This really is a shameless & blatant display of dishonesty & quote mining. I don't think you guys realise how seriously this damages your credibility. If it's any consolation, you didn't have any to begin with :o/
@HovindSeminarSet It seems that the only way you apologists know to argue your untenable points is to lie, misrepresent, straw-man and flat out slander the other side. What is wrong with you people? You wonder why we can't take you seriously.
i a christian and he is by no way hinting that he believe in integrity of the universe but he is hinting that an already EVOLVE species may have created us and the things we see around us .... but i dont get evolutionist minds, how can anything come from nothing.
@5857612 What "evolutionist" says it all came from nothing? Evolution has nothing to do with how the universe came to be. What you are saying is those in the Vatican believe the universe came from nothing since they are "evolutionists".
@ReptiIianFreemason I didn't mean to make a strawman argument, but i really though that was the evolutionist who believe in the big bang thought. My personal reasonable answer to that origins is that a being who was always there, infinite (no beginning or end, created all we see.
An easy & common mistake to make, don't worry about it. In regards to an infinite being who is conveniently immune to the creation process makes no sense. You can't profess the universe (or the energy of the universe) can't be infinite then tell us that there is a being who created everything who IS infinite. What evidence is there for this?
You need to revise your choice of words as we don't 'believe' anything, we simply accept that of which there is sufficient evidence to support.
@5857612 you are mistaking creationists theory with evolution. Evolution does not say anything came from nothing, in fact, Creationists do think this, because they believe a mgaical being magically created earth out of nothing.. ta fucking daaaaaaa
'That higher intelligence would have had to come about through some explicable process.'
Did you pay attention to that part Christians?
Dawkins isn't speaking about God hes speaking hypothetically about an advanced natural entity that would itself had to of evolved or gone through a process similar to evolution.
Again I point out he's speaking completely hypothetically as the uploader seems to dumb to tell and is desperate to add some bullshit new context to what hes saying.
@MrGuy1332 No, you don't get it man. Whenever anyone says something, you can freely take it out of its' original context to make it seem like said person is actually arguing for something else. It's completely logical!
intelligent design by a god is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story than intelligent design by another species.
plus, no mr dawkins NEVER said that that is how it happened. he said that it is a possibility. so shut the fuck up, you opportunistic, word-twisting assholes.
And tell me, Mr. Dawkins, why does a "designer" have to either be "explicable" or "spontaneously pop into existence" to exist, why do those two examples have to be the ONLY possibilities for the existence of a "designer", why can't a "designer" be eternal instead???
he's basically talking about a theory that was popping around where someone suggested 'hey, what if aliens dropped life off here at earth.' and Dawkins is just reiterating that theory. however, Ben Stein is a moronic douchebag, and this film is just more of this; where he takes great minds out of context, to make them sound like they are actually a follower of 'intelligent design.' he means 'intelligent design' could just be a bunch of aliens.
@starsheild7 "why can't a "designer" be eternal instead???"
Because something that exists outside of space and time is a paradox. Existence is defined by space and time. Can you think of anything that exists outside of space and time that we can verify the existence of?
@jesuriah You said, "Because something that exists outside of space & time is a paradox"
-The dictionary explains that a paradox is something that "seems" like an absurd possibility but, after investigation, is shown to be true; that is true with a special Creator.
You said, "Existence is defined by space & time"
-Space & time has never defined existence in that way, the people who define it that way are the same people who are afraid of a world that they can't control (they fear the Creator)
@starsheild7 You're missing the next definition. "b : a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true", from Merriam Webster(granted I think their definition of atheism is outdated, but scholastically they are well accepted).
"Space & time has never defined existence in that way, the people who define it that way are the same people who are afraid of a world that they can't control (they fear the Creator)"
So you're saying something can manifest without matter...right...
@starsheild7 ..I don't fear a creator. I know(in all practical senses of the word), that one does not exist. I don't fear the lack of control, you do. That's why you believe in a megalomaniacal tyrant who convicts us of thought crime that he predestined us to. You should think about who holds what position here.
@jesuriah You said, "I don't fear a lack of control"
-If that were true then you wouldn'tt define existence by things you can control or understand; you are ONLY comfortable with defining existence by space because people can have some control over space, & you are ONLY comfortable with defining existence by time because people can understand a percentage of time, but you are NOT comfortable with defining existence by "will" (a person) because you don't understand "will", nor can you control it
@starsheild7 "If that were true then you wouldn'tt define existence by things you can control or understand"
It is true. However, unlike you, I refuse to accept ridiculous claims on faith. You believe, without evidence, that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father sacrificed himself to himself to create a loophole from a curse that he gave to us. I only deal with things that manifest, since they're the only demonstrable things. I can show you gravity, but you can't show me god.
@jesuriah You said, "That's why you believe ina megalomaniac tyrant who convicts us of thought crime that he predestined us to"
-This is why you are afraid of the existence of a Creator; it is because you don't to forgiveness as seriously as you should, in fact you undermind forgivness (as you believe that you were commanded to be perfect somehow; the Creator never asked us to be perfect to be in his love). This is why you are afraid, because you undermind forgivness & acceptence at its highest
@starsheild7 " it is because you don't to forgiveness as seriously as you should,"
Forgiveness for what? What can I have done to a being powerful enough to create a universe that would cause it to want me to suffer eternally? What kind of small minded, arrogant, attention-whore god do you worship? Also, "undermind" is not a word.
@jesuriah You asked, "Can you think of anything that exists outside of space & time that we can verify the existence of?"
-Yes: it is the thing that both space & requires to create complex interconnecting machinery AND to create will; in otherwords: a higher dimensional entity needs to be so high that it actually has the narrative to create will & interconnected machinery; that higher dimensional entity sounds like a person to me & it is observable that it is needed for this existence to exist.
@starsheild7 "needs to be so high that it actually has the narrative to create will & interconnected machinery; that higher dimensional entity sounds like a person to me & it is observable that it is needed for this existence to exist."
So you need something so complex to create the universe, so...by your logic, that thing must be constructed by something even greater, creating uberinterconnectingmachines and create uberwill, etc. etc. etc. Infinite regress much?
@jesuriah I never said that complexity creates complexity, I said that "narretive" (A.K.A. will) is needed to create complexity.
You said, "I know (in all practical senses of the word) that one does not exist"
-Over infesizing how much you don't believe in a Creator with words like "every practical sense of the word" is how to overcompensate a view; you don't hear me over reacting to my view that fairies don't exist by saying "in all practical senses of the word", I won't need to over react.
@starsheild7 It's hard to understand what you mean when you make up words(narretive, infesizing), so forgive me if my answers do not make as much sense and I would like them to. You state that a a being is required to create something, then where does that being come from? You can't just say that's the end of it, that's both the special pleading and god of the gaps fallacy.
Ben Stein has got to be the MOST UNINTELLIGENT MORAN on the face of the earth....this whole stim of this subject comes from complete speculative means....Dawkins intelligence FAR EXCEEDS Bens...but his focus it to undermine Dawkins in yet a completely deceptive way...THAT'S the christian way !
@TheBoopski "UNINTELLIGENT MORAN" It helps to spell "moron" right. Just remember, it is"Mormon, without the second 'm'". Secondly, Ben STEIN is Jewish. For fucks sake man, you're making us atheists look like the goobers we make fun of.
@jesuriah because I missed spelled moron ? Give me a break.... I typo all the time....I've seen some of the most intelligent do so as well...are they all goobers because they have a typo here and there ? BE REAL, I typed that response very fast and then left...oh well if I misspelled a word....is this some kind of exam I'm getting a grade on lol ? I welcome religitards to match wits with me about life--> ANYDAY !
@Eye2EyeIIIV LOL, that meme is dead, and anyone using it deserves to be beaten with a stick. Besides, at this point, there's only 193 "likes" on the video. There is no naturalistic view that says man came from rock, but in Genesis it does say we came from rocks. Checkmate, hypocrite!
Genesis 1:1. That's the answer to were life and the world came from. Evolution is false. Atoms have like charges and like charges naturally repel eachother. We are being kept together by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ. Accept Him John 14:6
@Woahimdead07 ok. waiting. by the way, don't bother emailing me at that address, i only use it for ym. but if you message me here it always goes to my real email.
hahahaha. there you ago again, try to discredit me because you don't like the message.
try matthewdherz@ymail.com for a screen name at yahoo because i don't have enough time for a full conversation here. can you try now? i am here waiting for the next 15 minutes
what darwin admitted to was...PANSPERMIA. not GOD. an idea that aliens spread life or by a comet that contained the building blocks of life, which is actually what mainstream scintists think. even if that was wrong, it is more accurate than saying "god did it" and show NO evidence.
@matthewdherz it is a viable explanation. and can be proven in theory. it has actually. thats very christian chrisit-like of you to insult someone, i see someone has been attending church. give ONE shred of evidence for GOD. just one.
@Woahimdead07 "viable"? "Can be proven in theory"? HAHAHA, How can something be "proven" in theory??? Ok, prove it! Come on, you are a joke. I can show you all the evidence you want, but you still have to "accept" it.
I have never heard so much double speak in such a short space of time. Dawkins is full of it. He's not a genuine scientist, just an advocate for Darwinian evolution.
"Richard Dawkins admits to Intelligent Design". He didn't. He was asked a hypothetical question, "IF there was a designer, WHO would it be". If i asked you, "if there was a teapot orbiting the earth, where would it be made, the most likely answer to my question would be China". That DOESN'T mean you think a tea pot is orbiting the earth.
Wow. He is such a good scientist. He has his own theory and yet uses another to critique his own. Thanks HovindSeminarSet I used to be a believer in creationism but this made me realise that science is a much more noble pursuit and what i believed before was utter rubbish. I'm off to tell my friend about this video. It will make them atheist too!!
Jesus and YHVH and all the other gods in the bible (including 'all the gods of Egypt' Exodus 12:12 ) were not intelligent enough to create anything except wine from water... maybe
Just because a person can ask unanswerable questions, or because Dawkins is open-minded enough to concede the possibility of ID, is not the same as proof that creationists are right. The key word in this discussion, which Dawkins himself used, is "evidence". Is there evidence for ID? I don't know. I don't think the designs show that much intelligence myself. Yes life is complex, but don't confuse complexity for ID. If the wind blows sand, the dunes it forms are complex, but not designed.
@starsheild7 Erm, no, but I don't think you need to be a scienist for this stuff. All you need is a logical approach to the debate, and the fortitude to accept the truth, no matter how unsettling it may be, and no matter how much it might contradict your deepest held beliefs. The trouble with chrisians, is that they just cannot let go of the "truths" their mother's taught them.
@matbroomfield You said, "All you need is a good logical approach to the debate, & fortitude to accept the truth..."
-Explain what you mean by the "truth" if you are trully logical in this debate, (the word "truth" is not specific enough for you expect me to have fortitude to believe it without reason) explain what this mysterious "truth" is & explain why you believe it as truth
-I keep hearing atheists, evolutionists, & occultists talk about this "truth", but they never explain WHAT it is
@starsheild7 The truth is whatever the truth is.I don't know what the truth is. I think it's exceedingly unlikely to be the existence of a god who never puts in an appearance. I think the truth is more likely to be understood by observation and analysis than fear and blind faith. The truth is absolute. it requires no belief by you or me. Asking me to explain what the truth is, first requires you to define the area of truth that you wish defined. Simply put 1+1=2 not 1+1 equals god.
@starsheild7 The truth is actuality, not what somebody wishes to interpret it as. The origin of life is not determined by your belief or your faith, or by mine or my science. Life originated how life originated. It didn't ask permission or check for our understanding, it simply was. Now if that existence was due to amino acids and random chance, the existence of purposeful gods, or experimental aliens I don't know. But whatever it was, it simply was, and I'd like to understand it.
@matbroomfield You said, "The trouble with christians, is that they just cannot let go of the 'truths' their mothers taught them"
-Then why do so many atheists, born in an atheist family, become creationists? Why are most atheists depressed when they turn away from a Creator? Why does every human have the innate sence of a Creator? Why do secular scientists conclude that thing that is required to build the universe & life has to be intelligent in some way but also say it couldn't be a Creator??
@starsheild7 Atheists are depresse become they come face to face with the fact that it's a pointless and unjust universe. Reality sucks. People don't have an innate sense of the creator - they have an innate sense of life and of awe at their own smallness in the scale of things. And which secular scientists conclude that intelligence is required to build the universe - no credible ones, and even if they did, I would still weigh up the balance of probabilities not their opinions.
@matbroomfield Logic can be wrong, because logic can be applied to many things (including lies) to make it "seem" real, but knowledge is different from logic, knowledge is gained by actually observing what things do & what people choose to do, logic can be used to make a lie "seem" real while being wrong, but understanding things by way of knowledge instead of logic lets you to know what is required for things to be the way they are; so based on how life functions, a Creator is required
@starsheild7 See there's that old christian nonsense. You start by correctly pointing out that logic can be wrong, then you use logic to incorrectly come to the conclusion that there is a creator. There are reasonable and credible explanations for the way the universe functions that do not require the jump of logic to invent a creator. And even if you somehow conclude that there WAS a creator, there is no evidence for the fact that it's the benevolent god you believe in.
@starsheild7 What possible knowledge (and I'm not talking about the Bible, which is simply fiction) can you possibly offer to demonstrate that there is a God or even the probable existence or need for one? You look at a crystal and say that it's complex form is evidence of a creator, I look and say it is evidence of quantum physics, which in turn is evidence of naturally occuring or evolving process.
@starsheild7 Man has been ascribing mystical answers to natural phenomena since we first existed, and every year another piece of the universe is understood, and another of "God's works" turns out to be naturally occuring. We're nearly at the point where all you guys will have left to cling to will be your own desperate, deluded faith and stories that are 1000s of years out of date. Not that that will diminsh your absurdity belief in fairies.
@matthewdherz im a christian by the way. but i am smart enough to know when religion makes people ignorant and stupid. its one thing to be religious. its another to ignore proven fact and still cling to "god did it".
@Woahimdead07 Yeah, you would make an ignorant comment about insulting and christ-like, etc. First off all, I oppose anything that opposes God, second of all Jesus insulted people like you all the time, 3rd, then you go ahead and insult me, LOL. FYI. Mat23:27 “...You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. " LOL
@matthewdherz then jesus was a hypocrite. "turn the other cheek" then insulting someone. or how about when god said "an eye for an eye" while jesus said to turn the other cheek? all flaws in your "perfect" book of deception.
@Woahimdead07 "then"??? what you never read the bible? How could i guess? lol and you call yourself a christian? you don't even know what it means. you are as worldly as any other pagan. WHY DID YOU SAY YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN???? You are a liar!!! Why am i not suprised!!! LOL boy, what will you think of next???
@matthewdherz um. ive read the bible and the quran. both fictional storybooks. and to be a chrisitna all you have to do is believe there in spirit. if your are as mundane as i think, you probably dont even have a high school degree. am i right?
@Woahimdead07 Again, what "FACTS" are you talking about? Why do evolutionists ALWAYS call something facts without presenting what "FACTS" they are actually talking about??? LOL ( I know the answer, i just want them to think about it!). Just saying something is true, or claiming it is a fact does not MAKE IT A FACT!
@matthewdherz do you really expect someone to give you the facts of life in a comment? you do see how moronic you sound right?what answer? how come religious freaks always claim the answer with no evidence. same concept, be specific
@Woahimdead07 What answer did i claim?LOL ok, fine, lets talk on the phone because there is not enough time or space for this kind of conversation here. you can ym me at matthewdherz and we talk on yahoo phone chat
@matthewdherz panspermia is true, you want evidence? try googling the theory that should make it easy for you. psst! - google this: Meteorite ALH84001.
@Woahimdead07 yaawwwwwwnnnnnning!!!! love when they say, "go read this". Anybody can play that game. Go to institute for creation research and type any question in the search box or same thing at answers in genesis dot org. obviously you don't know it that well ilf you have to refer me out.
@matthewd that doesnt make it any less true. for a creationists "institute", it is simply an excuse and a sermon with no logic. you also strayed from the arguement. reference is implied that your opponent knows what it is, which you clearly dont.
@TheBigPicture1 Yes... What kind of moron looks to logic and reason to explain the universe? It's sad that there are actually people out there who do NOT believe in absurd myths for the purpose of boosting their ego.
@TheBigPicture1 Ignorant by definition means a lack of knowledge, and the idiots with a lack of knowledge are mainly yourselves. Your sentence is repetitive as dumb (meaning of stupidity not mute) is exactly the same as ignorant by definition. Basically you are using a synonym for dumb. Well done, now we know who the real "dumb and ignorant" one is.
What do creationists mine? Quotes... The "intelligent design" claim by theists is not supported by any evidence at all, while his HYPOTHETICAL possibility, that a (prior to that evolved) more intelligent species than humans could create another life form on another planet, if EVIDENCE (like rabbit bones in the mesozoikum ;), evidence (more than just a story) of the other intelligent species, its methods and technology, evidence for it would be found, which the god delusion hasn't. No evidence.
Do any of you creationists know what is wrong with the question "well then who did create the heavens and the earth?" Do you know what begging the question means? Why did a "who" have to create anything?
@Xenophile665 I have had supernatural experiences, visions, answered prayers, etc. I wish you only truth. i have no overwhelming desire to "win" a debate. although I strongly believe in a spirit world & an Almighty Entity, i don't pretend to have all the answers. I am humbled by the vastness of the universe, & fascinated by the mystery. I understand the "fear" of the Lord. It is a healthy respect for pure, transcendant: POWER. i pray that you will come to know the truth for yourself. WISH U BEST
Creationists as usual have no clue about the subject. Dawkins said the remote possibility of design theory would still have origins with a darwinian roots cause. Stein is an idiot as usual lol
lmfao! You crazy Christians really do try and take anything as a win for you. He's talking about extra terrestrial beings/bacteria creating life on earth. Like the theory about an asteroid filled with alien life crashing in to earth and ultimately spawning life. He didn't say anything about god. What a fail, seriously if this is the best thing you think "you got" on science then you're even more than a joke than you already are.
@TheJesusKey OK, I'll go back to my pornography. Thanks! {Now, let's see, just finished the story of Onan. Ah, here's some good, racy stuff: "Behold, thou art fair, my love, behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes."
For macro-evolution (from goo to you) to be true science there needs to be a way to go from non-life (chemicals) to life. All science speaks to the opposite. Secondly, there needs to be a mechanism for change to occur between species. Dr. John Sanford has been a genetics professor at Cornell University for over 25 years. He was co-inventor of the renowned "Gene Gun" and holds over 25 patents and had published over 70 peer reviewed scientific publications.
"For macro-evolution (from goo to you)...", well evolution is totally capable of explaining how it went from extremely simple life forms to us... over a long duration of time... compared to the Biblical account of having goo (clay) and the next second having a fully formed and functioning human! It's essentially the same thing, only one starts off with simplistic life forms, takes a very long time, and the other starts out with clay and takes an instant... to produce the same result!
@Spetsop The difference is that there is no proof or evidence for how a simple reproducing cell can come into being from natural elements. Additionally, DNA - a "language" code than can be deciphered & which communicates to everything in a cell as to when to stop building something; how to repair something, etc. has never been shown to just 'appear from molecules. Both are not "science" but fanciful conjecture. But God proves His existence by 100% fulfilled prophesy - go to truthseekers"dot"ws
There are studies on how simple cells could have come into existence, and how self replicating RNA could have developed!
"But God proves His existence by 100% fulfilled prophesy", ya all these prophesies are discovered AFTER the fact! Once the event has occurred then people go back to the holy books and try to find passages that could be interpreted as if they foretold whatever event just happened!
The interesting thing is that, we discover countess new species of living organisms every day, and at the same time we know that countless more go extinct... so, is God still poofing them into existence every day?!?
Another thing "there needs to be a way to go from non-life (chemicals) to life"... what do you think we are made up of?!? EVERY living organism is made up of NON-life! There has be NO transformation from non-life to life, we are still the same elements now as before!
@Spetsop Men have come up with this term "species". hundreds of "species" of salamanders? for instance. They are salamanders. Always will be, always were. No evolution to another lifeform. Cats stay cats. Dogs stay dogs. Always. In Genesis, God uses the term "kinds". A much broader term. Extinction is occurring because man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment, way back in "Eden". Elements are alive? You are dreaming. And have been "brainwashed."
You do know what the term "species" means right? "A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." There are lots of species of salamander, but not all of them can interbreed with each other (hence DIFFERENT species). A salamander on its own is a specific genus - "A grouping of organisms having common characteristics distinct from those of other such groupings." (which is further subdivided into species)!
You do know what the term "species" means right? "A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." There are lots of species of salamander, but not all of them can interbreed with each other (hence DIFFERENT species). A salamander on its own is a specific genus - "A grouping of organisms having common characteristics distinct from those of other such groupings." (which is further subdivided into species)!
Well, if extinction is occurring because "man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment", why, again, are there new species of organisms discovered all the time? I just explained to you what "species" means, you can't go fall back on this argument again!
I never said elements were alive (in fact I said that they are NOT alive), I said that living organisms are made up of the same elements as non-living organisms!
Well, if extinction is occurring because "man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment", why, again, are there new species of organisms discovered all the time? I just explained to you what "species" means, you can't go fall back on this argument again!
I never said elements were alive (in fact I said that they are NOT alive), I said that living organisms are made up of the same elements as non-living organisms!
What do you think makes up your cellular structure? About 70% of your body is made up of water! What's water? 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom... are these elements alive? Of course not! Most of other things in the body are made up of carbon atoms, nitrogen atoms, iron atoms, and a lot of trace elements, including heavy metals, NONE of them are alive, yet they make up a body that is! Get my point yet, that there was no transformation from non-life to life, we are STILL the same!
Dr. John Stanford - Cornell holds over 25 patents in genetic engineering. He states Haldanes Dilemma is even a more serious problem now. Man & chimp differ by at least 150 million nucleotides..(with) at least 20 million fixed mutations..natural selection could only have selected for 1000...the rest...fixed by random drift would have resulted in millions of deleterious mutations... making us not only inferior to our chimp-like ancestors, but killing us. P.160-Genetic Entropy...his book. Read it
@ShockofGawd Looooooooooooooooool you are just dumb and dont understand science stay small kid its better to believe in a comfortable lie than actually trying to learn the truth the hardway
@ShockofGawd And christianity is a lie, its "evidence" just a sham to try to control the masses. Evidence? Read the histories of the churches, and watch the televangelist shamans. Also, see how many of the faithful have ever been able to heal an amputee (with "god's" help, of course!).
@314julius ..Well said..Atheism is madness without any basis for common sense.....I used to be one. I escaped back into reality.... That means there is hope....
The creationist likes to mix biogenesis with evolutionary theory, claiming that no biogenesis theory disproves evolutionary theory. This is silly. An equivalent argument is that Copernicus had it wrong when he claimed the earth revolved around the sun because he did not have a good theory for how stars form. Heliocentric and evolutionary theory fit the evidence and made good predictions. Claim to know what you have evidence for. Admit when you don't. It's called intellectual honesty.
@TheJesusKey The evidence is the fact that there's no verifiable evidence to show that anything supernatural even exists. Therefore the most logical position one can take is that it started by natural means as there hasn't been any evidence for the existence of anything that is supernatural. However if new evidence comes that proves us wrong, we will gladly change positions.
This is Dawkins throwing you morons a bone. He states clearly that no one really knows. You however say that you do know and it is god. Did you even listen to him say the possibility is there that there is life advanced enough to do things you want but it would have to be explainable. Your god is not. It's funny that even when you think you are making an argument you are still making fools of yourselves. Keep up the crappy work christians. LOL
@ptango101 if as you state that dawkins said "NO ONE REALLY KNOWS" how is he SO SURE it wasnt intelligent design...IF HE DOESNT KNOW......wow.....That dawkins kool aid must be awesome stuff, What an Idiot
@shwminist It could be intelligent design but if you can't explain YOUR EXPLANATION for the intelligence then you have achieved nothing. Things looking designed isn't the same as them being designed. I'm pretty sure it's just not the god of the bible that christians want it to be though.
@ptango101 ...Your athiest colors are shining through......"PRETTY SURE" ....rofl....Im pretty sure the sun is coming up tommorow ....Im pretty sure atheism is more supernatural than theism........Sounds like you have been sipping too much of the dawkins kool aid too...and I am preety sure about that...(too funny)...Do you and your idiot mentor dawkins realize how stupid you really sound....Thanks for the comedy I needed that laugh....Go smoke one for me...
@shwminist So are you saying that the reality of the sun coming up tomorrow is just the same as your superstition about god? You can't be serious? I'll tell you what's as sure as the sun coming up tomorrow. Your inability to understand any argument that I would throw your way. Aren't you embarrassed by the amount of retardation done to your critical thinking skills caused by your adherence to the bronze age myths of second rate religious dogma.
@ptango101 I offered no explanation and didnt offer anything to explain as you put it....It wouldnt matter if I did, How much evidence would you need, 1, 3, 5 , 10...How much would be enough?...as a former atheist who majored in Science (and common sense), (not following blindly like a sheep up dawkins butt) who FINALLY realized that Science itself proves a creator , search for yourself, Escape the madness of the insanity called atheism... Reality awaits...
@shwminist How much evidence would I need?? How about just one piece that isn't fallacious, based on how warm and fuzzy, what's being said, makes you feel inside and a bunch of personal experiences that can only be commented on by you. Do you just blindly follow the likes of Stein, Craig and any other douche bag christian who sounds good on the day? ""reality awaits" LMFAO
@shwminist Are you really going to say that you know how it all began and it was the god of your particular religion?? Seriously what good is anything you people do. Look at Stein! He's an idiot with no Idea about the subjects he is trying to debunk.
Please outline LOL...the SCIENCE..bahaahaha.. that proves your creator. This I have got to hear.
@shwminist How are you so certain that there are no leprechauns? That the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create the universe? That the Sun isn't god? You aren't. But you're certain enough, right?
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts
@TheJesusKey "Take things on faith?" Whose faith? The Mormons? The Muslims? The ancient Egyptians? Yours? Ridiculous beliefs are ridiculous. "Faith" doesn't make them valid.
@TheJesusKey Unless you are telepathic, you cannot state that with certainty. I am an atheist, but I do not know that there is a god. And I don't hold that opinion just to avoid "obeying a higher power." I admit that I don't "Know" if there is a god, but I'll hold that opinion until the theists come up with some verifiable evidence to support the assertion that a god(s) exists.
@TheJesusKey Dumb shit creatards always get shit backwards. Can't even tell the difference between religion and science. You must have some sexual disfunction, when was the last time you had a good fuck?
But, he didn't admit to intelligent design in the way that was implied, obviously. O___o
It is fair enough to say there is a God, in fact I think it's a fantastic thing. However, it is stupid and ignorant to ignore facts placed in front of you, or deliberately misinterpret things for the sole purpose of misleading others.
You need to understand both sides of the argument to have a valid opinion, which is something creationists generally DO NOT. That's a serious problem.
Frauds! He was answering a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION about how life could have formed on Earth through guidance by intelligent beings.
Also, Stein is a hypocrit, because early in the documentary he denies that ID is stricly religious, but later on he ridicules the idea of panspermia or design by aliens. Since these are the only options in ID (divine or extraterrestrial intervention), he admits that ID is strictly religious after all.
@M4ruta; Stein is more than a hypocrite, he's a hypocritical whore willing to sell himself and any creditability his name once had to the highest bidder. Oh, and to see @HovindSeminarSet post this under the false banner (i.e. *Dawkins admits to ID*) is nothing more than simple *lying for Jeebus.* Ignorant fools, both.
Atheist have an illogical, unscientific opinion, ideology, that's NOT supported by facts, evidence or science. It is just their opinion, a nihilist, materialist, naturalist, humanist world view, along with other man-made mental masturbation, circular false and flawed logic. This Atheist attempt to conflate science to their way of thinking is pure duplicity and hypocrisy. There is no way science can prove or disprove God and Atheism does not lead to deep thoughts or science. Death to Atheism!
@geeflyboy By the same reasoning you could literally replace the word Atheist in your argument with Theist and make exactly the same point, which is immoral. I'm not an atheist, but I must say your comment does nothing but make you look bad - as well as ignorant of some fundamental values and ideals. I feel sorry for you.
This really is a shameless & blatant display of dishonesty & quote mining. I don't think you guys realise how seriously this damages your credibility. If it's any consolation, you didn't have any to begin with :o/
ReptiIianFreemason 2 weeks ago
@HovindSeminarSet It seems that the only way you apologists know to argue your untenable points is to lie, misrepresent, straw-man and flat out slander the other side. What is wrong with you people? You wonder why we can't take you seriously.
ptango101 1 month ago
i a christian and he is by no way hinting that he believe in integrity of the universe but he is hinting that an already EVOLVE species may have created us and the things we see around us .... but i dont get evolutionist minds, how can anything come from nothing.
5857612 1 month ago
@5857612 Exactly!
JamesRideout123 1 month ago
@JamesRideout123
What 'exactly'?
ReptiIianFreemason 2 weeks ago
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@5857612
- " i dont get evolutionist minds, how can anything come from nothing."
This is just typical creationist ignorance. There was never 'nothing'.
TheAtheistExperience 1 month ago
@5857612 What "evolutionist" says it all came from nothing? Evolution has nothing to do with how the universe came to be. What you are saying is those in the Vatican believe the universe came from nothing since they are "evolutionists".
2Addicted2YT 3 weeks ago
@5857612
The fact that evolution doesn't deal with origins aside, no scientist believe something came from nothing. That's just a strawman argument.
ReptiIianFreemason 2 weeks ago
@ReptiIianFreemason I didn't mean to make a strawman argument, but i really though that was the evolutionist who believe in the big bang thought. My personal reasonable answer to that origins is that a being who was always there, infinite (no beginning or end, created all we see.
5857612 2 weeks ago
@5857612
An easy & common mistake to make, don't worry about it. In regards to an infinite being who is conveniently immune to the creation process makes no sense. You can't profess the universe (or the energy of the universe) can't be infinite then tell us that there is a being who created everything who IS infinite. What evidence is there for this?
You need to revise your choice of words as we don't 'believe' anything, we simply accept that of which there is sufficient evidence to support.
ReptiIianFreemason 2 weeks ago
@5857612 you are mistaking creationists theory with evolution. Evolution does not say anything came from nothing, in fact, Creationists do think this, because they believe a mgaical being magically created earth out of nothing.. ta fucking daaaaaaa
turbocpt1 3 days ago
'That higher intelligence would have had to come about through some explicable process.'
Did you pay attention to that part Christians?
Dawkins isn't speaking about God hes speaking hypothetically about an advanced natural entity that would itself had to of evolved or gone through a process similar to evolution.
Again I point out he's speaking completely hypothetically as the uploader seems to dumb to tell and is desperate to add some bullshit new context to what hes saying.
MrGuy1332 1 month ago
@MrGuy1332 No, you don't get it man. Whenever anyone says something, you can freely take it out of its' original context to make it seem like said person is actually arguing for something else. It's completely logical!
jesuriah 1 month ago
intelligent design by a god is a COMPLETELY DIFFERENT story than intelligent design by another species.
plus, no mr dawkins NEVER said that that is how it happened. he said that it is a possibility. so shut the fuck up, you opportunistic, word-twisting assholes.
rushfan000 1 month ago
And tell me, Mr. Dawkins, why does a "designer" have to either be "explicable" or "spontaneously pop into existence" to exist, why do those two examples have to be the ONLY possibilities for the existence of a "designer", why can't a "designer" be eternal instead???
starsheild7 1 month ago
@starsheild7 because its unrealistic and stupid.
he's basically talking about a theory that was popping around where someone suggested 'hey, what if aliens dropped life off here at earth.' and Dawkins is just reiterating that theory. however, Ben Stein is a moronic douchebag, and this film is just more of this; where he takes great minds out of context, to make them sound like they are actually a follower of 'intelligent design.' he means 'intelligent design' could just be a bunch of aliens.
JonnoXD 1 month ago
@JonnoXD Explain why you believe it is unrealistic and stupid.
starsheild7 1 month ago
@starsheild7 can you rephrase that, it didnt really make much sense.
JonnoXD 1 month ago
@starsheild7 "why can't a "designer" be eternal instead???"
Because something that exists outside of space and time is a paradox. Existence is defined by space and time. Can you think of anything that exists outside of space and time that we can verify the existence of?
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah You said, "Because something that exists outside of space & time is a paradox"
-The dictionary explains that a paradox is something that "seems" like an absurd possibility but, after investigation, is shown to be true; that is true with a special Creator.
You said, "Existence is defined by space & time"
-Space & time has never defined existence in that way, the people who define it that way are the same people who are afraid of a world that they can't control (they fear the Creator)
starsheild7 1 month ago
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@starsheild7 You're missing the next definition. "b : a self-contradictory statement that at first seems true", from Merriam Webster(granted I think their definition of atheism is outdated, but scholastically they are well accepted).
"Space & time has never defined existence in that way, the people who define it that way are the same people who are afraid of a world that they can't control (they fear the Creator)"
So you're saying something can manifest without matter...right...
jesuriah 1 month ago
@starsheild7 ..I don't fear a creator. I know(in all practical senses of the word), that one does not exist. I don't fear the lack of control, you do. That's why you believe in a megalomaniacal tyrant who convicts us of thought crime that he predestined us to. You should think about who holds what position here.
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah You said, "I don't fear a lack of control"
-If that were true then you wouldn'tt define existence by things you can control or understand; you are ONLY comfortable with defining existence by space because people can have some control over space, & you are ONLY comfortable with defining existence by time because people can understand a percentage of time, but you are NOT comfortable with defining existence by "will" (a person) because you don't understand "will", nor can you control it
starsheild7 1 month ago
@starsheild7 "If that were true then you wouldn'tt define existence by things you can control or understand"
It is true. However, unlike you, I refuse to accept ridiculous claims on faith. You believe, without evidence, that a cosmic Jewish zombie who was his own father sacrificed himself to himself to create a loophole from a curse that he gave to us. I only deal with things that manifest, since they're the only demonstrable things. I can show you gravity, but you can't show me god.
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah You said, "That's why you believe ina megalomaniac tyrant who convicts us of thought crime that he predestined us to"
-This is why you are afraid of the existence of a Creator; it is because you don't to forgiveness as seriously as you should, in fact you undermind forgivness (as you believe that you were commanded to be perfect somehow; the Creator never asked us to be perfect to be in his love). This is why you are afraid, because you undermind forgivness & acceptence at its highest
starsheild7 1 month ago
@starsheild7 " it is because you don't to forgiveness as seriously as you should,"
Forgiveness for what? What can I have done to a being powerful enough to create a universe that would cause it to want me to suffer eternally? What kind of small minded, arrogant, attention-whore god do you worship? Also, "undermind" is not a word.
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah You asked, "Can you think of anything that exists outside of space & time that we can verify the existence of?"
-Yes: it is the thing that both space & requires to create complex interconnecting machinery AND to create will; in otherwords: a higher dimensional entity needs to be so high that it actually has the narrative to create will & interconnected machinery; that higher dimensional entity sounds like a person to me & it is observable that it is needed for this existence to exist.
starsheild7 1 month ago
@starsheild7 "needs to be so high that it actually has the narrative to create will & interconnected machinery; that higher dimensional entity sounds like a person to me & it is observable that it is needed for this existence to exist."
So you need something so complex to create the universe, so...by your logic, that thing must be constructed by something even greater, creating uberinterconnectingmachines and create uberwill, etc. etc. etc. Infinite regress much?
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah I never said that complexity creates complexity, I said that "narretive" (A.K.A. will) is needed to create complexity.
You said, "I know (in all practical senses of the word) that one does not exist"
-Over infesizing how much you don't believe in a Creator with words like "every practical sense of the word" is how to overcompensate a view; you don't hear me over reacting to my view that fairies don't exist by saying "in all practical senses of the word", I won't need to over react.
starsheild7 1 month ago
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@starsheild7 It's hard to understand what you mean when you make up words(narretive, infesizing), so forgive me if my answers do not make as much sense and I would like them to. You state that a a being is required to create something, then where does that being come from? You can't just say that's the end of it, that's both the special pleading and god of the gaps fallacy.
"you don't believe in a Creator with words "
herpderp do you have a point?
jesuriah 1 month ago
Ben Stein has got to be the MOST UNINTELLIGENT MORAN on the face of the earth....this whole stim of this subject comes from complete speculative means....Dawkins intelligence FAR EXCEEDS Bens...but his focus it to undermine Dawkins in yet a completely deceptive way...THAT'S the christian way !
TheBoopski 1 month ago
@TheBoopski "UNINTELLIGENT MORAN" It helps to spell "moron" right. Just remember, it is"Mormon, without the second 'm'". Secondly, Ben STEIN is Jewish. For fucks sake man, you're making us atheists look like the goobers we make fun of.
jesuriah 1 month ago
@jesuriah because I missed spelled moron ? Give me a break.... I typo all the time....I've seen some of the most intelligent do so as well...are they all goobers because they have a typo here and there ? BE REAL, I typed that response very fast and then left...oh well if I misspelled a word....is this some kind of exam I'm getting a grade on lol ? I welcome religitards to match wits with me about life--> ANYDAY !
TheBoopski 1 month ago
199 people believe we came from a rock
Eye2EyeIIIV 2 months ago
@Eye2EyeIIIV LOL, that meme is dead, and anyone using it deserves to be beaten with a stick. Besides, at this point, there's only 193 "likes" on the video. There is no naturalistic view that says man came from rock, but in Genesis it does say we came from rocks. Checkmate, hypocrite!
jesuriah 1 month ago
Genesis 1:1. That's the answer to were life and the world came from. Evolution is false. Atoms have like charges and like charges naturally repel eachother. We are being kept together by the power of the Lord Jesus Christ. Accept Him John 14:6
nathansteel86 2 months ago
matthewdherz@ymail.com is my screen name
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz h.o.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 ok. waiting. by the way, don't bother emailing me at that address, i only use it for ym. but if you message me here it always goes to my real email.
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz can you login thru meebo? it should work
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 can you sign on thru meebo?
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
hahahaha. there you ago again, try to discredit me because you don't like the message.
try matthewdherz@ymail.com for a screen name at yahoo because i don't have enough time for a full conversation here. can you try now? i am here waiting for the next 15 minutes
matthewdherz 2 months ago
this is my screen name matthewdherz
matthewdherz 2 months ago
this is my screen name matthewdherz
matthewdherz 2 months ago
what darwin admitted to was...PANSPERMIA. not GOD. an idea that aliens spread life or by a comet that contained the building blocks of life, which is actually what mainstream scintists think. even if that was wrong, it is more accurate than saying "god did it" and show NO evidence.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 You are an idiot if you think there is anymore evidence for "PANSPERMIA" than God. Get a brain.
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz it is a viable explanation. and can be proven in theory. it has actually. thats very christian chrisit-like of you to insult someone, i see someone has been attending church. give ONE shred of evidence for GOD. just one.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 "viable"? "Can be proven in theory"? HAHAHA, How can something be "proven" in theory??? Ok, prove it! Come on, you are a joke. I can show you all the evidence you want, but you still have to "accept" it.
matthewdherz 2 months ago
I have never heard so much double speak in such a short space of time. Dawkins is full of it. He's not a genuine scientist, just an advocate for Darwinian evolution.
simkolkay 2 months ago
@simkolkay that doesnt make his points any less accurate. and yes by the way, he is a "genuine scientist" and in more than one field by the way.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
"Richard Dawkins admits to Intelligent Design". He didn't. He was asked a hypothetical question, "IF there was a designer, WHO would it be". If i asked you, "if there was a teapot orbiting the earth, where would it be made, the most likely answer to my question would be China". That DOESN'T mean you think a tea pot is orbiting the earth.
truevoiceofsanity 3 months ago
wow really dawkins lol is this the guy these people put there faith in smh
jamesbamaboi 3 months ago
Wow. He is such a good scientist. He has his own theory and yet uses another to critique his own. Thanks HovindSeminarSet I used to be a believer in creationism but this made me realise that science is a much more noble pursuit and what i believed before was utter rubbish. I'm off to tell my friend about this video. It will make them atheist too!!
ben9345 3 months ago
a crappy documentary hosted by a crappy zionist jew
JagjeetMann 3 months ago
Its sad too see idiots like yourselves. I pity your stupidity and scientific illiteracy.
ScientificExperience 3 months ago
@ScientificExperience There are great scientists who believe in God. Just saying
C13SKY 3 months ago
@C13SKY and more than 90% of scientists don't. Pointing to a scientist who believes in god is not a valid argument. Just Saying...
ScientificExperience 3 months ago
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@ScientificExperience its not a matter of being unscientific
C13SKY 3 months ago
Jesus and YHVH and all the other gods in the bible (including 'all the gods of Egypt' Exodus 12:12 ) were not intelligent enough to create anything except wine from water... maybe
ozweblogs 4 months ago
@ozweblogs Are you talking about the father,son and the Holy Spirit? you mean
jamesbamaboi 3 months ago
Just because a person can ask unanswerable questions, or because Dawkins is open-minded enough to concede the possibility of ID, is not the same as proof that creationists are right. The key word in this discussion, which Dawkins himself used, is "evidence". Is there evidence for ID? I don't know. I don't think the designs show that much intelligence myself. Yes life is complex, but don't confuse complexity for ID. If the wind blows sand, the dunes it forms are complex, but not designed.
matbroomfield 4 months ago
@matbroomfield You're not a scientist are you?
starsheild7 3 months ago
@starsheild7 Erm, no, but I don't think you need to be a scienist for this stuff. All you need is a logical approach to the debate, and the fortitude to accept the truth, no matter how unsettling it may be, and no matter how much it might contradict your deepest held beliefs. The trouble with chrisians, is that they just cannot let go of the "truths" their mother's taught them.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@matbroomfield You said, "All you need is a good logical approach to the debate, & fortitude to accept the truth..."
-Explain what you mean by the "truth" if you are trully logical in this debate, (the word "truth" is not specific enough for you expect me to have fortitude to believe it without reason) explain what this mysterious "truth" is & explain why you believe it as truth
-I keep hearing atheists, evolutionists, & occultists talk about this "truth", but they never explain WHAT it is
starsheild7 3 months ago
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matbroomfield 3 months ago
@starsheild7 The truth is whatever the truth is.I don't know what the truth is. I think it's exceedingly unlikely to be the existence of a god who never puts in an appearance. I think the truth is more likely to be understood by observation and analysis than fear and blind faith. The truth is absolute. it requires no belief by you or me. Asking me to explain what the truth is, first requires you to define the area of truth that you wish defined. Simply put 1+1=2 not 1+1 equals god.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@starsheild7 The truth is actuality, not what somebody wishes to interpret it as. The origin of life is not determined by your belief or your faith, or by mine or my science. Life originated how life originated. It didn't ask permission or check for our understanding, it simply was. Now if that existence was due to amino acids and random chance, the existence of purposeful gods, or experimental aliens I don't know. But whatever it was, it simply was, and I'd like to understand it.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@matbroomfield You said, "The trouble with christians, is that they just cannot let go of the 'truths' their mothers taught them"
-Then why do so many atheists, born in an atheist family, become creationists? Why are most atheists depressed when they turn away from a Creator? Why does every human have the innate sence of a Creator? Why do secular scientists conclude that thing that is required to build the universe & life has to be intelligent in some way but also say it couldn't be a Creator??
starsheild7 3 months ago
@starsheild7 Atheists are depresse become they come face to face with the fact that it's a pointless and unjust universe. Reality sucks. People don't have an innate sense of the creator - they have an innate sense of life and of awe at their own smallness in the scale of things. And which secular scientists conclude that intelligence is required to build the universe - no credible ones, and even if they did, I would still weigh up the balance of probabilities not their opinions.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@matbroomfield Logic can be wrong, because logic can be applied to many things (including lies) to make it "seem" real, but knowledge is different from logic, knowledge is gained by actually observing what things do & what people choose to do, logic can be used to make a lie "seem" real while being wrong, but understanding things by way of knowledge instead of logic lets you to know what is required for things to be the way they are; so based on how life functions, a Creator is required
starsheild7 3 months ago
@starsheild7 See there's that old christian nonsense. You start by correctly pointing out that logic can be wrong, then you use logic to incorrectly come to the conclusion that there is a creator. There are reasonable and credible explanations for the way the universe functions that do not require the jump of logic to invent a creator. And even if you somehow conclude that there WAS a creator, there is no evidence for the fact that it's the benevolent god you believe in.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@starsheild7 What possible knowledge (and I'm not talking about the Bible, which is simply fiction) can you possibly offer to demonstrate that there is a God or even the probable existence or need for one? You look at a crystal and say that it's complex form is evidence of a creator, I look and say it is evidence of quantum physics, which in turn is evidence of naturally occuring or evolving process.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@starsheild7 Man has been ascribing mystical answers to natural phenomena since we first existed, and every year another piece of the universe is understood, and another of "God's works" turns out to be naturally occuring. We're nearly at the point where all you guys will have left to cling to will be your own desperate, deluded faith and stories that are 1000s of years out of date. Not that that will diminsh your absurdity belief in fairies.
matbroomfield 3 months ago
@matbroomfield exactly. it really is a point that creationists cannot argue but only switch topics for.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 sorry? what point are you referring to? I hate when evolutionism zealots make accusations without clarity as if that is defendable! LOL
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz im a christian by the way. but i am smart enough to know when religion makes people ignorant and stupid. its one thing to be religious. its another to ignore proven fact and still cling to "god did it".
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 Yeah, you would make an ignorant comment about insulting and christ-like, etc. First off all, I oppose anything that opposes God, second of all Jesus insulted people like you all the time, 3rd, then you go ahead and insult me, LOL. FYI. Mat23:27 “...You are like whitewashed tombs, which look beautiful on the outside but on the inside are full of the bones of the dead and everything unclean. " LOL
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 I don't know what bible you read, but Jesus did insult “You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell?
Matthew 23:32-34
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz then jesus was a hypocrite. "turn the other cheek" then insulting someone. or how about when god said "an eye for an eye" while jesus said to turn the other cheek? all flaws in your "perfect" book of deception.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 "then"??? what you never read the bible? How could i guess? lol and you call yourself a christian? you don't even know what it means. you are as worldly as any other pagan. WHY DID YOU SAY YOU WERE A CHRISTIAN???? You are a liar!!! Why am i not suprised!!! LOL boy, what will you think of next???
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz um. ive read the bible and the quran. both fictional storybooks. and to be a chrisitna all you have to do is believe there in spirit. if your are as mundane as i think, you probably dont even have a high school degree. am i right?
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@matthewdherz log on. im on.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 im on. what is your screen name?
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 Again, what "FACTS" are you talking about? Why do evolutionists ALWAYS call something facts without presenting what "FACTS" they are actually talking about??? LOL ( I know the answer, i just want them to think about it!). Just saying something is true, or claiming it is a fact does not MAKE IT A FACT!
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz do you really expect someone to give you the facts of life in a comment? you do see how moronic you sound right?what answer? how come religious freaks always claim the answer with no evidence. same concept, be specific
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 What answer did i claim?LOL ok, fine, lets talk on the phone because there is not enough time or space for this kind of conversation here. you can ym me at matthewdherz and we talk on yahoo phone chat
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewdherz how about you pm me a screen name? AIM or whatever.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@matthewdherz panspermia is true, you want evidence? try googling the theory that should make it easy for you. psst! - google this: Meteorite ALH84001.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
@Woahimdead07 yaawwwwwwnnnnnning!!!! love when they say, "go read this". Anybody can play that game. Go to institute for creation research and type any question in the search box or same thing at answers in genesis dot org. obviously you don't know it that well ilf you have to refer me out.
matthewdherz 2 months ago
@matthewd that doesnt make it any less true. for a creationists "institute", it is simply an excuse and a sermon with no logic. you also strayed from the arguement. reference is implied that your opponent knows what it is, which you clearly dont.
Woahimdead07 2 months ago
atheists are dumb and ignorant :)
TheBigPicture1 4 months ago
@TheBigPicture1 Yes... What kind of moron looks to logic and reason to explain the universe? It's sad that there are actually people out there who do NOT believe in absurd myths for the purpose of boosting their ego.
Ononemuss 4 months ago
@Ononemuss fail
TheBigPicture1 4 months ago
@TheBigPicture1 Ignorant by definition means a lack of knowledge, and the idiots with a lack of knowledge are mainly yourselves. Your sentence is repetitive as dumb (meaning of stupidity not mute) is exactly the same as ignorant by definition. Basically you are using a synonym for dumb. Well done, now we know who the real "dumb and ignorant" one is.
ScientificExperience 3 months ago
@TheBigPicture1 Ha ha :-)
matbroomfield 3 months ago
What do creationists mine? Quotes... The "intelligent design" claim by theists is not supported by any evidence at all, while his HYPOTHETICAL possibility, that a (prior to that evolved) more intelligent species than humans could create another life form on another planet, if EVIDENCE (like rabbit bones in the mesozoikum ;), evidence (more than just a story) of the other intelligent species, its methods and technology, evidence for it would be found, which the god delusion hasn't. No evidence.
MardasMan 4 months ago
Quote mining, get the f**k out...
magrpe 4 months ago
Do any of you creationists know what is wrong with the question "well then who did create the heavens and the earth?" Do you know what begging the question means? Why did a "who" have to create anything?
ptango101 4 months ago
@Xenophile665 I have had supernatural experiences, visions, answered prayers, etc. I wish you only truth. i have no overwhelming desire to "win" a debate. although I strongly believe in a spirit world & an Almighty Entity, i don't pretend to have all the answers. I am humbled by the vastness of the universe, & fascinated by the mystery. I understand the "fear" of the Lord. It is a healthy respect for pure, transcendant: POWER. i pray that you will come to know the truth for yourself. WISH U BEST
BRUTHAWAR 4 months ago
Creationists as usual have no clue about the subject. Dawkins said the remote possibility of design theory would still have origins with a darwinian roots cause. Stein is an idiot as usual lol
allanhill1 4 months ago
lmfao! You crazy Christians really do try and take anything as a win for you. He's talking about extra terrestrial beings/bacteria creating life on earth. Like the theory about an asteroid filled with alien life crashing in to earth and ultimately spawning life. He didn't say anything about god. What a fail, seriously if this is the best thing you think "you got" on science then you're even more than a joke than you already are.
ricolikepal 4 months ago
this is my new favourite youtube video.
jmbailey272 4 months ago
@TheJesusKey OK, I'll go back to my pornography. Thanks! {Now, let's see, just finished the story of Onan. Ah, here's some good, racy stuff: "Behold, thou art fair, my love, behold, thou art fair; thou hast doves' eyes."
Sound familiar?
Xenophile665 5 months ago
@TheJesusKey Where does Dawkins state that he is "100% certain" that there is no god? Talk about being dishonest - you take the cake.
Xenophile665 5 months ago
Two words: quote mining.
matias2309 5 months ago 2
@matias2309 And remember, folks, quote mining has another name: lying.
Xenophile665 5 months ago
For macro-evolution (from goo to you) to be true science there needs to be a way to go from non-life (chemicals) to life. All science speaks to the opposite. Secondly, there needs to be a mechanism for change to occur between species. Dr. John Sanford has been a genetics professor at Cornell University for over 25 years. He was co-inventor of the renowned "Gene Gun" and holds over 25 patents and had published over 70 peer reviewed scientific publications.
moabedom 5 months ago
@moabedom
"For macro-evolution (from goo to you)...", well evolution is totally capable of explaining how it went from extremely simple life forms to us... over a long duration of time... compared to the Biblical account of having goo (clay) and the next second having a fully formed and functioning human! It's essentially the same thing, only one starts off with simplistic life forms, takes a very long time, and the other starts out with clay and takes an instant... to produce the same result!
Spetsop 5 months ago
@Spetsop The difference is that there is no proof or evidence for how a simple reproducing cell can come into being from natural elements. Additionally, DNA - a "language" code than can be deciphered & which communicates to everything in a cell as to when to stop building something; how to repair something, etc. has never been shown to just 'appear from molecules. Both are not "science" but fanciful conjecture. But God proves His existence by 100% fulfilled prophesy - go to truthseekers"dot"ws
moabedom 5 months ago
@moabedom
There are studies on how simple cells could have come into existence, and how self replicating RNA could have developed!
"But God proves His existence by 100% fulfilled prophesy", ya all these prophesies are discovered AFTER the fact! Once the event has occurred then people go back to the holy books and try to find passages that could be interpreted as if they foretold whatever event just happened!
Spetsop 5 months ago
@moabedom
The interesting thing is that, we discover countess new species of living organisms every day, and at the same time we know that countless more go extinct... so, is God still poofing them into existence every day?!?
Another thing "there needs to be a way to go from non-life (chemicals) to life"... what do you think we are made up of?!? EVERY living organism is made up of NON-life! There has be NO transformation from non-life to life, we are still the same elements now as before!
Spetsop 5 months ago
@Spetsop Men have come up with this term "species". hundreds of "species" of salamanders? for instance. They are salamanders. Always will be, always were. No evolution to another lifeform. Cats stay cats. Dogs stay dogs. Always. In Genesis, God uses the term "kinds". A much broader term. Extinction is occurring because man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment, way back in "Eden". Elements are alive? You are dreaming. And have been "brainwashed."
moabedom 5 months ago
@moabedom
You do know what the term "species" means right? "A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." There are lots of species of salamander, but not all of them can interbreed with each other (hence DIFFERENT species). A salamander on its own is a specific genus - "A grouping of organisms having common characteristics distinct from those of other such groupings." (which is further subdivided into species)!
Spetsop 5 months ago
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@moabedom
You do know what the term "species" means right? "A group of living organisms consisting of similar individuals capable of exchanging genes or interbreeding." There are lots of species of salamander, but not all of them can interbreed with each other (hence DIFFERENT species). A salamander on its own is a specific genus - "A grouping of organisms having common characteristics distinct from those of other such groupings." (which is further subdivided into species)!
Spetsop 5 months ago
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@moabedom
Well, if extinction is occurring because "man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment", why, again, are there new species of organisms discovered all the time? I just explained to you what "species" means, you can't go fall back on this argument again!
I never said elements were alive (in fact I said that they are NOT alive), I said that living organisms are made up of the same elements as non-living organisms!
Spetsop 5 months ago
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@moabedom
Well, if extinction is occurring because "man forfeited the adequate ability to take care of the animals & environment", why, again, are there new species of organisms discovered all the time? I just explained to you what "species" means, you can't go fall back on this argument again!
I never said elements were alive (in fact I said that they are NOT alive), I said that living organisms are made up of the same elements as non-living organisms!
Spetsop 5 months ago
@moabedom
What do you think makes up your cellular structure? About 70% of your body is made up of water! What's water? 2 hydrogen atoms and 1 oxygen atom... are these elements alive? Of course not! Most of other things in the body are made up of carbon atoms, nitrogen atoms, iron atoms, and a lot of trace elements, including heavy metals, NONE of them are alive, yet they make up a body that is! Get my point yet, that there was no transformation from non-life to life, we are STILL the same!
Spetsop 5 months ago
Dr. John Stanford - Cornell holds over 25 patents in genetic engineering. He states Haldanes Dilemma is even a more serious problem now. Man & chimp differ by at least 150 million nucleotides..(with) at least 20 million fixed mutations..natural selection could only have selected for 1000...the rest...fixed by random drift would have resulted in millions of deleterious mutations... making us not only inferior to our chimp-like ancestors, but killing us. P.160-Genetic Entropy...his book. Read it
moabedom 5 months ago
who is this Guy ?
is it some dude in a mental institute ?
you really shouldnt poke fun at retarded or Mentally ill people
or is he possesed or something maybe ?,
is it Charles Mansons Roomate or closest follower perhaps ?
wierd beliefs Man, Weird.... ;-)
this is a clip from an old B-movie sci fi huh ???
ncwdane 6 months ago
Atheism is a lie, it doesn't take much research to see that their so called evidence is just a sham to try to destroy christianity.
ShockofGawd 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd Looooooooooooooooool you are just dumb and dont understand science stay small kid its better to believe in a comfortable lie than actually trying to learn the truth the hardway
freddelaere 6 months ago
@ShockofGawd And christianity is a lie, its "evidence" just a sham to try to control the masses. Evidence? Read the histories of the churches, and watch the televangelist shamans. Also, see how many of the faithful have ever been able to heal an amputee (with "god's" help, of course!).
Xenophile665 5 months ago
@Xenophile665
How dare you attack my beliefs, there is such a thing as freedom of religion!
ShockofGawd 5 months ago
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@ShockofGawd "How dare you attack my beliefs, there is such a thing as freedom of religion!"
Are you pulling my leg? Good one.
Xenophile665 5 months ago
Basically equivalent to two little kids saying yes you can no you can't back and forth to each other.
GrimeSponge 7 months ago
the atheistic view is more supernatural than the theist view.....wow
shwminist 7 months ago
@shwminist I feel the atheist believe in so many miracles without a miracle maker! ... wOw!
314julius 6 months ago
@314julius ..Well said..Atheism is madness without any basis for common sense.....I used to be one. I escaped back into reality.... That means there is hope....
shwminist 6 months ago
@shwminist Pray, tell us, what version of "reality" did you escape back into?
Xenophile665 5 months ago
@314julius The more I hear their explanations, The more I wonder why they don't realize they're beliefs are Based on Faith,
Very Far fetched beliefs at that !!! :-/
ncwdane 6 months ago
The creationist likes to mix biogenesis with evolutionary theory, claiming that no biogenesis theory disproves evolutionary theory. This is silly. An equivalent argument is that Copernicus had it wrong when he claimed the earth revolved around the sun because he did not have a good theory for how stars form. Heliocentric and evolutionary theory fit the evidence and made good predictions. Claim to know what you have evidence for. Admit when you don't. It's called intellectual honesty.
hiota45 7 months ago
@TheJesusKey The evidence is the fact that there's no verifiable evidence to show that anything supernatural even exists. Therefore the most logical position one can take is that it started by natural means as there hasn't been any evidence for the existence of anything that is supernatural. However if new evidence comes that proves us wrong, we will gladly change positions.
sunset261 7 months ago
This is Dawkins throwing you morons a bone. He states clearly that no one really knows. You however say that you do know and it is god. Did you even listen to him say the possibility is there that there is life advanced enough to do things you want but it would have to be explainable. Your god is not. It's funny that even when you think you are making an argument you are still making fools of yourselves. Keep up the crappy work christians. LOL
ptango101 7 months ago
@ptango101 if as you state that dawkins said "NO ONE REALLY KNOWS" how is he SO SURE it wasnt intelligent design...IF HE DOESNT KNOW......wow.....That dawkins kool aid must be awesome stuff, What an Idiot
shwminist 7 months ago
@shwminist It could be intelligent design but if you can't explain YOUR EXPLANATION for the intelligence then you have achieved nothing. Things looking designed isn't the same as them being designed. I'm pretty sure it's just not the god of the bible that christians want it to be though.
ptango101 7 months ago
@ptango101 ...Your athiest colors are shining through......"PRETTY SURE" ....rofl....Im pretty sure the sun is coming up tommorow ....Im pretty sure atheism is more supernatural than theism........Sounds like you have been sipping too much of the dawkins kool aid too...and I am preety sure about that...(too funny)...Do you and your idiot mentor dawkins realize how stupid you really sound....Thanks for the comedy I needed that laugh....Go smoke one for me...
shwminist 7 months ago
@shwminist So are you saying that the reality of the sun coming up tomorrow is just the same as your superstition about god? You can't be serious? I'll tell you what's as sure as the sun coming up tomorrow. Your inability to understand any argument that I would throw your way. Aren't you embarrassed by the amount of retardation done to your critical thinking skills caused by your adherence to the bronze age myths of second rate religious dogma.
ptango101 7 months ago
@ptango101 I offered no explanation and didnt offer anything to explain as you put it....It wouldnt matter if I did, How much evidence would you need, 1, 3, 5 , 10...How much would be enough?...as a former atheist who majored in Science (and common sense), (not following blindly like a sheep up dawkins butt) who FINALLY realized that Science itself proves a creator , search for yourself, Escape the madness of the insanity called atheism... Reality awaits...
shwminist 7 months ago
@shwminist How much evidence would I need?? How about just one piece that isn't fallacious, based on how warm and fuzzy, what's being said, makes you feel inside and a bunch of personal experiences that can only be commented on by you. Do you just blindly follow the likes of Stein, Craig and any other douche bag christian who sounds good on the day? ""reality awaits" LMFAO
ptango101 7 months ago
@shwminist Are you really going to say that you know how it all began and it was the god of your particular religion?? Seriously what good is anything you people do. Look at Stein! He's an idiot with no Idea about the subjects he is trying to debunk.
Please outline LOL...the SCIENCE..bahaahaha.. that proves your creator. This I have got to hear.
ptango101 7 months ago
@shwminist Well said!
314julius 6 months ago
@shwminist How are you so certain that there are no leprechauns? That the Flying Spaghetti Monster didn't create the universe? That the Sun isn't god? You aren't. But you're certain enough, right?
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours." Stephen F. Roberts
Xenophile665 5 months ago
@TheJesusKey "Take things on faith?" Whose faith? The Mormons? The Muslims? The ancient Egyptians? Yours? Ridiculous beliefs are ridiculous. "Faith" doesn't make them valid.
Xenophile665 8 months ago
@TheJesusKey Unless you are telepathic, you cannot state that with certainty. I am an atheist, but I do not know that there is a god. And I don't hold that opinion just to avoid "obeying a higher power." I admit that I don't "Know" if there is a god, but I'll hold that opinion until the theists come up with some verifiable evidence to support the assertion that a god(s) exists.
Xenophile665 8 months ago
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@TheJesusKey What? Take a logic class so you make sense.
You are the dumb shit telling us your Jesus is a god. Prove it !
gregrutz 8 months ago
@TheJesusKey Dumb shit creatards always get shit backwards. Can't even tell the difference between religion and science. You must have some sexual disfunction, when was the last time you had a good fuck?
gregrutz 8 months ago
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gregrutz 8 months ago
@TheJesusKey what a dumb shit ! YOU make the claim a man named Jesus is a god. YOU make the claim. YOU can't prove it dip shit.
And I am not a atheist IDiot.
gregrutz 8 months ago
@TheJesusKey Atheists make no claims, Christians do. Atheists don't believe in any gods, just like you don't believe in any gods but one.
gregrutz 8 months ago
Since when is the intelligent designer an alien?!? It was God !!!!!!
Allah right? Ra?
gregrutz 8 months ago
No one knows. Religious people are nutjobs
TEHTYMEKITTEH1 8 months ago
But, he didn't admit to intelligent design in the way that was implied, obviously. O___o
It is fair enough to say there is a God, in fact I think it's a fantastic thing. However, it is stupid and ignorant to ignore facts placed in front of you, or deliberately misinterpret things for the sole purpose of misleading others.
You need to understand both sides of the argument to have a valid opinion, which is something creationists generally DO NOT. That's a serious problem.
teh1337meister 8 months ago
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TheSpartan2910 8 months ago
Frauds! He was answering a HYPOTHETICAL QUESTION about how life could have formed on Earth through guidance by intelligent beings.
Also, Stein is a hypocrit, because early in the documentary he denies that ID is stricly religious, but later on he ridicules the idea of panspermia or design by aliens. Since these are the only options in ID (divine or extraterrestrial intervention), he admits that ID is strictly religious after all.
M4ruta 8 months ago 2
@M4ruta; Stein is more than a hypocrite, he's a hypocritical whore willing to sell himself and any creditability his name once had to the highest bidder. Oh, and to see @HovindSeminarSet post this under the false banner (i.e. *Dawkins admits to ID*) is nothing more than simple *lying for Jeebus.* Ignorant fools, both.
MsGingergingercat 8 months ago
Good straw man fallacy here.
arori4 9 months ago
Atheist have an illogical, unscientific opinion, ideology, that's NOT supported by facts, evidence or science. It is just their opinion, a nihilist, materialist, naturalist, humanist world view, along with other man-made mental masturbation, circular false and flawed logic. This Atheist attempt to conflate science to their way of thinking is pure duplicity and hypocrisy. There is no way science can prove or disprove God and Atheism does not lead to deep thoughts or science. Death to Atheism!
geeflyboy 9 months ago
@geeflyboy Yeah dude, because believing in magical stuff there's no evidence for is so much more rational.
SoVvM 9 months ago
@geeflyboy
I hope you're sarcastic.
arori4 9 months ago
@geeflyboy By the same reasoning you could literally replace the word Atheist in your argument with Theist and make exactly the same point, which is immoral. I'm not an atheist, but I must say your comment does nothing but make you look bad - as well as ignorant of some fundamental values and ideals. I feel sorry for you.
teh1337meister 8 months ago
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Weissnung 9 months ago 2
What a shame to see a smart man like Ben Stein resort to disingenuous wordplay.
MunchyMcNipples 9 months ago
@MunchyMcNipples just watch the entire movie and you'll know
yosoydame 9 months ago