@acerwk You're doing no shit to prove that shotokan is shit, while you're just trolling shotokan videos, Lyoto showed the whole world Shotokan is great. Guys where I train Muay Thai are looking for Shotokan, and many started learning it, for they are convinced that it is great, even for MMA. Machida senpai showed Shotokan Karate to the world, you're just a troll.
@Rnt911 Yes Machida,black belt in BJJ thats why he knows how to defend against grapplers.shotokan is shit doesnt have drills against hook punches.low kicks with the shin or takedowns like grapplers perform.only stupid gay ipoon .gohon kiumte.defenses against oi tsuki.what a crap
@acerwk Shotokan Doesn't have that ? Oo Have you ever practice real karate ? Not sport fighting karate, but the true martial arts ? I trained for 19 uears in karate, then stop saying that there is no such thing into that martial art when I can insure you that they exist.
@Sadoruro shotokan doesnt have thos ekond of drills.search all the federation and all the syllabus.they train only against oi tsuki/gyaku tsuki you like it or not.shotokan is for faggots.period!
@acerwk Man, you're a totaly stupid. I'm telling you that I practiced Karate for 19 years and still doing it, and I trained in those kind of attack, and you're coming here with no knowledge and no training in Karate to say to me what exist and what not exist in MY martial arts ? Dude, be serious !
@Sadoruro if you practice shidokan ,kyokushin or uechi ryu you can find in syllabus low kicks etc.shotokan doesnt have.take a look from all federations of shotokan the syllabus.!!!
@acerwk What you say make no sense. Syllabus of the federation of shotokan describe the techniques allow by the rules of point fighting karate, the sport side of the art. They have nothing to deal with the true martial art.
The only syllabus which is right for the true martial art is what your sensei teach you and say. I was trained and taught in the art of karate for 19 years. You have no knowledge and no training on this art. Thus, I'm right, you're wrong.
@Sadoruro the syllabus of Dan grades,belts exams and etc in shotokan doesnt have nothing.the other styles in exams they have drills (pair work)and renraku waza and kihon with all that.shotokan no.its simple.your sensei clear copy the other styles and teach to you their syllabus.sorry..
@acerwk You truly have no knowledge but try to compense with stupidity. Shotokan does have hippon kumite, jyu hippon kumite (the correct words) and kihon in its black belt exam like all other style. You absolutely know nothing about Karate.
I will just answer you "Gedan Mawashi geri". In japanese, it's mean "low kick". It exist in every style.
Just shut up, how could you imagine try to say to me, a 3rd dan with 19 years of training, what exist in MY martial arts !?! Go buy a brain seriously !!!!
@Sadoruro nice try stupid but no way!shotokan ippon.gohon kumite its just shit!the attacks are oi tsuki/gyaku tsuki you step back and counter with gyaku tsuki!and thats it!lol what a crap!I dont see ippon kumite against low kicks or hook punches or counter with low kick and takedown!in the other styles their kihon and pair drills are not only against oi tsuki!sorry shotokan is shit
@acerwk What authority do you have to affirm that on ippon to gohon kumite this is just about gyaku or oi tsuki ? Don't you think you're stupidly forgetting the kick in this affirmation ?
The point is that you got no knowledge. How could you ? You haven't even trained in karate. I'm a 3rd dan. I practice since 3 years old. I've done countless low kick, takedown and counter in kumite. I countlessly practiced kata that got it. Because that is true karate.
@Sadoruro ok oi tsuki gyaku tsuki and mae geri/mawashi geri.where in the world are the defenses against hook punches in gohon/ippon kumite?against low kicks?against double lege takedown?only against shit attacks!you like it or not shotokan is shit
@acerwk And yoko geri, kisame tsuki, ura tsuki, morote tsuki, kin geri, ushiro geri, oyayubi tsuki, mawashi tsuki, and a lot more ! You find everything inside, and if it is not into gohon-ippon kumite, that doesn't mean that doesn't exist, it is just elsewhere, in higher level exercices. Karate is not just about hippon-gohon kumite. Those are basic exercice, create to leanr karate. You do not learn ln in cm2.
You like or not, you're just saying stupid thing and appearing like a total stupid man.
@Sadoruro sorry in other styles there are drills that practicing all that.and in kihon too they practice the hook punches.All those are in the syllabus.in exams in everyday training.official material for belts how else I can say to understand.shotokan doesnt have that.some teachers stole all that from other styles and practicing too but thats not shotokan.sorry for your waste time in a gay art
@acerwk Ok, gimme a link for that syllabus, like that we will know. I'm telling you that I know what shotokan is, I know the techniques, you know absolutly nothing, if you think that you can learn what shotokan is about just by reading the syllabus then you're a complete asshole.
Oh, and you think you're gonna see an Oyayubi Ipponken on a beguiner exercice ? Don't make me laugth kid, you've already ruined your credibility. I practiced three different style, and that was always an high level tech
@Sadoruro for shotokan that is tottaly shit the hook punches seems super advantage technique that must be 5 dan to learn.for all the other styles in the world hook punches,low kicks with the shin etc its white belt techiniques that are in the syllabus for the yello belt.sorry shotokan is shit
@acerwk Sorry you're wrong. The hook punch (mawashi tsuki when you got true knowledge) is a basic technique that everyone have to know (the first kata you leanr contain hook punch). Plus I just check on internet for shotokan syllabus, it exist, like others. But do not mistake. If we don't use hook punch a lot, it's because it's efficient in a ring reducing your mobility and the rang, with rules and boxing glove. In real high level fights, hook punch isn't efficient because its range is to low.
@Sadoruro in shotokan they dont teach or use hook punches as the other styles (shidokan kyokushin)kagi tsuki tsudan its not hook or overhead punch to the face.different dachi different tsuki.sorry.
@Sadoruro Great one!They take it from kyokushin shidokan uechi or even thai boxing.But,,,sorry..its not shotokan...shotokan doesnt use overhead hook or low kicks.theu dont train their shin for give or block low kicks stupid.
@Sadoruro I can understand that you try to defend your style after all you waste so many years to train shit stuff so its kind of hard to admit you that you lost so many time.
@acerwk LMFAO xD How can you such stunborn and stupid ? xD Is it because I destroyed totaly all your agumentation ? xD I found you a video called shotokan low kick, I found you the syllabus where it is wrote that it exist, I found you every thing and prove,it to you, and you still do not accept xD What a kid xD just grow up xD
@Sadoruro you find one video that shows three guys copy kyokushin low kicks.you find one syllabus doing the same.and on the other hand we have the official syllabus of JKA,SKIF, etc that doesnt have nothing!nothing.Kanazawa,Tanaka ,yahara they all dont use it.sorryyyyyy....you waste your time with shit.damn
@acerwk No, I found you a video wherethree gyu show shotokan low kick. Man, deform precice title to make at your own advantage and don't recognise your wrong is so childish.
No, I found you two sillabus that show precisly the shotokan techniques, and I can found 5 more if you want.
@acerwk You were saying that on JKA syllabus there was just oi/gyaku tsuki and thus shotokan is shit right ? There the syllabys of JKA, look at the amount of different attack for the 1 dan
jka. or. jp/english/karate/dan_rank . html
And remember that is the program of the EXAM, not just all what you learn to go there. In fact there is more different attack in it than in boxing, MMA, Muai Thai, Kickboxing... then your statment shotokan is shit cause they just have oi tsuki is stupid!
@acerwk Are you completely stupid ? You're really saying me that a martial arts is shit when he doesn't have hook punch ? Oo
Even seeing that video where they got a KO in 10 seconds without the help of hook punch, when in MMA that can take up to 15 min with those punch ?
You little chair fighter saw a video where trained fighter take just 5 sec to put the other one KO while in MMA it can take minutes, and you still saying that it's shit ? You completly lack of common sense xD
@acerwk Shotokan have hook punch, it is called mawashi tsuki and I proved you with the syllabus. All other style have it to. But no traditionnal style use it because it is useless. The only ones who use it are those "kyokushinkai" style fighting on a ring with boxing gloves, what a joke. Those style are for faggots period !
@chrisgeorgegray Don't feed the troll ! I succed to beat him in private but don't make him be hungry another one time !
If not he's gonna answer you that Lyoto trains in other style of karate and in fact all he's decent moves he use in MMA aren't shotokan but from other style.
@acerwk In fact I trained in shito ryu mainly, shotokan, uechi ryu, ju-jutsu, and the martial art I created, and I reach a very high level that allow me to beat easily street guy or average fighter. Thus no, I dont think my years passed on shotokan was a lost of time xD
@acerwk Plus, the syllabus material is for the dan exam, from the 1st to the 5th. It is a program, but in fact 1st Dan just represent the fact that you have mastered the basic of karate. You thought that a black belt was an high level ? Totaly wrong, it is just a basic. Then techniques asked for the black belt are the more basic of the art. Then it is totaly shit to argue that if a technique is not in the syllabus for the black belt, it doesn't exist in the karate.
@acerwk In the kata named Teki you have a defense against a low kick, the thrid move. In the kata Sanchin you have low kick. In the kata Pinan sandan, the last moves are a defense against a throw and a take down. In the kata Empi, you have full use of the elbow.
Just stop to try to says me what exist and not exist in karate, especially when you give such fooly answers like yours !!
@Rnt911 No worries... he's confusing MMA, where opponents are sized up & felt out & softened up with jabs and such to set them up for a finish in a controlled environment, with real life-protection and survival, which involves exploding into one's assailant with EVERYTHING you've got while you can because you're proceeding under the presumption you WON'T get another chance. Different pursuits entirely, with differeing mindsets and objectives and training methodologies as a result.
Very strong karate. Great to see on You Tube. Probably not great to train at their dojo unless your health insurance is full paid up. No wonder with these guys in charge that I feel completely safe walking the streets of Japan.
Great vid. But I wonder why is it that ppl who have a primary emphasis in karate AND fight in the UFC or MMA end up just brawling and doing ground and pound? How would yoshimata muneo stack up to say a Brock lesnar who will just rush you? Or is karare's scope of effectiveness that narrow? Idk, just asking
In a real fight to defending his own life, who has the winner's advantage:
A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). Who's the one that will survive?
@555hansy There're both good. Shotokan is more for long range and goju is more short range but to say if shotokan is better than goju, is no. It's all depend on the karateka. I do shotokan.
@Weeraphat13 ok . but my goju sparring is like medium range , not short not long . and the sparring kinda looks a bit like shotokan . except that the gloves are red and blue
@555hansy From what I know, goju is more short range, but I might be wrong. Do you focus on a lot of katas and bunkai because in most goju ryu kata bunkai, there is a lot of close range fighting.
I do Shotokan and Tang Soo Do, amoung a few others. In tang soo do, all of our katas are borrowed from Shotokan. Personally i prefer shotokan to TSD, simply because the sparring ethic is better and more realistic, not to mention the stances aren't as low :D
I do Shotokan and Tang Soo Do, amoung a few others. In tang soo do, all of our katas are borrowed from Shotokan. Personally i prefer shotokan to TSD, simply because the sparring ethic is better and more realistic, not to mention the stances aren't as low :D
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What do these guys do when they get taken to the ground in a fight? I see multiple opportunities for that to happen in this video. I've watched high level competitions where competitors end up patting each other on the back with neither scoring. You are suppose to stop your opponent before they get that close, but that isn't always possible.
@torro454 The truth to your question is, that unless they train individually in other arts, they do not know ground techniques nor do they actually train in karate. read the comments on my channel, all of them.
@IEKUKATAKA What Okinawan Style do you now train in, and what "ground game" do they teach? It's been a while, but one contradiction is toward the end. I am not going to re-read it at this point. The rest is mostly semantics in which I am not interested. Though I think your approach is atrocious! I believe it is doing more harm than good to the Okinawan Styles! You might consider a different approach! Semper fi.
@torro454 Semantics is a study of word use, not karate. I suppose you do think my approach atrocious, you don't want me speaking out and you have a subjective view. My approach is direct and true, there is nothing to alter, simple opposition to deceit and delusion and why. Ground game, if you understood karate you would not need an answer and I do not believe there are contradictions in my message but I do believe you want there to be. You dislike my posts because the reveal the truth.
@IEKUKATAKA Ok, Leatherneck. Definition correct. Nix, nix und nix. You are an engineer? Doing research, do you use sources without documentation, or citation? I hope not! Substance in your page? NONE! By nature, your claims are unreliable. It's opinion, unsubstantiated accusations, and your version of alleged facts. You have an agenda; I have none. Only a Marine can truly understand another Marine... Few people grasp the full capacity of that statement. Think on that. Semper fi.
@torro454 If you read my channel correctly, it does give my very pointed and experienced opinion. IT IS UNSUBSTANTIATED and I do not apologize for it as I also state that objective people will take the information and prove it for themselves. However, if you know the syllabus of the JKA and are really knowledgable of what martial arts are, and you know JKA history and how they came into existence and you know of Okinawan karate and its history, you know the truth and that my assessment is true.
@torro454 I use the terms KNOW and OBJECTIVE and I use them to qualify who may benefit from my message. Those are people who already are aware of exactly what I have experienced to some degree, are aware of history at the level required to be able to put it together conclusively and they are aware of Okinawan karate to some degree also. Those people are armed with enough information to make an informed decision. All others are subjective and largely can not be reached in this forum.
@torro454 47 years of karate involvement, thousands of hours in a dojo, hundreds of hours of interpersonal experience with the very names you revere, decades of thought and research can not be fully explained on a YouTube channel. The core of the issue is given, I believe intelligent and self motivated people will act on their own behalf. And, yes, the defensive and subjective will argue and as long as they remain defensive and subjective the truth will evade them. Is that you?
@IEKUKATAKA I am defending no one, simply expressing my observations. Your assumptions are incorrect about me. Your near half century of training does not mean what you say is true. Even if motivated, my research begins where? Your paper is redundant. There is room for both core information, and a few References. However, it sounds like a JKA bashing session. I think a more invitational tone would help. Then one can also LEARN your point. It's the tone of your Rhetoric, not content.
@torro454 There are those that will criticize what I say no matter what I do. I can not please everyone and will not try. Only I know the responses I get and I get more positive responses than negative. So, as imperfect as I am and as confrontational as I may be, that is the way it is. What I say is true, you just choose to doubt it and maybe go no further. Re-read the material about the differences in the JKA and Okinawan syllabuse and if that alone does not prick your suspicions, nothing will.
@torro454 I started by being aware of contradictions and it grew by my paying closer attention, From there, I went back to the history of the JKA, who the people were, what they stood for, how Japanese politics had an influence on their behavior etc. I went deep into Okinawan history and why their karate was developed, how it is executed and taught. Thousands of details emerged but one was super clear. You can not change the product of one culture and it remain the same identified product.
@IEKUKATAKA I just saw your posts. So you were slow to discover this. I saw most of that within the first six months. Shotokan is more than what you describe, but is competition oriented, I will not slander. I am empathetic towards Okinawans and their Arts. Many of your posts are filled with anger, and resentment. A post below you state you hate deceit, also state the JKA is deceitful, therefore you MUST hate the JKA! Except for a tiny disclaimer u don't on your page. Hate is consistent!
@torro454 Given the comprehensiveness of Okinawan karate and the fact it is interpersonal combat based, how any person or group of people can see that the JKA teaches almost exclusively a sport based syllabus of punching, kicking and blocking (no striking, no throwing, no kusho, no real breathing, no ground tactics and on and on) and can not understand how that can not possibly be karate is beyond me. And, when I say teach I mean a substantial instruction, not just in one or two kata.
@IEKUKATAKA Why don't you give a few good references on your page? All your years of experience certainly you could do that! Let people decide for themselves what is right, without coercion! There is plenty of room on your page just get rid of the redundancies and carefully worded contradictions. I say this for the Okinwan Masters that I am sure also disagree with your approach. You expect people to do for you exactly what u slander the JKA for doing. Be honest, your approach is hate driven.
@torro454 This has gone on too long for me, I feel you to be entirely subjective and experience tells me you are ignorantly defending something you really know little of. BTW, 47 years of training does not mean I know everything there is to know, but it sure as hell gives me a leg up on most and a heck of a lot of insight. That is especially true given I was inside the JKA, not just Joe crap the rag man taking karate from some belt with a funny name. Take it to the bank, it is true. Gone!!
@IEKUKATAKA My motive is Prime Face! There is no such thing as entirely subjective, EVERYBODY carries biases! I defend nothing, your experience has mislead you. You do contradict yourself! I can't get through to discuss it. Give people some good references! I have trained and/or taught in JKA, ISKF, Kung Fu, Judo, and dabbled in a couple of others. I believe that a person should train in a discipline that fits them! I tried to help you see another perspective on your approach. That's all!
@IEKUKATAKA I have been approached by a couple of people on Shotokan sites who train in Salat. They are open, inviting, informative, and without hostility. Their descriptions are similar to how you describe Okinawan Styles. Due to your hostility and attitude, I would choose to train in Salat first. It has nothing to do with my history in Japanese arts, I have considered the Okinawan arts. Not anymore with that attitude! You are driving more people away than vise verse! Drop your ego.
It’s funny how everyone jumped on the Mixed Martial Arts bandwagon I have bad news for you guys there’s no Mix in Martial Arts only Marshal Arts. jiu justu uses stand up also. I have trained in the Arts over 27 years in several sytems all over the world thanks to the Army. I have always seen the same thing no matter the art the fight will always go to the guy with the better fight plan.(The one with the gun.)
@FistHard lol ur right i was just being a dick to see wat people would say lol, i think all martial arts depends on the practitioners ability and heart.
ppl who say that krav maga is the best for self defence and all other styles are useless are stupid ! . judo and karate are also effective for self defence . as far as i know , police officers in tokyo use judo to bring down the bad guys
i think shotokan is more deadly than kyokushin . this is made for the japanese self defence forces and military . and kyokushin is just for modern full contact sparring . i gotto to admit , this is more powerful . OSU
In actual combat or street fight, anything is OK. This includes groin strikes, tearing ears or noses, bites, elblow strikes, attacks on eyes, headbutt, crashing Adam's apple etc., but sport tournamnet are not allowed any of them. One of the first thing I learned in Karate was kicking groin or punching face with bear knuckles, so a real fight usually finishes in a few seconds, no entertaining elements for show biz.
nearly every martial art is useful and will work if used correctly, they are just differnt ideas. i have done karate for 12 years and it has taught me alot, i also trained mma and muay thai for a couple of years and i realised that yes it is wise to have a ground game but if you are true to your art and you only train that for years surly you will be alot more leathal than someone who chops and changes, no disrespect intended
The biggest problem, at least when I practiced, is that you run out of body parts. Torn ligaments, joints, the wear and tear can become severe. Once that happens you loose practitioners. It's a quandary, a double edged sword. A certain amount of contact and "steeling" the body is necessary, or you loose the very essence of the art. Serious injuries do occur. As critical if not more so is where, and how to strike, than power which is why there are rules in "sport" sparing including UFC, etc.
it doesn't look like it knocks out at a strike (as it claims), and more importantly it looks no different from other modern martial arts, such as hapkido or some specific branch of TKD (forgot the name). so i don't understand ppl arguing for one type of martial arts over another.
Martial arts = a lot of fun. I just started my first class as a Blue Belt last night. It was just after the school holidays had ended here in Australia, so I was a little out of shape... that hurt a great deal. Learning Hiyan Nidan (the second kata in the series) was a lot of fun though, it has a lot of power to it.
Anger is indeed a driving force, but I fear anger because it has well, clouded my judgement on more than one occasion. Perhaps the secret is but an angry body and a clear mind?
i have to admit, I didn't always have a good opinion of shotokan because when i was in europe most people used to practice sport karate more than anything else. But the more I read about Funakoshi and get to see displays of genuine shotokan, and the more appreciate the meaning of Karate...
@BareseMaledetto Then you might want to read the message on my channel site and think it over. If you really want to study karate, the martial art gem of Okinawa, you need to do just that.
Gosh, people, have respect for however people choose to train in martial arts - or indeed, not at all. All of these arguments about different martial arts, about how some are better or worse than others, blah blah blah...
Cut it the fuck out. I personally train in Shotokan (I'm a beginner, only Blue belt) not because I wanted to learn how to kill people, but to improve my life, my health, my well-being - and learn how to defend myself along the way.
@noxus418 - Ahhhhh... I'd have to agree there, but I've seen - and in rare occasions had - far too many "discussions" which spiral into arguments bordering on the edge of violence. These people would probably hurt each other if they met in real life. That's just how it looks to me.
I agree though. A good discussion when you're waking up is a great way to start the day. An argument is not. Anger rarely breeds health and well-being. But then again, I'm not a doctor.
@Tasinaka Very true. I agree with the whole sense of discussions spiralling into arguments, however that is assuming youre talking with someone whos ignorant or stubborn. Anger, well, when expressed it seems to be healthy. Anger itself doesnt seem to be bad for you unless you dont express it and swallow it, the problem seems to be mentally, with being angry all the time. After all, "Anger may in time turn to gladness"-Sun Tzu, so when can the gladness come if youre mad all the time, hahaha.
It's just that what I spotted back there previously was one of the typical catfights one can often see on YouTube. I'll admit, my response to them was not *entirely* civil, but yet I have much to learn, one would expect.
I must admit, when I sometimes go to the gym, and I pound a poor pincushion for around five minutes flat out, it makes me feel MUCH better.
I don't know. Perhaps, instead of swallowing anger, maybe it is better to be not offended at all?
@Tasinaka Hm, interesting concept, not being angry in the first place. It is pretty possible and seems to work very well for some people, such as the shaolin monks, who have found inner peace. Howere I would think you have to seriously think about the pros and cons. Anger after all when is energy, but if you go against it its not gonna go very well. It can possibly be a driving force, except one would have to learn how to cope with it. All in all this is why I like martial arts :D
Notice during the free sparring that none of the fancy karate blocks even come into play. Most of these guys would do better to spend their money on a good boxing lesson than smacking the air and screaming like lunatics.
@talon115 A karateka seeks to preserve an ancient tradition, strengthen his body, build his moral character, and pick up some self defense skills along the way. Those for whom effective self defense is the top priority should probably not make their first stop at a Shotokan dojo. Remember, these are military men; they know what works. They recognize karate's limitations, and yet still find value in training in it.
@LightxKira5643 Beaten them in a boxing fight or in a mma fight? Cause its very different using only your hands to having the benefit of grapples and kicks to someone who has no former training in such.
@noxus418 My fault? And it was no rule fighting, and btw, that's like saying. "You are trained in karate so you punch, grapple, and kick, but you are going go to against a boxer who ONLY punchs and you can only go for their head"
No rule fight, more extreme than mma and more realistic and that's all that matters.
@LightxKira5643 Hahaha i wasnt saying it was your fault, i was just curious as the rule set you were using. In a no rule fight of course the boxer is gonna loose, they dont know how to fight with anything other than their fists. They can punch someplace other than the head however, as they were trained to punch anywhere above the waist line. In a nutshell, its all about appreciating the sport for what it is. Its as if i said motion controllers are better than regular ones, all personal opinion.
Karate = one strike kill on multiple opponents. MMA = roll in the mud with one opponent and choke him out because you can't punch hard enough to knock him out. If there are multiple opponents (American ghetto gang), MMA will get you killed fast. Enjoy!
@MarijuanaWeedJoint That's Okinawa, Japan. I don't know if you get the chance to try that out there. Maybe look for a Shotokan school somewhere near you, if you want to learn that style.
@SuperBluepurple "wing" is "Wing Chun" (咏春拳 / 詠春拳). A Chinese kung fu style which is primarily based in Hongkong. Mostly connotated with Bruce Lee ( 李小龙 / 李小龍) and Ip Man (叶问 / 葉問). It's the most popular kung fu style in the western world nowadays.
Don't look down on karate guys, specially those mma practitioners. Respect this art i have seen masters of this art perform unbelievable skills that seem's impossible to believe. if they say mma is powerful, i say karate and other traditional martial arts are lethal.
Its funny that traditional martial artists feel the need to ridicule MMA. Just because one MMA fan makes stupid comments now everyone who punches wrestles and kicks is an idiot. Most people realize someone advanced in karate can kill or cripple with a single strike. I get a takedown or a knockout and continue to hit someone on the ground will they also not be killed or crippled.
@jblaze708 Are you really going to the ground in the street? I'm not saying that you shouldn't know what to do on the ground (and BJJ rules there); but isn't the ground ABSOLUTE last place you want to be? Seriously. Think about it. MMA is not a real fight, just like a karate tournament isn't a real fight. Karate fighters understand this. Do you?
@njtr What you imply is ill thought out. You end up on the ground by the very same scenario that you describe, you don't want to be there, many bar fights end up on the ground. You can not control every aspect of a fight, therefore, ground fighting is a must for the serious. Instead of defending your activity that has no ground fighting, determine the most probable scenarios of conflict and see if your activity covers all the bases. See comments my channel.
@njtr The ground is not usually an advantageous place to be, but most brawls end up there. People tend to shove and spear and shoot in a real fight, and when it comes to that, it's very useful to know how to handle yourself on your back, especially since most people don't really know the first thing about wrestling.
@TheHobophobic I understand what you're saying, and I don't dispute that guys shoot in. Aside from martial arts sport competitions, I've also been in real fights (street/bar/etc). So I know what you are saying is true. But, I would never TRY to go to the ground. You just have to know what to expect with the shoot, and how to defend it. A GOOD karate fighter can deal with this (ex Machida), and make a guy who shoots in pay. But, of course a karateka can't out wrestle a wrestler, so why try?
@njtr Shoot defense won't work every time though, you're gonna go down at least some of the time, and even wrestlers learn shoot defense. It pays to know at least a little ground game, if only to be able to sprawl out and get back on your feet. There's no real reason to not cross train in grappling, it really does complement martial arts well. Cross training in general is really always a good idea.
@TheHobophobic Hi. I didn't realize you were on here. Yes shoot defense doesn't always work, but no system is perfect. All have weaknesses, including my style. But I don't train to be a jack of all trades and a master of nothing. I train to master karate. If I was going to be training for the ring, than yes, I would grapple. But if I do find myself on the ground karate has unimaginably brutal techniques that could kill someone. That's why fighting is life or death. Sport different. Good night
@njtr So does wrestling. A chokehold doesn't have to be released simply after the opponent loses consciousness and there are several different ways a wrestler can break a neck. But many of the masters have cross trained. The founders of many different schools of martial arts had invented their styles after having cross trained and finding a style that they felt synergized with their art and their own preferences. Martial arts often complement eachother.
@TheHobophobic Of course choke holds are deadly. Also, in real life, joint locks aren't to "tap" someone out. They are to BREAK. PERIOD. I don't disagree that cross training can be useful. I'll add to your argument, by stating that Funakoshi and Kano cross trained together in judo. My only complaint about cross training is that some of it lacks the quality and polish of traditional training. The result is a cat fight. But that is just my experience. I'm sure that there is quality out there
@njtr Shotokan itself was invented by Funakoshi by combining Shorei-ryu and Shorin-ryu. Li Bajiquan was made when Li Shuwen combined Bajiquan with Piguazhang. Sun Taijiquan came to be when Sun Lutang combined Yang Taiji with Xingyiquan and Baguazhang. This kind of exchange has happened over the globe in several different martial arts. While borrowing concepts from different styles, the essence remains the same. How you prefer to use your body in the martial arts will always shine through.
@TheHobophobic I've cross trained myself. I've trained in kick boxing, taekwondo, judo, jiu jitsu, and hapkido, I've been in several grappling tournaments. But, once I discovered shotokan (10 years ago), it took over my whole training, and much of my life. I love it, and it is what I would use for self defense. But, Shotokan training is VERY VERY different from an MMA gym. It takes a long time before you spar, and even than, you are built up step by step, with basics. Very different training
@njtr My same history ... :) I totally agree ! After 15 years I came back to shotokan , to the basics ... it takes a life to improve a tecnique and make it stronger . When I was younger I didn't understand that meaning cause I was always focused on fightings and tournaments , the way of striking in shotokan is the most powerfull I tried on my skin , but it takes a lot to reach that level and there're not many masters able to teach this important aspect of this martial art
@44excalibur I agree, I now understand some of the things my instructor use to do when we spared. today it nearly boggles my mind... I have the highest respect for both of the instructors when I was younger. Regards
@TheHobophobic Please don't take my comment as disrespect to wrestling or any type of grappling. I know that they are extremely dangerous, and I've felt their power. I just train with what works for me, and that is traditional Shotokan Karate. If something else works for you, or others, than train in it as hard as you can. Also, I don't plan on getting into fights any time soon. In karate training, that's an ABSOLUTE last resort. Those who understand karate know why I say this. osu.
@njtr And I mean no disrespect to karate or Shotokan in particular, they're very fine fighting styles, and have often proven themselves in both MMA competition and in the real world. I just don't think it's a detriment to anyone's martial art to cross train. It's a common practice, even in the traditional world and historically. An *nth Dan in Shotokan that has trained Judo or whatever for so many years isn't any less of a karate-ka in my eyes.
@TheHobophobic Shotokan teaches you how to breathe, how to walk, how to talk, how to sit, how to stand, how to kneel, how to drink tea, how to drink beer and sake, how to act in public, how to act in private. There is meditation. There is respect. There is humility, courtesy, and discipline both on and off the dojo floor. You are not just training to be a tough guy. You are hard and soft, soft and hard. It is much different from a cage brawl on the first night. It takes years to learn.
@njtr Studied shotokan and am a life member of the JKA. Never, not in 47 years and having trained with numerous world names, did I get substantive training in breathing nor did I get substantive training in most of karate. You may want to read all o
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Ichigooo11 6 days ago
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3:05 kick in the dick.. u cant do tht in a competition
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danielcrf 1 month ago
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shotokan is shit!
acerwk 3 months ago
@acerwk so is your face but you don't see us complaining you faggot.
ghettobenz 2 months ago
@ghettobenz go kiss your boyfriend ugly faggot and stop flert other men you freak!Im straight I dont want you stop send me love messages!
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@acerwk Why do you say that?
thewillfulldreamer 2 months ago
@acerwk you're shit!!
acrocanthosaurus4 1 month ago
@acrocanthosaurus4 Get lost faggot.
acerwk 1 month ago
@acerwk You're doing no shit to prove that shotokan is shit, while you're just trolling shotokan videos, Lyoto showed the whole world Shotokan is great. Guys where I train Muay Thai are looking for Shotokan, and many started learning it, for they are convinced that it is great, even for MMA. Machida senpai showed Shotokan Karate to the world, you're just a troll.
Rnt911 1 month ago
@Rnt911 Yes Machida,black belt in BJJ thats why he knows how to defend against grapplers.shotokan is shit doesnt have drills against hook punches.low kicks with the shin or takedowns like grapplers perform.only stupid gay ipoon .gohon kiumte.defenses against oi tsuki.what a crap
acerwk 1 month ago
@acerwk Shotokan Doesn't have that ? Oo Have you ever practice real karate ? Not sport fighting karate, but the true martial arts ? I trained for 19 uears in karate, then stop saying that there is no such thing into that martial art when I can insure you that they exist.
Sadoruro 6 days ago
@Sadoruro shotokan doesnt have thos ekond of drills.search all the federation and all the syllabus.they train only against oi tsuki/gyaku tsuki you like it or not.shotokan is for faggots.period!
acerwk 6 days ago
@acerwk Man, you're a totaly stupid. I'm telling you that I practiced Karate for 19 years and still doing it, and I trained in those kind of attack, and you're coming here with no knowledge and no training in Karate to say to me what exist and what not exist in MY martial arts ? Dude, be serious !
Sadoruro 6 days ago
@Sadoruro if you practice shidokan ,kyokushin or uechi ryu you can find in syllabus low kicks etc.shotokan doesnt have.take a look from all federations of shotokan the syllabus.!!!
acerwk 5 days ago
@acerwk What you say make no sense. Syllabus of the federation of shotokan describe the techniques allow by the rules of point fighting karate, the sport side of the art. They have nothing to deal with the true martial art.
The only syllabus which is right for the true martial art is what your sensei teach you and say. I was trained and taught in the art of karate for 19 years. You have no knowledge and no training on this art. Thus, I'm right, you're wrong.
Sadoruro 5 days ago
@Sadoruro the syllabus of Dan grades,belts exams and etc in shotokan doesnt have nothing.the other styles in exams they have drills (pair work)and renraku waza and kihon with all that.shotokan no.its simple.your sensei clear copy the other styles and teach to you their syllabus.sorry..
acerwk 5 days ago
@acerwk You truly have no knowledge but try to compense with stupidity. Shotokan does have hippon kumite, jyu hippon kumite (the correct words) and kihon in its black belt exam like all other style. You absolutely know nothing about Karate.
I will just answer you "Gedan Mawashi geri". In japanese, it's mean "low kick". It exist in every style.
Just shut up, how could you imagine try to say to me, a 3rd dan with 19 years of training, what exist in MY martial arts !?! Go buy a brain seriously !!!!
Sadoruro 5 days ago
@Sadoruro nice try stupid but no way!shotokan ippon.gohon kumite its just shit!the attacks are oi tsuki/gyaku tsuki you step back and counter with gyaku tsuki!and thats it!lol what a crap!I dont see ippon kumite against low kicks or hook punches or counter with low kick and takedown!in the other styles their kihon and pair drills are not only against oi tsuki!sorry shotokan is shit
acerwk 5 days ago
@acerwk What authority do you have to affirm that on ippon to gohon kumite this is just about gyaku or oi tsuki ? Don't you think you're stupidly forgetting the kick in this affirmation ?
The point is that you got no knowledge. How could you ? You haven't even trained in karate. I'm a 3rd dan. I practice since 3 years old. I've done countless low kick, takedown and counter in kumite. I countlessly practiced kata that got it. Because that is true karate.
Sorry, you're wrong, that is all.
Sadoruro 5 days ago
@Sadoruro ok oi tsuki gyaku tsuki and mae geri/mawashi geri.where in the world are the defenses against hook punches in gohon/ippon kumite?against low kicks?against double lege takedown?only against shit attacks!you like it or not shotokan is shit
acerwk 5 days ago
@acerwk And yoko geri, kisame tsuki, ura tsuki, morote tsuki, kin geri, ushiro geri, oyayubi tsuki, mawashi tsuki, and a lot more ! You find everything inside, and if it is not into gohon-ippon kumite, that doesn't mean that doesn't exist, it is just elsewhere, in higher level exercices. Karate is not just about hippon-gohon kumite. Those are basic exercice, create to leanr karate. You do not learn ln in cm2.
You like or not, you're just saying stupid thing and appearing like a total stupid man.
Sadoruro 5 days ago
@Sadoruro sorry in other styles there are drills that practicing all that.and in kihon too they practice the hook punches.All those are in the syllabus.in exams in everyday training.official material for belts how else I can say to understand.shotokan doesnt have that.some teachers stole all that from other styles and practicing too but thats not shotokan.sorry for your waste time in a gay art
acerwk 4 days ago
@Sadoruro oh and you say in high level exercice?well in all the other styles that are in the begginer level!!!!!shotokan,what a shit
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk Ok, gimme a link for that syllabus, like that we will know. I'm telling you that I know what shotokan is, I know the techniques, you know absolutly nothing, if you think that you can learn what shotokan is about just by reading the syllabus then you're a complete asshole.
Oh, and you think you're gonna see an Oyayubi Ipponken on a beguiner exercice ? Don't make me laugth kid, you've already ruined your credibility. I practiced three different style, and that was always an high level tech
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro for shotokan that is tottaly shit the hook punches seems super advantage technique that must be 5 dan to learn.for all the other styles in the world hook punches,low kicks with the shin etc its white belt techiniques that are in the syllabus for the yello belt.sorry shotokan is shit
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk Sorry you're wrong. The hook punch (mawashi tsuki when you got true knowledge) is a basic technique that everyone have to know (the first kata you leanr contain hook punch). Plus I just check on internet for shotokan syllabus, it exist, like others. But do not mistake. If we don't use hook punch a lot, it's because it's efficient in a ring reducing your mobility and the rang, with rules and boxing glove. In real high level fights, hook punch isn't efficient because its range is to low.
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro in shotokan they dont teach or use hook punches as the other styles (shidokan kyokushin)kagi tsuki tsudan its not hook or overhead punch to the face.different dachi different tsuki.sorry.
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk fr.wikipedia . org/wiki/Sh%C5%8Dt%C5%8Dkan-ry%C5%AB
shotokancrsa . com/techms.htm
watch?v=sWTFJkKmwqU
Check for Mawashi tsuki on the first two link and look at the video of gedan mawashi geri (low kick) after.
Will it be enought for you to just accept what an expert tell to you kid level ?
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro Great one!They take it from kyokushin shidokan uechi or even thai boxing.But,,,sorry..its not shotokan...shotokan doesnt use overhead hook or low kicks.theu dont train their shin for give or block low kicks stupid.
acerwk 4 days ago
@Sadoruro I can understand that you try to defend your style after all you waste so many years to train shit stuff so its kind of hard to admit you that you lost so many time.
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk LMFAO xD How can you such stunborn and stupid ? xD Is it because I destroyed totaly all your agumentation ? xD I found you a video called shotokan low kick, I found you the syllabus where it is wrote that it exist, I found you every thing and prove,it to you, and you still do not accept xD What a kid xD just grow up xD
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro you find one video that shows three guys copy kyokushin low kicks.you find one syllabus doing the same.and on the other hand we have the official syllabus of JKA,SKIF, etc that doesnt have nothing!nothing.Kanazawa,Tanaka ,yahara they all dont use it.sorryyyyyy....you waste your time with shit.damn
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk No, I found you a video wherethree gyu show shotokan low kick. Man, deform precice title to make at your own advantage and don't recognise your wrong is so childish.
No, I found you two sillabus that show precisly the shotokan techniques, and I can found 5 more if you want.
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@acerwk You were saying that on JKA syllabus there was just oi/gyaku tsuki and thus shotokan is shit right ? There the syllabys of JKA, look at the amount of different attack for the 1 dan
jka. or. jp/english/karate/dan_rank . html
And remember that is the program of the EXAM, not just all what you learn to go there. In fact there is more different attack in it than in boxing, MMA, Muai Thai, Kickboxing... then your statment shotokan is shit cause they just have oi tsuki is stupid!
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro yes where are the drills against hook punches to the face,low kick with the shin and double leg takedonws???where??no where?what a shit
acerwk 4 days ago
@acerwk Are you completely stupid ? You're really saying me that a martial arts is shit when he doesn't have hook punch ? Oo
Even seeing that video where they got a KO in 10 seconds without the help of hook punch, when in MMA that can take up to 15 min with those punch ?
You little chair fighter saw a video where trained fighter take just 5 sec to put the other one KO while in MMA it can take minutes, and you still saying that it's shit ? You completly lack of common sense xD
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@Sadoruro shotokan doesnt have hook punch.ALL the other styles have.shotokan is for faggots.period!
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@acerwk Shotokan have hook punch, it is called mawashi tsuki and I proved you with the syllabus. All other style have it to. But no traditionnal style use it because it is useless. The only ones who use it are those "kyokushinkai" style fighting on a ring with boxing gloves, what a joke. Those style are for faggots period !
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@acerwk Erm there are some really decent MMA guys who train in Shotokan... Look at Lyoto Machida...
chrisgeorgegray 1 day ago
@chrisgeorgegray Don't feed the troll ! I succed to beat him in private but don't make him be hungry another one time !
If not he's gonna answer you that Lyoto trains in other style of karate and in fact all he's decent moves he use in MMA aren't shotokan but from other style.
Yeah, he is as stupid as this !
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@acerwk And you say that Tanaka tetc don't use it... look at this video stating at 0:35 and dare to say me that they needed it.
watch?v=3oQ5ROZC4Yc
When you will be able to do the 0.001 % of what they do, fighting without gloves at full power, you will be able to talk about them.
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@acerwk In fact I trained in shito ryu mainly, shotokan, uechi ryu, ju-jutsu, and the martial art I created, and I reach a very high level that allow me to beat easily street guy or average fighter. Thus no, I dont think my years passed on shotokan was a lost of time xD
Sadoruro 4 days ago
@acerwk Plus, the syllabus material is for the dan exam, from the 1st to the 5th. It is a program, but in fact 1st Dan just represent the fact that you have mastered the basic of karate. You thought that a black belt was an high level ? Totaly wrong, it is just a basic. Then techniques asked for the black belt are the more basic of the art. Then it is totaly shit to argue that if a technique is not in the syllabus for the black belt, it doesn't exist in the karate.
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@acerwk In the kata named Teki you have a defense against a low kick, the thrid move. In the kata Sanchin you have low kick. In the kata Pinan sandan, the last moves are a defense against a throw and a take down. In the kata Empi, you have full use of the elbow.
Just stop to try to says me what exist and not exist in karate, especially when you give such fooly answers like yours !!
Sadoruro 5 days ago
@Rnt911 No worries... he's confusing MMA, where opponents are sized up & felt out & softened up with jabs and such to set them up for a finish in a controlled environment, with real life-protection and survival, which involves exploding into one's assailant with EVERYTHING you've got while you can because you're proceeding under the presumption you WON'T get another chance. Different pursuits entirely, with differeing mindsets and objectives and training methodologies as a result.
PeterJRaia 1 month ago 2
@PeterJRaia Very well put!
jiggahippo 2 weeks ago
@Rnt911 As for defenses against grappling attempts and hook punches, one should learn & practice naihanchi.
And most of all, refrain from feeding the trolls :)
PeterJRaia 1 month ago
Very strong karate. Great to see on You Tube. Probably not great to train at their dojo unless your health insurance is full paid up. No wonder with these guys in charge that I feel completely safe walking the streets of Japan.
BelloBudo007 3 months ago
karate is mid range well this is
flashkiller45 3 months ago
Great vid. But I wonder why is it that ppl who have a primary emphasis in karate AND fight in the UFC or MMA end up just brawling and doing ground and pound? How would yoshimata muneo stack up to say a Brock lesnar who will just rush you? Or is karare's scope of effectiveness that narrow? Idk, just asking
tatsumakisempyukaku 3 months ago
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(Quiz on empty hands combat) Hi,
I always would like to know this answer:
In a real fight to defending his own life, who has the winner's advantage:
A master of karate with full knowledge of kata's bunkai and makiwara experienced or a Wing Chun master trained in wooden dummy (mudjong). Who's the one that will survive?
TheWolfjr 3 months ago
@11sixpounder I like pussy, so thank you!
njtr 3 months ago
is shotokan better than goju kai ? i do goju
555hansy 3 months ago
@555hansy There're both good. Shotokan is more for long range and goju is more short range but to say if shotokan is better than goju, is no. It's all depend on the karateka. I do shotokan.
Weeraphat13 3 months ago
@Weeraphat13 ok . but my goju sparring is like medium range , not short not long . and the sparring kinda looks a bit like shotokan . except that the gloves are red and blue
555hansy 3 months ago
@555hansy From what I know, goju is more short range, but I might be wrong. Do you focus on a lot of katas and bunkai because in most goju ryu kata bunkai, there is a lot of close range fighting.
Weeraphat13 3 months ago
@Weeraphat13 i dun know abt that . i'm still a begginer
555hansy 3 months ago
@555hansy well you could try asking your sensei what does he actually focus on. But who cares? Karate is Karate :)
Weeraphat13 3 months ago
@Weeraphat13 yup . there are different styles of karate . but we are one family .
555hansy 3 months ago
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I do Shotokan and Tang Soo Do, amoung a few others. In tang soo do, all of our katas are borrowed from Shotokan. Personally i prefer shotokan to TSD, simply because the sparring ethic is better and more realistic, not to mention the stances aren't as low :D
BenK8319 4 months ago
I do Shotokan and Tang Soo Do, amoung a few others. In tang soo do, all of our katas are borrowed from Shotokan. Personally i prefer shotokan to TSD, simply because the sparring ethic is better and more realistic, not to mention the stances aren't as low :D
BenK8319 4 months ago
sore wa hontou no karate desu!!! Budo no karate wa zen zen tigau sports no karate. boku mo karate shimasu dakará sono koto wa tchanto wakarimasu .
shotokanryu1 4 months ago in playlist karate
ESTE VÍDEO MOSTRA BEM A DIFERENÇA ENTRE O KARATÊ ESPORTE E O KARATÊ "ARTE MARCIAL".EM UMA SITUAÇÃO REAL DE VIDA OU MORTE O SEU ADVERSÁRIO NÃO VAI QUERER ARRANCAR PONTOS E SIM ARRANCAR A SUA VIDA.NO VERDADEIRO KARATÊ SE TREINA FORTE JUSTAMENTE PENSANDO EM SITUAÇÕES REAIS.
OSS!!!
shotokanryu1 4 months ago in playlist karate
Я в восторге! Сётокан тоже может быть будо каратэ!!! Огромнейший респект японским силам самообороны! Спасибо за видео!
Yoku deshita! Sore wa Shotokan ga budo karate des yo!!! Arigato gojaimas! Osu!
very good! thanks for this video. with best respect from Ukraine.
RyuKenso 4 months ago
why aren't they yelling hadouken and throwing fireballs at each other!?!? Isn't that the most important part?!?
MrSneakmind 5 months ago
@MrSneakmind sorry dude this is karate not street fighter . fireballs ? are u kidding me ?
555hansy 5 months ago
@555hansy o_o
i realize some things don't translate well over the internet... but... really...
MrSneakmind 5 months ago
this is a real karate!!!
shotokanryu1 5 months ago
This is real Karate and not McDojo crap.
FerDensetsu 5 months ago
"... as he demonstrates some of his technical marvels."
*KICK TO THE NUTS*
jakebreaker 5 months ago
@jakebreaker no fair play on the battlefield. no second place. win or die.
1982patriot 5 months ago
The Karate fight that starts at 2:49 had scared me a little bit.
Manchester13United 6 months ago
@Manchester13United That is a demonstration. Largely choreographed, but well done. Regards
torro454 6 months ago
What do these guys do when they get taken to the ground in a fight? I see multiple opportunities for that to happen in this video. I've watched high level competitions where competitors end up patting each other on the back with neither scoring. You are suppose to stop your opponent before they get that close, but that isn't always possible.
torro454 7 months ago
@torro454 The truth to your question is, that unless they train individually in other arts, they do not know ground techniques nor do they actually train in karate. read the comments on my channel, all of them.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA No, I did not say either one. I have, and you contradict yourself. Semper Fi.
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 Maybe you can explain to me in factual terms how I contradict myself as I try not to do so.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA What Okinawan Style do you now train in, and what "ground game" do they teach? It's been a while, but one contradiction is toward the end. I am not going to re-read it at this point. The rest is mostly semantics in which I am not interested. Though I think your approach is atrocious! I believe it is doing more harm than good to the Okinawan Styles! You might consider a different approach! Semper fi.
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 Semantics is a study of word use, not karate. I suppose you do think my approach atrocious, you don't want me speaking out and you have a subjective view. My approach is direct and true, there is nothing to alter, simple opposition to deceit and delusion and why. Ground game, if you understood karate you would not need an answer and I do not believe there are contradictions in my message but I do believe you want there to be. You dislike my posts because the reveal the truth.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
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torro454 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA Ok, Leatherneck. Definition correct. Nix, nix und nix. You are an engineer? Doing research, do you use sources without documentation, or citation? I hope not! Substance in your page? NONE! By nature, your claims are unreliable. It's opinion, unsubstantiated accusations, and your version of alleged facts. You have an agenda; I have none. Only a Marine can truly understand another Marine... Few people grasp the full capacity of that statement. Think on that. Semper fi.
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 If you read my channel correctly, it does give my very pointed and experienced opinion. IT IS UNSUBSTANTIATED and I do not apologize for it as I also state that objective people will take the information and prove it for themselves. However, if you know the syllabus of the JKA and are really knowledgable of what martial arts are, and you know JKA history and how they came into existence and you know of Okinawan karate and its history, you know the truth and that my assessment is true.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@torro454 I use the terms KNOW and OBJECTIVE and I use them to qualify who may benefit from my message. Those are people who already are aware of exactly what I have experienced to some degree, are aware of history at the level required to be able to put it together conclusively and they are aware of Okinawan karate to some degree also. Those people are armed with enough information to make an informed decision. All others are subjective and largely can not be reached in this forum.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@torro454 47 years of karate involvement, thousands of hours in a dojo, hundreds of hours of interpersonal experience with the very names you revere, decades of thought and research can not be fully explained on a YouTube channel. The core of the issue is given, I believe intelligent and self motivated people will act on their own behalf. And, yes, the defensive and subjective will argue and as long as they remain defensive and subjective the truth will evade them. Is that you?
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I am defending no one, simply expressing my observations. Your assumptions are incorrect about me. Your near half century of training does not mean what you say is true. Even if motivated, my research begins where? Your paper is redundant. There is room for both core information, and a few References. However, it sounds like a JKA bashing session. I think a more invitational tone would help. Then one can also LEARN your point. It's the tone of your Rhetoric, not content.
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 There are those that will criticize what I say no matter what I do. I can not please everyone and will not try. Only I know the responses I get and I get more positive responses than negative. So, as imperfect as I am and as confrontational as I may be, that is the way it is. What I say is true, you just choose to doubt it and maybe go no further. Re-read the material about the differences in the JKA and Okinawan syllabuse and if that alone does not prick your suspicions, nothing will.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@torro454 I started by being aware of contradictions and it grew by my paying closer attention, From there, I went back to the history of the JKA, who the people were, what they stood for, how Japanese politics had an influence on their behavior etc. I went deep into Okinawan history and why their karate was developed, how it is executed and taught. Thousands of details emerged but one was super clear. You can not change the product of one culture and it remain the same identified product.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I just saw your posts. So you were slow to discover this. I saw most of that within the first six months. Shotokan is more than what you describe, but is competition oriented, I will not slander. I am empathetic towards Okinawans and their Arts. Many of your posts are filled with anger, and resentment. A post below you state you hate deceit, also state the JKA is deceitful, therefore you MUST hate the JKA! Except for a tiny disclaimer u don't on your page. Hate is consistent!
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 Given the comprehensiveness of Okinawan karate and the fact it is interpersonal combat based, how any person or group of people can see that the JKA teaches almost exclusively a sport based syllabus of punching, kicking and blocking (no striking, no throwing, no kusho, no real breathing, no ground tactics and on and on) and can not understand how that can not possibly be karate is beyond me. And, when I say teach I mean a substantial instruction, not just in one or two kata.
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA Why don't you give a few good references on your page? All your years of experience certainly you could do that! Let people decide for themselves what is right, without coercion! There is plenty of room on your page just get rid of the redundancies and carefully worded contradictions. I say this for the Okinwan Masters that I am sure also disagree with your approach. You expect people to do for you exactly what u slander the JKA for doing. Be honest, your approach is hate driven.
torro454 6 months ago
@torro454 This has gone on too long for me, I feel you to be entirely subjective and experience tells me you are ignorantly defending something you really know little of. BTW, 47 years of training does not mean I know everything there is to know, but it sure as hell gives me a leg up on most and a heck of a lot of insight. That is especially true given I was inside the JKA, not just Joe crap the rag man taking karate from some belt with a funny name. Take it to the bank, it is true. Gone!!
IEKUKATAKA 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA My motive is Prime Face! There is no such thing as entirely subjective, EVERYBODY carries biases! I defend nothing, your experience has mislead you. You do contradict yourself! I can't get through to discuss it. Give people some good references! I have trained and/or taught in JKA, ISKF, Kung Fu, Judo, and dabbled in a couple of others. I believe that a person should train in a discipline that fits them! I tried to help you see another perspective on your approach. That's all!
torro454 6 months ago
@IEKUKATAKA I have been approached by a couple of people on Shotokan sites who train in Salat. They are open, inviting, informative, and without hostility. Their descriptions are similar to how you describe Okinawan Styles. Due to your hostility and attitude, I would choose to train in Salat first. It has nothing to do with my history in Japanese arts, I have considered the Okinawan arts. Not anymore with that attitude! You are driving more people away than vise verse! Drop your ego.
torro454 6 months ago
i love this video. :>
Uberboy07 7 months ago
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It’s funny how everyone jumped on the Mixed Martial Arts bandwagon I have bad news for you guys there’s no Mix in Martial Arts only Marshal Arts. jiu justu uses stand up also. I have trained in the Arts over 27 years in several sytems all over the world thanks to the Army. I have always seen the same thing no matter the art the fight will always go to the guy with the better fight plan.(The one with the gun.)
kwiknut 7 months ago
@FistHard lol ur right i was just being a dick to see wat people would say lol, i think all martial arts depends on the practitioners ability and heart.
kakashi2007 7 months ago 6
@ManndyLee tell me the rest of the story ip man
KusanagiMotoko100 7 months ago
ppl who say that krav maga is the best for self defence and all other styles are useless are stupid ! . judo and karate are also effective for self defence . as far as i know , police officers in tokyo use judo to bring down the bad guys
555hansy 7 months ago
i think shotokan is more deadly than kyokushin . this is made for the japanese self defence forces and military . and kyokushin is just for modern full contact sparring . i gotto to admit , this is more powerful . OSU
555hansy 7 months ago
@555hansy Agreed OSUUUUUU!!!!!!!!
taki255 7 months ago
Arguing about what style is better is stupid. If you can't fight you suck anyway, so quit the bullshit you idiots.
PunkHippie1971 7 months ago
i like karate its gud if u mix it with other styles
karatemma2death 7 months ago
@karatemma2death agree !
555hansy 7 months ago
@karatemma2death I quite agree with that.
torro454 7 months ago
chinese kung fu/wushu is much much better..... stupid karate lol
kakashi2007 7 months ago
In actual combat or street fight, anything is OK. This includes groin strikes, tearing ears or noses, bites, elblow strikes, attacks on eyes, headbutt, crashing Adam's apple etc., but sport tournamnet are not allowed any of them. One of the first thing I learned in Karate was kicking groin or punching face with bear knuckles, so a real fight usually finishes in a few seconds, no entertaining elements for show biz.
sf07creative 7 months ago
cameraman demente, proprio
arsAres 8 months ago
nearly every martial art is useful and will work if used correctly, they are just differnt ideas. i have done karate for 12 years and it has taught me alot, i also trained mma and muay thai for a couple of years and i realised that yes it is wise to have a ground game but if you are true to your art and you only train that for years surly you will be alot more leathal than someone who chops and changes, no disrespect intended
SuperPIMPful 8 months ago
The biggest problem, at least when I practiced, is that you run out of body parts. Torn ligaments, joints, the wear and tear can become severe. Once that happens you loose practitioners. It's a quandary, a double edged sword. A certain amount of contact and "steeling" the body is necessary, or you loose the very essence of the art. Serious injuries do occur. As critical if not more so is where, and how to strike, than power which is why there are rules in "sport" sparing including UFC, etc.
torro454 8 months ago
Lyoto machida uses this style of karate for his stand up and it is good if u know how to use it
Gusto821 8 months ago
it doesn't look like it knocks out at a strike (as it claims), and more importantly it looks no different from other modern martial arts, such as hapkido or some specific branch of TKD (forgot the name). so i don't understand ppl arguing for one type of martial arts over another.
loooooojason 8 months ago
oh shit 666 people like this!! im going to have to like this now
boehmtj 9 months ago
Martial arts = a lot of fun. I just started my first class as a Blue Belt last night. It was just after the school holidays had ended here in Australia, so I was a little out of shape... that hurt a great deal. Learning Hiyan Nidan (the second kata in the series) was a lot of fun though, it has a lot of power to it.
Anger is indeed a driving force, but I fear anger because it has well, clouded my judgement on more than one occasion. Perhaps the secret is but an angry body and a clear mind?
Tasinaka 9 months ago
i have to admit, I didn't always have a good opinion of shotokan because when i was in europe most people used to practice sport karate more than anything else. But the more I read about Funakoshi and get to see displays of genuine shotokan, and the more appreciate the meaning of Karate...
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BareseMaledetto 9 months ago
@BareseMaledetto Then you might want to read the message on my channel site and think it over. If you really want to study karate, the martial art gem of Okinawa, you need to do just that.
IEKUKATAKA 9 months ago
Gosh, people, have respect for however people choose to train in martial arts - or indeed, not at all. All of these arguments about different martial arts, about how some are better or worse than others, blah blah blah...
Cut it the fuck out. I personally train in Shotokan (I'm a beginner, only Blue belt) not because I wanted to learn how to kill people, but to improve my life, my health, my well-being - and learn how to defend myself along the way.
All this arguing is pointless. Really, guys.
Tasinaka 9 months ago
@Tasinaka You just aren't that into the martial arts world, it extends far.
LightxKira5643 9 months ago
@Tasinaka A good discussion improves life, health and well being wouldnt you say? :]
noxus418 9 months ago
@noxus418 - Ahhhhh... I'd have to agree there, but I've seen - and in rare occasions had - far too many "discussions" which spiral into arguments bordering on the edge of violence. These people would probably hurt each other if they met in real life. That's just how it looks to me.
I agree though. A good discussion when you're waking up is a great way to start the day. An argument is not. Anger rarely breeds health and well-being. But then again, I'm not a doctor.
Maybe I'm just still asleep.
Tasinaka 9 months ago
@Tasinaka Very true. I agree with the whole sense of discussions spiralling into arguments, however that is assuming youre talking with someone whos ignorant or stubborn. Anger, well, when expressed it seems to be healthy. Anger itself doesnt seem to be bad for you unless you dont express it and swallow it, the problem seems to be mentally, with being angry all the time. After all, "Anger may in time turn to gladness"-Sun Tzu, so when can the gladness come if youre mad all the time, hahaha.
noxus418 9 months ago
@noxus418 - I don't read enough :P.
It's just that what I spotted back there previously was one of the typical catfights one can often see on YouTube. I'll admit, my response to them was not *entirely* civil, but yet I have much to learn, one would expect.
I must admit, when I sometimes go to the gym, and I pound a poor pincushion for around five minutes flat out, it makes me feel MUCH better.
I don't know. Perhaps, instead of swallowing anger, maybe it is better to be not offended at all?
Tasinaka 9 months ago
@Tasinaka Hm, interesting concept, not being angry in the first place. It is pretty possible and seems to work very well for some people, such as the shaolin monks, who have found inner peace. Howere I would think you have to seriously think about the pros and cons. Anger after all when is energy, but if you go against it its not gonna go very well. It can possibly be a driving force, except one would have to learn how to cope with it. All in all this is why I like martial arts :D
noxus418 9 months ago
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noxus418 9 months ago
Notice during the free sparring that none of the fancy karate blocks even come into play. Most of these guys would do better to spend their money on a good boxing lesson than smacking the air and screaming like lunatics.
talon115 9 months ago
@talon115 A karateka seeks to preserve an ancient tradition, strengthen his body, build his moral character, and pick up some self defense skills along the way. Those for whom effective self defense is the top priority should probably not make their first stop at a Shotokan dojo. Remember, these are military men; they know what works. They recognize karate's limitations, and yet still find value in training in it.
storyacoustic 9 months ago
@talon115 Boxing usually sucks, I've beaten so many boxers and I've only met a handful of boxers who could actually fight.
LightxKira5643 9 months ago
@LightxKira5643 Beaten them in a boxing fight or in a mma fight? Cause its very different using only your hands to having the benefit of grapples and kicks to someone who has no former training in such.
noxus418 9 months ago
@noxus418 My fault? And it was no rule fighting, and btw, that's like saying. "You are trained in karate so you punch, grapple, and kick, but you are going go to against a boxer who ONLY punchs and you can only go for their head"
No rule fight, more extreme than mma and more realistic and that's all that matters.
LightxKira5643 9 months ago
@LightxKira5643 Hahaha i wasnt saying it was your fault, i was just curious as the rule set you were using. In a no rule fight of course the boxer is gonna loose, they dont know how to fight with anything other than their fists. They can punch someplace other than the head however, as they were trained to punch anywhere above the waist line. In a nutshell, its all about appreciating the sport for what it is. Its as if i said motion controllers are better than regular ones, all personal opinion.
noxus418 9 months ago
one punch kill - lol
too many steven seagull movies
I would keep my hands up If I were them. there's is no sense in punching against gravity and not protecting your face at the same time.
XxXxXJonathanXxXxX 9 months ago
@XxXxXJonathanXxXxX By punching from below your punch is more like an upper. Also you can use more of your back muscles.
WSOkami 9 months ago
Karate = one strike kill on multiple opponents. MMA = roll in the mud with one opponent and choke him out because you can't punch hard enough to knock him out. If there are multiple opponents (American ghetto gang), MMA will get you killed fast. Enjoy!
BobLeKatt 9 months ago
Beast!!!
ViewerNumber13 9 months ago
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shotokan is a great dance and awesome sport for little kids.if you want karate then study uechi ryu in okinawa or kyokushin/shidokan in japan.
acerwk 9 months ago
wish ppl wud shut up talkin shit on these vids n just watch them for fuck sake its embarrassin....oss
Darragh62 9 months ago
ótimo esse vídeo!
mumiakickboxer 9 months ago
fuck yea this looks brutal where is this? i want to try
MarijuanaWeedJoint 9 months ago
@MarijuanaWeedJoint That's Okinawa, Japan. I don't know if you get the chance to try that out there. Maybe look for a Shotokan school somewhere near you, if you want to learn that style.
GaolisVideoLog 9 months ago
My personal opinion is that wing is the best
Assasin96Production 10 months ago
@Assasin96Production wing?
SuperBluepurple 10 months ago
@SuperBluepurple "wing" is "Wing Chun" (咏春拳 / 詠春拳). A Chinese kung fu style which is primarily based in Hongkong. Mostly connotated with Bruce Lee ( 李小龙 / 李小龍) and Ip Man (叶问 / 葉問). It's the most popular kung fu style in the western world nowadays.
GaolisVideoLog 9 months ago
Don't look down on karate guys, specially those mma practitioners. Respect this art i have seen masters of this art perform unbelievable skills that seem's impossible to believe. if they say mma is powerful, i say karate and other traditional martial arts are lethal.
ivanjkd 10 months ago
Its funny that traditional martial artists feel the need to ridicule MMA. Just because one MMA fan makes stupid comments now everyone who punches wrestles and kicks is an idiot. Most people realize someone advanced in karate can kill or cripple with a single strike. I get a takedown or a knockout and continue to hit someone on the ground will they also not be killed or crippled.
jblaze708 10 months ago 12
@jblaze708 Are you really going to the ground in the street? I'm not saying that you shouldn't know what to do on the ground (and BJJ rules there); but isn't the ground ABSOLUTE last place you want to be? Seriously. Think about it. MMA is not a real fight, just like a karate tournament isn't a real fight. Karate fighters understand this. Do you?
njtr 10 months ago 37
@njtr i agree
MrRamboman123 10 months ago
@njtr What you imply is ill thought out. You end up on the ground by the very same scenario that you describe, you don't want to be there, many bar fights end up on the ground. You can not control every aspect of a fight, therefore, ground fighting is a must for the serious. Instead of defending your activity that has no ground fighting, determine the most probable scenarios of conflict and see if your activity covers all the bases. See comments my channel.
IEKUKATAKA 9 months ago
@njtr you obviously havent been in a fight
Cu3rnoD3Chiv0 9 months ago
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@Cu3rnoD3Chiv0 Oh really? Please explain.
njtr 9 months ago
@njtr The ground is not usually an advantageous place to be, but most brawls end up there. People tend to shove and spear and shoot in a real fight, and when it comes to that, it's very useful to know how to handle yourself on your back, especially since most people don't really know the first thing about wrestling.
TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic I understand what you're saying, and I don't dispute that guys shoot in. Aside from martial arts sport competitions, I've also been in real fights (street/bar/etc). So I know what you are saying is true. But, I would never TRY to go to the ground. You just have to know what to expect with the shoot, and how to defend it. A GOOD karate fighter can deal with this (ex Machida), and make a guy who shoots in pay. But, of course a karateka can't out wrestle a wrestler, so why try?
njtr 8 months ago
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TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@njtr Shoot defense won't work every time though, you're gonna go down at least some of the time, and even wrestlers learn shoot defense. It pays to know at least a little ground game, if only to be able to sprawl out and get back on your feet. There's no real reason to not cross train in grappling, it really does complement martial arts well. Cross training in general is really always a good idea.
TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic Hi. I didn't realize you were on here. Yes shoot defense doesn't always work, but no system is perfect. All have weaknesses, including my style. But I don't train to be a jack of all trades and a master of nothing. I train to master karate. If I was going to be training for the ring, than yes, I would grapple. But if I do find myself on the ground karate has unimaginably brutal techniques that could kill someone. That's why fighting is life or death. Sport different. Good night
njtr 8 months ago
@njtr So does wrestling. A chokehold doesn't have to be released simply after the opponent loses consciousness and there are several different ways a wrestler can break a neck. But many of the masters have cross trained. The founders of many different schools of martial arts had invented their styles after having cross trained and finding a style that they felt synergized with their art and their own preferences. Martial arts often complement eachother.
TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic Of course choke holds are deadly. Also, in real life, joint locks aren't to "tap" someone out. They are to BREAK. PERIOD. I don't disagree that cross training can be useful. I'll add to your argument, by stating that Funakoshi and Kano cross trained together in judo. My only complaint about cross training is that some of it lacks the quality and polish of traditional training. The result is a cat fight. But that is just my experience. I'm sure that there is quality out there
njtr 8 months ago
@njtr Shotokan itself was invented by Funakoshi by combining Shorei-ryu and Shorin-ryu. Li Bajiquan was made when Li Shuwen combined Bajiquan with Piguazhang. Sun Taijiquan came to be when Sun Lutang combined Yang Taiji with Xingyiquan and Baguazhang. This kind of exchange has happened over the globe in several different martial arts. While borrowing concepts from different styles, the essence remains the same. How you prefer to use your body in the martial arts will always shine through.
TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic I've cross trained myself. I've trained in kick boxing, taekwondo, judo, jiu jitsu, and hapkido, I've been in several grappling tournaments. But, once I discovered shotokan (10 years ago), it took over my whole training, and much of my life. I love it, and it is what I would use for self defense. But, Shotokan training is VERY VERY different from an MMA gym. It takes a long time before you spar, and even than, you are built up step by step, with basics. Very different training
njtr 8 months ago
@njtr My same history ... :) I totally agree ! After 15 years I came back to shotokan , to the basics ... it takes a life to improve a tecnique and make it stronger . When I was younger I didn't understand that meaning cause I was always focused on fightings and tournaments , the way of striking in shotokan is the most powerfull I tried on my skin , but it takes a lot to reach that level and there're not many masters able to teach this important aspect of this martial art
reppait 8 months ago
@44excalibur I agree, I now understand some of the things my instructor use to do when we spared. today it nearly boggles my mind... I have the highest respect for both of the instructors when I was younger. Regards
torro454 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic Please don't take my comment as disrespect to wrestling or any type of grappling. I know that they are extremely dangerous, and I've felt their power. I just train with what works for me, and that is traditional Shotokan Karate. If something else works for you, or others, than train in it as hard as you can. Also, I don't plan on getting into fights any time soon. In karate training, that's an ABSOLUTE last resort. Those who understand karate know why I say this. osu.
njtr 8 months ago
@njtr And I mean no disrespect to karate or Shotokan in particular, they're very fine fighting styles, and have often proven themselves in both MMA competition and in the real world. I just don't think it's a detriment to anyone's martial art to cross train. It's a common practice, even in the traditional world and historically. An *nth Dan in Shotokan that has trained Judo or whatever for so many years isn't any less of a karate-ka in my eyes.
TheHobophobic 8 months ago
@TheHobophobic Shotokan teaches you how to breathe, how to walk, how to talk, how to sit, how to stand, how to kneel, how to drink tea, how to drink beer and sake, how to act in public, how to act in private. There is meditation. There is respect. There is humility, courtesy, and discipline both on and off the dojo floor. You are not just training to be a tough guy. You are hard and soft, soft and hard. It is much different from a cage brawl on the first night. It takes years to learn.
njtr 8 months ago 34
@njtr they teach those in manner shcool better.
brazilianspiritzz 7 months ago
@njtr True, however what you describe is a lifelong pursuit. Regards.
torro454 7 months ago
@njtr Studied shotokan and am a life member of the JKA. Never, not in 47 years and having trained with numerous world names, did I get substantive training in breathing nor did I get substantive training in most of karate. You may want to read all o