEWARM are INSIDE of Christ, therefore they ARE saved, YET...yet they are puked out of Christ into Hell proving OSAS is a lie! @5:05 CUssing pastor Dude says "God will forgive you for sins you commit" yet this adultery addict wont be forgiven according to Heb 10:26-23! @7:33 "Jesus will forgive you IF you actually belong ot Him" LIE! He wont according to Heb 10:26-33
overboardbriggs 10 months ago
MArk the Lying CUssing pastor! He changed the word of GOd to suit his false gospel BIAS @50 seconds this liar changed "I never KNEW you" to "..never had RELATIONSHIP with you"! This idiot "pastor" thinks a nonbeliever casts out demons on their "resume" of good works? LOL
overboardbriggs 10 months ago
@overboardbriggs have you ever thought that maybe instead of cursing him out IN PUBLIC in front of non-christians and perpetuating the stereotype that we all hate each other and don't agree on anything, how bout you try praying for him instead? Instead of being a brave and fearless man by typing your opinion on the internet. Why don't you stop sniping at someone who is actually serving the Lord and calling people to Jesus, and work on your own heart for a little bit.
mastercheef12345 6 months ago
@mastercheef12345 EPHESIANS 5:11
overboardbriggs 6 months ago
@overboardbriggs Galatians 5:12
mastercheef12345 6 months ago
@mastercheef12345 Leviticus 19:17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him.
overboardbriggs 6 months ago
@overboardbriggs "Should you read something in these site that is different than what you believe, please be patient with us and pray for us. God is not through with us yet. We are not attempting to agree with anyone but the Word of God. May God bless you with these site which is offered in love for you."
sound familiar?
mastercheef12345 6 months ago
i am so thankful for true Christians who by the Spirit of God will stand for truth and boldly proclaim His word without apology in the midst of this perverse generation.
Death2TheFlesh 11 months ago
@Death2TheFlesh Ty.
JamesRideout123 10 months ago
Therefore Driscoll is wrong on the fact that you cant lose your salvation. A christian can lose their salvation. We are to keep the faith and not believe false doctrine, work out our OWN salvation with fear and trembling. No, im not works salvation, its a matter of believing and being obedient to our Lord and Savour. Jesus is coming soon, be on fire for Him look for Him, otherwise you will find yourselves in the great tribulation. In love..
TheKJVberean 11 months ago
@TheKJVberean Your simple debate is nauseating It is pure arrogance to suggest that you know what Jesus would do more than the next person – Have u met him? R u not reading the same bible? The fact is no one knows what happens because no one comes back from death to explain – it is why it is such a mystery and why there are millions of interpretations as to what happens. To think that what u believe holds any more authority than anyone else is pig headed and delusional.
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
@TheKJVberean but he will lose none the father has given him john 6;39, he who began a good work in us WILL bring it to completion phil 1;6 the holy spirit is a deposit GARUNTEEING our salvation eph 1;14, he will present us holy and blameless in his sight col 1;22
And since those who come out of the great tribulation in rev 7 are described as a multitude no one could count, and are washed in the blood of the lamb, they themselves are saved. the tribulation IS the christian life
djr3000 10 months ago 2
Alot wrong here with what driscoll says, typical coming from a calvinist. First he says if your lukewarm then you have to ask yourself "am i really a christian?" well mark saying someone is a luke warm CHRISTIAN means they are but they are LUKEWARM, they at one point got saved but then left their first love, became lukewarm and so Jesus Christ will spue them out of His mouth into the tribulation. With that God will send them a strong dillusion so they might believe a lie.
TheKJVberean 11 months ago
@TheKJVberean "typical coming from a calvinist." LOL u should hear yourself...
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
Lol @ everyone going 'ewww' at Hitler.
H0tkebab 11 months ago
What was he talking about when he mentioned 15 forms of grace?
JBfromTENNESSEE 11 months ago
@JBfromTENNESSEE He has sermon on grace from the religion saves series that explains all of that.
atriuo 11 months ago
Numbers 31:1-54 (King James Version) - I cant believe I am having to point out a verse in the bible to a Christian. I ahve only read it once - surely you have read it many times?
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
Under God’s direction, Moses’ army defeats the Midianites. They kill all the adult males, but take the women and children captive as sex slaves. When Moses learns that they left some alive, he angrily says: “Have you saved all the women alive? Kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
I agree - would be nice if u could acknowledge my point but at the end of the day this neva happens because u don't really want to no. Ignorance is bliss and its certainly much easier goin through life comfortable in your faith instead of focusing on the bigger picture and the implicataions of a world where people make decisions on an irrational belief system. *sigh* becareful coz if the muslims r right if u believe Jesus is divine u r going to hell! I doubt it tho
jimmajamma2006 1 day ago
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
As with the man who killed the doctor in the States for carrying out abortians and as with Stephen Timms in the UK for advocating the Iraq war - in both cases they believed God had spoken to them and they were carrying out his work. These howver r only minor examples of the murder and sometimes genocide which throughout history has been carried out in the name of numerous Gods. All i ask is that u forget about the implications for yourself and look at the bigger picture.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 Jesus said people would come in my name and kill you and think that they are doing a service for God. Our commandments forbid us from murder.
JamesRideout123 11 months ago
@JamesRideout123 - You must live on the moon with a bubble with a blindfold and fingers in your ears. Do you not read any history or watch the news. 90's Christians round up and kill 5,000 muslims in Bosnia. World war II the whole of the nazi army was Christian. The Spanish empire - there are barely any native people living in South America after the Spanish and Portuguese plunderered their way through in the name of Jesus. The Crusades. millions of jews and muslims killed in the name of Christ
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
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@JamesRideout123 But all the female children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.” So they went back and did as Moses instructed, killing everyone except for the virgins. In this way they got 32,000 VIRGINS . —-(Numbers 31:1-54)
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
@jimmajamma2006 What Bible verse is that?
JamesRideout123 11 months ago
@JamesRideout123 What is written in the ten commandments and what God intructs his prophets to carry out is worlds apart. You need to read, recognise and realise.
jimmajamma2006 11 months ago
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Mcorp30 1 year ago
RELIGIOUS FASCISM!
beamla 1 year ago
In my opinion, that guy doesn't know sin and he doesn't know God...He would choose well, even if he just knew well, either one of them...Just my two cents...
acpgiga 1 year ago
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This is one of the most sickest, perverted, twisted, attack on the believers Helmet of Salvation and Armor of GOD. Wow. Washerucess, Calvinist, TULIPS and the like never know if they are ever saved even when they may think they are one of the elected they are still not sure so they "perservere" still not knowing if they are. I have a video that exposes this religous spirit and false doctrine for what it is. All those justified by faith in believing Jesus Christ KEEP UR ARMOR ON PLEASE!
PureGraceEvangelism 1 year ago
@PureGraceEvangelism I don't think anyone understands what you meant there, but if you're suggesting that it is our responsibility to keep our own salvation, then you are wrong. Read John 6, Romans 8.
habsfan170 1 year ago
Look up Keith Green "Devotion or Devotions". Explains this stuff pretty well - very challenging
Tbird65 1 year ago
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WANKER. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING TALKING SHIT YOU SILLY YANKEE WANKER
RubenMackdaddy 1 year ago
Christians are obsessed with sex! why is that?
marcohorowitz8 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 WHUT
miriamjoyce13 1 year ago
@marcohorowitz8 aren't you
MrLinolinares 1 year ago
Flame flame flame flame flame!
perfectpolyphony 1 year ago
@inusmama hi there. You made a statement about the universe popping in out of nothing - science does not teach any such thing. Many athiests are educated in science so they would know the universe did not just come from nothing. God bless
bagospannerz 1 year ago
What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid. Know you not, that to whom you yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants you are to whom you obey; WHETHER OF SIN TO DEATH, or of obedience to righteousness?
Paul is writing this to Christians, and the message is CLEAR! If you continue to sin after being washed in baptism, and crucified in Christ. If you continue to sin willfully after receiving God's Grace, YOU WILL DIE THE SECOND DEATH!
SERVANTofYHVH 1 year ago
@SERVANTofYHVH Let me make it even clearer... Paul is writing to those who are NOT uner Law, but are UNDER GRACE, and he tells them plainly, that if they yeild themselves to sin, they will DIE, for the wages of sin is death! God bless!
SERVANTofYHVH 1 year ago
Nice message. But I didn't understand the illustration that he gave. What did he mean by walking around like an elephant in a circus and God has a shovel and following you around????? Hope you don't mind answering God Bless.
SteveTKO 1 year ago
@SteveTKO
Someone might have answered this but just in case no one has, I think he means: God isn't just a God for picking up after us when we sin (fixing the problems we make and ignore). He's not just the guy at the circus who picks up the elephants crap (for us sin). God is patient with us and puts up with a lot in His mercy but He does it because He loves us and He wants us to understand His Love, not just use Him.
KoyengasVideos 1 year ago
@KoyengasVideos Oh I see. That makes it a lot of since now. Thanks a lot.
SteveTKO 1 year ago
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DreamsofMajesty 1 year ago
Mark - you missed out category no. 3.
1. Fake Christians, Yes
2. Christians God is patient with as they sin..... Yes
3. Christians who, having been sanctified by the blood of Christ and the Spirit of Grace, later turn their backs on Christ and trample the blood under foot, despising the Spirit... (Hebrews) Those who have found the saving grace of God, but are fallen from grace... (Galatians) Those who were brothers but fell away and became sinners, needing to again be converted (James 5)
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
I love what he is saying.
the way i look at it is that we can do nothing to earn salvation, but only God's forgivness gives us salvation. we can do nothing to earn salvation. However, that does not mean we do whatever we want, and still get saved. If you are truly truly saved, then you will not want to keep on sinning. of couse we wont be perfect, and will stumble, however, we will not want to be sinners, we will not want to be lukewarm, we will wish for Christ to come and prune us.
carletopres 1 year ago
@carletopres. It's not as simple as you suggest I dont think - Jesus said that Christians who don't remain in him, to bear fruit, he will remove from his body - cut them off...
"I am the vine, you [Christians] are the branches: He that remains in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.
If a man remains not in me, HE IS CAST FORTH as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned." (Jn 15)
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve it also says that if we remain in him, he will prune away the parts of our lives that hinder our bearing fruit, such as our sins, and things we put inbetween us and God. There is a difference between a whole person being cut away from God, which, is dont because of that persons choice, and, God pruning the individual branches, or persons seperataly.
carletopres 1 year ago
@carletopres - God disciplines those he loves, and as a refiner of silver purifies their lives. But Jesus was VERY clear - if saved Christians continue in lukewarmness, he will spew them out of his mouth. He talked about us being branches in him, the vine, which clearly refers to saved Christians, or they wouldnt be in the vine. If they depart from Christ, he cuts them off the vine - ie out of his body. Driscoll doesnt think Jesus meant what he said it seems. There is a sin that leads to death.
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@carletopres , Lol that's in the bible friend. Read romans. He's preaching the word of God, although there are some things I totally disagree with him on.
T2Todd2 1 year ago
Jimjam - I really appreciate your honesty there! I agree with you in that for Christian morality to mean anything, it is to be seen outworked in reality on the ground where it matters. The trouble with Calvinism is that it 'esotericises' the nuts and bolts of human conscience / goodness v badness, making out that everything human is 100% evil, and some are made 100% righteous by God regardless of their personal actions - this is a recipe for moral disintegration disconnecting them from reality.
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
Jimjam, I wrote this to address the fundamental breakdown in Calvinist morality / spirituality. Basically, it disconnects a persons actions from outcomes. So they have a person 'making a Christian commitment' who then lives life in an immoral evil way, but they are eternally saved, whereas, the person who lives to the best of his conscious ability to be kind and loving and true, is regarded as inherently 100% completely evil. This is Christian morality in reverse leading to arrogance & hypocrisy
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve I agree with you to an extent - but this is what the bible says. If you confess and profess your love for Jesus and are baptised you will be saved from your sins. Certainly a golden ticket for evil people to carry out evil deeds on others but hey thats Christianity. Oh and love thy neighbour as well as long as he isnt a Jew or Mulm or Buddhit. Actually only as long as he is a fellow chiristian belonging to the same faith or at least is happy to be converted to it......
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
JIMJAM - The problem is, CALVINISM takes the hallowed 'COMMITMENT' out of context, claiming it's a permanent inextinguishable contract as long as you 'really really REALLY mean it' when you 'ask Jesus into your life', and then, having really really REALLY meant it, you can go do what you want with impunity - maybe a little less cream on your strawberries for being naughty, but pudding all the same. What nonsense. Christ clearly taught personal moral responsibility for one's spiritual condition.
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve Indeed - as long as you follow the bible as a guide book their is little issue. It is when people believe all the super natural stuff that there is a problem.People need to look at reality also like I say to my friend who is a spiritualists obsessed with higher powers and crystals etc. There is room for spirituality but one must look at reality and the way the world works. cont
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve For example I would want my children to be good to themselves and others because they understand that we are all brothers and sisters in this world. Not for Jesus or for fear of hell or for desire to go to heaven. There sins are not automatically absolved by giving themselves to a higher being being. My children must always reflect on their behaviour and correct themselves. I would not need a bible to teach them right and wrong. I would hope my children would be intelligent enuf.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve A good example of this is with Christmas. Of course it is nice for children to believe in Santa Claus but when they reach a certain age it is important they dont go on believin as they must understand reality that Mum and Dad have to work hard to buy thes presents and it is not God who puts food on the table. Death this is difficult as my Grandad was happy to be goin to heaven - where as 4 me it is a bit scary but this is life and truth is what is most important in my opinion.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 you forgot repentance, very important.
rkhechen 1 year ago
Dudes, these are some sweet words. Same like cyanite, but you take a spoon full of that and your fucked. Same here. Sweet words but deadly to us all. Jesus loves you!
Ps: don't ever ever ever question god or Jesus or anything in that old book called the bible.So No questions allowed!
DurexDurpaneu2 1 year ago
@DurexDurpaneu2 Dont question anythng... A husband could divorce his wife; women on the other hand could not ask for divorce... the wife called her husband Ba'al or master; she also called him adon or lord; she addressed him, in fact, as a slave addressed his master or subject, his king. The Decalogue includes a man's wife among his possessions... all her life she remains a minor. The wife does not inherit from her husband, nor daughters from their father, except when there is no male heir.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@DurexDurpaneu2 A vow made by a girl or married woman needs, to be valid, the consent of the father or husband and if this consent is withheld, the vow is null and void. A man had a right to sell his daughter. Women were excluded from the succession." Dont question anything? - if you choose to live in a bubble then so be it but dont order people to close their minds!
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
this dude is super deep,, and i like his views in christianity..
hueyfreeman07 1 year ago
! WARNING !
The Bible says true Christians can become sinners and fall back into death:
! DECEPTION ALERT !
"Brothers, if anyone among you wanders from the truth, and someone turns him back, let him know that he who turns a sinner from the error of his way will save a soul from death and cover a multitude of sins."
(James 5:19)
! CAUTION !
"Consider the goodness and severity of God... toward you goodness, IF YOU CONTINUE in his goodness. Otherwise YOU ALSO WILL BE CUT OFF" !
(Romans 11:22)
cornwallsteve 1 year ago
@cornwallsteve why would you inform fellow christians of what I would have thought is totally obvious to them. They are Christian too. LOL
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
Luke warm Christians are going to be left behind when the Lord comes.
MRSCHUTZE1 1 year ago
True Christians are sometimes thus because of poor teaching. True Christians can easily be luke warm, yet God's correcting hand will be on such in incremental severity. Also, all Christians' works will be judged at Christ's Judgment Seat. Many of us will be ashamed before Him as we suffer loss of the reward that Christ wants to give us for the faithful service we refused to give.
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter True Christians do not speak of such things as luke warm, can god judge me etc. Altho I am an atheist I am spiritual. Spirituality is something personal. I don't think it is up to a mere mortal such as Mark Driscoll to decide whos spirituality is "luke warm" and who's isnt. You must see that it is extremely patronising to listen to someone who thinks that somehow they know more than someone else regarding the big questions in life. We are all on our own journey to discovering truth.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 "You must see that it is
extremely patronising to listen to someone who
thinks that somehow they know more than someone else regarding the big questions in life."
You must mean the speaker is "patronising" not the listener.
Who said you had to listen? And isn't it somewhat arrogant to
tell Christians what they should believe since you are not even
in the game? Perhaps that's a attitude worse than patronizing"?
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter Yes the speaker Mark Driscoll is patronising along with anyone else dictating how one should travel on their spiritual journey. I do find it sad that some people can not make an attempt and finding their own answers instead of drawing on relatively modern (bronze age) texts for their knowledge. cont...
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 You are "dictating" yourself based on man's
"facts" on the universe. You are operating in darkness and totally
relying on self rather than the revelation of God. You think the
sacrifice of Christ needless because you do not see the
awfulness of your sin in the sight of our Holy, loving God.
Your understanding of the Bible is nil. Christ was promised
as our Savior from the begining. Indeed, He was "slain before the
foundation of the world."
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter One cannot "dictate" oneself. The point of the word is that you are dictating to another person. That to oneside, you have not replyed to my comments but instead are only able to say that I know nothing.
Christ was promised as our Savior from the begining. Indeed, He was "slain before the foundation of the world." Errrm - He was slain 2010 years ago. This may have been prophesised further back but he was not slain before the world existed.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 It would be helpful if you would carefully read replies before firing off a reply. I said you were using the method of communication you were trying to deny others. And Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created.
He is also spoken of as already enthroned in Jerusalem (Psalm 2). When God looks at time, it is all before Him and everything He has said has either already been fulfilled or is simply waiting in the wings. Humble yourself and ask God to save you.
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter "And Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created." I understood what u meant but this was not how it was expressed.
The bible may suggest that Christ was crucified in God's mind before the world was created but his moral code and suposed saving of humanity certainly didnt help the 98 thousand years of humans savage deaths and short life expectancy.
The whole concept is rediculous anyway. You must be very impressionable to beileve such a silly story.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 I'm not impressed with those so biased that they have not read the Bible enough to see anything but the evil recorded there. Evil is recorded but never endorsed. If sin were not recorded we would only have a myth since evil is real. But since the Bible is true, even the sins and errors of its heroes are shown. So where will that leave the sinner who thinks his evil deeds are hidden from God and that he can escape the judgment that the book warns of? Flee to Christ now.
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter lol you really are brainwashed. such an imagination you have. If there was a God in all his glory what makes you think that he would care whether we pray to him or flee to him as you so desperately put it. What is evil? Is a lion killing a deer evil? Is the chief of a tribe attacking crushing another tribe because they stole their cattle evil? We are all animals acting on our instincts and genetic programming.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 Silly reasoning indeed. Even unbelievers at times restrain themselves from following their "instincts", how much more those who believe that our Creator desires a personal relationship with us so much that He allowed His beloved Son Jesus to die for our many sins? To not believe this is the sin that leads all others. If I am following my genetic programing by trusting Christ, why didn't I do that from birth? "You must be born again" . I choose Jesus way over yours.
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter The romans asked jesus - if you are the son of God then get out of this situation. He couldnt so he died on the cross. He was not able to because he doesnt have any magical powers - he was just a very charismatic human being. The ressurection and dying for our sins is people wanting to believe in something what they know not to be true. It would have been a quick end to christianity if it read and Jesus was not able to get off the cross thus proving that he was not the son of God....
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 You should read the Bible for yourself and not just parrot the errors of others. Jesus went to the cross voluntarily because He loved you. He was delivered from death many times, including Herod's murderous raid on babies to destroy Him. And it wasn't the Romans who offered the challenge, it was the Jews. All that was needed to "kill" Christianity was for the most powerful government on earth at that time, the Romans, was to produce the dead body of Jesus Christ.
mikevoter 1 year ago
@mikevoter Intead of picking up the bible thinking this is all true. Think to your self - if I lived 1,800 years ago and I was writing about events which I never saw 200 years before and was trying to explain the world we live in at the same time as providing a moral code, what would I write about. First he would have to be born - nativity story has been proven to be entirely fabricated
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@mikevoter I only ask that my fellow brother and sister for one moment to step outside their religious view of the world and really look at the world for what it is. eg humans have been around for over a 100,000 years, average life expectancy maybe 20, 25? All this time most have died from invisible microbes which by the way is not explained in the bible because man did not know about them then. If this is true then God watched and waited for 98,000 years before he decided to intervene. cont...
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 At which point God decided to send his son down to earth for a brutal sacrifice to save us from our sins . I think if someone is capable of believing such a thing they are sadly truly capable of believing absolutely anything. We now know that the universe is 6,000,000,000 years old not 6000 as the bible suggests. If man had decided that the bible provided all the answers we would not have this knowledge today.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 The human race is not the same as it was in the bronze ages when to go forth and multiply was essential to the human race. Nowadays this is the last thing that the human race needs as we have limited resources. So any barrier to people using contraception and abortion can only be a damaging force for our continuation as the spread of disease and unwanted starving babies continues in the name of Jesus. cont..
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@mikevoter This is why I say that spirituality is a personal thing not to be discussed like the dos and donts of a sport. There is so much that we need to learn for our survival which the bible can never explain. So while we continue to indoctrinate our children with such primitive beliefs we continue to walk through life with blinkers on either side of our eyes without questioning and learning what is necessary for our survival. I think this is a really important topic for all of us to discuss
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@mikevoter If you are a Christian who reads the bible, it is your interpretation that should matter. People should stop taking things so seriously as unfortunately the more one group says that they follow the only true interpretation, the more this divides us as human beings and ultimately it then becomes much harder to truly love thy neighbour as we resent those who dont follow the same belief system. If you are worried that what you are doing is not right then correct yourself for you.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006; You certainly have a convoluted way of thinking! My interpretation should matter to me but I shouldn't take it seriously? Are you a board self-appointed censor or what? Humans are already divided; some have faith in Christ and some do not. Those who trust Christ to take their sins away through His death are saved forever. The rest are lost forever. We have orders from Christ to preach His Gospel to all and to teach His Word. So we will have to ignore your efforts to silence us.
mikevoter 1 year ago
Praise be to God, for blessing us with Mark, that he assists us in our Christian walk.
supermanvir 1 year ago
@supermanvir Please refrain from making meaningless statements. This is a forum. Please limit your comments to the subject at hand.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 I'm gonna have to stick up for supermanvir here. He/she is commenting on the video in the comments section and is on topic. Just because he/she didn't join in on your christianity = brainwahsing discussion doesn't give you the right to act like you're the adminstrator to this "forum"
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama Dont know who supermanvir is? Havnt conversed with this person I dont believe. However there is some interesting debate here. But every few comments there is some nonsensical passage from the bible trying to tell other Christians what sin is etc. Surely this is common knowledge. It is however sad that people dont appear to have their own minds and feel it necessary to quote passages from the bible unrelated to any conversation on here. What do they hope to achieve?
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 you made the comment to supermanvir about a month ago. and he/she didn't quote the bible or mention sin, but since you can't remember its sort of irrelevant now.
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama There are currently many wars which r being fought for the dominance of one particluar religion eg Israel / Palestine but there has never been an atheist war in history. This would be silly - u cant have a war for your non belief in a creator but many people certainly do die and kill every day for there belief in their one "true" God and have done through out history. This is important to understand.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 ...I'm not sure why you want me to understand this or what you're implying exactly, but people have killed and died for their belief in a number of things through out history. religion or no religion people will still come up with an excuse to do horrible things. i think its great that your watching videos such as these and discussing them. you may not think so but I think you're looking for something, so keep searching. =)
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama With certain people who have not been totally brainwashed there is still a chance to see sense through reason. I just think it could be a lot more healthy for the human race to view the world for what it is. Nobody knows whats happens in the afterlife so we must be good to our fellow brother of man but not coz jesus or God wishes it or because one believes he might go to hell but because we genuinely want to help others for their well being. It is sad that still so many r brainwashed
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@InusMama You say that but in almost all war religion has some motivating factor. It is such an easy way to justify war. 1) You have god on your side and the enemy you have been told doesnt. 2) The afterlife is portrayed as a better place that the one on earth. 3) You have a holy place which God says is exclusively for you. You are willing to kill or die for your belief if necessary. 4) you have a limited understanding of the world due to your faith in a holy book. A real justification.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 that may be but religion is still just a justification for human atrocities, not the reason. Without it another justification would be found. Religion did not turn people into killing machines, it just gave them an excuse and I for one find it interesting that people need an excuse. It says something about humans doesn't it.
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama It says something about Humans single mindedly following one path for truth instead of accepting that we just dont have the answers but we are all human beings so should just appreciate what we have - whether its facism, communism or religion - by labling our children without giving them the chance to look at all the possibilities first, we are continuing to divide ourselves and giving us a reason not so much an excuse to kill our fellow brother of man who is not following our "truth"
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@InusMama Anyway what u say is simply not true - it is not a question of looking for a way to kill others. If the palestinians and Israelis did not follow different religions and didnt have the same holy place and both believed that they are 100% following the only true path, they would not be at war with each other. What u r saying is just a cop out from admitting to yourself that on a world scale religion is not a force for good and is actually damaging for our survival as a human race.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 well I guess we just have different views on the nature of human beings. by the way the israeli-palestinian war is a bit more complicated than that, land also has very much to do with it.I don't think you should throw out all the good that has been done in the name of religion though. nothing ever really is cut and dry, including religion.
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama Land is an issue also but only because it is occupied by essentially similar people following abrahmic beliefs but choose to seperate themselves by faith and believe they are the only true followers. They both believe they have the divine right to this land because it is written in teh scriptures.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 2) The preaching in Africa that condoms give u aids. Look it up this is true. There are signs all over Africa with this message from Christians.
3) Continual persecution of homosexuals - thats 10% of the world. With women as well that is 60%.
4) A huge motive in for most wars thoughout history.
5) Systematic rape of children by priests following an an unnatural order of chastity.
6) Burning of women for being witches.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 ME having to sit through hours and hours of Chapel every morning listening to dreary monologues from warped Christian teachers insisting that non believers will burn in hell. How many children have lived their lives in fear of roasting in hell. This in itself is a form of child abuse.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@InusMama U say that a lot of good is done - Charity. That is it. Atheists also give to charity. Atheists also go to Africa to help.
1) Persecution of women throughout history - eg
"Now behold, I have two daughters who have not had relations with man; please let me bring them out to you, and do to them whatever you like; only do nothing to these men, inasmuch as they have come under the shelter of my roof."
Rape my daughter instead but dont do anything to my guest who is a man..
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 Right, and atheists have never done anything bad. The point is religion or no religion people do bad and good things in the name of anything. And if you're gonna harp on religion do please remember the other ones and all their ugly history.
InusMama 1 year ago
@InusMama Again really? People dont just find any old reason to go to war. Either they have an ideology they r trying to impose on people or it is for resources or land or Religion. Religion almost always has a part to play. Why do u think we are so worried about Iran and Iraq having nuclear capabilities? Because they r run by religious dictators who follow ancient scriptures which actually instructs them to go forth a multiply and try to conquer the world. As with the Christian religion.
jimmajamma2006 1 year ago
@jimmajamma2006 cont... then entering it, and someone like you coming along and suggesting the only thing that matters is that we be 'good people'. This is the warped view here - of course God created you and me to have friendly fellowship with us. God talks in the Bible about people being his 'friends'. IF you had kids, and they refused to speak to you, but only acted as 'good children' your relationship with them would be slightly warped! Try interacting with God in prayer - see what happens..
cornwallsteve 1 year ago