The Color of Money part 22/87, 1996, Efren Reyes vs. Earl Strickland, (race to 120)

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you are 2 stupid retardeds, thump me up!

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yea thx for the goddamn information

[wamaral89]

@GetMeThere thanks for the information

[GetMeThere1]

Announcer says: "A long follow through allows the cue tip to remain in contact with the ball longer--to give a stronger break." That's false--ESPECIALLY with a break cuestick with a phenolic tip. Contact between tip and ball lasts for only about a millisecond--no matter if it's the softest hit possible, or the fastest break. What follow-through does is eliminate any psychological tendency to SLOW the cue, in anticipation, before it hits the ball. This has been proven by high-speed video.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@GetMeThere1 what about when players use spin? The way most pros and myself think about draw specifically, is accelerate THROUGH the cue ball. Or push through the cue ball. This is really apparent in snooker players as well. To get good draw, players start out slow and after contact they speed their cue up. Cause Force = mass x ACCELERATION.

Just my thoughts. You can definitely contact the cue longer than a millisecond even on soft hits. That's the whole purpose of the push shot foul

[GetMeThere1]

@ProdigyKimXP : That may be the way you "think about it." But it's not the way it is. I recommend videos by user "DrDave," or visiting his website, for further information about what "stroke" is.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@GetMeThere1 I'm subscribed to drdave. It's definitely possible to keep the tip in contact longer than a millisecond for an average shot. Read the BCA manual for push shot fouls. It's when the tip stays in contact with the ball longer than that seen in normal shots.

On average, you're correct but it's it's not true for all shots, especially draw shots.

[GetMeThere1]

@ProdigyKimXP : You may be subscribed to him, but I don't think you've watched his videos and studied his material. If you had, you would know that, practically speaking, contact doesn't last for more than a ms., and extended contact is not involved in any way with "stroke." The action of a cue ball on a given table and balls is a function ONLY of the point of contact with the cue tip, and the speed (and angle) at which the tip was moving when it contacted the cue ball.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@GetMeThere1 I agree you are right in the average shot. But it's definitely possible in normal shots to have longer tip contact. What's so hard to agree with that about? I'm not saying every shot has a long tip contact, but you're claiming it's impossible for the tip to stay longer (taking miscues out of the equation).

I'll read up on the forums if you look up what a push shot foul is in the BCA handbook.

[ProdigyKimXP]

@GetMeThere1 sorry but I do watch most of his videos. I'm letting you know I disagree with you. If I had a high speed camera I could show you. I'm not good at explaining at things but it's obvious we're not going to change each other's mind so let's leave it as we both disagree.

[GetMeThere1]

@ProdigyKimXP : I recommend you visit his site, or ask him on the AZBilliards forum. You will discover that I am correctly relaying his information (and those of other physicists and engineers who have studied the question).

[yor519]

Why are those girls dressed like showgirls?

Earl looks hot though.

[GetMeThere1]

@yor519 : One of them looks like a "show tranny."

[theterribleairplane]

Earl "Zero-Turn-Radius" Strickland