@kilohercio, si tú mismo lo dices: solo el 31,29% del censo aprobó la constitución. De todas formas, la gente muere y nace y no vamos a estar per secula seculorum con las leyes de 1978, digo yo.
Belin2323, la Constitución fue aprobada en referendum en el País Vasco en 1978. Los resultados torales fueron : SÍ: 31,29%, NO: 10,85%, BLANCOS: 3,37%, ABSTENCIÓN: 54,49%. Con estos resultados, el 68,7% de la gente que fue a votar aprobó la Constitución.
Por lo tanto, la Constitución FUE APROBRADA por el pueblo de Euskal Herría.
By the way, many of the Constitution non voters were not for independence but, on the other side, due to the posibility the Constitution opened to the integration of Navarre in Euskadi. Many of those abstentionists founded some time later the UPN, Navarre People Union, a pro-spanish party that doesn't want independence nor the takeover of Navarre by Euskadi. They have ruled Navarre for many years now. You always try to change the history.
When Mr Kevinwilliamson says "Spanish police" he's speaking about the Ertzaintza, the basque police. The point is that anything different from their ideological thoughts is fascist & spanish. The point in the basque area is that a minority are trying to impose, no matter how included bombs and plumb bullets, their false ideas.
The problem is Kevin is a self-appointed victim. He lives a middle class comfortable lifestyle in a liberal democratic country. Yet this isn't enough for him, he wants the left wing primitivist romanticsm of "victim" or "opressed" status. They're all the same, this is their mindset. Steeped not in reality, but a crankish death fetish fantasy. One day, the boy who cried wolf will be opressed for real and nobody will come to his call.
Pues sí. los gritos son violencia. Fíjate: Seguro que si un nazi grita en Guernica "Viva la división Condor" os sentíriais "violentados" y con razón. Tienes que enteder que decir gora a una organizacion que lleva mas de 900 muertos a sus espaldas y que ha provocado un exilio de miles de personas es, cuanto menos, violento para mucha gente...
El que tiene q hacer aqui los deberes, creo q eres tu! ninguno de ahi a matado a nadie quizas ni sepas pq era manifestacion, pero bueno sigue con tu paranoyas mentales y desinformando a extranjeros, q se os da muy bien eso
por aqui hay mucho español k no tiene ni idea y parece k no le da vergüenza demostrar su ignorancia respecto a la ertzaintza y lo q ocurre en Euskal Herria,como bien han dicho la ertzaintza recibe ordenes de Lakua,pero es q este,las recibe desde Madrid y lo obedecen aun q no esten de acuerdo.
Por otro lau...q la ertzaintza es vasca?¿? teoricamente si,pero sus mandos superiores si no estais enteraus por la ley española deben ser o guardias civiles o militares.ANTES DE HABLAR,ENTEREMONOS!!gracias
Los mandos de la Ertzaintza son españoles, pero no vienen de Madrid. Si vinieran de Madrid la Ertzainza arrestaria a alguien, como el resto de policias del mundo.
Que puta mierda de video es este?? me caguen la puta dicen que los maltratan. Yo haria cosas peores con ellos! Yo si que seria un genocida. Dar gracias de que el gobierno de españa es democratica porque si vivierais en un regimen fascista como el de Hitler, tenddriais la bokita bien cerrada. Al puto ingles que subio este video: Viva la independencia de escocia!!!
Probablemente el ingles que subio este video querria la independencia de escocia, de la misma forma que mis amigos de Alicante, quieren la independencia de Euskal Herria, hay muchos españoles que quieren independecia del pais vasco, por otra parte, estoy de acuerdo contigo, viva la independencia de escocia!! y Gora euskadi askatuta!!!
No teneis ni idea de lo que pasa aqui, los de ETA os han lavado el cerebro y os habeis creido sus trolas. Como lo de Juana Chaos, que es un hijoputa que tendria que estar picando piedra el resto de su miserable vida y lo han tomado por un martir... ignorantes. Solo Navarra fue independiente, no hubo nunca un pais vasco. Cataluña tampoco, fue de Aragon o Francia, depende del momento.
ETA sucks. It isn't a socialist GANG, it's completely fascist!!!
es muy fácil quitarle la razón al contrario diciendo que está loco o que es un asesino, fácil y gratuito.
Precisamente la creación de un estado vasco de nombre Euskal Herria se basaría en la propia Navarra como estado y la cultura vasca que impera en esos territorios, de ahí el hecho de que sea imposible llegar a ningún acuerdo de importancia para este proyecto si no se incluye a Navarra.
Ahora a los medios les resulta rentable llamarlo a todo mafia fascista... quien fue a hablar...
Yo he hablado de ETA, no de Euskal Herria, no cambies mis palabras.
Segundo, quieren meter a Navarra en Euskal Herria, cuando la mayoria de los navarros no esta de acuerdo. Esta muy bien lo de la cultura vasca, pero entre eso y la independencia, hay un trecho. Si nos encerramos en las culturas locales solo tenderemos al aislamiento entre pueblos.
Ademas, Navarra no es independentista como el pais vasco, sino foral.
Ah y ETA al usar la violencia ha perdido la razon (si la tenia, cosa aparte)
The have their own police in the Basque country, the "ertzaintza". The spanish police has no presence there. You should change the name of the video, maybe to "Basque police attacks..."
From my point of view, the ertzaintza is as spanish as can be, always trying to stop peaceful events like the one which appears in the video by the use of rubber balls, so I agree with the name of the video. If you have been in Euskal Herria, you should know that "Ertzaintza española!" is a well known chant
The ETA terrorists and co. also refers to the National Basque Party - founders of basque nationalism and fathers of batasuna - as "españoles"...but only when they disagree with their policy.
The Ertzaintza has nothing to do with the central government of Madrid, it only depends on the decisions of the basque autonomous goverment. This video and the messages supporting it are sheer disinformation following to confound ppl.
Ya que por lo que veo somos todos españoles te lo voy a decir en español. El estado español ataca un pacifico evento vasco, como titulo del video es de coña. La erzaintza es vasca y los que ordenan la carga son vascos. No metas al estado español en esto, porque no tiene nada ver. A ver si ahora todo lo que es malo, lo es por provenir de españa. Al paso que vamos, hasta la tortilla española va a ser un instrumento represivo. Saludos desde andalucia.
La Ertzaintza recibe habitualmente órdenes de Madrid, ya sea directamente o mediante intermediario en Lakua, y no estoy de acuerdo con que la Ertzaintza sea íntegramente vasca... nos llevaríamos muchas sorpresas analizando la procedencia de muchos de sus miembros...
La tortilla de patatas es algo que nos gusta mucho, a un servidor por ejemplo.
jajajajaja tu xabala lo flipas. Ahora resulta que la ertzaintza recibe ordenes de madrid jajaj. Por favor, ven a madrid y veras la diferencia entre alli y aqui.
Look the video at 0:41. A boy smiles to the cam and shows his tongue. Is this a moment of tension? No, it is a moment of fun. Everything takes place as they expect: they are provoking the police, the police charges, they record everything and they play the victim. Why don't they show the extortions to the businessmen? or the threatens to those who disagree with them? They do not believe in democracy.
The Spanish state waging a struggle against fascist independence in Vascongados, terrorists are using human rights that they do not comply to harass the Basque citizens, who mostly feel Spanish.
Desde cuando las manifestaciones en Euskadi son pacificas? Les contais a los extrangeros lo que haceis con las personas que no opinan igual que vosotros? ASESINOS ES LO QUE SOYS.
Well, maybe one thousand killed people by ETA its a good reason for keeping Basque Country whith us, in Spain. By chance, a incredible beautiful country. Visit us, you will be welcome.
If you want a moral reason, go to de cementeries and read the name and age of all the people those criminal people have killed in the name of independent.
But why not let the Basque people have a free, fair and honest referendun on whether or not they wish to be independent or remain part of Spain? Why not give the Basque people a chance to choose? I don't see the harm in allowing the Basques the right to decide their political future. This is not automatically an endorsement for independence but simply an acknowledgement of the right of the Basque people to choose for themselves.
Its easy. In Basque Country there is not fredoom. You can not speak about political ideologies not even in the small villages, but in the big ones. The abertxales has become furious people and very dangerous. They forced for example the impuesto revolucionario to the busniess people.
The same Franco did its what they do now. who dont think what they think is an enemy. Easy, simple. Not independence for Murcia, Madrid, Pais Vasco or Badajoz. They are part of Spain, the same thing.
Yes, of course. Every four year you have two, where you can choose your own lendakari and your onw national govermente president. Dont you go to vote? Oh, you are not of the democratic ones.
sorry, with a nick name like yours, nothing taht you say can be worth to hear....ignorant!!! are you basque??noo, so why is this hole thing important to you???sorry....to your king. NO ETA; NO SPAIN; NO FRANCE!
Dios, patria y fueros was the motto of the 'Carlista Party', tout court the basque nationalism (PNV) antecessors...And they took their name from Carlos VII, aspirant to the spanish throne.
There are no current political democratic options to move forwards the rigth to self determination. The constitution negotiated with the dictatorship elites is a lock.
That is why the workers and the peoples have to overcome the legal status protected by the army, the police and the mass media.
In the Basque Country there is no democracy, but a state of siege.
anda corred perros etarras hijos de puta, que sois todos unos malnacidos, mamones iros a trabajar pedazos de mierda con patas, me cago en vuestra patria de mierda y en vuestra sangre de anormales deformada por siglos de follaros a vuestra misma familia que sois como perros.
Alguien dice que no hay ley para impedir la independencia de ESPAÑA! jajaa primero
Jerarquia normativa, La C.E. Por encima de todas las leyes. Articulo segundo de la C.E. La unidad e indisoluvilidad de la patria española! que se independicez, que entre el ejercito ESPAÑOL y haga una limpieza como la del 36 jajajajaja que alegria!!
People from other countries. Dont get lied from this mother fuckers terrorist. ETA are assasins, and his "peace" events are shit against SPAIN. Vascos etarras hijos de puta, os pillo aki en madrid diciendo eso y os arranco la cabeza. Me cago en euskalerria de mierda y en vuestras putas madres.
to my friends the Basque people... save your ancient identity before it is completely absorbed into ferdinand and isabela's nightmare of historical revisionism, simple-mindedness and intolerance...
Albanians are with you... since we two nations are all that is left of the ancient aborigine peoples of europe.
Bascs are free if they want to spain can do nothing,spain after 17/02/08 is in every way of the international law dead.There are no arguments where she can sustent their illegal rule.INDEPENDENCE NOW
today, kosovar albanians, descendants of the ancient Illyrian people, honor the peaceful efforts of our noble Basque brothers to achieve the realization of their will...
preservation of the last of the ancient voices of aborigine europeans cannot be stopped by the young cultures that rest on our shoulders.
Basque people are not terrorists, ETA people are, and they don´t deserve to be basque or spanish. They acts of a few make look bad to a mayority. ETA people are assasins.
well everybody should know what this poor victims would do to your self if they see you on the street with another point of vew.THEY WOULD BEAT YOU TILL DEAD OR THEY WOULD BURN YOU ALIVE AND IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO ESCAPE THE NEXT MORNING YOUR HOUSE WILL BE PAINTED AND YOU BETTER GO TO START YOUR LIFE SOMEWHERE FAR FROM THE BASQUE COUNTRY
This happens constantly in the streets of the Basque Country...and the only justification the fascists offer for that is the existance of ETA...But all those who suffer the torture and the police brutality are not members of ETA, but just basques and left wing people
This is exactly the kind of argument made by the spanish state: if you dare to talk against political repression you ara en ETA supporter. It looks like the "Bush doctrine": you can either support US government or be a terrorist.
The political problems can only be solved through political processes: self determination, free spech, dialogue.
Spanish state fascist state... youre confussed men.
Hve you live in spain?Are you Spanish?
Youre confussed wiht the spanish political status. Spain is most liberal country in europe now, till the only fasist organitatione in Spain in ETA and his political arm ANV.
Here in Ireland, allways we say that ETA is like the old UDA, Killers, terrorists.
Poor political culture what you have if you thnik "liberal" means democratic. That can only be solve through study.
But I´ll tell you something, The outlawing of entire political options, the prohibition of any movement that questions the ´78 Constitution negotiated with the old dictatorship, that is not a democracy.
PNV, Aralar, NaBai, Zutik, EA, Batzarre are basque nationalist/separatits political forces that are absolutelly legal in Spain for they don't support terrorism. The only illegal political party in Spain is the one that represents ETA. Spain is a democracy in spite of ETA.
Relax autonomx. The use of the word "liberal" in Spain dates from 1208 meaning "tolerant" and "generous". In the first decade of the XIX century this word was used in Spain in reference to politicians opposed to the conservative (absolutist) forces. In fact, we call to our 1812 spanish constitution the liberal one, and it was the effort of liberals fightin against the absolutist ideas, and in favor of the revolutionary ones derived from the recent french revolution.
Years after this word will be common in France, England, etc...By the way, Sabino Arana, the founder of the Basque Nationalist Party (PNV) was a radical anti-liberal. As a matter of fact, one of the things that fueled the rise of nationalism in the Basque Country was the fear to socialism and related revolutionary ideologies... As to "the outlawing of entire political options" just read the saturdayboy answer to your post.
"The political problems can only be solved through political processes: self determination, free spech, dialogue."...This is that most of the people in Spain wants but ETA killers
Just to explain, I have been to the Basque country and witnessed their protests, they are always peaceful, they demonstrate by shouting, clapping and whistling it is loud and peaceful. The Spanish police respond by shooting directly at the marchers.
A ti la unica que te va a momer tu polla sarnosa es tu puta madre mientras yo le destrozo el culito. Recuerdas igual que cuando se la comias a tu papa.... jajaja infeliz! Entrate de la fiesta antes de decir babosadas.
Many people here have no idea about Basque Country. Celts and Basques linked each other?!?! that's sacks!! Basques are linked to Berebers from North of Africa. They try to change the history, they are fascism.
Yes, I do, Basque root DNA is linked Berebers'. Basque DNA is the most similar European DNA to Berebers' DNA.
You should know Basques are the real Iberians. And the second one DNA more similar to Basque DNA is DNA of the rest of Spain, specially from South of Spain.
hehehe, You just know to say nonsenses, you have no idea to explain or have an argument, you have a profile of killer like ETA killers, they are animals like you. I guess you feel inferior to rest of people, only this people write or speak like you or like ETA .
hehehe, You just know to say nonsenses, you have no idea to explain or have an argument, you have a profile of killer like ETA killers, they are animals like you. I guess you feel inferior to rest of people, only this people write or speak like you or like ETA .
There are 'a few' nationalist parties in the Basque. The PNV is the worst thing that ever happen to Euskal Herria. They've strangled their people and their culture for the sake of commercialism and personal interest. The second bigest problem is that the majority of the Basques are dumb enough to vote for them 'because it is tradition'. Very sad...
we have to kill all the police!! they are the opresors of the Basque country, EUSKAL HERRIA!! BORROKAN JARRAITUKO DUGU HERRIAREN NAHIA BETE ARTE!! EUSKAL HERRIA ASKATU!! EUSKAL PRESOAK EUSKAL HERRIRA!! ez ditugulako hemen nahi, txakurrak kanpora!!! Herriaren zapaltzaileari Herriaren erantzuna!! ZIPAIOAK ENTZUN: PIN! PAN! PUN!!!!!!!!!!!
thats very interesting...but it isn`t a official affirmament. thanks ireland because you want the freedom for the vasques :-)i cant ignore laucher only because he has got a other opinion. AUPA GU TA GUTARRAK.
sorry laucher, you are a normal italian. and i never say that only bilbainos are normal because i dont live in bilbao. you shouldent be sure we arent celtics because anyone is sure from where came the vasques. some people think that our language has some parentesco with the caucasian languages. why do you think we are your old brothers celticcorn? it`s interesting reading different versions
Titatitirita ignore launcher,what does he know of being oppressed,he comes from a unified country where there is nobody calling for independence.Its very easy for him to judge other peoples desire for freedom when he already has his.He does not know what it is to be oppressed.he is an idiot if not racist to say that there is not a Basque culture I can assure you that the people of Ireland support Basque independence
emm i am not justifying ETA.t they are killers. but we want to be independende.anyway you cant understand that feeling. want and if you dude it launcher, we have got a culture and it is true that it is very old. they are finding very old thing of the vasques in iruña beleia. the irrintziz, the dances, txalaparta, aixkora, sokamuturra... it isnt a culture? really i think you have the razon i cant teach you because i am 14 yers old...but saying we havent got a culture is terrible.
Listen titatitirita, I read your pm yesterday and I'm sure you're a good guy, but you're only 14. You'll probably see things in a different way when you're 36 so I am. You are free to think whatever you want, but I'm free as well. You cannot say that I'm not normal just because I don't live at Bilbao.
Launcher it was very childish of you to point out bad grammer. You must have been in loyalist areas where you will see the British flag. Next time you are over come to West Belfast where you will see the Basque flag flying proudly alongside the Irish tricolour! I never said i would kick your ass i said it is possible it would happen if you came here saying such ignorant comments!!!!!!!!
laucher, you can also come to the basque country to see we arent a child killers and see our culture. one of the oldest cultures in europe. and in ( france) britain they like a lot our flag because it is in all the sites.
Thanks for your invitation titatitirita. Much better now. I (we) knew you were a good guy. I've never been there, but who knows?. That is the actitude that avoids wars. Just one point more. I never said Basque people are killers, but ETA members and those who justify their actions. Obviously you're not one of them and I'm very happy for it.
Regarding you celticcorm... well. First thing my wife said while reading your post was "this guy isn't from Eire", you don't write like an Irish, you commit a lot of mistakes and your opinion is, at least, suspicious
Let me say something, I'm an soldier. I've been first in UNPROFOR, then in KFOR. I've seen a lot of hatred in those conflicts, lots of deads, lots of refugees. You don't have a fucking idea of what the hell is that. So, please, stop talking nonsense about opressed people.
Launcher now you doubt my nationality and my heritage,your ignorance and mow your wifes stupidity continues to surprise me. I'm from Anderstown west Belfast.The only way i can prove in Irish is if say "coupla focal as Gaelgae",Pog mo phoil Launcher. As for Lega Nord you got to be joking me,i did not realise that the Italian government is oppressing the people of Milan, lol
peaceful basque event?... YOU SUCK GUYS!!!, YOU ARE CHILDREN KILLERS!!! YOU HAVE KILLED MORE THAN 1.000 PEOPLE!!
Vasque country have been part of Spain for more than 500 years. It never has been independent and it will never be. Everything is a great lie forced by just 150.000 people from the 2.000.000 who live there.
but it is accepted that the basque country and language is the oldest culture in europe... can you tell me how you fit that into your idea of history?
Really??, who accept that?. I'm Italian and I know that the language(in fact the different kind of languages) is old. But the culture, WHAT CULTURE?????. You don't even have an idea of what culture means. In Italy we used to believe your lies, but... no longer. KILLERS!!
hey please don`t say we are the killers because spanish state tortured and killed a lot of basques and the KILLER IS ETA NOT THE BASQUE PEOPLE INDEPENDENCE YES ETA NO.... AUPA EUSKADI ASKATUTA
Spanish State has tortured a lot of basques?, really? How many?, when?, do you consider torture to put children killers on jail?, We don't believe your lies guys. Your attempt to appear as victims is pathetic. Any one of you who tries to justify ETA is a killer as well. Come to Milano and ask people on the street. 90% of the will say the same. KILLERS!!. Ah, and by the way, You have never been independent, and you never will. None European country would support your independece. Try to assume it
you arent normal. you are from italia and you are saying things that you dont know. i teach u: ETA was started when vasque people want to stop the killing in the vasque country. the guardia cibil didnt let people speaking euskara. if they do that in the street they tortured them. ETA help that people.
NOW is different ETA is a terrorist band who kill people but think that spanish are doing the same but they are bigger. the newspapers say only the things do eta but they "tapar" the true....ETA ONLY HELP PP BECAUSE ITS AN "ESCUSA" TO FUCK THE BASQUES.... sorry, my english isnt good
Launcher236 you are an idiot,you say that no European country suppots Basque independence,COme to Belfast and see all the Basque flags around my city.Keep your mouth shut because if you speak badly of our celtic brothers in the Basque country you will gat you ass kicked all the way back to Milan you ignorant fuck,the spaniards are fascists bastards and so are you you,what right does Madrid have to determine another peoples lives,Forza Glasgow Celtic,GORA EUSKAL HERRIA
Your celtic brothers from Basque Country??, hahaha. Basque people could be whatever you want, but for sure they are not celtics
I've been in Belfast 2 years ago with my wife (who, by the way, is from Dublin) and I didn't see many basque flags over there, was I in the wrong part of the city?
If you, such a mental dwarf, want to kick my ass back to Milano, will you come here personally to accomplish that task?
It's a pre-Celtic language and it is not Indo-European (which languages like Celtic, Latin, Greek, German, etc. are). The links the Basques share with the British and Irish date back long before the arrival of the Celtic culture to Ireland & Britain (though it's worth noting that the Celts also had a significant presence in the non-Basque regions of Spain).
The research adds to previous studies which have suggested a possible link between the Celts and Basques, dating back tens of thousands of years.
"The project started with our trying to assess whether the Vikings made an important genetic contribution to the population of Orkney," Professor David Goldstein of University College London (UCL) told BBC New
i find that and celticcorn it isnt inventing it. but i dont think you ot you wife are idiots because you have got clare your ideas. milano is in the nord of italy no? do you think la padania should be independent?
The spanish are fascist bastards? and who the fuck r u to say that? What right does Madrid have? well, as the Spanish "central government", it has the RIGHT to determine what is best for the whole of spanish people.
The Riot Police don't fire rubber batton Rounds, they are balls, in different colours, depending on how hard they are, the hardest are steel balls with a thin coat of rubber. pekador23, who the hell are you to say what the correct phrase is? One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Oh yes of course it illegal in the 'spanish democracy' to describe them as anything other than terrorists.
no, you are only a terrorist if you kill innocent people or support thos who kill people just for pollitical reasons...thats what happens in the basque country, a name which can be a bit confussing, but its just a region of spain and has never been independent from it...theres only one side killing and so one side dying so kevinwilliamson i dont know what the fuck youre talking about
"no, you are only a terrorist if you kill innocent people or support those who kill people just for political reasons.. " So therefore everyone who supports George Bush and Tony Blair are by definition terrorists. Thanks for the clarification, now you all go and hand yourselves in at you local CIA station for extraordinary rendition, torture and indefinite detention. Thank you and bye bye.
Well, where to start, I wish youtube provided us with more than 500 characters to express ourselves. 160newcrossroad. Now, I would like to accept ur point of view as a reasonable common sense based argument. But that would be impossible. Not only are u trying to question the Spanish democratic system, but u are also giving ur support to a left wing extremist terrorist group who murder civilians to prove a point. Pitiful.
Do not attempt to compare the actions of countries such as the US with what happens in Euskadi. Matters are completely different, ur just using a lame deviation strategy. It would be like saying if they jump of a bridge why can't we.
Whether the PP have accepted or not their defeat is besides the point. Whether part of their voters are of fascist descent is also beside the point. PSOE has communist descent voters. Lets live up to the present situation please. Btw I don't think u should go telling me how little I know about my country, especially if u start preaching that we live in a fascist state. Utter rubbish.
it is not the PP voters that I am concerned with, it is the members of parliment and those they appoint when in government who are direct Franquistas. Again a little more research. Voters are voters, they are you and me, thats not the point. BTW I was just quoting yourself. I live here too :)
Riot police as u seem to knw, fire riot ammo to break up riots, which is unlikely to cause casualties (as in any other country). Note that a riot is "a public act of violence by an unruly mob" (not a legal peaceful demonstration).
I have seen grevious injuries to people who just happened to be passing by Riot police on their way home from work. That is not legal or peaceful either. You know the police have no idents, they can do what they want, and the worst that will happen is a 50 euro fine for overstepping the line. Many think it worth the money to beat a protestor, or worse a passer by.
A terrorist, as u seem to NOT know, is one who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. On the other side a freedom fighter is a relativistic local term for those engaged in rebellion against an established government that is held to be oppressive and illegitimate.
Considering the Spanish government is anything but oppressive at the moment, and that it has been chosen by a majority of the population entitled to vote, ur argument has nowhere to stand on.
I have a great deal of respect for the current spanish government. Sadly the establishment, and their neo-nazi tactics still carry a lot of weight with the sheeple.
The Basque Country or Euskadi is not occupied by Spain. Spanish troops never invaded the region, it has always been Spain, since the origins of what we now know as Spain today. May I ask u to look up in an encyclopedia for the word Spain. You will see it is a country, comprised by a series of autonomous regions with local governments whom have powers within their region.
The basque country was occupied by Franco's troops, and amongst other things to speak basque was an act of treason. The definition of Spain being a collection of nations is the Spainish definition, may I politely request you do a little more research, and forget encyclopedias. Ironically the reconquista,the liberation of Spain from the Moores was launched from the Basque Country, so one might sat that 'spain' is in fact the basque country LoL :)
All of Spain was "occupied" by Franco's troops. Madrid and Valencia were the last cities to fall, after a long siege. Your definition of Spain as a "collection" of nations is 100% nonsense given that, for example, the term "euskadi" dates from the end of XIX century while the "Diocesis Hispaniarum", the first spanish administrative configuration, dates from the III century.
By the way, the reconquista was launched from Asturias, which included the basque lands. (h t t p : / / es. wikipedia. org/wiki/Imagen:Europe_814.jpg) .
well, you said "Ironically the reconquista,the liberation of Spain from the Moores was launched from the Basque Country, so one might sat that 'spain' is in fact the basque country"..which is really funny because no such thing as Basque Country has never existed until 1978, after the administrative division of the kingdom of spain in "autonomías"
by the way, you said that "Asturias did not exist in name nor region when the reconquista was launched, this is a well known myth"...sure that u are not our expert in history?...yo have a hard work to do by correcting this wikipedia text:
h t t p : // en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Kingdom_of_asturias
My definition of spain being a collection of bations is the same definition as used by the Spanish Government, but never mind, you clearly know everything. Can't argue with one who knows everything.
Of course, is hard to argue without arguments, not "with one who knows everything". Tha spanish Magna Carta (1978)"recognize and guarantees the right to autonomy of all NATIONALITIES and regions which integrate (the spanish Nation)..." Nationalities and not nations as you said...
On the other hand, the word "nationalities" is used, obviously, to give this text an etnic sense and not a political one...I stress this word's meaning in order to avoid further misinterpretations on your side.
quote wiki Alternative usage In several non-English speaking areas of the world, the cognate word for nationality in local language may be understood as a synonym of ethnicity, as nation can be defined as a grouping based on cultural self-determination rather than on relations with a state.
of course, as a matter of fact the political usage of "nation" arises only after the french revolution, when the king is replaced by "the people" (that is, the nation)as the holder of the sovereignty...even today the word "nation" keeps its ethnic sense...
jolly good, the wiki quote was quasi supporting your point, I am English speaking, so I don't use the alternative definition as you do :) As far as I can see we're posting in English.
yes, we are posting in english, but in spain ppl speak spanish and in spanish NACION and NACIONALIDAD have a very different significance - this is what i'm trying to explain - in the political sense, of course NATION too has a ethnic sense, which is previous - in time - to the politic one...
"perceptions", taken from the field of feelings and psicology - not something you suffer from at all now is it? By your definition of nation that is ALL it is :)
I call "perception" to your "vision" -"Spain, to me, is more like..."- of Spain, to underline its distance with the spanish reality, as defined, p. e., in our Magna Carta (1978). ETA killers or the "descendant of the Moores" can have their own vision of Spain - ETA killers haven't a vision of Spain, obviously -, but what it counts is what a majority of spaniards voted in 1978: in Spain we call that democracy.
(the spanish Nation) your addition I take it. Spain, to me, is more like a federation, large parts of the population don't even call themselves Spanish, and the decendants of the Moores still view Spain as a former colony.
..."is more like"...."don't call themselves"...."the Moores still view".../// ..only "perceptions", taken from the field of feelings and psicology...i see you like missing the point
The reason for a certain group of people being banned from taking up local council elections was not to attack freedom of speech, on the contrary, its to protect this freedom. In what country would proven terrorists or terrorist-linked people be allowed to run for elections? You should also take into account that these people have been banned by a jury, not the Spanish government.
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fjagainst 1 year ago
Zipaioak beti zipaio.
@kilohercio, si tú mismo lo dices: solo el 31,29% del censo aprobó la constitución. De todas formas, la gente muere y nace y no vamos a estar per secula seculorum con las leyes de 1978, digo yo.
Katxalot88 1 year ago
Belin2323, la Constitución fue aprobada en referendum en el País Vasco en 1978. Los resultados torales fueron : SÍ: 31,29%, NO: 10,85%, BLANCOS: 3,37%, ABSTENCIÓN: 54,49%. Con estos resultados, el 68,7% de la gente que fue a votar aprobó la Constitución.
Por lo tanto, la Constitución FUE APROBRADA por el pueblo de Euskal Herría.
kilohercio 1 year ago
By the way, many of the Constitution non voters were not for independence but, on the other side, due to the posibility the Constitution opened to the integration of Navarre in Euskadi. Many of those abstentionists founded some time later the UPN, Navarre People Union, a pro-spanish party that doesn't want independence nor the takeover of Navarre by Euskadi. They have ruled Navarre for many years now. You always try to change the history.
beramendi 1 year ago
When Mr Kevinwilliamson says "Spanish police" he's speaking about the Ertzaintza, the basque police. The point is that anything different from their ideological thoughts is fascist & spanish. The point in the basque area is that a minority are trying to impose, no matter how included bombs and plumb bullets, their false ideas.
beramendi 1 year ago
cuánta gente se abstuvo en esa votación sobre la constitución??en qué circunstancia se votó??
jotakeirabaziarte1 2 years ago 2
Referéndum sobre el Proyecto de Constitución 6 de diciembre de 1978
resultados por provincias.
Alava a favor 73.409 en contra 19.726
Gipuzcoa a favor 139.777 en contra 65.429
Vizcaya a favor 266.019 en contra 78.036
y si quereis mas,
Navarra a favor 182.207 en contra 40.804
¿qién dice que la constitución no fué aprobada en el País Vasco?
Ah, si claro, los radicales fuerón los que votaron en contra, para ellos el voto de los demas no cuenta, claro, ellos no son democratas.
masculote 2 years ago 2
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ETA is a neonazi group that has killed many children and women in Spain during the past 50 years. FUCK ETA!!!
jumabo08 2 years ago
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The problem is Kevin is a self-appointed victim. He lives a middle class comfortable lifestyle in a liberal democratic country. Yet this isn't enough for him, he wants the left wing primitivist romanticsm of "victim" or "opressed" status. They're all the same, this is their mindset. Steeped not in reality, but a crankish death fetish fantasy. One day, the boy who cried wolf will be opressed for real and nobody will come to his call.
Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
peaceful Basque event? pero si la mitad estaban gritando Gora ETA Gora Euskadi...
trobi 3 years ago
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ah, ahora m entero k gritar gora ETA es violencia...
josebaunai 3 years ago
La violencia viene despues, que se dedican a quemar cositas, y sus amados se dedican a poner bombas en universidades como maricas.
trobi 3 years ago
Pues sí. los gritos son violencia. Fíjate: Seguro que si un nazi grita en Guernica "Viva la división Condor" os sentíriais "violentados" y con razón. Tienes que enteder que decir gora a una organizacion que lleva mas de 900 muertos a sus espaldas y que ha provocado un exilio de miles de personas es, cuanto menos, violento para mucha gente...
Richardcoves 3 years ago 3
Perdón, quise decir Legión Condor.
Richardcoves 3 years ago
@Richardcoves
¿Condenas tu al gal y la falange?
¿Y el franquismo?
MegaCaracolillo 9 months ago
no, perdona, ahí no se escuchaba ni solo "Gora ETA", y lo que está claro es que esa no fue la causa de la carga.
AurreraBolie1975 3 years ago
A peaceful gathering? You dont uderstand that these people blackmail and kill people who dont agree with their ideals? Do your homework.
andeejam 3 years ago
El que tiene q hacer aqui los deberes, creo q eres tu! ninguno de ahi a matado a nadie quizas ni sepas pq era manifestacion, pero bueno sigue con tu paranoyas mentales y desinformando a extranjeros, q se os da muy bien eso
isayar 3 years ago 2
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Counterrevolutionite 2 years ago
Pero que banda de subnormales, soys una mafia de gente inútil e ignorante que si no dieseis el coñazo con esto estariais robando estancos.
Por mí que os den la independencia y por detrás tambien.
jalamos1 3 years ago
de que va la mani? contra los polis? pk sino no m lo expliko...
cak92 3 years ago
por aqui hay mucho español k no tiene ni idea y parece k no le da vergüenza demostrar su ignorancia respecto a la ertzaintza y lo q ocurre en Euskal Herria,como bien han dicho la ertzaintza recibe ordenes de Lakua,pero es q este,las recibe desde Madrid y lo obedecen aun q no esten de acuerdo.
Por otro lau...q la ertzaintza es vasca?¿? teoricamente si,pero sus mandos superiores si no estais enteraus por la ley española deben ser o guardias civiles o militares.ANTES DE HABLAR,ENTEREMONOS!!gracias
EuskadiPalestinafree 3 years ago
Los mandos de la Ertzaintza son españoles, pero no vienen de Madrid. Si vinieran de Madrid la Ertzainza arrestaria a alguien, como el resto de policias del mundo.
minotauron12 3 years ago
Que puta mierda de video es este?? me caguen la puta dicen que los maltratan. Yo haria cosas peores con ellos! Yo si que seria un genocida. Dar gracias de que el gobierno de españa es democratica porque si vivierais en un regimen fascista como el de Hitler, tenddriais la bokita bien cerrada. Al puto ingles que subio este video: Viva la independencia de escocia!!!
sotopete 3 years ago
Probablemente el ingles que subio este video querria la independencia de escocia, de la misma forma que mis amigos de Alicante, quieren la independencia de Euskal Herria, hay muchos españoles que quieren independecia del pais vasco, por otra parte, estoy de acuerdo contigo, viva la independencia de escocia!! y Gora euskadi askatuta!!!
Askatasunbidea 3 years ago 2
No teneis ni idea de lo que pasa aqui, los de ETA os han lavado el cerebro y os habeis creido sus trolas. Como lo de Juana Chaos, que es un hijoputa que tendria que estar picando piedra el resto de su miserable vida y lo han tomado por un martir... ignorantes. Solo Navarra fue independiente, no hubo nunca un pais vasco. Cataluña tampoco, fue de Aragon o Francia, depende del momento.
ETA sucks. It isn't a socialist GANG, it's completely fascist!!!
SupraSapientas 3 years ago 2
es muy fácil quitarle la razón al contrario diciendo que está loco o que es un asesino, fácil y gratuito.
Precisamente la creación de un estado vasco de nombre Euskal Herria se basaría en la propia Navarra como estado y la cultura vasca que impera en esos territorios, de ahí el hecho de que sea imposible llegar a ningún acuerdo de importancia para este proyecto si no se incluye a Navarra.
Ahora a los medios les resulta rentable llamarlo a todo mafia fascista... quien fue a hablar...
Ganixan 3 years ago
Yo he hablado de ETA, no de Euskal Herria, no cambies mis palabras.
Segundo, quieren meter a Navarra en Euskal Herria, cuando la mayoria de los navarros no esta de acuerdo. Esta muy bien lo de la cultura vasca, pero entre eso y la independencia, hay un trecho. Si nos encerramos en las culturas locales solo tenderemos al aislamiento entre pueblos.
Ademas, Navarra no es independentista como el pais vasco, sino foral.
Ah y ETA al usar la violencia ha perdido la razon (si la tenia, cosa aparte)
SupraSapientas 3 years ago
The have their own police in the Basque country, the "ertzaintza". The spanish police has no presence there. You should change the name of the video, maybe to "Basque police attacks..."
Elpezquecamina 3 years ago
From my point of view, the ertzaintza is as spanish as can be, always trying to stop peaceful events like the one which appears in the video by the use of rubber balls, so I agree with the name of the video. If you have been in Euskal Herria, you should know that "Ertzaintza española!" is a well known chant
seimprun 3 years ago
The ETA terrorists and co. also refers to the National Basque Party - founders of basque nationalism and fathers of batasuna - as "españoles"...but only when they disagree with their policy.
The Ertzaintza has nothing to do with the central government of Madrid, it only depends on the decisions of the basque autonomous goverment. This video and the messages supporting it are sheer disinformation following to confound ppl.
lamikizz 3 years ago
Ya que por lo que veo somos todos españoles te lo voy a decir en español. El estado español ataca un pacifico evento vasco, como titulo del video es de coña. La erzaintza es vasca y los que ordenan la carga son vascos. No metas al estado español en esto, porque no tiene nada ver. A ver si ahora todo lo que es malo, lo es por provenir de españa. Al paso que vamos, hasta la tortilla española va a ser un instrumento represivo. Saludos desde andalucia.
Elpezquecamina 3 years ago
La Ertzaintza recibe habitualmente órdenes de Madrid, ya sea directamente o mediante intermediario en Lakua, y no estoy de acuerdo con que la Ertzaintza sea íntegramente vasca... nos llevaríamos muchas sorpresas analizando la procedencia de muchos de sus miembros...
La tortilla de patatas es algo que nos gusta mucho, a un servidor por ejemplo.
Ganixan 3 years ago
jajajajaja tu xabala lo flipas. Ahora resulta que la ertzaintza recibe ordenes de madrid jajaj. Por favor, ven a madrid y veras la diferencia entre alli y aqui.
sotopete 3 years ago
Look the video at 0:41. A boy smiles to the cam and shows his tongue. Is this a moment of tension? No, it is a moment of fun. Everything takes place as they expect: they are provoking the police, the police charges, they record everything and they play the victim. Why don't they show the extortions to the businessmen? or the threatens to those who disagree with them? They do not believe in democracy.
JavSusLar 3 years ago
The Spanish state waging a struggle against fascist independence in Vascongados, terrorists are using human rights that they do not comply to harass the Basque citizens, who mostly feel Spanish.
elmoriles 3 years ago
Desde cuando las manifestaciones en Euskadi son pacificas? Les contais a los extrangeros lo que haceis con las personas que no opinan igual que vosotros? ASESINOS ES LO QUE SOYS.
sergjvi 3 years ago
in what lenguaje do you speak in the video?
I don't understand
anderthebest 3 years ago
probably euskara
blazeblaser 3 years ago
Well, maybe one thousand killed people by ETA its a good reason for keeping Basque Country whith us, in Spain. By chance, a incredible beautiful country. Visit us, you will be welcome.
birkken1 3 years ago
Have the Basque people ever had a referendum to decide their political future?
breezeman199 3 years ago
they dont let us, now our basque president wants to make one in octuber, but guess what... the spanish gov does not approve it
sophiecharlottee 3 years ago
I see no moral justification for denying the Basque people their right to determine their own future.
breezeman199 3 years ago
If you want a moral reason, go to de cementeries and read the name and age of all the people those criminal people have killed in the name of independent.
birkken1 3 years ago
But why not let the Basque people have a free, fair and honest referendun on whether or not they wish to be independent or remain part of Spain? Why not give the Basque people a chance to choose? I don't see the harm in allowing the Basques the right to decide their political future. This is not automatically an endorsement for independence but simply an acknowledgement of the right of the Basque people to choose for themselves.
breezeman199 3 years ago
Its easy. In Basque Country there is not fredoom. You can not speak about political ideologies not even in the small villages, but in the big ones. The abertxales has become furious people and very dangerous. They forced for example the impuesto revolucionario to the busniess people.
The same Franco did its what they do now. who dont think what they think is an enemy. Easy, simple. Not independence for Murcia, Madrid, Pais Vasco or Badajoz. They are part of Spain, the same thing.
birkken1 3 years ago 2
Yes, of course. Every four year you have two, where you can choose your own lendakari and your onw national govermente president. Dont you go to vote? Oh, you are not of the democratic ones.
birkken1 3 years ago
the Basque Amnesty Movement support the terrorism
DiosPatriaRey 3 years ago
sorry, with a nick name like yours, nothing taht you say can be worth to hear....ignorant!!! are you basque??noo, so why is this hole thing important to you???sorry....to your king. NO ETA; NO SPAIN; NO FRANCE!
sophiecharlottee 3 years ago
Dios, patria y fueros was the motto of the 'Carlista Party', tout court the basque nationalism (PNV) antecessors...And they took their name from Carlos VII, aspirant to the spanish throne.
lamikizz 3 years ago
do you have a life?
sophiecharlottee 3 years ago
do the clouds smell?
lamikizz 3 years ago
Only one nationalist inside the Basque Country is the Popular Party, a Spanish neo-fascist natiolist party
Ontologies 3 years ago
There are no current political democratic options to move forwards the rigth to self determination. The constitution negotiated with the dictatorship elites is a lock.
That is why the workers and the peoples have to overcome the legal status protected by the army, the police and the mass media.
In the Basque Country there is no democracy, but a state of siege.
autonomx 3 years ago
Hello, here democracy speaking from the Basque C (2008 elections):
% votes:
*PSOE 38,81% (425.567 votes)(Socialist Spanish Party)
*EAJ-PNV 27,65% (303.246 votes)(Nationalist Basque Party)
*PP 18,85% (206.702 votes)(Conservative Spanish Party)
lamikizz 3 years ago
Putos hijosdeputa...claro y luego se justifican con lo de siempre,llamando asesinos a gente pacifica que se manifiesta...dais asco putos fachas!!
y tu tambien dhabiz ojala te limpien a ti el cerebro..tanta mierda que tienes ahi...
ErlytO0o 3 years ago
anda corred perros etarras hijos de puta, que sois todos unos malnacidos, mamones iros a trabajar pedazos de mierda con patas, me cago en vuestra patria de mierda y en vuestra sangre de anormales deformada por siglos de follaros a vuestra misma familia que sois como perros.
jorgitocabron 3 years ago
estas insinuando que todas las personas que hay ahi son presos etarras???
de lo demas no te digo nada porque es pura ignorancia...
ErlytO0o 3 years ago
Alguien dice que no hay ley para impedir la independencia de ESPAÑA! jajaa primero
Jerarquia normativa, La C.E. Por encima de todas las leyes. Articulo segundo de la C.E. La unidad e indisoluvilidad de la patria española! que se independicez, que entre el ejercito ESPAÑOL y haga una limpieza como la del 36 jajajajaja que alegria!!
dHaBiZ 3 years ago
People from other countries. Dont get lied from this mother fuckers terrorist. ETA are assasins, and his "peace" events are shit against SPAIN. Vascos etarras hijos de puta, os pillo aki en madrid diciendo eso y os arranco la cabeza. Me cago en euskalerria de mierda y en vuestras putas madres.
shogunjosex 3 years ago 2
to my friends the Basque people... save your ancient identity before it is completely absorbed into ferdinand and isabela's nightmare of historical revisionism, simple-mindedness and intolerance...
Albanians are with you... since we two nations are all that is left of the ancient aborigine peoples of europe.
balkancoolhead 4 years ago
Completely agree with your point of view. Greetings from the occupied Catalunya.
xambursi 3 years ago
Bascs are free if they want to spain can do nothing,spain after 17/02/08 is in every way of the international law dead.There are no arguments where she can sustent their illegal rule.INDEPENDENCE NOW
GORA EUSKAL HERRIA!!!
ViriathusVingathor 4 years ago
today, kosovar albanians, descendants of the ancient Illyrian people, honor the peaceful efforts of our noble Basque brothers to achieve the realization of their will...
preservation of the last of the ancient voices of aborigine europeans cannot be stopped by the young cultures that rest on our shoulders.
balkancoolhead 4 years ago
this demonstration was probably illegal, thus cops had to be called in...
dankspain 4 years ago
Basque people are not terrorists, ETA people are, and they don´t deserve to be basque or spanish. They acts of a few make look bad to a mayority. ETA people are assasins.
esdragos 4 years ago 2
well everybody should know what this poor victims would do to your self if they see you on the street with another point of vew.THEY WOULD BEAT YOU TILL DEAD OR THEY WOULD BURN YOU ALIVE AND IF YOU ARE LUCKY ENOUGH TO ESCAPE THE NEXT MORNING YOUR HOUSE WILL BE PAINTED AND YOU BETTER GO TO START YOUR LIFE SOMEWHERE FAR FROM THE BASQUE COUNTRY
yogumy 4 years ago
This happens constantly in the streets of the Basque Country...and the only justification the fascists offer for that is the existance of ETA...But all those who suffer the torture and the police brutality are not members of ETA, but just basques and left wing people
autonomx 4 years ago
I cant understand it, What are you saying??
Are you ETAs supporter or something like that? Fuck off ETA and his wheapons!!
PabloBlackened 4 years ago
This is exactly the kind of argument made by the spanish state: if you dare to talk against political repression you ara en ETA supporter. It looks like the "Bush doctrine": you can either support US government or be a terrorist.
The political problems can only be solved through political processes: self determination, free spech, dialogue.
Spanish state fascist state.
autonomx 4 years ago
Spanish state fascist state... youre confussed men.
Hve you live in spain?Are you Spanish?
Youre confussed wiht the spanish political status. Spain is most liberal country in europe now, till the only fasist organitatione in Spain in ETA and his political arm ANV.
Here in Ireland, allways we say that ETA is like the old UDA, Killers, terrorists.
PabloBlackened 4 years ago
Poor political culture what you have if you thnik "liberal" means democratic. That can only be solve through study.
But I´ll tell you something, The outlawing of entire political options, the prohibition of any movement that questions the ´78 Constitution negotiated with the old dictatorship, that is not a democracy.
autonomx 4 years ago
PNV, Aralar, NaBai, Zutik, EA, Batzarre are basque nationalist/separatits political forces that are absolutelly legal in Spain for they don't support terrorism. The only illegal political party in Spain is the one that represents ETA. Spain is a democracy in spite of ETA.
saturdayboy 3 years ago
Relax autonomx. The use of the word "liberal" in Spain dates from 1208 meaning "tolerant" and "generous". In the first decade of the XIX century this word was used in Spain in reference to politicians opposed to the conservative (absolutist) forces. In fact, we call to our 1812 spanish constitution the liberal one, and it was the effort of liberals fightin against the absolutist ideas, and in favor of the revolutionary ones derived from the recent french revolution.
lamikizz 3 years ago
Years after this word will be common in France, England, etc...By the way, Sabino Arana, the founder of the Basque Nationalist Party (PNV) was a radical anti-liberal. As a matter of fact, one of the things that fueled the rise of nationalism in the Basque Country was the fear to socialism and related revolutionary ideologies... As to "the outlawing of entire political options" just read the saturdayboy answer to your post.
lamikizz 3 years ago
"The political problems can only be solved through political processes: self determination, free spech, dialogue."...This is that most of the people in Spain wants but ETA killers
lamikizz 3 years ago
Well said.
birkken1 3 years ago
Yes, yes... very "peaceful"... we already know you!
brunocendon 4 years ago
eta shoots innocent people and everybody in the world knows that
muchachopericoloso 4 years ago
Just to explain, I have been to the Basque country and witnessed their protests, they are always peaceful, they demonstrate by shouting, clapping and whistling it is loud and peaceful. The Spanish police respond by shooting directly at the marchers.
Freedom for the Basque Country!
michael1916 4 years ago
Well, the police you're talking about is the basque one, the ertzaintza...They shooted directly at the marchers?? If so it's really sad...
lamikizz 3 years ago
By listening to the shouting of the people I have an idea of how "peaceful" this people were.
saturdayboy 4 years ago
Putos etarras de mierda,e vais a acomer la polla pero de dos en dos.
CONTRA ETA METRALLETA.
actvaw 4 years ago
A ti la unica que te va a momer tu polla sarnosa es tu puta madre mientras yo le destrozo el culito. Recuerdas igual que cuando se la comias a tu papa.... jajaja infeliz! Entrate de la fiesta antes de decir babosadas.
99theinvertedmoron 4 years ago
Protest doesn't sound very peaceful to me...
ffx2warrior 4 years ago
Many people here have no idea about Basque Country. Celts and Basques linked each other?!?! that's sacks!! Basques are linked to Berebers from North of Africa. They try to change the history, they are fascism.
oslega 4 years ago
Basques are not linked to the Berbers, you have no idea what you are talking about.
KrulosRevolutions 4 years ago
Yes, I do, Basque root DNA is linked Berebers'. Basque DNA is the most similar European DNA to Berebers' DNA.
You should know Basques are the real Iberians. And the second one DNA more similar to Basque DNA is DNA of the rest of Spain, specially from South of Spain.
oslega 4 years ago
What shit do you smoke fuckin inbred cunt? You are genetically lined to your own retard ass!!!
99theinvertedmoron 4 years ago
hehehe, You just know to say nonsenses, you have no idea to explain or have an argument, you have a profile of killer like ETA killers, they are animals like you. I guess you feel inferior to rest of people, only this people write or speak like you or like ETA .
oslega 4 years ago
hehehe, You just know to say nonsenses, you have no idea to explain or have an argument, you have a profile of killer like ETA killers, they are animals like you. I guess you feel inferior to rest of people, only this people write or speak like you or like ETA .
oslega 4 years ago
Do the Basque People have their own Police? Yes they do
Which Party is on the Basque Goverment from the last 20 years?? The Basque Nacionalist Party. Then, what is the Basque problem??
CARLANGASCABANA 4 years ago
There are 'a few' nationalist parties in the Basque. The PNV is the worst thing that ever happen to Euskal Herria. They've strangled their people and their culture for the sake of commercialism and personal interest. The second bigest problem is that the majority of the Basques are dumb enough to vote for them 'because it is tradition'. Very sad...
99theinvertedmoron 4 years ago
karramakarra 4 years ago
Ok
Spanish Government has forbiden Basque parties?? And which party has be in power for the last 30 years. Should I remember it?
Ok, the Basque Nationalist Party!!!!
victorabellon 4 years ago
Txakurrak kanpora!!!Euskal Herri zutik dirau!! Jo ETA KE!!!
The Spanish government has declared illegals basque political parties, closed mass media... We have to fight against the fascism.
Gogor1 4 years ago
it is not terrorism when you protect yourself.
unlike other countries such as USA which go and kill god knows how many civilians abroad
gora euskadi
unailand 4 years ago
thats very interesting...but it isn`t a official affirmament. thanks ireland because you want the freedom for the vasques :-)i cant ignore laucher only because he has got a other opinion. AUPA GU TA GUTARRAK.
titatitirita 4 years ago
sorry laucher, you are a normal italian. and i never say that only bilbainos are normal because i dont live in bilbao. you shouldent be sure we arent celtics because anyone is sure from where came the vasques. some people think that our language has some parentesco with the caucasian languages. why do you think we are your old brothers celticcorn? it`s interesting reading different versions
titatitirita 4 years ago
Studies have shown that the Irish are descendents of a tribe which originated in the Basque country
celticcorm 4 years ago
Titatitirita ignore launcher,what does he know of being oppressed,he comes from a unified country where there is nobody calling for independence.Its very easy for him to judge other peoples desire for freedom when he already has his.He does not know what it is to be oppressed.he is an idiot if not racist to say that there is not a Basque culture I can assure you that the people of Ireland support Basque independence
celticcorm 4 years ago
emm i am not justifying ETA.t they are killers. but we want to be independende.anyway you cant understand that feeling. want and if you dude it launcher, we have got a culture and it is true that it is very old. they are finding very old thing of the vasques in iruña beleia. the irrintziz, the dances, txalaparta, aixkora, sokamuturra... it isnt a culture? really i think you have the razon i cant teach you because i am 14 yers old...but saying we havent got a culture is terrible.
titatitirita 4 years ago
Listen titatitirita, I read your pm yesterday and I'm sure you're a good guy, but you're only 14. You'll probably see things in a different way when you're 36 so I am. You are free to think whatever you want, but I'm free as well. You cannot say that I'm not normal just because I don't live at Bilbao.
launcher236 4 years ago
Launcher it was very childish of you to point out bad grammer. You must have been in loyalist areas where you will see the British flag. Next time you are over come to West Belfast where you will see the Basque flag flying proudly alongside the Irish tricolour! I never said i would kick your ass i said it is possible it would happen if you came here saying such ignorant comments!!!!!!!!
celticcorm 4 years ago
laucher, you can also come to the basque country to see we arent a child killers and see our culture. one of the oldest cultures in europe. and in ( france) britain they like a lot our flag because it is in all the sites.
titatitirita 4 years ago
Thanks for your invitation titatitirita. Much better now. I (we) knew you were a good guy. I've never been there, but who knows?. That is the actitude that avoids wars. Just one point more. I never said Basque people are killers, but ETA members and those who justify their actions. Obviously you're not one of them and I'm very happy for it.
launcher236 4 years ago
Regarding you celticcorm... well. First thing my wife said while reading your post was "this guy isn't from Eire", you don't write like an Irish, you commit a lot of mistakes and your opinion is, at least, suspicious
Let me say something, I'm an soldier. I've been first in UNPROFOR, then in KFOR. I've seen a lot of hatred in those conflicts, lots of deads, lots of refugees. You don't have a fucking idea of what the hell is that. So, please, stop talking nonsense about opressed people.
launcher236 4 years ago
Oh!, almost forget.
"he comes from a unified country where there is nobody calling for independence".
Lega Nord (it's a political party) calls for the indepence of the North of Italy. They call it "La Padania".
Try to read a little bit before saying something. At least, make an effort!!
launcher236 4 years ago
Launcher now you doubt my nationality and my heritage,your ignorance and mow your wifes stupidity continues to surprise me. I'm from Anderstown west Belfast.The only way i can prove in Irish is if say "coupla focal as Gaelgae",Pog mo phoil Launcher. As for Lega Nord you got to be joking me,i did not realise that the Italian government is oppressing the people of Milan, lol
celticcorm 4 years ago
o and if you want a name one is Haritz Totorika.
titatitirita 4 years ago
First of all. I'm perfectly normal.
Second point. I'm from Italy and I'm very proud of it, any problem with that?
Third point. I've been in a war and I know what torture is, obviously you don't even have an idea of it.
The fourth one. Barely may I imagine you "teaching" someone. For sure not me, so please, be a little bit humble.
Finally. ETA are killers, and everyone who justify them is a killer as well.
launcher236 4 years ago
Freedom for Basque Country!
STOP SPANISH IMPERIALIST!
Soniko22 4 years ago
what is false? you are a spanish imperialist
txerokietasiux 4 years ago
peaceful basque event?... YOU SUCK GUYS!!!, YOU ARE CHILDREN KILLERS!!! YOU HAVE KILLED MORE THAN 1.000 PEOPLE!!
Vasque country have been part of Spain for more than 500 years. It never has been independent and it will never be. Everything is a great lie forced by just 150.000 people from the 2.000.000 who live there.
launcher236 4 years ago
but it is accepted that the basque country and language is the oldest culture in europe... can you tell me how you fit that into your idea of history?
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Really??, who accept that?. I'm Italian and I know that the language(in fact the different kind of languages) is old. But the culture, WHAT CULTURE?????. You don't even have an idea of what culture means. In Italy we used to believe your lies, but... no longer. KILLERS!!
launcher236 4 years ago
hey please don`t say we are the killers because spanish state tortured and killed a lot of basques and the KILLER IS ETA NOT THE BASQUE PEOPLE INDEPENDENCE YES ETA NO.... AUPA EUSKADI ASKATUTA
titatitirita 4 years ago
Spanish State has tortured a lot of basques?, really? How many?, when?, do you consider torture to put children killers on jail?, We don't believe your lies guys. Your attempt to appear as victims is pathetic. Any one of you who tries to justify ETA is a killer as well. Come to Milano and ask people on the street. 90% of the will say the same. KILLERS!!. Ah, and by the way, You have never been independent, and you never will. None European country would support your independece. Try to assume it
launcher236 4 years ago
you arent normal. you are from italia and you are saying things that you dont know. i teach u: ETA was started when vasque people want to stop the killing in the vasque country. the guardia cibil didnt let people speaking euskara. if they do that in the street they tortured them. ETA help that people.
titatitirita 4 years ago
NOW is different ETA is a terrorist band who kill people but think that spanish are doing the same but they are bigger. the newspapers say only the things do eta but they "tapar" the true....ETA ONLY HELP PP BECAUSE ITS AN "ESCUSA" TO FUCK THE BASQUES.... sorry, my english isnt good
titatitirita 4 years ago
Launcher236 you are an idiot,you say that no European country suppots Basque independence,COme to Belfast and see all the Basque flags around my city.Keep your mouth shut because if you speak badly of our celtic brothers in the Basque country you will gat you ass kicked all the way back to Milan you ignorant fuck,the spaniards are fascists bastards and so are you you,what right does Madrid have to determine another peoples lives,Forza Glasgow Celtic,GORA EUSKAL HERRIA
celticcorm 4 years ago
celticcorm... your point is hilarious!
Your celtic brothers from Basque Country??, hahaha. Basque people could be whatever you want, but for sure they are not celtics
I've been in Belfast 2 years ago with my wife (who, by the way, is from Dublin) and I didn't see many basque flags over there, was I in the wrong part of the city?
If you, such a mental dwarf, want to kick my ass back to Milano, will you come here personally to accomplish that task?
By the way, your grammar is horrible
launcher236 4 years ago
The Welsh and Irish Celts have been found to be the genetic blood-brothers of Basques, scientists have revealed.
The gene patterns of the three races passed down through the male line are all "strikingly similar", researchers concluded.
Basques can trace their roots back to the Stone Age and are one of Europe's most distinct people, fiercely proud of their ancestry and traditions.
titatitirita 4 years ago
is their longuage latin or celtic?
mesege me
shkodrani16 4 years ago
nope! It is euskera.
sagastizabal 4 years ago
It's a pre-Celtic language and it is not Indo-European (which languages like Celtic, Latin, Greek, German, etc. are). The links the Basques share with the British and Irish date back long before the arrival of the Celtic culture to Ireland & Britain (though it's worth noting that the Celts also had a significant presence in the non-Basque regions of Spain).
PubicMan 4 years ago
The research adds to previous studies which have suggested a possible link between the Celts and Basques, dating back tens of thousands of years.
"The project started with our trying to assess whether the Vikings made an important genetic contribution to the population of Orkney," Professor David Goldstein of University College London (UCL) told BBC New
titatitirita 4 years ago
i find that and celticcorn it isnt inventing it. but i dont think you ot you wife are idiots because you have got clare your ideas. milano is in the nord of italy no? do you think la padania should be independent?
titatitirita 4 years ago
The spanish are fascist bastards? and who the fuck r u to say that? What right does Madrid have? well, as the Spanish "central government", it has the RIGHT to determine what is best for the whole of spanish people.
Piponic 4 years ago
THIS INFORMATION IS FALSE
roquetass9 4 years ago
stop ETA
stop spanish fascism
freedom for the basque country
independence for the basque country
gorkalopez 4 years ago
Freedom for the opressed nations of Euskalherria (the Basque Country) and the Catalan Countries !!!
xambursi 4 years ago
CROSSROAD..PPL THAT DO STUFF LIKE THIS SHOULD DIE.DONT tell me im terrorist..they did stuff agnist the law..and they need to get punished.
sloop 4 years ago
The Riot Police don't fire rubber batton Rounds, they are balls, in different colours, depending on how hard they are, the hardest are steel balls with a thin coat of rubber. pekador23, who the hell are you to say what the correct phrase is? One person's terrorist is another's freedom fighter. Oh yes of course it illegal in the 'spanish democracy' to describe them as anything other than terrorists.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Freedom for the basque country now!!! independentzia eta sozialismoa!! Gora Euskal Herria askatuta!
Grosekoa 4 years ago
no, you are only a terrorist if you kill innocent people or support thos who kill people just for pollitical reasons...thats what happens in the basque country, a name which can be a bit confussing, but its just a region of spain and has never been independent from it...theres only one side killing and so one side dying so kevinwilliamson i dont know what the fuck youre talking about
Armfary 4 years ago 2
"no, you are only a terrorist if you kill innocent people or support those who kill people just for political reasons.. " So therefore everyone who supports George Bush and Tony Blair are by definition terrorists. Thanks for the clarification, now you all go and hand yourselves in at you local CIA station for extraordinary rendition, torture and indefinite detention. Thank you and bye bye.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Well, where to start, I wish youtube provided us with more than 500 characters to express ourselves. 160newcrossroad. Now, I would like to accept ur point of view as a reasonable common sense based argument. But that would be impossible. Not only are u trying to question the Spanish democratic system, but u are also giving ur support to a left wing extremist terrorist group who murder civilians to prove a point. Pitiful.
Piponic 4 years ago
Do not attempt to compare the actions of countries such as the US with what happens in Euskadi. Matters are completely different, ur just using a lame deviation strategy. It would be like saying if they jump of a bridge why can't we.
Piponic 4 years ago
Whether the PP have accepted or not their defeat is besides the point. Whether part of their voters are of fascist descent is also beside the point. PSOE has communist descent voters. Lets live up to the present situation please. Btw I don't think u should go telling me how little I know about my country, especially if u start preaching that we live in a fascist state. Utter rubbish.
Piponic 4 years ago
it is not the PP voters that I am concerned with, it is the members of parliment and those they appoint when in government who are direct Franquistas. Again a little more research. Voters are voters, they are you and me, thats not the point. BTW I was just quoting yourself. I live here too :)
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Riot police as u seem to knw, fire riot ammo to break up riots, which is unlikely to cause casualties (as in any other country). Note that a riot is "a public act of violence by an unruly mob" (not a legal peaceful demonstration).
Piponic 4 years ago
I have seen grevious injuries to people who just happened to be passing by Riot police on their way home from work. That is not legal or peaceful either. You know the police have no idents, they can do what they want, and the worst that will happen is a 50 euro fine for overstepping the line. Many think it worth the money to beat a protestor, or worse a passer by.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
says who?
99theinvertedmoron 4 years ago
A terrorist, as u seem to NOT know, is one who utilizes the systematic use of violence and intimidation to achieve political objectives, while disguised as a civilian non-combatant. On the other side a freedom fighter is a relativistic local term for those engaged in rebellion against an established government that is held to be oppressive and illegitimate.
Piponic 4 years ago
I can not argue with you there, except for the suggestion that I don't know.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Considering the Spanish government is anything but oppressive at the moment, and that it has been chosen by a majority of the population entitled to vote, ur argument has nowhere to stand on.
Piponic 4 years ago
I have a great deal of respect for the current spanish government. Sadly the establishment, and their neo-nazi tactics still carry a lot of weight with the sheeple.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
The Basque Country or Euskadi is not occupied by Spain. Spanish troops never invaded the region, it has always been Spain, since the origins of what we now know as Spain today. May I ask u to look up in an encyclopedia for the word Spain. You will see it is a country, comprised by a series of autonomous regions with local governments whom have powers within their region.
Piponic 4 years ago
The basque country was occupied by Franco's troops, and amongst other things to speak basque was an act of treason. The definition of Spain being a collection of nations is the Spainish definition, may I politely request you do a little more research, and forget encyclopedias. Ironically the reconquista,the liberation of Spain from the Moores was launched from the Basque Country, so one might sat that 'spain' is in fact the basque country LoL :)
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
All of Spain was "occupied" by Franco's troops. Madrid and Valencia were the last cities to fall, after a long siege. Your definition of Spain as a "collection" of nations is 100% nonsense given that, for example, the term "euskadi" dates from the end of XIX century while the "Diocesis Hispaniarum", the first spanish administrative configuration, dates from the III century.
lamikizz 4 years ago
By the way, the reconquista was launched from Asturias, which included the basque lands. (h t t p : / / es. wikipedia. org/wiki/Imagen:Europe_814.jpg) .
lamikizz 4 years ago
Asturias did not exist in name nor region when the reconquista was launched, this is a well known myth.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
...but "basque country" or "euskadi" did...
(h t t p : / / es. wikipedia. org/wiki/Imagen:Europe_814.jpg) .
lamikizz 4 years ago
you're the history expert, you tell me.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
well, you said "Ironically the reconquista,the liberation of Spain from the Moores was launched from the Basque Country, so one might sat that 'spain' is in fact the basque country"..which is really funny because no such thing as Basque Country has never existed until 1978, after the administrative division of the kingdom of spain in "autonomías"
lamikizz 4 years ago
by the way, you said that "Asturias did not exist in name nor region when the reconquista was launched, this is a well known myth"...sure that u are not our expert in history?...yo have a hard work to do by correcting this wikipedia text:
h t t p : // en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Kingdom_of_asturias
good luck! ;)
lamikizz 4 years ago
My definition of spain being a collection of bations is the same definition as used by the Spanish Government, but never mind, you clearly know everything. Can't argue with one who knows everything.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Of course, is hard to argue without arguments, not "with one who knows everything". Tha spanish Magna Carta (1978)"recognize and guarantees the right to autonomy of all NATIONALITIES and regions which integrate (the spanish Nation)..." Nationalities and not nations as you said...
lamikizz 4 years ago
On the other hand, the word "nationalities" is used, obviously, to give this text an etnic sense and not a political one...I stress this word's meaning in order to avoid further misinterpretations on your side.
lamikizz 4 years ago
quote wiki Alternative usage In several non-English speaking areas of the world, the cognate word for nationality in local language may be understood as a synonym of ethnicity, as nation can be defined as a grouping based on cultural self-determination rather than on relations with a state.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
Of course, is hard to argue without arguments, not "with one who knows everything". You seem to be doing the job for me :)
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
of course, as a matter of fact the political usage of "nation" arises only after the french revolution, when the king is replaced by "the people" (that is, the nation)as the holder of the sovereignty...even today the word "nation" keeps its ethnic sense...
lamikizz 4 years ago
...the preference for using the word "nationality" instead of "nation" only seeks to underline the ethnic sense of the definition
lamikizz 4 years ago
jolly good, the wiki quote was quasi supporting your point, I am English speaking, so I don't use the alternative definition as you do :) As far as I can see we're posting in English.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
yes, we are posting in english, but in spain ppl speak spanish and in spanish NACION and NACIONALIDAD have a very different significance - this is what i'm trying to explain - in the political sense, of course NATION too has a ethnic sense, which is previous - in time - to the politic one...
lamikizz 4 years ago
"perceptions", taken from the field of feelings and psicology - not something you suffer from at all now is it? By your definition of nation that is ALL it is :)
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
hijos de putaaa zipallos cabrones, torturadores!!!!
xcrementox 4 years ago
I call "perception" to your "vision" -"Spain, to me, is more like..."- of Spain, to underline its distance with the spanish reality, as defined, p. e., in our Magna Carta (1978). ETA killers or the "descendant of the Moores" can have their own vision of Spain - ETA killers haven't a vision of Spain, obviously -, but what it counts is what a majority of spaniards voted in 1978: in Spain we call that democracy.
lamikizz 4 years ago
(the spanish Nation) your addition I take it. Spain, to me, is more like a federation, large parts of the population don't even call themselves Spanish, and the decendants of the Moores still view Spain as a former colony.
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
..."is more like"...."don't call themselves"...."the Moores still view".../// ..only "perceptions", taken from the field of feelings and psicology...i see you like missing the point
lamikizz 4 years ago
Asturias did not exist in name nor region when the reconquista was launched, this is a well known myth. clearly so do you:)
160newcrossroad 4 years ago
The reason for a certain group of people being banned from taking up local council elections was not to attack freedom of speech, on the contrary, its to protect this freedom. In what country would proven terrorists or terrorist-linked people be allowed to run for elections? You should also take into account that these people have been banned by a jury, not the Spanish government.
Piponic 4 years ago