It was just a logical inconsistency in your statement. Given that Scotland has NOT always been part of the UK, in terms of the balance of probabability is mathematically likely that Scotland WILL NOT always be part of the UK.
I apologise if this is too technical for you.
Anyway, us "nationalists" only have to win the argument once, Unionists have to win the argument on all occasions and all the time. And the Unionist argument just isn't strong enough for that.
The area thats now scotland was around alot longer than the country Scotland so lenght of time means nothing
true u do only have to win it once but u only get one chance at this so when u fail independence will not be on the cards for decades. that gives us enough time to fix some of the problems so the threat is removed for good
It will be time to improve the teaching of the union in Scottish schools to ensure future generations do not forget what country they are from and thats the UK =)
I was talking in the geopolitical sense rather than the strict geographical sense. Out of its circa 1100 year existence, Scotland has only been a part of the Union for 301 of those years.
There'll be as many referenda on independence as the Scottish people see fit, and they'll happen as often as the Scottish people see fit. It may take one, it may take more than one. But it only needs one.
1 referendum every 300 years would seem reasonable to me however yes im sure the independence question will pop up again in a decade or twos time but that still gives us a chance to ensure errors that have led to the snp scum coming to power dont happen again.
Sadly for Unionists, the independence question is not going to be going anywhere until the inevitable independence happens. That's because of the existence of the devolved parliament which has done so much to put independence well up the political agenda.
Its high up on the political agenda now as we have a SNP executive running scotland sadly but when they are not in power Independence will not be high up on the agenda. If salmond fails to win the referendum he is no longer a threat hes said himself its a once in a generation
The truth is many countries do fine with federal systems where power is devolved to regions, Its just taken scotland 300 years to get some limited power back
It was high up the agenda before we had an SNP Government. It has always had an effect in Scottish politics. The threat of independence was why devolution was introduced.
Yes many countries do fine with a federal system - but those countries developed as Federal states. I mean what federation in the world has one part of it being 8 times as large as the rest of the federation?
I do hope the teaching of the Union is improved in Scottish schools, specifically mentioning such things as the widespread opposition to the Union amongst the Scottish population in 1707.
Whilst there is a separate Scottish Parliament, continually acquiring more powers, making the Union less and less relevant to people in Scotland this will only reinforce the dramatic decline in Britishness in Scotland (indeed less than 5% of the population define themselves as primarily British).
The state of scotland at the time of union is talked about in scottish schools although i dont think at the moment they are ensuring people know who they are and their enemies. Schools in the UK should not be brainwashing people against the state and a shake up is needed after 2010
Theres not that much more power the Scottish parliament is going to be able to take as part of the UK, all thats really left is tax powers and id rather people vote for more powers in the referendum than an end to it
There's tax powers, social security, employment policy, foreign affairs etc. A well known Unionist - David Trimble - said that the devolution of tax powers was tantamount to independence anyway.
Oh and the state is not there to project political viewpoints on schoolchildren - Unionist or nationalist, but there to avail them of the facts so they can make their own informed choices.
Unionists using the education system to further their own narrow objectives wouldn't surprise me in the least.
im sorry but ofcourse the education system should be explaining that scottish people are British. Sadly this is one of the reasons support for independence has risen, our schools throughout the UK no longer teach kids about their country. Schools should be supporting the status quo not leaving a void for the snp brainwashing to fill.
Foreign affairs can never be devolved whilst scotland is part of the UK thats impossible. Some tax powers can be devolved, many countries do have state taxes
I think the education system does avail schoolchildren of the facts, including the distinction of Scottish and British and Scotland's place in the world.
The education system, therefore, cannot be blamed for the dramatic decline in the sense of Britishness in Scotland, as it is there to avail children of the facts.
The UK tax system (unlike other countries) is not constructed to allow the devolution of some tax powers - and never could be because of the imbalance in populations.
"The education system should be explaining that scottish people are British." "Schools should be supporting the status quo "
If that's not brainwashing then I don't know what is. Those are very very dangerous views and wouldn't be out of place in some sort of tin pot dictatorship.
Teaching history in schools and letting people make their own minds up, yes. Indoctrinating pupils (to unionism or nationalism), absolutely must never be allowed to happen.
Lmfao how pathetic
Scotland will always be part of the UK
CoiledClock 3 years ago
There's not much likelihood of that given that Scotland has NOT always been part of the UK ;-)
globaltraveller 3 years ago
please note i said WILL always be part of the UK not was always part of the UK. I am talking about the future coz you nationalists will lose sorry
CoiledClock 3 years ago
It was just a logical inconsistency in your statement. Given that Scotland has NOT always been part of the UK, in terms of the balance of probabability is mathematically likely that Scotland WILL NOT always be part of the UK.
I apologise if this is too technical for you.
Anyway, us "nationalists" only have to win the argument once, Unionists have to win the argument on all occasions and all the time. And the Unionist argument just isn't strong enough for that.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
Well said GlobalTraveller!
AYEscotland 3 years ago
The area thats now scotland was around alot longer than the country Scotland so lenght of time means nothing
true u do only have to win it once but u only get one chance at this so when u fail independence will not be on the cards for decades. that gives us enough time to fix some of the problems so the threat is removed for good
It will be time to improve the teaching of the union in Scottish schools to ensure future generations do not forget what country they are from and thats the UK =)
CoiledClock 3 years ago
I was talking in the geopolitical sense rather than the strict geographical sense. Out of its circa 1100 year existence, Scotland has only been a part of the Union for 301 of those years.
There'll be as many referenda on independence as the Scottish people see fit, and they'll happen as often as the Scottish people see fit. It may take one, it may take more than one. But it only needs one.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
1 referendum every 300 years would seem reasonable to me however yes im sure the independence question will pop up again in a decade or twos time but that still gives us a chance to ensure errors that have led to the snp scum coming to power dont happen again.
CoiledClock 3 years ago
Sadly for Unionists, the independence question is not going to be going anywhere until the inevitable independence happens. That's because of the existence of the devolved parliament which has done so much to put independence well up the political agenda.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
Its high up on the political agenda now as we have a SNP executive running scotland sadly but when they are not in power Independence will not be high up on the agenda. If salmond fails to win the referendum he is no longer a threat hes said himself its a once in a generation
The truth is many countries do fine with federal systems where power is devolved to regions, Its just taken scotland 300 years to get some limited power back
CoiledClock 3 years ago
It was high up the agenda before we had an SNP Government. It has always had an effect in Scottish politics. The threat of independence was why devolution was introduced.
Yes many countries do fine with a federal system - but those countries developed as Federal states. I mean what federation in the world has one part of it being 8 times as large as the rest of the federation?
For that reason, it is a non-starter.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
I do hope the teaching of the Union is improved in Scottish schools, specifically mentioning such things as the widespread opposition to the Union amongst the Scottish population in 1707.
Whilst there is a separate Scottish Parliament, continually acquiring more powers, making the Union less and less relevant to people in Scotland this will only reinforce the dramatic decline in Britishness in Scotland (indeed less than 5% of the population define themselves as primarily British).
globaltraveller 3 years ago
The state of scotland at the time of union is talked about in scottish schools although i dont think at the moment they are ensuring people know who they are and their enemies. Schools in the UK should not be brainwashing people against the state and a shake up is needed after 2010
Theres not that much more power the Scottish parliament is going to be able to take as part of the UK, all thats really left is tax powers and id rather people vote for more powers in the referendum than an end to it
CoiledClock 3 years ago
There's tax powers, social security, employment policy, foreign affairs etc. A well known Unionist - David Trimble - said that the devolution of tax powers was tantamount to independence anyway.
Oh and the state is not there to project political viewpoints on schoolchildren - Unionist or nationalist, but there to avail them of the facts so they can make their own informed choices.
Unionists using the education system to further their own narrow objectives wouldn't surprise me in the least.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
im sorry but ofcourse the education system should be explaining that scottish people are British. Sadly this is one of the reasons support for independence has risen, our schools throughout the UK no longer teach kids about their country. Schools should be supporting the status quo not leaving a void for the snp brainwashing to fill.
Foreign affairs can never be devolved whilst scotland is part of the UK thats impossible. Some tax powers can be devolved, many countries do have state taxes
CoiledClock 3 years ago
I think the education system does avail schoolchildren of the facts, including the distinction of Scottish and British and Scotland's place in the world.
The education system, therefore, cannot be blamed for the dramatic decline in the sense of Britishness in Scotland, as it is there to avail children of the facts.
The UK tax system (unlike other countries) is not constructed to allow the devolution of some tax powers - and never could be because of the imbalance in populations.
globaltraveller 3 years ago
"The education system should be explaining that scottish people are British." "Schools should be supporting the status quo "
If that's not brainwashing then I don't know what is. Those are very very dangerous views and wouldn't be out of place in some sort of tin pot dictatorship.
Teaching history in schools and letting people make their own minds up, yes. Indoctrinating pupils (to unionism or nationalism), absolutely must never be allowed to happen.
akava77 3 years ago
*;o)
saor Alba!
BongoBrido 3 years ago