The Problem of Radical Islam: Hitchens, Nomani, Levy, Gerges

[Mikeybetts]

many muslims forget

A: for every one muslim killed by the west, four to six are killed by islamic terrorists.

B: Palestine was never an official state, it never had a government and all it has even been is a collection of farmers in land origionally stolen from the jews by muslims.

C: what about the slaughter of the Armenians in Turkey by the muslims? what about the millions of homosexuals, apostates and "blasphemers" murdered by muslims in the last 10 years alone?

[kramdoog]

The guy who takes up most of the conversation is a very ignorant, ill-informed commentator and it"s sad that his position goes unchallenged. Make no mistake Islam is the only religion that instructs violence as a doctrine and death for those that choose to abandon their belief.................. for it is written so it must be true

[MrRyan23xx]

No side is right, everyone suffers, such is the way of the world.

[HellRehab]

There's Hitchens undoubtedly drunk, in a table discussion with four sober people, and he still has the upper hand.

[jason61352]

Its about time people of different faiths start raping ISLAM lol

[shrek91053]

stop the jews and christians from blasting bombs in muslim lands and blame muslims

[citizenOfNowhere777]

Those speakers are so clueless to equate Taliban and Al-Queda. These people needs to listen to Imran Khan.

[halflifeproductionz]

unlivable, unbearable? i totally disagree with that.

[lafontaine13]

zakaria is twit

[Soundgarden8497]

fuck islam is just a cancer on the world

[Fattboy26]

There is no such thing as moderate islam or political islam or fundemental islam or extreme islam there is just islam. There are however muslims are are good people despite islam.

[shadowofears]

CNN is a Zionist Channel

[wadaledu]

islamic fusion of Williem Dafoe

[detahdomo]

@wadaledu hahaha

[NotAG4yName]

@wadaledu LOL

[MrJazzy1983]

Fawaz stands tall amid intellectual midgets like Hitchens and Nomani. For all those who have speant years studying academically social movements, Fawaz makes much more sense than others.

And most important of all he is not even a muslim.

[mihametl]

Why does the guy sitting next to levy look like a Romulan spy?

[TheYHBA]

STOP STEREOTYPING.The Guys name is Fawaz Gerges its clear he's not a Muslim.He is an Arab but not a Muslim. Search it before writing comment on a religion u don't know.

Islam condemns Terrorism, Proof(من قتل نفساً بغير نفس أو فساد في الأرض فكأنّما قتل النّاس جميعاً ومن أحياها فكأنّما أحيا النّاس جميعاً)Translate into(whoever kills a soul unless for a soul or for corruption [done] in the land-it's as if he had slain mankind entirely.And whoever saves one-it's as if he had saved mankind entirely)

[jailbreak8181]

: O <Mohammed the pole smoker

[44warjunkie]

Actually, Taliban fighters have been seen fighting in Bosnia and Chechnya in the 1990s. So what they said about the Taliban is wrong.

[IBMua]

The first french answering guy that tells about fascism is so right! Didn't look at this from his point of view before, but it's clearly correct! =)

[JLDoggard]

@IBMua Hitchens also draws the same parallel again and again when he mentions the subject. The "If you don't agree with us we'll kill you" mentality of fundamentalist Islam sounds pretty fascist to me.

[8496ricko]

"I don't wanna sat fascist" Why, Coz they ain't Anglo-Saxon Christian? What a dickhead.

[animaniacsify]

look at that muslim guy cant even say fascist, these so call moderate muslims who pretend to oppose radicalism is actually defending them. Most moderate muslim will NEVER FULLY CONDEMN the acts of terrorism. they will just say we dont support what they are doing BUT we understand why they are doing it. its always we ... but.

[ahmedeox]

Since the 7th century the Islamic empire has been expanded by sword. I'm pretty sure there have been moderate muslims throughout this time, but they haven't had any word to say(Except maybe for the Golden Age of Islam)

[dabangg83]

Hitchens got owned by Gerges

[ZobaK1]

Levy is right, sorry mate!

[vicmoheen]

bomb bomb bomb

[musepigg]

You can always tell if someone is an idiot if they are yelling to get their point across.

[JonDavidson]

When Hitchens dies, a hugely important voice for sanity and truth  warning us religious fanatics and calling out their lies will be gone; meanwhile, there will be billions of fanatics willing to lie and say they are peaceful, while committing atrocities around the world. And no-one brave enough to stand up to them.

[redryan20000]

fareed's teeth are almost as big as tony robbins'

[stockinettestitch]

@redryan20000 LOL--God I know.  This guy is so creepy looking.

[chrisrajive]

muslims do not see this life on earth as the one true life but a trial to see if they are good enough to live in islamic heaven with mohammed and allah..that is why they are so willing to sacrifice themselves and harm others ...because they belive in doing so they are doing mohhamed and allahs work and will be rewarded.

[nyscholartist]

@chrisrajive That is absolute drivel. Yes, believing Muslims espouse a notion of reward in heaven (just like Jews and Christians). But to become a shaheed (witness/martyr) doesn't require strapping a bomb to one's chest and blowing up as many innocent people as possible. This is a novel historical development. The suicide bomber belongs to the modern Western tradition of armed conflict for the defence of a free political community.

[nyscholartist]

@nyscholartist To save the nation (or to found its state) in confronting a dangerous enemy, it may be necessary to act without being bound by ordinary moral constraints. This is an important insight. Moreover, one can become a shaheed by falling off of a high mountain, being dismembered by wild beasts, or being killed without engaging in combat in a war. Thus, it is illogical to trace all militant violence in the name of Islam to the desire to be matryred and thereby rewarded in Paradise.

[nyscholartist]

@chrisrajive To take suicide bombing as sacrifice is to load it with a significance that is derived from a Christian and post-Christian tradition. The Qur'an doesn't make explicit use of the word shahid to mean someone who dies in God's cause. The verse cited in support of it (9:52) speaks of husnayayn, the two best things, a phrase meaning either victory or death in God's cause. The concept of istishhad as a technique of jihad in which the combatant kills himself is an entirely modern idea.

[pmoyer50]

@chrisrajive : I know that God and Jesus will be in Heaven but . . . . .

[camzidan]

@chrisrajive; I agree with you but you are missing the point Why should American tax payer dollars go to fight Taliban who never orchestrated attacks on US like Al-quida did? I think Taliban should be left alone in shit hole caves to do what ever they want. Osama is dead we should get the hell out from there. Why the heck should USA take responsibility for the entire world. How about sorting Mexico drug cartel out? they are in our backyard...send our marines there.

[786swe]

@camzidan America is fighting Taliban because Taliban wouldn't do business with America. Taliban wouldn't let US use Afghanistan to build pipeline carry gas from central Asia.  US wants another government that they can do business with but Pakistan won't let that happen. So Afghan civilians are screwed. Such is the wold we live in.

[nyomythus]

@786swe Pure fantasy.

[lololololol47]

@786swe Simply untrue Afghanistan has already made its first oil deal with China sorry your lies aren't true no matter how much you wish it

[chrisrajive]

oh and btw...what happens when muslims kill other muslims?..they blame it on everyone ELSE..never themselves...bomb goes off in pakistan..oh its the hindus,jews and americans fault...just because they dont put bombs under our beds does NOT make them peaceful...are you saying a cleric who calls for the head of the infidels but never actually kills anyone is peaceful?

[chrisrajive]

No there is NO moderate islam...muslims follow the koran because they believe it is the word of god..thier is no ambiguity...you either follow it or you dont..hence one group is true muslim and the other is not...we like to believe that the ones that dont plant the bombs are the "true" muslims and ignore the fact that when muslims blow people up they quote directly from the koran hence THEY are the real muslims

[lisab2008a]

You Mohammedans are all sick and are time bombs and that includes the so called "moderate Muslims". As long as they read that terrorist hand-book called the quoran and go to that terrorist nest called the mosques, they are like time bomb waiting to explode.

[charlesvan13]

Fahreed's point was weak.  The Taliban provided a willing base of opperations for al Qeada. That makes them co-conspirators.

[TheSGStandard]

"Defend Democracy!" Right on Frenchy!

[leptismagna10]

the thing about moderate muslims (or moderate of any religion for that matter) is that they are living proof: the less you take from your religion, the better.

[MojowidanAK]

this show is full of corrupt lies, the people following this need to wake up.

[StopTerrorism1]

Should Israel NUKE Mecca?

[hakacumakac]

@StopTerrorism1 Israel should NUKE YOU !!!

[StopTerrorism1]

@hakacumakac You're just prejudice against NUKING Mecca. You're BIASED against NUKING Mecca.

[hakacumakac]

@StopTerrorism1 What r u writing about ?I don't understand u

[StopTerrorism1]

@hakacumakac You're biased against NUKING Mecca.

[goldstead]

What are you guys rambilg about - 911 is the greatest HOAX in all history - NOTHING to do with crazy muslim terrorists. having stated that, religion is the greatest FRAUD in all history and Islam is the biggest virus and threat to civilisation.

[samsabruskongen]

@goldstead 911 a hoax? *facepalm* 

[kybelian]

There's a lot I agree with Hitchens on about religion. However his MiddleEastern position is very Judeo-Christian Imperialist and wrongheaded. His rants against Islam are no different than Jerry Falwell's except for the homosexual element within it. He's a typical Chickenhawk. Opposed to war when young enough and now calling for perpetual war when too old to serve.

I am no fan of Islam but the US is the reason for Jihad's rise with wrongheaded decisions and faithbased support of Israel.

[mysticman07]

@kybelian Glad to see someone writing about the truth!!!

[kybelian]

Stop associating Islam with Fascism.

[jagemobe]

the taliban, though they may have gone on record saying they're not interested in global domination, isn't, in fact, endemic to their ideology, but a reflection of their understanding of the scope of their own powers. If they had nukes or other wide-ranging power,, they'd be the new hitler. It is their islamic imperative, according to their interpretation.

[you2ubeist]

this man starting with a lie , so where is next video I'm looking for 

[HaligonianType1]

PBUH (Peace Be Upon Hitchens)

[pigment777]

@HaligonianType1 Hahahaa... So great!!! Peace Be Upon Hitchens

[countertreason]

I'm tired of 'moderate Islam'; too many adherents of this doctrine appear to be cowardly versions of the extremists. They justify the actions of radical Islam (citing the offenses of the west, etc.), but simultaneously state that even though us whites are genocidal, decadent savages who will destroy the world, they do not support the killing of us. Fuck that. I almost prefer extremists, they are just plain wrong. Too many 'moderates' are not only wrong, but fucking shameless cowards.

[MrJohnnyrace]

Sharia Laws are barbaric and inhuman. The human rights abuses in Iscum are vile and discusting. They treat woman as property and murder homosexuals. Watch out for the European Islamic Council. First they ban free speech and then perform human rights abuses.

[nyomythus]

The moderate Muslims are the ones that the radical Muslims are blowing up -- yes these moderates are our friends and allies and we stand by them against the extremist.

[ScottKeith7025]

@nyomythus Then... the best thing you can do for a Muslim is free him/her (especially her) from the shackles of Islam.

[akuaaron]

@nyomythus pffft, only difference between a moderate and a extremist, is the moderate, hasnt commited the murder in his heart yet! Dont confuse the two! Where the fuck are the "moderates" condeming, the extremists acts that are commited EVERY DAY?! Moderate?! Get a clue, Northen alliance are our allies in Afghan yeah? They helped over throw the Taliban? So when some one converts to christianity,or just leaves islam, and both sides want them dead for apostasy...Tell me which is moderate!?!

[nyomythus]

@akuaaron I dunno let's ask their mothers

[machngunjoe]

@nyomythus yes yes, I would say any moderate is not someone who would blow people up it kind of defeats the definition, radicals of any kinda are usually the ones to blow people up.

[pac6010]

@nyomythus LoL, Why should we stand by them ? Before we got there what did they do to stop radicals, not a damn thing. Even moderate Muslims still live in another world with little human rights and freedoms. Even the moderate Muslims will stand up and tell you they don't like outsiders in their lands. They are nothing like us. Truce...ya sure, stop all the killing. Be friends....Never gonna happen. Not because we don't want to be, but because their culture and religion wont allow it.

[nyomythus]

@pac6010 Say it's a loss to the world and cry me a river-- but you don't know what you're talking about.

[sadeek469]

@nyomythus Well it is you who lick your shoes are good and who reject to be American puppet are Extrimist

The true is that All the American are the most barberic people . the want to kill every one who dont like American.

your days are close . The rasie of china is the fall of USA then come and lick our dicks and we will not fuck ur ASS at that time.

[nyomythus]

@sadeek469 we'll nuke it, babe

[phezla]

@nyomythus radical muslims blow up other radical muslims, too... are those our friends as well?

[Bilalkahmad]

@satlanski2 Why you all cry??!!!...

[F33bs]

@satlanski2 There is moderate Islam, and saying there isn't is giving all the benefit to the extremists.

[dan012345]

@F33bs There is, but it ignores a large amount of the religion. That to me says it's wrong. I don't agree with the extremists views, but I understand them often moreso than the actions of 'moderate' islam.

[F33bs]

@dan012345 So what? I'm not interested in what they believe, I'm interested in how they act in society. I couldn't care less what Islam says, as long as its adherents don't break the laws.

[dan012345]

@F33bs The problem is that this 'moderate' islam is creating extremism due to its lack of adherence to the word of the Qur'an. I must stress the point again that I don't condone the behaviour of said extremists, quite the opposite, I do however feel that moderate Islam is a causing factor.

[kybelian]

@satlanski2 You are wrong. Moderate Muslims include those people who make an outward appearance of Islam because its the social norm. However Arabs and those within countries with Islamic majorities are becoming radicalised because of actions by the US which confirm what Islamists are claiming to be true.

[kybelian]

@satlanski2 Did you know Muslim Arabs whether Sunni or Shia do not consider the Alawites of Syria to be 1) Arabs and 2) Muslims? And yet the Alawite Baathist government is on the regime change list. They are the descendants of the Greeks Selucids and other peoples who predated the Arab Islamic conquest of Syria. So if the US succeeds in regime change to overthrow Assad and the Syrian Baathists either Shia or Sunnis will replace the Alawites just as happened in Iraq and in Gaza with HAMAS.

[kybelian]

@satlanski2 Obama could have given Moderates in the Arab-Muslim world the weapons they needed to destroy Islamist but instead followed the same Zionist path which is the root cause of this struggle. You want to defeat Jihadists? Then prove them wrong. You have underestimated Muslims due to Hubris and racist contempt. Do you know there are White converts to Islam who will pass any racial profiling test? Prove them wrong and Moderates will defeat them.

Thats the only way.

[kybelian]

@satlanski2 OPEC is Jihadist. And yet Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and the UAE are favourite allies? How many times has it been mentioned all the 911 group were Saudis? How many deals are made with Saudis and the UAE? The truth is there you just refuse to see it.

You went along with Zionist nutcases to isolate Yassir Arafat allowing HAMAS to takeover. Arafat ran a secular movement and kept HAMAS and Islamic Jihad in check until the US went out its way to make him appear weak.

[kybelian]

@satlanski2 Did you know Christians were in the PLO? Did you know a Christian was one of the 2 founders of the Baathist party? And what of the Communists in Yemen and Iraq? Dont hear much from them? Ignorance like yours is whats fueling Jihad and radicalising Arabs and others towards agreeing with Al Qaida.

Hitchens is a total Fool on this subject. Atheist and Christians could walk the streets in Iraq in total safety. What about now? His kind are the reasons for the rise of Jihadists.

[CopticLovesUSA]

@satlanski2

There is moderate Islam - these are the muslims who have no idea about what their Quran is asking of them. Once they pass this learning curve, this is when the problem happens.

THe problem is the god of Islam. I think the average mustapha has more morals, responsibilities and values more than his own god.

[nyscholartist]

@CopticLovesUSA The Qur'an doesn't ask of Muslims anything more or less barbaric than what the Bible asks of Jews and Christians. Yahweh is infinitely more cruel, sadistic, and tyrannical than Allah by any moral standard. Some modern Israeli soldiers do feel compelled to act on injunctions to destroy the enemy tribe (i.e. the Palestinians) and the war on Iraq which killed millions was launched as a "mission for God" and a Crusade.

[shomzabe]

@nyscholartist

Couldn't agree with you more. But you're trying to make sense to people who lack it. Those people are not in it for a debate or to learn something, They have a deeply seated hate toward Muslims and Islam long before 9/11.They're the equivalent of Muslim extremists in their irrationality.I also agree with you on the Bible, for no other book would match its violence or cruelty to humanity.

[nyscholartist]

@CopticLovesUSA Yet somehow the millions killed in those conflicts by Jews and Christians are ignored. It is wrong to think of Muslims as peculiar characters who emerge seamlessly from their religious texts and narratives or as "moderates" who happen not to be acting on the violent injunctions of their holy book. Militant Muslims are incorrectly re-interpreting their religion to permit the killing of innocent civilians (something the Bible encourages during the slaughter of the Amalekites) ...

[nyscholartist]

@CopticLovesUSA But their militant readings of the religious texts are occasioned only by the perception that they are politically oppressed and disenfranchised by a particular enemy. This is precisely why even Bin Laden very clearly stated in an interview that his war was not against "the West," that he was not interested in attacking, say, Sweden, and that he concentrated his efforts on removing American and allied forces from Muslim lands. It is silly to reduce the problem to this or that god

[HULLOHULLO15]

@satlanski2 HERE HERE!!

[BARCACROSSESTHEALPS]

People like Levy are Frances only chance to retain it's earlier character.

[FightDPower]

Hitchens = BADASS!!!!!!!

[kybelian]

@FightDPower How? He's completely clueless on the issue of Afghanistan and Iraq. His element is having religious debates on Christian and Islamic intrusion on civil and constitutional rights in the West. On Iraq his position is what help establish an Iran Islamic Republic Satellic in Baghdad. Hussein was a Secularists. Ask Chaldeans and Assyrians about how things were under the Baathists and how it is now under a Shia dictatorship pretending to be a western democracy.

[kybelian]

@FightDPower And whats so BADASS about Hitchens?  He's a typical Chickenshit Chickenhawk who was a Pacifist when of military age and a strong critic (so he says) of the Vietnam War and now he's too old to fight he is calling for a Crusade against Islam. Yes, the Atheist is calling for a Crusade.

[JonDavidson]

@kybelian..... dude. What did Hitchens do to you?

Three whole paragraphs ripping in him?

What is badass about Hitchens is that he reads and reads and researches before he opens his mouth, then calls out the lies others throw out that are disprovable by facts and research. You're the one putting this "delusions of Oscar Wilde" crap on him.

By the way, what the hell do you expect him to do? Join the military parachute into Iraq?? He has earned his right to speak.

You haven't.

[kybelian]

@FightDPower And I am not condemning Hitchens because he's an Atheist. I have not said one negative word about Dawkins. Hitchens is a Punk Chickenhawk with delusions of being the 2nd Coming of Oscar Wilde. He is in the US because he knows Americans will be spellbound with his English accent and wit just like they were with Wilde. Especially if he uses simple minded patriotic dribble to please your egoes. He is a fraud.

[kybelian]

@FightDPower Never trust Chickenhawk. He is just like John Wayne. During WW2 Wayne wanted to go to Mexico to avoid the Draft! He then made a bunch of cowboy and army movies as a hero when the real heroes like James Steward or a Gregory Peck went to the war and fought. then when Wayne was too old he began calling Draft-Dodgers 'traitors' and giving speeches about fighting the Communists in perpetual war.

Hitchens is the same. He wants a Crusade only because he's too old to fight in it.

[kybelian]

@FightDPower Oh and he has a hard time understanding how Israel is a theocracy since he claims no such place should be allowed nuclear weapons.

[timm9]

@FightDPower Hitchens is dying.

[TacticalShinobi]

@FightDPower Hitchens=dumbass

[44warjunkie]

@FightDPower Hitchens said nothing wrong there. Why should we differentiate between terrorists and people who harbor them? If someone commits a crime in the West and you decide to hide them in your house, aren’t you an accomplice subjugated to the same punishment?

[45erwx7]

Russia doesn't exist.

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[heal2012]

Watch 'The Power of Nightmares' on google video.

[RaelSpice]

HItchy baBE marry me...................

[iLuvSPH]

People are too eager to talk. It's so annoying hearing people talk over each other, or two to three people start talking as soon as someone finishes.

If I were on a debate-style discussion show, I wouldn't talk until addressed by the host. You could accuse me of being a boring pundit- but at least I wouldn't be a rude, loudmouthed, "LET ME TALK" know-it-all

[IIIIIIII]

I agree. I much prefer debates with moderators, or a talk-show like Charlie Rose, where the host actually allows the person to speak with very little interruption.

[Peripatetic5]

Charlie Rose? Very little interruption...?

[sniffysmooth]

Damn straight, bitches!

[yamuboy]

I think the whole clip is 17 mins long. Fareed's page on CNN has the entire clip. Google it!

[ninetygnyc]

where is the entire interview?

[pml4010]

post more - i had to leave midway into the show.

[Aegialeus]

Hitchens ROCKS!!!