Analysis of Rush Limbaugh's Fox News Interview, Pt1

[bosarge82]

Furthermore, "Barack the Magic Negro" was a tacky and rude attempt by Limbaugh to parody an article written by a black man that bor the title "Barack the Magic Negro".. As shocking and rude as the parody seemed he was poking fun at the article written in the NYT.. Call him rude, insensitive or what have you, but bigoted and racist doesn't fit the description.. No one, including Obama, is above being picked on, but we're all above being falsely accused of racism..

[AfriSynergy]

Limbaugh provided to you and the dittoheads his excuse for "Barack the Magic Negro". Limbaugh is a bigot. You don't agree and is misguided but that's acceptable. Pick on whoever you like but when you have an FCC license there are limits on what you can say and do. Limbaugh was kicked out of the group to by the Rams football team because of his attitudes about Blacks. He was a "bad boy". There are more who believe Limbaugh's a bigot and there's a price to pay for being a bigot.

[bosarge82]

Rush don't care what color the radical is..

[AfriSynergy]

Rush cares about ego and money. He uses race the assuage both.

[bosarge82]

Who's preoccupied with money and race? How does he use race to assuage ego and money? From my vantagpoint, Rush tells what he see's and a lot of people want to hear it.. His story adds up in a lot of ways.. Are his observations unflattering to black at times, yes.. But I don't see any racial hosility that bears him being labeled a racist.. He attacks liberals everyday, but he wasn't a racist until he spoke ill of some black folks..

[AfriSynergy]

A lots of people (small percentage of the 222 million adults) want to hear him because he says what they have been afraid to say. He empowers them and the bigotry within them. You asked me was he "racist" and I gave you my answer. Limbaugh is more appropriately a bigot who constantly enrich himself playing upon old racial stereotypes, "Barack the Magic Negro" is just one example and there have been many more over the years. He's playing you and others.....

[AfriSynergy]

Limbaugh speaks ill of Mexicans as well. The guy is a self-serving, wealthy bigot. He manipulates the base instincts in a few million whites and laughs all the way to the bank.

On the issue of trust, you should trust based upon the track record of the person. I expect that to be applied to me.

[AfriSynergy]

Limbaugh is preoccupied with money and race. I have listened to the guy for more than 20 years and I am very much aware of his mode of operation. See the short video I posted, "Limbaugh vs Beck" and notice the events where Limbaugh would get a huge jump on the graph. He knows how to play the game to get his ratings up. These peaks is part of what he uses to help attain the conditional $400 million.

[bosarge82]

You sure are concerned about his wealth.. He earned his money just like we all have to opportunity to do.. To discredit him for being self-serving is a red herring.. We're all self serving - that's how we earn a living to take care of our families.. He's no more self-serving than us, just better at it than most.. I don't begrudge Tiger Woods' self-serving success at golf that has made him a billionaire.. Or Oprah for that matter.. Rush surely doesn't hold that against them. Why do you?

[AfriSynergy]

Yes, I am concerned with anyone who is a hired "gunslinger" who sells his soul for money. One can be self-serving in a constructive way or a destructive way. Limbaugh's is not constructive, although he couches it within love of God and country. The history of America have countless like him. The enterprise of slavery was profitable and brought great wealth to some and warranted concern about ill gotten wealth. Stealing of land is the same. We should not esteem such.

[bosarge82]

The history of America can't be erased, but that's no excuse to be so paranoid.. Salvery existed all over the planet at the time.. America is not the evil devil now because we had slavery back then.. Name a country where more has been done to reverse the sins of the past.. I've have never heard any white person wish to oppress blacks.. I've heard of them being sick of all the complaining though..

[AfriSynergy]

Paranoid? No, I have closely analyzed Limbaugh for more than 20 years and that puts me in a position to tell you about him. Chattel slavery vs slavery - do you know the difference? Name the countries that listed slaves as animals? Public Law 91-171 is not reversing the sins of the past. You can't speak with knowledge about this subject matter if your knowledge is limited. "Heard"? I suggest you study the contemporary around you and history.

[bosarge82]

Your blackness doesn't make you any more qualified to opine on racial matters than my whiteness does.. I can't speak for blacks just like you know nothing about what it's like to be white and to be targeted as racist for simply disagreeing with blacks, or being at the wrong place at the wrong time.. Slaves as animals? Never heard of that, but why would it matter anyway? You can ignore the opportunities available to blacks here and now or you can dwell on the past & afraid of the future..

[AfriSynergy]

Who said anything about ones "blackness" giving some special rights? Another silly statement. It is becoming more obvious that you have experienced some things which you are obviously venting here. Racial hatred is bad no matter who the perpetrator is. There are many things you have never heard of which makes it difficult for you to understand because you don't have the baseline knowledge. Before you make certain statements, you should first acquire a rounded knowledge of the subject.

[AfriSynergy]

Lookup "chattel". In America, it was Chattel Slavery. Study the history of US Constitution when Africans were once numbered as only a small percent human. Their numbers were kept with the inventory of cattle, sheep, horses and other livestock. They were born into it and most died in slavery. They were bred like livestock. You don't know the history and cannot begin to understand why Limbaugh is repugnant.

[bosarge82]

If you would quit studying dead people of a different era you might understand that their legacy is long gone.. I don't have to look back 200 years to guage the pulse of today's culture.. Disagreements today are mostly political, not racial. Blacks have a political agenda just like any other group, whites included, but don't think Rush or me or anybody else won't be there to challenge bad policy if our convictions say to. Btw, If I don't know the meaning Chattel, I'm probably not guilty of it.

[AfriSynergy]

LOL.... the study of history is "studying dead people". Another silly remark from you. There is no contemporary without the study and knowledge of the antiquities. This is what I mean when I say you don't have the knowledge to carry on this discussion. Today's culture represents yesterday. Political and racial goes hand-in-hand.

Rush got his butt kicked in November, 2008 and in NY 23rd District the other day. Not knowing=Ignorance. Solution = Learn

[bosarge82]

Studying history is one thing and is very important, but carrying forward the sins of the past and laying them at the feet of Rush Limbaugh is a joke.. It diminishes your takeaway of your studies to use the past as leverage.. And let's not get personal by insulting my knowledge f certain subjects.. I'm sure I'm capably holding my own here.

[AfriSynergy]

No, it's a "joke" in your not knowing history and being able to apply it to today's situations. Limbaugh is pimping you and 20 million other lemming whites in this country. As I said, the past is the here and now, they cannot be separated.

No insult to you being ignorant about this subject matter, there are subjects that I am ignorant about.  Don't know you but I sense qualities about you that I like, otherwise, I would not have spent so much time in this dialogue.

[bosarge82]

Hey thanks, I've enjoyed the discussion myself.. You seem convicted and well-read.. Not about to change your mind obviously, nor do I wish to, but it's always good to cross-pollenate ideas and viewpoints.. Mind if I check in periodically to see what's up?

[AfriSynergy]

Thank you and drop-in at anytime. Change occurs from the sharing of ideas and viewpoints. A pleasure.

[retsep81]

Wow that's not racist at all...

"20 million other lemming whites"

You are really racist AfriSynergy

[AfriSynergy]

.... and we're going to kick his butt in November, 2010 when all of those Limbaugh embrace politically get another thumping a year from now. Yes, I'm calling it right now just as I called it more than a year before the 2008 November elections.

Now that you know about blacks being the property of whites, how did those hundreds of years affect the generations of today? This is why we will go hard after Limbaugh, Beck and even you.

[bosarge82]

Lets examine how those hundreds of years turned out for black generations of today..

Not perfect, but American blacks live in the most prosperous and charitable country in the history of the world for one thing.. Blacks here have access to the best education and healthcare in the history of the world. Even our poorest black citizens have access to a multitude of saftey nets to prevent ouright starvation, demise and disease..

All in all, things could be worse had there been no slavery..

[AfriSynergy]

There are actually a few other countries that are more prosperous today. Definitely don't have access to the best health care, even though it is here.

The number one killer of black women in US is HIV/AIDS almost equal to the rate in Africa. Safety net isn't quite addressing this. Refer to Public Law 91-171 the manufacture of "SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENT" and then CCR5 Delta 32 negative vs positive based upon race. Two faces of America.......

[bosarge82]

Like I say, it's not a perfect scenario, but no one is guaranteed from contracting HIV.. It's a killer disease of terrible porportions..And if the cure isn't helping blacks as you might suggest, then what's the solution.. I havent' read your reference, but I'd be willing to bet if it was a profit-driven company seeking a cure it would strive to find a cure for all races becaseu money is green.. If that's a government conspiracy then we shouldn't trust the government..

[AfriSynergy]

The government is people, individuals some who have evil and racially hateful intent. I suggest you read Public Law 91-171, it's about mass murder. Who's being killed in those "terrible proportions"? Why are they being killed? Why has the US refused to sign on to proposed changes to UN Biological Warfare Treaty? I'm coming from a knowledgebase of which you likely have never ventured into.

[AfriSynergy]

A "cure" for HIV/AIDS is not desired by members of the US government. To know this requires knowing the purpose for this killer "agent" dubbed HIV/AIDS. First documented into law in 1969 as Public Law 91-171 and entitled "SYNTHETIC BIOLOGICAL AGENT", a program of the US Army, and cautioned to become a "mass killer of populations".

[AfriSynergy]

Where has Tiger Woods used racial stereotypes to earn his millions? Has Oprah done this? If the answer is no, the comparison should not be made.

Put the meaning of "self-serving" within the context of the subject, person and deeds.

[bosarge82]

Rush's passion is no different than Tiger having a passion. Tiger is the best golfer in the world.. Rush is good at analyzing political news, for good or bad.. Because newmakers include all races, blacks will be praised or criticized depending on their words or actions.. I've never heard him utter hate speach.. To be so sensitive over one man's opinion where you'd cry racism is absurd.. Challenge his points if you don't agree with his arguments, do not vicisously attack his character..

[AfriSynergy]

If you wish to praise Rush Limbaugh, do so. However, you have been bamboozled. It is silly to compare Tiger to Limbaugh in any way.

[bosarge82]

Why can't we compare two people who are different? You're saying because they are different I cna't draw obvious parralles to make a point.. Are Waters and Tiger above comparison? That's silly..

[AfriSynergy]

I'm saying you don't compare an apple to a steak. Talk host vs golfer.... that's silly. Your parallels don't make a point. Waters and Woods do not compare in any way within the context of the subject matter.

[bosarge82]

Limbough is a public figure who expouses is opinion on public policy.. Waters is a public figure who expouses opinion on public policy. One's white and one's black.. Both are influential.. That is a valid comparison my friend.. Wood and Limbaugh are talented self-serving people who entertain their fans.. We're were talking about the quest for money and I was stating that's not something to discount on motive.. It's a good thing both are self-serving.. Thus a legitimate comparison can be made.

[AfriSynergy]

Wrong. Limbaugh states opinion only. Maxine Waters writes and vote on what will or will not become law. Again, your comparisons are outside the context of the discussion.

Tiger entertains. Limbaugh attempts to influence people's thinking on politics and other social matters. Big difference.

Chattel slavery was self-serving for whites also. Jim Crow was self-serving for whites. Red-lining was self-serving for whites.

As I said, your comparisons are silly.

[bosarge82]

Maxine Waters doesn't have an opinion? Then who is that woman I see on the the opinion shows named Maxine Waters who espouses her opinions in a very convincing fashion? She's been on Hannity (opinion), Orielly (opinion), Olbermann (opinion), Matthews (opinion).. If all else fails let use another black pundit instead, like Sharpton, hey there's one, or Jessie, or Eugene Robinson, or Clarence Page.. There, does that make you happy with a comparison? Your arguments are all beside the point.

[AfriSynergy]

You finally get it. Compare Limbaugh to those who are in his general area of profession.

[bosarge82]

And just because someone talks bad about a black person doesn't mean he's a racist or bigot no more than Al Sharpton is a racist for wailing against whites.. Limbaugh is highly critical of Obama's policies jus the same as the black caucus was critical of Bush's policies.. But Rush is a bigot and Maxine Waters is a patriot.

[AfriSynergy]

Specifically, indicate a few things that Sharpton is "wailing against whites" about. Let's then evaluate the merits of that wailing.

Rush is a radio talk show host and Maxine Waters is a Congress woman. Why do you make these silly comparisons?

[bosarge82]

Sharpton knowingly and falsely accuses whites of being racist all the time.. He does so self-servingly as he victimizes innocent white people.. Who has limbaugh destroyed or sued or falsely accused of racism? Who's he hurt? Sharpton has a documented history of distroying white people starting with the Tawanna Brawley case where he accused the Dutchess County prosecutor, Steven Pagones, of racism and of being one of the perpetrators of the alleged abduction and rape.

[AfriSynergy]

Another silly statement: ".... being racist all the time". Prove it. Why would he and Newt Gingrich work together if what you say is accurate? Which "innocent white" has Sharpton victimized and name a case in last two years? Is Brawley the best you can do? How long ago was that? Silly.... You're beginning to bore me.

[bosarge82]

I'm boring you? And you're asking me to document cases which Sharpton used race as a battering ram against whites? THAT'S what he does.. And I think you know that but want me to start stating cases to entertain you somehow.. Nice try, but the entire country knows Sharpton's game.. Self-serving race baiter..

[AfriSynergy]

No not against whites but against specific whites who so happens to be bigots are pretty darn silly. We applaud Sharpton for his work. We are glad that he played a role in preventing Limbaugh from carrying his bigotry into the ownership club of pro football.

There you go again, "the entire country", I am the country. Sharpton supported Obama and Limbaugh supported Palin and McCain. Who did the majority of country vote for? Case closed.

[bosarge82]

Case closed? Obama was a very electable candidate.. What case does that prove sir? "We won so stick it." Is that your point? Are you actually gloating?

You call me bamboozeled? You probably agree that the cop in the Harvard professor arrest was a racist.. Objective people can look at that as a non-racist incident. Can you? The black leadership could not and white America took notice at the oft-tendency to cry racism where there is none.. That's devisive.

[AfriSynergy]

Sure, I do gloat sometimes, I have an ego.

No, I wouldn't say the police who arrested Gates is a racist. I would say he lost some control of the situation. Generally, whites do not see racism when those who have experienced it all their lives do.

About "devisive", the division caused and perpetuated in America was and continues to be conducted by white people and sometimes with a fringe group of blacks and other.

Yes, you have been bamboozled.

[bosarge82]

No doubt there's racism in America. But to say whites are the divisive ones is ridiculous.. I see it totally different..

White and black racism exists but the black racism goes unchecked and unchallenged. Jessie, Farrakhan and Al can say the most explosive things they can think of.. Whites at least try contain each other's words and actions by making it socially and morally unacceptable to be racists. I don't see the same restraint from the black community.

[AfriSynergy]

You see it "totally different" because you're not a student of history and therefore, is hopelessly lacking in fully understanding the social issues of the contemporary.

LOL.... what did Jesse, Louis and Al say that you found "explosive"? How did it hurt white America socially, politically and economically?

As I said, we have some blacks who are racists but how many of them have the power to systematically hurt whites with it?

[bosarge82]

Systemic racism? How do you address something like that? By bullying every white person who disagrees with a black person? By all means, go after those systemic racists, but lay off the rest of us.. Can you honestly not admit that Jessie, Louis and Al haven't made racially divisive statements throughout their careers? Thats what they do.. They incite racial annimosity towards whites in most everything they do.. Any incident involving a black and white, they are there attacking the white guy..

[AfriSynergy]

It's a question of how you will deal with it. Afterall, it is mainly instituted and managed by your group of people. They need to be educated so that they see white privilege, some don't even see themselves as being privileged.

I asked you to provide the statements from Jesse, Louis, and Al. I'm not going to help you with this one, you made the accusation, now back it up. There you go again.... "Any incident...." Refrain from such absolutes.

[retsep81]

Here you go...

"White folks was in caves while we was building empires... We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it." -- Al Sharpton in a 1994 speech at Kean College, NJ

'Hymietown' -- Jesse Jackson's description of NYC on 1984 presidential campaign trail

"The Jews have been so bad at politics they lost half their population in the Holocaust." -- Louis Farrakhan, Saviours' Day Speech, Chicago, 2/22/98

[bosarge82]

It's easy to call someone a racists. to do so flippantly because you 'believe it" doesnt make it true.. It's destructive and hateful given the consequences of being labeled that these days.. Whites don't hate blacks, but they do hate toblacks label their fellow whites as racists.. Usually it's a patently false allegation which really means it's an outright attack.. I don't condone white annimosity towards blacks, but I understand.. If you're that quick to call Rush a racist, can I trust you.

[AfriSynergy]

I didn't suddenly decide that Rush Limbaugh is a racist. I have listened to this guy for more than 20 years and that has given me ample time to know he's a bigot and self-serving guy, a charlatan. I am not one who easily conclude a person to be a racist or bigot.

[JPFranklin14]

It had NOTHING to do with building new refineries. It had everything to do with cutting production at the refineries that already exist.

There never was a shortage of oil. They were pumping it as fast as they could to take advantage of the artificially inflated energy prices.

I have traded commodities for over 24 years. There never was an oil shortage. ONLY a shortage of American's with brains as Bush and Cheney stole everything that wasn't nailed down while pretending to fight 'terrorism'.

[JPFranklin14]

Bush a conservative, what kind of sick joke is that ?

Bush did more to grow the size of the federal government than have the past 50 presidents combined. Since when is a huge federal government a conservative value ?

With the 'Patriot Act' parts 1 and 2, Bush and Cheney effectively gutted the Constitution. Since when has that been a conservative value ?

You phony assed blight wing neocons are no more conservatives than Limbaugh is free from oxycontin addiction !

[retsep81]

Bush grew the government more than the past 50 presidents combined huh? You know why they call him Bush 43? :)

If you would read my responses instead of blindly replying you would see that I agreed with you that Bush wasn't much of a conservative.

That being said, if all of Obama's plans go through he will grow the government significantly more than Bush ever dreamed of.

[AfriSynergy]

Were you complaining when Wall Street was being grown?

[retsep81]

I'm not sure I understand what that even means. Did I understand the housing bubble before it happened? I'll admit no I did not, which is why after the fact I took a considerable amount of time to understand it so that I would see it the next time.

[AfriSynergy]

We hear much about the government being "grown" but little about how Wall Street was being grown while it wasn't translating over to Main Street.

I understood the housing bubble six years ago and took care of my business before the government and Wall Street started to acknowledging what I already knew. One of the examples of media telling one story when I knew it was the opposite.

[retsep81]

That's exactly when the Bush admin tried to push through regulation (which I cited earlier in a bitly link to the NY Times), in 2003.

However if you owned a home already and are successful this crisis wouldn't have applied to you anyway because you would have probably put 20% down to avoid PMI and would have not signed up for an ARM.

[AfriSynergy]

I had a deal much sweeter than that and bailed when I saw what was coming.

[retsep81]

Also, since this entire time I feel like I have been bashing Beck, personally I actually like Beck better than Limbaugh. However, the facts are what they are and Limbaugh has more reach than Beck does. I could see a time when Beck would overtake Limbaugh, but we're not even close to that point yet. The more new listeners Beck gets for 9am-12pm the more people will spill over into Rush from 12pm-3pm and both will end up growing. They are really mutually beneficial for each other.

[retsep81]

It is ridiculous to say that the lack of regulations led to the banking mess. Please tell me 1 regulation removed from 2001-2009 that caused this. The reality is that government intervention through the Community Reinvestment Act pushed banks to make bad loans, then when Fanny Mae bought those mortgages it removed the downside risk from the banks who of course fell into the trap. Left alone the banks would have never made those $0 down risky loans to people with bad credit.

[AfriSynergy]

Community Reinvestment Act was only one part of what caused the financial crisis. Recall what has been happening since Reagan started getting rid of anti trust laws. Mega mergers solely driven by profits, investment banks receiving very low interest loans and then bailed out. This happened while Limbaugh was cheering it along in the name of "FREE MARKET" but it was thievery at the highest level. Republicans ruled, not Democrats.

[retsep81]

This just doesn't make sense. First of all under Reagan the House was controlled by democrats the entire 8 years, thus any such bill would have had to be passed by democrats first before the president would have been able to sign it into law... come on this is 6th grade civics. If anything any bad choices made at that point were bipartisan.

The point remains, without FM to remove the risk and the CRA to push it, the banks would have not given those risky loans.

[AfriSynergy]

Reagan, after he was shot and survived, was feared by the Democrats in Congress. Therefore, he got just about everything he wanted. I am not one to disagree that Dems and Repubs have done things in a bipartisan bad way, for example, blind trust of Israel.

Investment banks were going to do what lack of regulations allowed them to do. Afterall, they had become accustomed to huge profits. Banking/Finance, Oil & Gas, and Pharmaceuticals often 1, 2 & 3 in profits for years.

[retsep81]

Interesting that you mention Big Pharma, you don't have a problem that Obama cut a deal with Big Pharma not to negotiate lower drug prices so that they would in return endorse his healthcare plans?

Huffington Post no less...

huffingtonpost{dot}com/2009/08­/13/internal-memo-confirms-bi_­n_258285{dot}html

[AfriSynergy]

Such is politics when we have Republicans who stand at the door to block any progress for this country because it would assure Obama would be re-elected and Democrats even more seats in 2010, and I assure you, there shall be more wins in 2010.

[AfriSynergy]

Is your position that the banks are not to be blamed for any of this? If so, there's a history of these financial institutions doing terrible things such as this. What about the Savings & Loans collapse. That can't be blamed on Fanny and Freddie, can it? Who was in power, politically, at that time? What about Enron in the energy sector? There is a clear trend and the GOP is a clear common denominator.

Also, this didn't start in 2001 but earlier.

[retsep81]

The S&L scandal was entirely different from the current mess. So to compare them is illogical. Enron's issues are even more illogical to compare with this, not to mention Enron conducted all it's illegal activity under Clinton, but was caught under Bush, so there is not a clear denominator of the GOP.

The banks that participated in this made bad choices and should have been allowed to fail, even though they were encouraged by gov intervention.

[AfriSynergy]

No the S&L was not "entirely different". We're talking about financial institutions and government regulations. Both apply to both situations. Enron happened under Bush, not Clinton. I'm not one who will protect Clinton but it was necessary to correct you on this one.

Some banks were allowed to fail.

[retsep81]

First of all I'm very tired or I'd find you a better source than Wikipedia, however know that you are factually incorrect about the timeline of Enron, the corruption started in the late 90's and mostly occurred in the year 2000 during the Clinton admin (of course this is not to blame Clinton for Enron...but that's the correct timeline). I don't know why you would make up such a trivial and easily disprovable item.

en{dot}wikipedia{dot}org/wiki/­Timeline_of_the_Enron_scandal

[AfriSynergy]

As I said, Enron happened under Bush, not Clinton. Sure, the company existed during Clinton's era but it went really bad under Bush/Cheney. You still haven't disproven what I stated. We know the ties between the Bush Administration and Enron and the need to hide those energy company officials visiting the White House.

[retsep81]

This is all under Clinton in 2000...

March Enron CEO Kenneth Lay allegedly files fraudulent annual 10-K for 1999

March 13 Jeffrey Skilling allegedly signs fraudulent letters to Arthur Andersen about 1999 financial data.

August Enron CEO Kenneth Lay allegedly files fraudulent quarterly 10-Q for second quarter 2000

November 1 Enron CEO Kenneth Lay allegedly begins selling Enron shares.

November Enron CEO Kenneth Lay allegedly files fraudulent quarterly 10-Q for third quarter 2000

[AfriSynergy]

I see nothing in this related to Clinton. The mess exploded under Bush. I suggest you follow the money with Enron. Which party did they give the most money to? I know the answer, do you?

[retsep81]

Enron execs gave lots of money to Bush people, but then Bush people destroyed them and put their leadership in jail.

This isn't related to Clinton as I've probably said 4 times now, but it happened during his administration. You continue to be disingenuous about the timeline. The corruption occurred under Clinton's admin and was prosecuted under Bush's admin. Neither admin had anything to do with the actual Enron crimes.

[AfriSynergy]

LOL..... Bush didn't destroy them, the people they ripped off destroyed them and the Justice Department had no choice but to take some heads. Bush/Cheney had everything to do with it and the Republican Party. This is why their asses are no longer in leadership. The people revolted against them because they were not taking care of the people's busy.

[retsep81]

Well I would agree with you final sentence, Bush turned into a big government republican near the end and lost the support of the party, McCain was more of the same which didn't help anything.

The Bush justice department are the onces who prosecuted the Enron execs, against his is easily provable public record stuff.

[retsep81]

Really it is silly for you to claim the Enron scandal occurred under Bush, anyone with 2 minutes on Google can find you are incorrect. It was caught under the Bush admin, but happened under Clinton, which also makes me wonder if they were such good buddies why did Bush go after them... but really this is so easily disproven it really undercuts your credibility to continue to make sure silly claims.

Also I'm not sure what this deception gets you because neither admin was at fault.

[AfriSynergy]

"At fault?" We would still like to see the list of those energy executives Cheney and Bush were meeting with. Then we have the huge increase in oil prices, rising all the way to $149 per barrel. Who was that under?

[retsep81]

Of course the high energy prices came years after Enron had gone bankrupt. In fact Enron was trying to push cap and trade legislation so they could trade the pollution credits just as GE (who meets with Obama all the time) is doing now. You seem to continually connect unrelated items.

[AfriSynergy]

I'm not talking about crude oil prices relative to Enron. Enron dealt with other energies, electrical and natural gas.

There is no super secret list of energy officials sneaking into the White House in the middle of the night with Obama as there was with Bush and Cheney. You seem to avoid the reality of what actually happened.

[retsep81]

Oh it's not a secret, I didn't mean to imply that is was, again the NY Times shows you are wrong. Jeffrey Immelt of the General Electric has been visiting the White House.

nytimes{dot}com/2009/10/31/us/­politics/31visitor{dot}html

[AfriSynergy]

Under Bush, did we know which CEO's in energy field was visiting the White House? If so, how long did it take to get this information and what did Bush and Cheney do to try to prevent the public from knowing this information?

The NY Times? Please, I have been proven to be right on a number of key issues when the NY Times, Washington Times, CNN, Fox News and others were dead wrong.

[retsep81]

Not tonight you haven't. You jump from topic to topic as I use the NY Times, Huffington Post and other liberal sources to contradict you. I really don't understand why you stick to such poor points that are easily shown to be objectively wrong.

Beck Fox TV ratings:

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Beck = 9M radio + 2.2M tv + 1.2M web = 12.4M reach

Rush = 20M radio + 1.9M web = 21.9M reach

BTW... that's a lot of people between them.

[AfriSynergy]

Well, my friend, we will let time tell the story over the next few weeks. Glenn Beck, obviously, receives more attention that Rush Limbaugh. Of course the web also garners worldwide attention while Fox News and what these nuts are saying on radio don't.

[retsep81]

The term "regulation" is much too broad to link the two events. To say that there was any real connection or similarities between the two is to ignore all historical evidence. The S & L crisis could be attributed to deregulation, but the mortgage crisis we have now is the fault of over regulation and a willing quasi gov accomplice in Fanny Mae. In fact the Bush admin tried and failed to get congress to regulate (not deregulate) Fanny Mae in 2003.

bitly -> NY Times

bit{dot}ly/26mxBN

[AfriSynergy]

Thank you for acknowledging what I have stated all along, i.e., DEREGULATION. The same was true with Enron. You should drop the Limbaugh, Beck, and Hannity Fanny and Freddie line. It's dead and stale. We know it was far more than that.

[retsep81]

Beck doesn't have more listeners than Limbaugh, this is simply false, Beck is 3rd or 4th place, and has about half of Limbaugh's listeners. Moreover, Beck does not compete with Limbaugh because they are on at different times.

Furthermore you totally mischaracterized Rush's statement regarding wanting Obama to fail. He wanted Obama to fail because he disagrees with all of Obama's policies, so if Obama is doing things he believes will harm the country why would he want him to succeed?

[AfriSynergy]

It's your words against mine, and I standby mine. Beck is out-rating Limbaugh and Limbaugh feels the heat.

I characterized Limbaugh's statement as he intended them. He can couch his statement however he wishes but the meaning is clear. Limbaugh was for Bush, he harmed the country, although it was not Limbaugh's "belief" that Bush and Cheney would do this. Why then should anyone go along with what he "believes" now? He was wrong before and wrong now.

[retsep81]

Actually you are factually incorrect. Per Talkers Magazine, which is a radio insider magazine, Beck is 3rd place with 9 million listeners and Limbaugh is 1st with 20 million. This is not my opinion, this is reality. Also Beck is on 9-12, Limbaugh is on 12-3, they don't compete and if anything Beck draws listeners that then stay for Limbaugh.

Limbaugh was critical of Bush's spending as well, but Obama has already been much worse, so why would Rush want him to succeed at growing the size of gov?

[AfriSynergy]

Limbaugh has had "20 million listeners" for years. Who's doing the counting and are they really reputable? I saw a FoxNews report a little while back indicating Beck is #1, not Limbaugh. Either way, both failed in 23rd District of NY with their candidate.

Limbaugh don't want Obama to succeed in reversing Bush/Cheney's mess. We know a bigot when we see one and Limbaugh is a bigot.

[retsep81]

If you have this statistic then produce it. Beck is #1 for 5pm cable news tv shows, but is #3 on the radio. You are simply incorrect.

As for NY 23, a totally unknown 3rd party candidate campaigned for 3 weeks, was only listed on the ballot 1 time, while his opponents were both listed twice, and got 45% of the vote. He'll get another go around in 2010 without all of the confusion and with republican backing from the start. Also we won the big races in NJ & VA with massive swings from 2008.

[AfriSynergy]

I did not specify radio or tv. I indicated a higher rating across the board. Please post the google hits for Limbaugh vs Beck. It's 6 million vs what??????

To put it in perspective MICHAEL JACKSON garners between 166 to 240 million hits. These guys are small potatoes in a very big bond. BARACK OBAMA is 73 million.

[retsep81]

Again the amount of content on Google for a particular keyword does not have any bearing on how many people listen to a tv or radio program, there are many other factors that could influence that. Also Since Limbaugh does not have a cable news tv show at 5pm it would not make sense to compare them.

[AfriSynergy]

There are many factors that could and do influence any rating system. Are you afraid to indicate how many hits Glenn Beck receives in Google? I've already indicated that Limbaugh gets slightly over 6 million.

Limbaugh had a tv show in the 1990s and it flopped. He just don't come across well when that camera is in his face. Is it because he isn't "real", it's all just a show?

[retsep81]

The number of pages Google indexes is not relevant to this discussion. Beck uses Twitter and other means to draw more online mentions, but when it comes to listeners it is an easily provable fact that Rush Limbaugh has more, a lot more. I'm not sure why you continue to claim this, it's like saying the sky is pink... it's not, it's obvious.

[AfriSynergy]

Where do most newspaper readers get their news in the USA today? It is the internet, i.e., Twitter references, Facebook and a myriad of sources. Glenn Beck is cooking Limbaugh's goose and introduced more confusion in the Republican Party, which is a good thing. More and more tv and radio is moving to the internet. Rush Limbaugh earned what in the last 12 months? Beck earned $20 million. Limbaugh has a multi-year $400 mil contract, not guaranteed. We love Glenn Beck......

[retsep81]

I should tell you I do internet marketing for a living, so this is not a debate you can win if I'm right because I know where to look.

quantcast{dot}com directly measures glennbeck{dot}com and rushlimbaugh{dot}com

This means both sites use quantcast's tracking code.

You can see the comparisons for yourself, but Beck gets 1.2M/month and Rush gets 1.9M/month, so even in this measure you are again proven factually incorrect. Beck has temporarily spiked over Rush, but overall Rush is on top.

[AfriSynergy]

LOL..... it's not a "temporary" spike. I do data analysis for living....... You're "marketing" and I'm telling you just like it is. Limbaugh's hearing footsteps in the dark....BECK, BECK, BECK.

[retsep81]

The look at the data then, data analysis for big companies is the same as marketing :) My formal training is computer science data mining actually, but doing that for web marketing makes lots of cash :)

The data clearly shows Rush getting more web views than Beck. This is just obvious.

[AfriSynergy]

Sure but marketing entails more spin than facts when one is trying to sell his ideas or products vs the competition.  As Limbaugh growls, "I spawned Glenn Beck".

[retsep81]

It's interesting that you take a random off hand comment and begin to change your argument towards that and ignore the numerical evidence that I've shown you that Rush gets many millions more people than Beck across all media types.

[AfriSynergy]

I'm waiting for you to indicate how many Google hits Rush Limbaugh gets vs Glenn Beck.

Limbaugh ________

Beck ________

Let's come back and you fill in the blanks and I will then entertain your numbers.

[retsep81]

Google indexed pages is an entirely meaningless statistic for this conversation. Beck has 16.6M and Rush has 6M, if you looked at indexed pages Rush has 4,700 and Beck has 4,300.

Beck's combined tv, radio, and web audience is less than Rush's radio + web.

Beck:12.4M

Rush:21.9M

To use Google indexed pages at that level shows an entire lack of understanding of how Google's crawlers operate.

[AfriSynergy]

Again, how long has Limbaugh been at this?  Now compare that to Beck. Limbaugh is being displaced. How quickly is Beck doing this?

[retsep81]

It's always harder for the pioneer than those who come later. Beck wasn't the sensation he become on Fox News on CNN, he is benefiting from great promotions, and a much better environment than Rush had when he started.

[AfriSynergy]

Rush is a flop on tv, regardless of the environment and era of time. Why? Because when people see his face and body language, they know they can't believe or trust him.

[retsep81]

Really this is a silly discussion, yes Beck is doing well, but you are incorrect to say Beck has more reach than Limbaugh today... a decade from now you may be right, but for now Rush is still on top.

With that, good night, I'm going to bed.

[AfriSynergy]

Part 2 - Limbaugh vs Beck - Video coming.....

[AfriSynergy]

You can spin your conservative party candidate any way you like, but you guys lost big in NY. This is one more Democratic vote in Congress. The race in NJ & VA has ZERO affect in the Legislature (Congress). Also, when was the last time a Democrat won in NY 23?

Oh, we got an additional person in Congress elsewhere. I forgot where that was. Two votes in Congress to zero.

[retsep81]

The last time a democrat had NY 23 was in 1993 and it was Michael McNulty. This district also went 52% for Obama, so if anything they lost 3% from 2008.

[AfriSynergy]

I'm sure with some enthusiasm when it counts, that will be moved up to 54% in 2010. We know NY 23 is traditionally all Republican but it's Democrat now. That, my friend, is HUGE.

[retsep81]

So you lose liberal NJ and swing VA, VA Obama won by 6% in 2008 and Deeds lost by 20%, then you point to a small district where the republican endorsed the democrat and the 3rd party conservative candidate lost by only 4% and you think this is good for democrats?

I think it is good that you think it is good :) but if you are honest about this at all Tuesday was a devastating loss for democrats.

[AfriSynergy]

You're still trying to spin in the middle of molasses. The Democrats gained to additional seats in Congress. Governors don't establish national law, vote on health care reform, etc. It's good to have a few more Republican governors.

[retsep81]

The NY 23rd congressional race will not change anything, dems had a majority before and still have one. The NJ & VA races will influence dems in red states (or even beyond) or else they will end up losing in 2010.

[AfriSynergy]

We shall see but in the meantime, we will just have to add to more congressional seats to the Dems and zero for the Republicans. Those are the facts, not speculation.

[retsep81]

Is the other congressional race you're referring to NY 20? That was in March, Obama was a lot more popular in March... also the dem won 50.23% to 49.77%.

[AfriSynergy]

No, I'm simply saying this week two more Democrats were added to Congress and zero Republicans.

[retsep81]

Ok, I know what you're talking about now. California 10, it was previous held by democrat Ellen Tauscher this is next to Pelosi's district 8 near San Francisco... amazing a democrat won there.

This was not a net gain, so overall on Tuesday dems picked up 1 seat and protected 1 seat,

[AfriSynergy]

I will cut to the chase........ Do a google search of RUSH LIMBAUGH and then of GLENN BECK. Now, how many hits did you get for each?

[retsep81]

The number of pages indexed by Google does not have any bearing on listeners.

Transcript from Beck's show on 10/21/2009

glennbeck{dot}com/content/arti­cles/article/196/32205/

"From high above Times Square, this is the third most listened to show in all of America." ---Glenn Beck 10/21/2009

This is another silly position that is easily disprovable and I'm not sure how this advances your position. You seem to have a real problem admitting you are wrong.

[AfriSynergy]

It's not just about the listeners and viewers on radio and tv. It is also about how they express themselves on the biggest medium of all, the internet and google tracks that as good as anyone.

Beck, 3rd most listened to (radio), now combine that with his tv audience in non-primetime.

Not a problem on my part because I have shown you why Limbaugh is nervous. He hear the footsteps of Beck who is ripping the Republican Party apart. Hmmm.... formerly at CNN. I applaud him.

[retsep81]

That is still incorrect. Bill O'Reilly doesn't even get 11 million listeners, Beck (9 million radio listeners) gets less than O'Reilly thus Beck's tv + radio < limbaugh's radio program (20 million listeners).

Again this is a silly an easily disproven point on your part I'm not sure why you continue to claim this.

[AfriSynergy]

LOL...... Beck doesn't show in primetime and still sometimes beats Hannity who plays in Primetime. Rush, even after running his flap for 20+ years is getting his clocked clean by Glenn Beck. I know this is difficult for "dittoheads" to swallow but Limbaugh is on his way to becoming a has been.

[retsep81]

I didn't say Hannity I said Bill O'Reilly. I don't think Beck has ever topped O'Reilly although that is a guess, if it happened it is not a common occurrence.

Also I don't know why you think Rush listeners are not also Beck listeners. It's not like Beck and Rush have opposing ideologies. Also Rush's last contract was for $400 million... what does he care if Beck gets more listeners in a time slot that doesn't compete with him? But this has not happened yet of course.

[AfriSynergy]

Beck is already moving ahead of O'Reilly and that's not a guess. Never said Rush listeners weren't Beck's listeners or in the reverse. As I said previously, Rush has no guaranteed $400 million. Beck took in $20 million in 12 months. This is not about time slots but about who's going to be the main voice of whatever the Republican, Conservative, Tea or whatever party is to become over the next three years. Beck is winning......

[JPFranklin14]

The part that I really don't understand is how morons like Limbaugh fail to see that it was George Bush and his borrow and spend policies that destroyed America's economy. Also destroyed and gutted the Constitution with his Patriot Act and big government policies.

ALL the things that people like Limbaugh accuse Obama of, Bush did in spades while assholes like Limbaugh were busy getting whiplash looking the other way.

[AfriSynergy]

You're 100% correct.

[retsep81]

So because Bush was irresponsible with the debt it's ok for Obama to be even more irresponsible? Also what are you going to say when Obama and the democrats reauthorize the Patriot Act this year?

[AfriSynergy]

The Patriot Act has and will always be the Un-Patriotic Act. However, it certainly could be used as a "tool" to assure the neocons don't start blowing up things in this country and then blaming it on others. Some of them certainly have incentives to do so.

[retsep81]

Just out of curiosity you say the Patriot Act is unpatriotic, what is unpatriotic about the FBI/local PD and CIA/NSA sharing information? This was the main recommendation from the 9/11 commission report, are you saying that we should ignore the 9/11 commission report? The Patriot Act must be reauthorized every 2 years to make sure that it does not infringe on civil liberties, perhaps you should read it before making wild accusations.

[AfriSynergy]

Very much aware of the "Unpatriotic Act" and what it entails. It introduced illegal wire tapping which had to be modified. The 9/11 Commission, I'm not even going to touch that one.

You and I both know that the Patriot Act is far more encompassing than the mere sharing of information between agencies. It would be okay if it entailed sharing information only about themselves but it's far more than that.

[retsep81]

Actually Obama kept the wiretapping part unmodified. I'm curious why you can't fact check yourself, when I can fact check you using NY Times and the Huffington Post almost exclusively.

Again, from the liberal Huffington Post...

huffingtonpost{dot}com/2009/10­/31/obama-administration-seek_­0_n_340842{dot}html

[JPFranklin14]

So because one side of the aisle fucked up for 8 years and destroyed the economy now we should all look the other way and vote those same assholes back in who caused the problem in the first place ? ? ?

I'm not big fan of either side of the aisle regarding the good ship lollypop as it sinks and morons rearrange the deck chairs.

But you morons who are partisan bimbos fail to take responsibility for your part in America's destruction.

[retsep81]

Wow, what finishing school did you attend?

Nice Sal Alinski move to not address any of my points but attack me instead, you have learned well.

You say that one side messed up everything for 8 years, but in fact the Bush administration tried to regulate (not deregulate) Fanny Mae and Freddy Mac and the democrats filibustered it in committee.

[JPFranklin14]

'Finishing School', typical yuppie CRAP ! I grew up in the school of hard knocks yuppie.

George Bush was NEVER a conservative. The Likkud wing of the Republican party are NOT conservatives. The neocons were formed full cloth out of Trotskyite Marxism. Irving Kristol was an avowed Trotskyite Marxist.

2 weeks after El Presidente Bushwacker took office the price of gas at the pump shot up 50 cents a gallon and never went south since. Because production was cut at the refineries.

[JPFranklin14]

There never was a shortage of oil. The entire energy crisis was manufactured at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. Courtesy of Dick Cheney. It was the increased energy prices that caused the implosion of the American economy directly. The housing bubble and bank failures were just icing on the cake. I hold both sides of the aisle as being equally responsible because there never was an investigation regarding the artificial inflation of energy prices.

[JPFranklin14]

Then toss in the invasion of a sovereign nation based on lies (Iraq). So that Cheney and Bush could siphon the US treasury in to their favorite charity - the Carlysle Group. Trillions of dollars vanished in to thin air with no oversight.

That was the 8 years of George Bush and Dick Cheney in a nut shell. That is what that fat assed oxycontin junkie (Limbaugh) got whiplash looking the other way about.

The American economy was already destroyed before Obama ever took office. Bush initiated TARP.

[retsep81]

You are right regarding the lack of refining capacity, but we can't build any new refineries because of the environmentalists, this wasn't because of Dick Cheney. Also this wasn't the entire cost because the price of raw crude also went up.

[retsep81]

JPFranklin, I was being sarcastic. Also to call Bush not a conservative I could believe, there's plenty of evidence to support that, but to call him a Marxist is just plain silly. If you want to look for Marxists working in a president's administration I'd point you to Van Jones, Mark Lloyd, John Holdren, etc and Andy Stern might as well have a czar position he's visited the White House 22 times, that's the most visits.

[AfriSynergy]

Bush did not do this alone. He had a Republican Congress for 6 of those 8 years. They did it.

[JPFranklin14]

Rush Limpdick - Fat assed oxycontin junkie who hasn't got half a brain to tie behind his back.

[Barnesy10]

excellent breakdown,brother.

[AfriSynergy]

Thank you for your comment.

[jx14aby]

I intentionally do not watch mainstream media, and NEVER listen to rush limbaugh. Yet even on youtube, discourse is controlled by rush. I won't watch this either.

[Azzaiel]

the man is absolute trash, so yeah i understand