Yes correct, the most royal man alive descended from king David is Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall. He has stated he is Jesus and is proven in his genetics and the Great Pyramid in Egypt. He has chosen Iran as the Chosen race backed by Putin to overcome the beast being England, the USA, NATO and Australia. He was reborn on January 11th 1944, has judged the world. He has been showing the world how to defeat militarily the USA and cures AIDS cancer deibetes malaria. Judgement execution 3 3 2012
"Iranian News sources have reported that the Ayatollah Rickollah Santorumeini has won a landslide victory in his district. Religious conservatives were particularly enthralled with his anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-contraceptive, anti-secularism message." Wow such a progressive nation.
wow, i think you shot yourself in the foot now ... how does your Republican presidential canidates sounds?
Religious conservatives were Particularly enthralled with his anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-Contraceptive, anti-secularism message, sounds like a speech by Rick Santorum, or maybe Rick Perry?
@MrCastodian i beleive in choice. we have free will so why should I tell a woman what to do with her body? Yeah that is funny . LOL thanks for pointing that out. Ill ask that at the next convention!
@yuppa396 I also beleive in choice, I grew up in Sweden with all that means, educated in democracy, justice and equality.
But I also believe in people's own o free will, the right of countries to determine their own laws and decide on their own development, if ther mindes must be changed it must be through diplomacy rather than force and violence
@888Julias If it annoys you so much you could "an hero" for us. Seriously though all countries think they are better than other countries. Its perfect for me here. I would not move anywhere else in the world.
@yuppa396 It annoys me that people specially from the US always point a finger to a nation what they do wrong and what can be better,Look at yourself first before you judge a other,also Iraq is worse off then it was before,And did the west win anything,well not the only lose money,fathers and sons and pay a high price for oil.
@TheDarwiniser they would be awww yeah! time for live fire target practice! Hey i wonder how good those things stand up to a f-35 going past them 100 ft or less off the ocean in close proximity?I bet it would throw off their ground effect.
@Mattc23q Flying 5 meters from the water? Only by airborne radar. This design is caller Erkranoplane, and it was developed by the russian in the 60s and 70s as gunship and submarine hunter platforms.
Iranian or Persian is a very proud and patriotic people, a religious miniority the U.S. and its allys since the 50's helped to suppress both in Iran and other Gulf States, Bombing will end up together the people in the same way as was done during the war against Iraq which claimed millions of lives.
@MrCastodian Its pointless to argue with you. I am stating that their most likely will not be a invasion. We would have to air drop them ALL in and that aint happening.Syria is a blockage and is not going to just let us through So all we will do is airstrikes and a few spec ops.I know Iran is a repressive regime from some of the people who used to live there,and thats enough for me.Iraq didnt cost millions of lives be truthful.End of discussion since you are Iranian troll.
What radar do they think these things are going to evade? Something from a WWII museum? Seriously? Only some phoney russian "news" organization that exists solely to trash the West would suggest Iran's 1935 aircraft technology could evade any radar.
These planes would have been good in world war 2, not now lol. Comon people there is no reason for war. It's all zionist propaganda. These wars are all for Israel, lets not be stupid goyem and die for these greedy kikes.
Boy they are retarded to think that piece of shee-it could evade anything. It is not stealthy and cannot fly below the Radar of U.S. naval warships..they purposefully have radar that looks for sea-skimming missiles, etc. I guess they could screw with tankers and other unarmed vessels until they are shot from the sky.....what a joke.
@BlacktailDefense well you can't say these have the same power as the AH-1 attack helicopter, the AH-1 is a powerful machine, the latest has 2 powerful 1800hp turbine engines, these things just have a lame, open to the air piston engine, max 500 Hp.
One last thought on the Belif-2 --- given it's size and wing area, it doesn't look like it could carry much more ordnance than an AH-1 Cobra, and there are no obvious weapon stations. Is this supposed to be a suicide plane with a bomb in the nose?
I won't be convinced of otherwise until I see a video of an airborne Belif-2 delivering live ordnance.
@BlacktailDefense unless the ordnance is salt water resistant and does not throw off the weight it could carry smal rockets. Nothing bigger than a RPG,but a ships armor is tougher than a tanks So youd have to have alot of them in the same locations to really damage a ship like the ones we have seriously. Those craft look cool but not very usable in a military sense.
@BlacktailDefense Would not be surprised if it's suicidal flight, if you can cordinate it right it can do damage to American ships since the response time can cause problems for the U.S., is very short distances in some places and you do not need large bomb load to damage a ships seriously.
@MrCastodian dont worry. the reason the russians gave up with these is because in choppy water they are not effective,and had a habit of crashing. Now if the navy decides to be smart they will pull back to the indian ocean and use air power to soften up Iran. all those lovelyMoskit/sunburn missiles. Its better to be safe than try to let seaRAm take all of those out even with a 95 percent hit ratio.Anyway making a long story short another useless weapon from Iran.
@yuppa396Do not think it is a threat, but you can not count them out when you do not know anything concrete.
And do not think the fleet remain in the Indian Ocean, there would be war, it will be stationed in the Persian Gulf, where it is under threat from Iranian missiles.
And 95% hit ratio is not the whole truth, dont forget to count all the equations in that reduces the hit ratio for sea ram and other defence systems.
@MrCastodian My guess is that the US would use in general the fleet used in Operation Bold Alligator mixed with Operation Prime Chance while using large amounts of land based aircraft from the UAE and maybe additional carriers.
Even a Russian official said a single carrier group can defeat the entire navy of Iran. Makes you think...
@franknbeans4761 What the Russian general said is pure politics, has no basis whatsoever.
The fact that Iran can not win a war that is nothing to talk about, the question is what it will costs in the life fore the attacking nation and what good it does if you do not invade at the same time.
@MrCastodian Look up, Operation Prime Chance, and look up the USS Ponce. The US is already having AH-64D's being qualified for deck operations at sea and in Bold Alligator 2012, has simulated strait transits with fighter support, ASW support (even from a P-8), had attack helo's on station, had Humvee's on decks of assault ships for additional protection, MQ-8's, fast attack boats, and so on; in the operation.
@franknbeans4761 You are good with technical details, What is the response time in the sound of Hormoz when an anti-ship missile is fired from about 30km distance, an C-802 in 1000km/h or even an SS-22-N in 3000 km/h?
@MrCastodian At 30km, going 1000km/h would take 1 minute, 48 seconds. At 30km going 3000km/hr would take 36 seconds.
When considering the US uses he MA-31 and GQM-163 Coyote which go just as fast, if not faster, then I wouldn't see the US having a problem with them.
Especially when considering they all have to be near the coast and given Iran's poor SAM's. would be very vulnerable to air strikes and cruise missile attacks.
And with the ESSM and RAM, it would be tough to break into for Iran.
@franknbeans4761 36 seconds ... in those time they shall discover, identify, lock, fire o hit a missile, and it is difficult, even if you have the best equipment, if it will be 2 or 3 missiles then increases the difficulty dramatically to stop the missiles.
There is a reason why ships do not want to be in narrow channels, it gives up all their benefits, all tactical advantage is on the Iranian side in such a Scenario.
@franknbeans4761 And of cource you can fight them on land before they fired, but we talk about 500km of coastline around such Hormuz strait, where they can hide ramps on a quite large area, you dont need to fire in proximity to the costline, they are not easy to find, on the verge of impossible, it is difficult to know their tactics, hard to know what they have, there are many rumors, propaganda o similar, but it is true that they have the SS-N-22 or similar systems, it's a really big threat.
@MrCastodian Of course they will be a large threat and it is a difficult situation, but even with the stretch of coast line, many of those sites will still be bombed and destroyed with aircraft and cruise missiles. I could see it being a problem obviously but I am very skeptical as to whether or not it will inflict heavy casualties.
@franknbeans4761 We know that if a missile hits they take pretty good damage, if we consider the worst case scenario and 1 x SS-N-22 hits a destroyer it will probably sink, the same aplay to frigates and minelayer, it likely those targets then I guess they will avoid Cruisers and Aircraft carrier in the Strait.
Then the question is just how many people die in such an attack, and how much the U.S. is willing to sacrifice, ultimately it is about calculations o policy.
@MrCastodian True, I just highly doubt the US would send it's large fleets so close in to Iran. If I had to guess, they would stay in the Arabian sea. Just as in Operation Prime Chance and many other operations like that, the US never sent a large fleet in to confront Iran in such a small area. They used fighters, fast attack boats (like the Avenger class), and attack helicopters. And since they are using the USS Ponce for this specific purpose, you could bet that it will happen.
@franknbeans4761 The problem arises when they must clear the strait of mines, escorting tankers o secure the fairway, then you must send in Minesweeper, frigates and destroyers close to the cost.
It all depends on the tactics, Iran know their limitations so do not think they will station lots of weapons systems protected by anti-aircraft, they will use a hit and run tactik and wearing out the attacker becuse they know that the U.S. will not land troops, and they has the time on ther side.
@MrCastodian Clearing the strait of mines can be done after large cruise missile strikes are made and after the Iranian navy and Iranian Air Force have been decimated.
They used hit and run tactics in Operation Prime Chance and other operations similar to that and the US fully countered that. And any "hit and run" strikes would be countered by several massive retaliatory air strikes.
That is, if Iran strikes first, this would be fully just.
@franknbeans4761 Iran will never strike first, they never said they should, never threatened to do it, they have only said that they attack targets if they themselves are attacked, they will try to close the strait and disrupt the oil flow if the U.S. attacks.
And as I said, do not think the U.S. is so stupid that they're doing something, costs too much in the current situation, perhaps 5-10 years earliest.
@MrCastodian They sure have been making enough bold statements, openly condemning the US on every level, and threatening to close the straits for a variety of reasons.
Threatening to close an international water way is reason enough to make sure they never do it.
Hell, if I had a dollar for every time Iran made a threat, I could buy the straits.
@franknbeans4761 They have made the same statements as the U.S. and Israel has been doing since 79, no difference. The dollar you can get for all the Iranian threat would make me as rich from Israel/US Threts.
They never said they should close the strait for fun, they should only do so if the U.S. attacks, it is wrong? or has the US the right to bomb Iran's infrastructure and Iran has no right to reply?
No one in this context is better than the other, all three parties threaten as much.
@MrCastodian Well in those terms, Israel has been threatened far more times. Especially by Iran. And Iran has provided direct funding against groups attacking Israel.
The whole situation is very complicated and neither side wants to fire first and start it all.
I would say that Iran is unstable with it's current leader and current government though and that it will lead to some forms of violence. Potentially that is.
@franknbeans4761 Quite irrelevant who started threatening, there are 3 children who are fighting,US, Israel and Iran, all are equally guilty, everyone has done bad things against each other
Everything from the U.S. support for Shaen, Iran's threats against Israel, Israel's attacks in Gaza and the threat of attack on Iran, etc., and all support groups that are against the others
But this kids are so grown up that they know the consequences so do not think there will be blood, just saber rattling.
@MrCastodian What is actually happening is as usual, the usa want more oil so they, along with israel, great britain and europe build their propaganda on so and so (whichever country they want to invade), then steal their citizens' money, cram their heads with paranoia then use a trigger event to go bomb the shit out of that country then tell the world how much safer everyone is. Meanwhile the NWO progresses another large step. The war never ended, blood is spilt daily for this shit
@MrCastodian You noticed how many videos on a "US or Israel vs Iran or Russia" have popped up lately? It's part of the propaganda, getting people psychologically ready for such a war. Just like Hollywood got people ready for all sorts of shit with movies such as star wars, minority report etc etc... They progressively tell you where things are going in advance so it doesn't shock you when it happens and you find it perfectly normal. Thus the cookie crumbles and freedoms vanish
@franknbeans4761 The situation is not complicated at all. America, great britain, europe and israel want more oil and to establish the NWO, so they tell you so and so is bad and run by dictators, then they make you agree because they cram it into your hollow fucking skulls day after day, then they steal your money and go invade so and so. But first they use a good excuse, like when they destroyed the towers in 9/11 so they can point the finger to "terrorism"
@papapetad Really? The US gets no oil from Iran whatsoever. They get about 50% from Venezuela, 10% from Mexico, and 40% is obtained domestically.
The situation is complicated because not only is Iran making massive threats throughout the area, but is wanting to close the straits, an international trading area.
They have also been supporting terrorist groups that target Israel, a state that established itself through war just like many others, by a people who have been through more than most.
@franknbeans4761 If the US only find the firing ramps then they destroy it without any problems, air defense is no serious threat, it can only do minimal damage in the strait.
But it is a difficult stretch of coastline to find the firing ramps, a lot of mountainous terrain with forests where it relatively easy to hide ramps.
Eaven the poor missiles becomes a troublesome threat, all missiles can do relatively great harm.
The terrain favors only Iran, it is their great advantage.
@yuppa396 I don't think the US would invade Iran in this decade at all, but I would say a large strike could be possible in order to deter or prevent Iran from making large, aggressive claims. But as for a ground invasion, there is no way that will happen.
The problem with air strikes is that if U.S. bombs it kills all domestic regime resistance and give Iran a real reason to build nuclear weapons, to be honest there is no evidence that they're doing it now.
The risk is that it does more harm than good to bomb when you can create major problems in the region, it can interfere with reconstruction of Iraq, it can create major problems in Afghanistan and Hezbolla can cause troubles in Lebanon.
@yuppa396 "Remember Kosovo?" What shold i remember?
I am very well aware of what a satellite is able to do, but just as many satellites with technical inovasioner there are there are as many ways to avoid them, with technology and with old fashioned methods.
It is not as easy as you think, then Bin Laden had been caught many years ago.
@MrCastodian Mobile targets are not hard to track. ever hear of changing posistion or angle of a sattelite?Kosovo was the US bombing the piss out of that asshole. the US did not have to send in ground troops.Bin laden was being hidden by the pakistanis and they knew our surveillance. About your hit and run tactics. what happens when two sides use the same strategy? The one with the most weapons and damage inflicting is usually the winner. SO what if it takes a few days or 10 yrs?
@yuppa396 Who said that the U.S. wont win? I've never mentioned it.
And time is veary important, it costs money to fight :)
"Kosovo was the U.S. bombing the piss out of That asshole"
no, you did not actually do that, NATO hit pretty bad when they bombed Serbian positions, Pentagon has a fine raport about the bombing campain, quite interesting reading, they hide the heavy equiptment.
@yuppa396 Do me a favor, dont put any words in my mouth, I have never questioned that the U.S. will win a conflict, only said that it cost life, more than it costs against Iraq and that the effect of an attack is counterproductive.
@yuppa396 And you have wet dreams about your satellites, reconnaissance plan, etc., it is not as simple as you think, you can not find everything just by flying past or rearange a satellite, its not like the movie nothing has a 100% work succes, should be glaad if it has a 70% succes.
A good comparison is Israel's pursuit of Hezbolla heavy equipment in Lebanon, they can not find their heavy equipment, and it is the same size on the surface that they must look on in Iran.
@MrCastodian duh hezbolla has buildings hollowed out and caves as well. Yeah its impossible for a satellite to look in a building,but if its in the desert dug in or out in the open dug in its not that hard to spot. Hell the iraqis did that in the desert and they practically lit up the desert. Geo syncronis orbit is used to continually spy for th ebest results. I should have mentioned the times it cant find stuff so not to confuse you.
@yuppa396 Please, I know how a satellite works, stop turning the words, is it so hard to admit that it can not see everything and you can hide from satellites?say about it.Southern Iran is a country that is very hard to find missile ramps, it is extremely mountainous landscape, covered with forest.
Tactically, Iran has ALL the benefits, in the water and on Land, there is absolutely no similarities with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, a tactical nightmare for all armies.
@MrCastodian Very true, i heard that Iran has dug massive moats in some areas which will prevent enemy tank batallions from advancing at all. I think the Iranians know whats coming so they are definitely preparing for a skirmish.
@yuppa396 meaning that they are preparing for a ground war. It does not hurt to be prepared considering the adamant attitude of the US about Iran possesing nuclear weapons.
@Bilderbergz well it dont hurt i agree,but when the defenses are for the wrong type of attack they are useless. Tell that to the french and the maginot line.
@Bilderbergz They prepare, many 100 000 troops trained, equipped for asymetriskk warfare in Iran, Iraq and Afganistan.
Search 'Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution "and you will find parts of them.
Religious soldiers, Iran's SS if you want to call them so, and there is no uneducated peasants we are talking about, but well-educated who without asking sacrifices himself in the same way that they sacrificed themselves in the war against Iraq with waves which claimed millions of lives.
@MrCastodian To be honest, the IRGC is a major weakness of Iran. The fact that they have 2 military forces under 1 joint command would lead to a lot of communication problems and if anything just divides their military. It isn't logical.
I would say that that force causes more problems than it would if it was just absorbed in the regular armed forces.
But in general, a massive majority of Iran's people, especially the youth, dislike the government of Iran. That is a fact.
@franknbeans4761 When it comes to "real" war is a disadvantage, but we both know that a "real" war in Iran is over in a few weeks, it is after these weeks that the IRGC has its time, the time fore unconventional warfare!
"a massive majority of Iran's people, Especially the youth, dislike the government of Iran. That is a fac"
No, that is wrong, a clear majority in Iran supports the government, There are no "evidence" on the opposite.
@MrCastodian Russia and China will support Iran!!! that is more than enough. do you really think that "real" war in Iran is over in a few weeks? if so you are miss inform
@MrCastodian and the problem is that i agree with you. that shit make me sick. not that i am against america but i am against the foreign policy's of us
@MrCastodian However, that being said, I would think that bombing Iran could possibly unite the people, even though they are severely weakened by their harsh government and generally poor military.
But even then, I would say Iran's military is very poor and lacks viable command and control, modern equipment, and many other factors.
It is not a matter of which side could win, it is clear the US/NATO would win, it is a matter as to how the war should be avoided or conducted.
@MrCastodian I would say that the US/NATO would never invade Iran in the next decade, but would most likely launch strikes with cruise missiles and air attacks. No ground troops means no prolonged war.
But from the Arabic teachers I have had, they all said that most people in Iran are not in support of the government (about 80%) and that the remaining 20% are largely in power and very in support of the government.
@franknbeans4761 99% of all Arabs are biased when it comes to issues related to Persian when they largely detest Persian and vice versa, Persians consider themselves noble in relation to the Arabs.
Two fundamentally different peoples.
And 100% of them Iranians living in the United States are followers of the deposed shah, so they are under my eyes are not a reliable source :)
@MrCastodian That is very true with most Arabs and their views on Persia, but one of my professors did have a very open-minded view on things. And some of the people in my class "Culture & Civilization of the Middle East" were from Iran and visit Iran frequently. And they agreed. I am just relaying information.
But most of the Iranians living in the US did not favor the Shah, everyone knows it was a dictatorship. Most just want a free Iran, which it currently isn't.
@franknbeans4761 I personally have other experiences of Iranians whom I worked and studied together with, what caused it is hard to say, my information if Iran does not match yours!
And at the risk of sticking my neck out, I trust my information more because we have a different society in Sweden than what you have in the U.S., the media in our countries is quite different and there is no propaganda here, as we all know you have in the U.S., and how open minded you are, you are affected by it.
@MrCastodian What? The US government is secular, Iran's is not. The US does not torture it's citizens at all? Where are you pulling this out of? And how the hell is the US a dictatorship?
Of course Iran isn't a terrible dictatorship, if you are Muslim and abide by the strict rules. But if you are not, then it is terrible for you. And if you break the law in minor ways, then you face the consequences. Leaving the Islamic faith in that country causes severe consequences via the law. It's bad.
@franknbeans4761 Not on the ballot was President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose controversial reelection three years ago amid allegations of widespread fraud triggered the so-called Green Revolution, later crushed. But his divisive presence was very much apparent. Thats a good example of dictatorship i think. Its a shame they are not confident enough to let people speak their minds eh? I agree frank about Iran.
@franknbeans4761 Have you heard Bush's rhetoric? "crusade against Iraq" "God is with us in the war" All in the American the establishment, is dangerusly religious, although it is a secular state of the paper.
The extreme Christian in the US is influential in the politics o media.
To say that you are secular is just as bad as saying that Iran is not.
I said that U.S. tortures, not that they torture their own, may not the same when they tortured at Guantanamo or other prisons around the world?
@MrCastodian Certainly secular here in US. Many people here including myself do not believe in "God". I have morels and believe in many things that religious people do and try to be good people. Polticians US and other are all corrupt and 2 faced liars. I do not believe religion and politics should be together. Religion is one reason countries have been at war with each other for centuries. Religions get corrupt also. Peace
@franknbeans4761 There are laws in Iran Density are sick, but to me there are just as sick laws in the United States.
These laws are found throughout the world, your allies are even worse laws (Saudi Arabia)
What gives you the right to dictate what is right o wrong in Iran or other countries who disagree with U.S.?
Did you not where such disgusting hypocrites, I had personally been in favor for a regime change in Iran and Syria, but now I hope they build their nuclear weapons.
@MrCastodian Are you fucking stupid? You hope they build nuclear weapons? And risk millions of lives??? You are fucking stupid and moronic. Wow. Totally ruined all of your credibility.
Kindly fuck yourself. Ha and thinking the laws in Iran and the same as in the US? Wow, you are unbelievably ignorant.
@franknbeans4761 stupid? oh so its okay for the apartheid state of i$rael to have 300+ nukes but iran cant have one to protect itself? go fuck yourself scumbag
@infernalpact5 Did I say that? It is incredibly dumb for more nations to be getting nuclear weapons. Especially ones that aren't consistently stable. Do I think it is good that Israel has nuclear weapons? Not really. Don't put words into my mouth.
@franknbeans4761 The only way Iran could avoid U.S. and Israel is to acquire nuclear weapons.
Israel wants to bomb Iran, Iran wants to avoid being bombed
War risk in the East is radically reduced when nuclear weapons exist, just as it did between India vs Pakistan, Russia vs USA, North Korea vs USA / South Korea.
Nuclear incite not to war, it gives peace in today's world with states playing the god in the world.
Why should not they be allowed to build nuclear weapons, they are no greater threat than others simply because they have nuclear weapons, they build it for the same purpose as any other country, to avoid being attacked, a deterrent weapon.
Did I say your laws were equally? said you have equal stupid laws in my point of wew, is not the same thing huh?
Do you want me to describe some stupid American laws to you?
@franknbeans4761 Do not say that Iran is a rose shimmering democracy, absolutely not, but it is also not the terrible dictatorship as you want it to be.
The tortured more people in the U.S. than it does in Iran, religious fanaticism is the same in the U.S. and Iran, the difference is what religion they have.
Iran is a dictatorship, but U.S. allies, according to Amnesty are worse dictatorships, so we look at it a little different.
@MrCastodian But even then, the US uses large amounts of UAV's and even the U-2 to detect opposing forces. They fly at massive heights hundreds of km away from the actual defenses and look down at them with varying equipment. And with the switchblade now being launched out of submerged submarines, this is even better. In all I would say Iran is severely disadvantaged.
@ORKSIZDABEST It doesn't look big enough to carry a team of infantry, unless they ride clown-car style.
I'd be very impressed if they built a cargo plane, gunship, or bomber in this style, but I don't think Iran's aviation industry is that advanced yet. This is the only genuinely original Iranian warplane to date (assuming another country didn't design it for them, and build the assembly line machinery --- it's happened before).
As for the "Flying Boat" concept, I would normally laud the idea (no dependence on easily disabled air bases with known locations), Iran's coastline will be so crowded with hostile naval activity in the event of a war, the Belif-2 wouldn't have any safe havens.
Couple that with the fact that Iran has few navigable waters, and you end up with a machine that ironically has less potential bases to operate from than a land-based aircraft!
@BlacktailDefense Negatory Irans narrow water ways are perfect for mines and land to sea cruise missiles. Observe the hit on Israel's ship during the 2006 war as an example of what one such missile can do, they have thousands. Iran will employ missile boats, minelayers, land to sea missiles and attack submarines in combination with this light cheap stealthy hydrofoil for reconnaissance.
They may have gotten the shape right, but Iran has screwed-up big in so many other high-tech programs, I seriously doubt they figured out the signature management or RAM coating necessary for effective stealth.
Even if they did, Desert Storm and Allied Force found *American* stealth tech wanting. Three British Destroyers in the Gulf detected and tracked F-117s with a radar bandwidth that this plane was specified to defeat.
I'm not losing any sleep over the "stealth" of THESE things.
@BlacktailDefense This aircraft is capable of flying very low close to the water waves and avoid detection in this fashion. This is not high tech per se rather a functional design. It relys upon small size and heat output more so than gizmotrons to achieve functional stealth. The F-117 was terrible because it lacked the maneuverability to evade missiles when engaged and russia had radars for stealth before any western stealth aircraft flew. WW1 planes have fantastic stealth.
@Choros22 Surface radar can see it just fine. Surface radar can see horizon to horizon how do you think they track ships on the ocean without airborn radar? Surface radar picks it up.fighters are scrambled. fighters get there before they come into range and rip them a new one followed up by strike group going on full alert launching pre emptive strikes against pre selected targets and of course the ruling parties headquarters.(ok the last part is wishful thinking lol)
@yuppa396 Do not forget that the distances in the Persian Gulf, particularly in the Hormuz Strait is about 50 km from coast to coast, high-speed ships, various aircraft and missiles will arrive fast, the response time makes it all more difficult, the time from when the radar detected the threat to you can shoot it down is not large.
Count how many seconds they have o respond when threats are detected :)
@MrCastodian well its not necessarily true they will be in the gulf. Well All of them wont be in the gulf. Its entirely possible to strike from outside the straight effectively. No commander wants to be repsonsible for losing a billion dollar plus war machine. The bavar-2 is not made for anything but calm seas though. they can fly two times their wing span in height. Oh and where is your proof of the seaRAM not as advertised?
@MrCastodian Oh i suppose you were there to se if the exercises were against high speed missiles too right? If you have no hard data such as i presented a few times youre not being honest. As for the escorting tankers its not something they normally do and wont unless one is fired on. Those missiles only do about mach 2.5 slow enough for the searam to nail. rember all the ships around that carrier are integrated into a unified battlenet and missile defense funtions as one.
@MrCastodian Oh i suppose you were there to se if the exercises were against high speed missiles too right? If you have no hard data such as i presented a few times youre not being honest. As for the escorting tankers its not something they normally do and wont unless one is fired on. Those missiles only do about mach 2.5 slow enough for the searam to nail. rember all the ships around that carrier are integrated into a unified battlenet and missile defense funtions as one.
@MrCastodian Searam nails missiles like that one for breakfast. The carrier and all 8 plus ships supporting it function as one during point defense against missiles. seaRAM is designed to nail those mach 2.4 missiles. I hardly call Live fire of high speed missiles against the system theoretical. They were unmanned but still managed to destroy almost all of them.from your 24 out of 25 its even higher rate of 99 percent We will not escort oil tankers unless shot at.
@Weibkoln I do not think the iranians have that many boats as to exaust the entire battlefleets weapons in one day. We practice underway replinishment so as to not run out of ammo like that.Ammo can even be flown in on the cargo craft if need be.
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Honestly Iran sucks ass at coordinating real wars, against Iraq they sent children up against mechanized infantry. They are slightly better than Saddam's forces but still lack the real experience and the undeniable killer tactics of US forces. Saddam had tons of shit he had Mirage fighters equipped with Exocet missiles that were supposed to waste US forces. He never even got a chance to get close before his air force and radar network were destroyed never to fly again. Easy pickins after that.
Don't laugh. Those things will rip our CVBGs to shreds if the Iranians are even halfway smart about using them. Face people, a Supercarrier is nothing but a huge floating coffin for 6,000 Americans. USN needs lots of small carriers and seaplane fighters on regular warships. Armor would be prudent, as well. Too bad it'll never happen.
@MrFishzilla Lol most carrier fleets have several ships equipped with Phalanx anti missile close range defensive weapons not to mention most carriers keep a constant patrol of support aircraft hundreds of miles out to prevent little turds like this from coming anywhere near a modern carrier.
@SickKnowledge82 Time will tell. I hope you're right, but I I'm not too sure. Our Navy ships are understaffed which = overworked, tired crews, trying to do too much with too few people = substandard maintenance and mistakes. Plus, these things are supposed to be stealthy, right? Suppose they arm them with Mach3 plus BVR missiles with Nuclear or dirty warheads - easily obtainable from PRC/Russia - and attack en mass at 3 in the morning? No way Aegis/Phalanx would stop them ALL.
@MrFishzilla And they would HAVE to stop them all, because even a single "leaker" would spell death for the carrier group. Sorry, but probability plays no favorites, and there is no way in the world the Aegis/Phalanx combo could stop, let's say, 200+ Mach3 missiles in just a few seconds. They are simply not THAT good.
It looks like something made in world war 2.
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Yes correct, the most royal man alive descended from king David is Brian Leonard Golightly Marshall. He has stated he is Jesus and is proven in his genetics and the Great Pyramid in Egypt. He has chosen Iran as the Chosen race backed by Putin to overcome the beast being England, the USA, NATO and Australia. He was reborn on January 11th 1944, has judged the world. He has been showing the world how to defeat militarily the USA and cures AIDS cancer deibetes malaria. Judgement execution 3 3 2012
brianisyahweh3 8 hours ago
Oh gee; now I'm scared. I don't think the Iranians know what they are fighting.
earthcomp 18 hours ago
This is from Waterworld!
but these scenes were deleted, unfortunatly
marktimmer2212 18 hours ago
A push-prop? They were obsolete back in 1917. If Iran thinks this will stop an US invasion they've been smoking a little too much opium.
DonCarne 21 hours ago
ahahahaaaahahahaa.... hhaahhahah. Sorry, couldn't help it...would love to shoot some of these down though,,,
phantom090 1 day ago
"Iranian News sources have reported that the Ayatollah Rickollah Santorumeini has won a landslide victory in his district. Religious conservatives were particularly enthralled with his anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-contraceptive, anti-secularism message." Wow such a progressive nation.
yuppa396 2 days ago
@yuppa396
wow, i think you shot yourself in the foot now ... how does your Republican presidential canidates sounds?
Religious conservatives were Particularly enthralled with his anti-abortion, anti-gay, anti-Contraceptive, anti-secularism message, sounds like a speech by Rick Santorum, or maybe Rick Perry?
MrCastodian 1 day ago
@MrCastodian i beleive in choice. we have free will so why should I tell a woman what to do with her body? Yeah that is funny . LOL thanks for pointing that out. Ill ask that at the next convention!
yuppa396 1 day ago
@yuppa396 I also beleive in choice, I grew up in Sweden with all that means, educated in democracy, justice and equality.
But I also believe in people's own o free will, the right of countries to determine their own laws and decide on their own development, if ther mindes must be changed it must be through diplomacy rather than force and violence
MrCastodian 7 hours ago
@yuppa396 Like America is so perfect.
888Julias 1 day ago
@888Julias If it annoys you so much you could "an hero" for us. Seriously though all countries think they are better than other countries. Its perfect for me here. I would not move anywhere else in the world.
yuppa396 17 hours ago
@yuppa396 It annoys me that people specially from the US always point a finger to a nation what they do wrong and what can be better,Look at yourself first before you judge a other,also Iraq is worse off then it was before,And did the west win anything,well not the only lose money,fathers and sons and pay a high price for oil.
888Julias 6 hours ago
lame...not real
jandean61 2 days ago
I beleieve f35 pilots would actually rub their hands together when faced with these.
guns guns guns.....
TheDarwiniser 3 days ago
@TheDarwiniser they would be awww yeah! time for live fire target practice! Hey i wonder how good those things stand up to a f-35 going past them 100 ft or less off the ocean in close proximity?I bet it would throw off their ground effect.
yuppa396 3 days ago
now, wtf was that?? a disneyland ride???
Narvik40 3 days ago
Radar evading? LOL.
they have no armerment, no flare / chaff system, no ejection seat and no sort of fire control system..
not to mention that giant motor on top would be picked up on rdar.
Mattc23q 3 days ago
@Mattc23q Flying 5 meters from the water? Only by airborne radar. This design is caller Erkranoplane, and it was developed by the russian in the 60s and 70s as gunship and submarine hunter platforms.
Sagramorbald 3 days ago
@Sagramorbald this is not a ekranoplan, a ekranoplan is designed to carry troops and or weapons -
this is a unnarmed 1 seater aircraft.
Mattc23q 2 days ago
Yea gay of course its Iranian
gatorbait1810 3 days ago
An slightly larger version that could be equipped with medium range missiles could actually have an effect.
( Assuming that enough many planes launch their missiles simultaneously against the same ship overburdening its missile defence. )
Though the basic idea is good.
Suojeluninja 3 days ago
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yuppa396 4 days ago
@yuppa396 You know nothing about Iran, I hear.
Iranian or Persian is a very proud and patriotic people, a religious miniority the U.S. and its allys since the 50's helped to suppress both in Iran and other Gulf States, Bombing will end up together the people in the same way as was done during the war against Iraq which claimed millions of lives.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian Its pointless to argue with you. I am stating that their most likely will not be a invasion. We would have to air drop them ALL in and that aint happening.Syria is a blockage and is not going to just let us through So all we will do is airstrikes and a few spec ops.I know Iran is a repressive regime from some of the people who used to live there,and thats enough for me.Iraq didnt cost millions of lives be truthful.End of discussion since you are Iranian troll.
yuppa396 3 days ago
@yuppa396
Yes, understand that it is hard to be wrong..
MrCastodian 3 days ago
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yuppa396 4 days ago
nantapan family ชุมชนคนนันทพันธ์
mawsao 5 days ago
COBRAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
branzilla 5 days ago
airhogs sold out to iran
PyR0Star 5 days ago
their like... 20 years behind?
TheStifler1992 5 days ago
"Radar Evading" is misleading... As Radar travels at the speed of light... I don't think these boats go as fast as the speed of light..............
Anyways.... CIWS will be able to lock on them and cook em, no problem... I've seen the system shootdown seagulls like it was a fighter jet....
memadmax69 6 days ago
Direct copy of a Soviet system from the 60s, the Eska ekranoplan
They should copy something newer, like the R-1001 advanced light ekranoplan
adrastea99 6 days ago
shooting practice for a type 45
LfcGoddardENGCJG 6 days ago
These are not iranian there Russian..and WAY outdated.
NeilsCave 6 days ago
Thats actually pretty cool?
lorf151 6 days ago
What radar do they think these things are going to evade? Something from a WWII museum? Seriously? Only some phoney russian "news" organization that exists solely to trash the West would suggest Iran's 1935 aircraft technology could evade any radar.
kaysandesses 6 days ago
how backward..wtf are these pmsl
MrMilfhunter2003 6 days ago
in WW3 who will defend usa??? zionist? hahahha
rzain1 1 week ago
A flying boat, with no weapons and only the pilot. lulwut.
DrDerpwerth 1 week ago
i could use those 'flying boats' life would be sweet....
666becon 1 week ago
Atack Iran and ww3 is started....Iran&Russia&china Will kick America under the ground!
firestones18 1 week ago
@firestones18 unless you have documents proving that from the russia and china its empty threats.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@firestones18 whats the difference between Iran and Iraq?
TheDarkMalkav 1 week ago
made in china.
MrNeilcatorce 1 week ago
LOL, what pieces of crap!
seka1986 1 week ago 2
Are these even practical or useful in today's style of warfare? lol. They would all get destroyed instantly.
iAREanthonyyy 1 week ago
These planes would have been good in world war 2, not now lol. Comon people there is no reason for war. It's all zionist propaganda. These wars are all for Israel, lets not be stupid goyem and die for these greedy kikes.
MrDavidDux 1 week ago
Boy they are retarded to think that piece of shee-it could evade anything. It is not stealthy and cannot fly below the Radar of U.S. naval warships..they purposefully have radar that looks for sea-skimming missiles, etc. I guess they could screw with tankers and other unarmed vessels until they are shot from the sky.....what a joke.
SinisterToad 1 week ago
It's not really a boat, not really a plane!
It is a ground effect vehicle, like the Russian Ikranoplan.
Very sexy!
cyberteque 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense well you can't say these have the same power as the AH-1 attack helicopter, the AH-1 is a powerful machine, the latest has 2 powerful 1800hp turbine engines, these things just have a lame, open to the air piston engine, max 500 Hp.
mikelh 1 week ago
Those are just ground effect aircrafts. Nothing new.
danshyu 1 week ago
The question for 200 points is: What the Phalanx eats for lunch.
Mr00destruct0 1 week ago
One 5 inch shot in front of these craft would take out whole wing of craft just by creating a splash. Thats why russian sesigners gave up.
1950Viper 1 week ago
One last thought on the Belif-2 --- given it's size and wing area, it doesn't look like it could carry much more ordnance than an AH-1 Cobra, and there are no obvious weapon stations. Is this supposed to be a suicide plane with a bomb in the nose?
I won't be convinced of otherwise until I see a video of an airborne Belif-2 delivering live ordnance.
BlacktailDefense 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense unless the ordnance is salt water resistant and does not throw off the weight it could carry smal rockets. Nothing bigger than a RPG,but a ships armor is tougher than a tanks So youd have to have alot of them in the same locations to really damage a ship like the ones we have seriously. Those craft look cool but not very usable in a military sense.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense Would not be surprised if it's suicidal flight, if you can cordinate it right it can do damage to American ships since the response time can cause problems for the U.S., is very short distances in some places and you do not need large bomb load to damage a ships seriously.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian dont worry. the reason the russians gave up with these is because in choppy water they are not effective,and had a habit of crashing. Now if the navy decides to be smart they will pull back to the indian ocean and use air power to soften up Iran. all those lovelyMoskit/sunburn missiles. Its better to be safe than try to let seaRAm take all of those out even with a 95 percent hit ratio.Anyway making a long story short another useless weapon from Iran.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@yuppa396Do not think it is a threat, but you can not count them out when you do not know anything concrete.
And do not think the fleet remain in the Indian Ocean, there would be war, it will be stationed in the Persian Gulf, where it is under threat from Iranian missiles.
And 95% hit ratio is not the whole truth, dont forget to count all the equations in that reduces the hit ratio for sea ram and other defence systems.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian My guess is that the US would use in general the fleet used in Operation Bold Alligator mixed with Operation Prime Chance while using large amounts of land based aircraft from the UAE and maybe additional carriers.
Even a Russian official said a single carrier group can defeat the entire navy of Iran. Makes you think...
franknbeans4761 1 week ago
@franknbeans4761 What the Russian general said is pure politics, has no basis whatsoever.
The fact that Iran can not win a war that is nothing to talk about, the question is what it will costs in the life fore the attacking nation and what good it does if you do not invade at the same time.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Look up, Operation Prime Chance, and look up the USS Ponce. The US is already having AH-64D's being qualified for deck operations at sea and in Bold Alligator 2012, has simulated strait transits with fighter support, ASW support (even from a P-8), had attack helo's on station, had Humvee's on decks of assault ships for additional protection, MQ-8's, fast attack boats, and so on; in the operation.
franknbeans4761 1 week ago
@franknbeans4761 You are good with technical details, What is the response time in the sound of Hormoz when an anti-ship missile is fired from about 30km distance, an C-802 in 1000km/h or even an SS-22-N in 3000 km/h?
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian At 30km, going 1000km/h would take 1 minute, 48 seconds. At 30km going 3000km/hr would take 36 seconds.
When considering the US uses he MA-31 and GQM-163 Coyote which go just as fast, if not faster, then I wouldn't see the US having a problem with them.
Especially when considering they all have to be near the coast and given Iran's poor SAM's. would be very vulnerable to air strikes and cruise missile attacks.
And with the ESSM and RAM, it would be tough to break into for Iran.
franknbeans4761 1 week ago
@franknbeans4761 36 seconds ... in those time they shall discover, identify, lock, fire o hit a missile, and it is difficult, even if you have the best equipment, if it will be 2 or 3 missiles then increases the difficulty dramatically to stop the missiles.
There is a reason why ships do not want to be in narrow channels, it gives up all their benefits, all tactical advantage is on the Iranian side in such a Scenario.
Even with flying cover the problem is the same.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@franknbeans4761 And of cource you can fight them on land before they fired, but we talk about 500km of coastline around such Hormuz strait, where they can hide ramps on a quite large area, you dont need to fire in proximity to the costline, they are not easy to find, on the verge of impossible, it is difficult to know their tactics, hard to know what they have, there are many rumors, propaganda o similar, but it is true that they have the SS-N-22 or similar systems, it's a really big threat.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Of course they will be a large threat and it is a difficult situation, but even with the stretch of coast line, many of those sites will still be bombed and destroyed with aircraft and cruise missiles. I could see it being a problem obviously but I am very skeptical as to whether or not it will inflict heavy casualties.
franknbeans4761 1 week ago
@franknbeans4761 We know that if a missile hits they take pretty good damage, if we consider the worst case scenario and 1 x SS-N-22 hits a destroyer it will probably sink, the same aplay to frigates and minelayer, it likely those targets then I guess they will avoid Cruisers and Aircraft carrier in the Strait.
Then the question is just how many people die in such an attack, and how much the U.S. is willing to sacrifice, ultimately it is about calculations o policy.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian True, I just highly doubt the US would send it's large fleets so close in to Iran. If I had to guess, they would stay in the Arabian sea. Just as in Operation Prime Chance and many other operations like that, the US never sent a large fleet in to confront Iran in such a small area. They used fighters, fast attack boats (like the Avenger class), and attack helicopters. And since they are using the USS Ponce for this specific purpose, you could bet that it will happen.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@franknbeans4761 The problem arises when they must clear the strait of mines, escorting tankers o secure the fairway, then you must send in Minesweeper, frigates and destroyers close to the cost.
It all depends on the tactics, Iran know their limitations so do not think they will station lots of weapons systems protected by anti-aircraft, they will use a hit and run tactik and wearing out the attacker becuse they know that the U.S. will not land troops, and they has the time on ther side.
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MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian Clearing the strait of mines can be done after large cruise missile strikes are made and after the Iranian navy and Iranian Air Force have been decimated.
They used hit and run tactics in Operation Prime Chance and other operations similar to that and the US fully countered that. And any "hit and run" strikes would be countered by several massive retaliatory air strikes.
That is, if Iran strikes first, this would be fully just.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Iran will never strike first, they never said they should, never threatened to do it, they have only said that they attack targets if they themselves are attacked, they will try to close the strait and disrupt the oil flow if the U.S. attacks.
And as I said, do not think the U.S. is so stupid that they're doing something, costs too much in the current situation, perhaps 5-10 years earliest.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian They sure have been making enough bold statements, openly condemning the US on every level, and threatening to close the straits for a variety of reasons.
Threatening to close an international water way is reason enough to make sure they never do it.
Hell, if I had a dollar for every time Iran made a threat, I could buy the straits.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@franknbeans4761 They have made the same statements as the U.S. and Israel has been doing since 79, no difference. The dollar you can get for all the Iranian threat would make me as rich from Israel/US Threts.
They never said they should close the strait for fun, they should only do so if the U.S. attacks, it is wrong? or has the US the right to bomb Iran's infrastructure and Iran has no right to reply?
No one in this context is better than the other, all three parties threaten as much.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian Well in those terms, Israel has been threatened far more times. Especially by Iran. And Iran has provided direct funding against groups attacking Israel.
The whole situation is very complicated and neither side wants to fire first and start it all.
I would say that Iran is unstable with it's current leader and current government though and that it will lead to some forms of violence. Potentially that is.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Quite irrelevant who started threatening, there are 3 children who are fighting,US, Israel and Iran, all are equally guilty, everyone has done bad things against each other
Everything from the U.S. support for Shaen, Iran's threats against Israel, Israel's attacks in Gaza and the threat of attack on Iran, etc., and all support groups that are against the others
But this kids are so grown up that they know the consequences so do not think there will be blood, just saber rattling.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian True.
franknbeans4761 5 days ago
@MrCastodian What is actually happening is as usual, the usa want more oil so they, along with israel, great britain and europe build their propaganda on so and so (whichever country they want to invade), then steal their citizens' money, cram their heads with paranoia then use a trigger event to go bomb the shit out of that country then tell the world how much safer everyone is. Meanwhile the NWO progresses another large step. The war never ended, blood is spilt daily for this shit
papapetad 5 days ago
@MrCastodian You noticed how many videos on a "US or Israel vs Iran or Russia" have popped up lately? It's part of the propaganda, getting people psychologically ready for such a war. Just like Hollywood got people ready for all sorts of shit with movies such as star wars, minority report etc etc... They progressively tell you where things are going in advance so it doesn't shock you when it happens and you find it perfectly normal. Thus the cookie crumbles and freedoms vanish
papapetad 5 days ago
@franknbeans4761 The situation is not complicated at all. America, great britain, europe and israel want more oil and to establish the NWO, so they tell you so and so is bad and run by dictators, then they make you agree because they cram it into your hollow fucking skulls day after day, then they steal your money and go invade so and so. But first they use a good excuse, like when they destroyed the towers in 9/11 so they can point the finger to "terrorism"
papapetad 5 days ago
@papapetad Really? The US gets no oil from Iran whatsoever. They get about 50% from Venezuela, 10% from Mexico, and 40% is obtained domestically.
The situation is complicated because not only is Iran making massive threats throughout the area, but is wanting to close the straits, an international trading area.
They have also been supporting terrorist groups that target Israel, a state that established itself through war just like many others, by a people who have been through more than most.
franknbeans4761 5 days ago
@franknbeans4761 And in general, no, it wouldn't make sense at all for the US to get oil from Iran. It wouldn't make sense economically to do this.
franknbeans4761 5 days ago
@franknbeans4761 If the US only find the firing ramps then they destroy it without any problems, air defense is no serious threat, it can only do minimal damage in the strait.
But it is a difficult stretch of coastline to find the firing ramps, a lot of mountainous terrain with forests where it relatively easy to hide ramps.
Eaven the poor missiles becomes a troublesome threat, all missiles can do relatively great harm.
The terrain favors only Iran, it is their great advantage.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
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yuppa396 6 days ago
@yuppa396 I don't think the US would invade Iran in this decade at all, but I would say a large strike could be possible in order to deter or prevent Iran from making large, aggressive claims. But as for a ground invasion, there is no way that will happen.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@franknbeans4761 I dont even think they will strike.
The problem with air strikes is that if U.S. bombs it kills all domestic regime resistance and give Iran a real reason to build nuclear weapons, to be honest there is no evidence that they're doing it now.
The risk is that it does more harm than good to bomb when you can create major problems in the region, it can interfere with reconstruction of Iraq, it can create major problems in Afghanistan and Hezbolla can cause troubles in Lebanon.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@yuppa396 "Remember Kosovo?" What shold i remember?
I am very well aware of what a satellite is able to do, but just as many satellites with technical inovasioner there are there are as many ways to avoid them, with technology and with old fashioned methods.
It is not as easy as you think, then Bin Laden had been caught many years ago.
"cataloging the positions of targets"
Mobile costal defence?
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian Mobile targets are not hard to track. ever hear of changing posistion or angle of a sattelite?Kosovo was the US bombing the piss out of that asshole. the US did not have to send in ground troops.Bin laden was being hidden by the pakistanis and they knew our surveillance. About your hit and run tactics. what happens when two sides use the same strategy? The one with the most weapons and damage inflicting is usually the winner. SO what if it takes a few days or 10 yrs?
yuppa396 6 days ago
@yuppa396 Who said that the U.S. wont win? I've never mentioned it.
And time is veary important, it costs money to fight :)
"Kosovo was the U.S. bombing the piss out of That asshole"
no, you did not actually do that, NATO hit pretty bad when they bombed Serbian positions, Pentagon has a fine raport about the bombing campain, quite interesting reading, they hide the heavy equiptment.
"Mobile targets are not hard to track"
They actually are that :)
MrCastodian 6 days ago
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yuppa396 6 days ago
@yuppa396 Do me a favor, dont put any words in my mouth, I have never questioned that the U.S. will win a conflict, only said that it cost life, more than it costs against Iraq and that the effect of an attack is counterproductive.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@yuppa396 And you have wet dreams about your satellites, reconnaissance plan, etc., it is not as simple as you think, you can not find everything just by flying past or rearange a satellite, its not like the movie nothing has a 100% work succes, should be glaad if it has a 70% succes.
A good comparison is Israel's pursuit of Hezbolla heavy equipment in Lebanon, they can not find their heavy equipment, and it is the same size on the surface that they must look on in Iran.
MrCastodian 6 days ago
@MrCastodian duh hezbolla has buildings hollowed out and caves as well. Yeah its impossible for a satellite to look in a building,but if its in the desert dug in or out in the open dug in its not that hard to spot. Hell the iraqis did that in the desert and they practically lit up the desert. Geo syncronis orbit is used to continually spy for th ebest results. I should have mentioned the times it cant find stuff so not to confuse you.
yuppa396 5 days ago
@yuppa396 Iraq? Desert?
How do you think it looks like in Southern Iran?
MrCastodian 5 days ago
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yuppa396 5 days ago
@yuppa396 Please, I know how a satellite works, stop turning the words, is it so hard to admit that it can not see everything and you can hide from satellites?say about it.Southern Iran is a country that is very hard to find missile ramps, it is extremely mountainous landscape, covered with forest.
Tactically, Iran has ALL the benefits, in the water and on Land, there is absolutely no similarities with Iran and other countries in the Middle East, a tactical nightmare for all armies.
MrCastodian 5 days ago
@MrCastodian Very true, i heard that Iran has dug massive moats in some areas which will prevent enemy tank batallions from advancing at all. I think the Iranians know whats coming so they are definitely preparing for a skirmish.
Bilderbergz 4 days ago
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yuppa396 4 days ago
@yuppa396 meaning that they are preparing for a ground war. It does not hurt to be prepared considering the adamant attitude of the US about Iran possesing nuclear weapons.
Bilderbergz 4 days ago
@Bilderbergz well it dont hurt i agree,but when the defenses are for the wrong type of attack they are useless. Tell that to the french and the maginot line.
yuppa396 4 days ago
@yuppa396 Difference is that the french where divided at the time during ww2, the Iranians are not.
Bilderbergz 4 days ago
@Bilderbergz They prepare, many 100 000 troops trained, equipped for asymetriskk warfare in Iran, Iraq and Afganistan.
Search 'Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution "and you will find parts of them.
Religious soldiers, Iran's SS if you want to call them so, and there is no uneducated peasants we are talking about, but well-educated who without asking sacrifices himself in the same way that they sacrificed themselves in the war against Iraq with waves which claimed millions of lives.
MrCastodian 4 days ago
@MrCastodian To be honest, the IRGC is a major weakness of Iran. The fact that they have 2 military forces under 1 joint command would lead to a lot of communication problems and if anything just divides their military. It isn't logical.
I would say that that force causes more problems than it would if it was just absorbed in the regular armed forces.
But in general, a massive majority of Iran's people, especially the youth, dislike the government of Iran. That is a fact.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
@franknbeans4761 When it comes to "real" war is a disadvantage, but we both know that a "real" war in Iran is over in a few weeks, it is after these weeks that the IRGC has its time, the time fore unconventional warfare!
"a massive majority of Iran's people, Especially the youth, dislike the government of Iran. That is a fac"
No, that is wrong, a clear majority in Iran supports the government, There are no "evidence" on the opposite.
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian Russia and China will support Iran!!! that is more than enough. do you really think that "real" war in Iran is over in a few weeks? if so you are miss inform
AmdiaR 2 days ago
@AmdiaR So unfortunately they will not do it, not with weapons.
They will stand behind them politically and in all international communities, but no more.
Perhaps they will support them with proper weapons support afew years forward in time, but not in the current situation.
MrCastodian 2 days ago
@MrCastodian and the problem is that i agree with you. that shit make me sick. not that i am against america but i am against the foreign policy's of us
AmdiaR 2 days ago
@MrCastodian However, that being said, I would think that bombing Iran could possibly unite the people, even though they are severely weakened by their harsh government and generally poor military.
But even then, I would say Iran's military is very poor and lacks viable command and control, modern equipment, and many other factors.
It is not a matter of which side could win, it is clear the US/NATO would win, it is a matter as to how the war should be avoided or conducted.
franknbeans4761 3 days ago
@franknbeans4761 of corse the US/NATO would win, but they will have a new war that make Iraq o Afganistan look like a picnic
MrCastodian 3 days ago
@MrCastodian I would say that the US/NATO would never invade Iran in the next decade, but would most likely launch strikes with cruise missiles and air attacks. No ground troops means no prolonged war.
But from the Arabic teachers I have had, they all said that most people in Iran are not in support of the government (about 80%) and that the remaining 20% are largely in power and very in support of the government.
Not that a land invasion is good or anything.
franknbeans4761 2 days ago
@franknbeans4761 99% of all Arabs are biased when it comes to issues related to Persian when they largely detest Persian and vice versa, Persians consider themselves noble in relation to the Arabs.
Two fundamentally different peoples.
And 100% of them Iranians living in the United States are followers of the deposed shah, so they are under my eyes are not a reliable source :)
MrCastodian 2 days ago
@MrCastodian That is very true with most Arabs and their views on Persia, but one of my professors did have a very open-minded view on things. And some of the people in my class "Culture & Civilization of the Middle East" were from Iran and visit Iran frequently. And they agreed. I am just relaying information.
But most of the Iranians living in the US did not favor the Shah, everyone knows it was a dictatorship. Most just want a free Iran, which it currently isn't.
franknbeans4761 2 days ago
@franknbeans4761 I personally have other experiences of Iranians whom I worked and studied together with, what caused it is hard to say, my information if Iran does not match yours!
And at the risk of sticking my neck out, I trust my information more because we have a different society in Sweden than what you have in the U.S., the media in our countries is quite different and there is no propaganda here, as we all know you have in the U.S., and how open minded you are, you are affected by it.
MrCastodian 2 days ago
@MrCastodian What? The US government is secular, Iran's is not. The US does not torture it's citizens at all? Where are you pulling this out of? And how the hell is the US a dictatorship?
Of course Iran isn't a terrible dictatorship, if you are Muslim and abide by the strict rules. But if you are not, then it is terrible for you. And if you break the law in minor ways, then you face the consequences. Leaving the Islamic faith in that country causes severe consequences via the law. It's bad.
franknbeans4761 2 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Not on the ballot was President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, whose controversial reelection three years ago amid allegations of widespread fraud triggered the so-called Green Revolution, later crushed. But his divisive presence was very much apparent. Thats a good example of dictatorship i think. Its a shame they are not confident enough to let people speak their minds eh? I agree frank about Iran.
yuppa396 2 days ago
@franknbeans4761 Have you heard Bush's rhetoric? "crusade against Iraq" "God is with us in the war" All in the American the establishment, is dangerusly religious, although it is a secular state of the paper.
The extreme Christian in the US is influential in the politics o media.
To say that you are secular is just as bad as saying that Iran is not.
I said that U.S. tortures, not that they torture their own, may not the same when they tortured at Guantanamo or other prisons around the world?
MrCastodian 1 day ago
@MrCastodian Certainly secular here in US. Many people here including myself do not believe in "God". I have morels and believe in many things that religious people do and try to be good people. Polticians US and other are all corrupt and 2 faced liars. I do not believe religion and politics should be together. Religion is one reason countries have been at war with each other for centuries. Religions get corrupt also. Peace
ulionbastards 1 day ago
@ulionbastards The state is secular, yes, but do not say that it is acting sekulert.
The American foraign rhetoric is about god, the new evangelistic church have immense political power, listen to the Republican canidate.
MrCastodian 7 hours ago
@franknbeans4761 Wrote that U.S. allies are the worst dictatorships, not the United States.
You are not persecuted as religious miniority in Iran, they have their churches, rights and seats in Parliament.
MrCastodian 1 day ago
@franknbeans4761 There are laws in Iran Density are sick, but to me there are just as sick laws in the United States.
These laws are found throughout the world, your allies are even worse laws (Saudi Arabia)
What gives you the right to dictate what is right o wrong in Iran or other countries who disagree with U.S.?
Did you not where such disgusting hypocrites, I had personally been in favor for a regime change in Iran and Syria, but now I hope they build their nuclear weapons.
MrCastodian 1 day ago
@MrCastodian Are you fucking stupid? You hope they build nuclear weapons? And risk millions of lives??? You are fucking stupid and moronic. Wow. Totally ruined all of your credibility.
Kindly fuck yourself. Ha and thinking the laws in Iran and the same as in the US? Wow, you are unbelievably ignorant.
franknbeans4761 1 day ago 2
@franknbeans4761 why should only us israel china russia...etc have nukes and the rest of the world noooo ?????
boody19 1 day ago
@boody19 I don't think anyone should have nuclear weapons. The fewer there are, the better.
franknbeans4761 20 hours ago
@franknbeans4761 stupid? oh so its okay for the apartheid state of i$rael to have 300+ nukes but iran cant have one to protect itself? go fuck yourself scumbag
infernalpact5 20 hours ago
@infernalpact5 Did I say that? It is incredibly dumb for more nations to be getting nuclear weapons. Especially ones that aren't consistently stable. Do I think it is good that Israel has nuclear weapons? Not really. Don't put words into my mouth.
franknbeans4761 20 hours ago
@franknbeans4761 The only way Iran could avoid U.S. and Israel is to acquire nuclear weapons.
Israel wants to bomb Iran, Iran wants to avoid being bombed
War risk in the East is radically reduced when nuclear weapons exist, just as it did between India vs Pakistan, Russia vs USA, North Korea vs USA / South Korea.
Nuclear incite not to war, it gives peace in today's world with states playing the god in the world.
MrCastodian 7 hours ago
@franknbeans4761 iran does w/e it takes to survive, launching a nuclear weapon doesnt really go along with their 30+ years mentality...
draconite420 17 hours ago
@draconite420 Then why should they have a nuclear weapon?
franknbeans4761 17 hours ago
@franknbeans4761 Mature....
Why should not they be allowed to build nuclear weapons, they are no greater threat than others simply because they have nuclear weapons, they build it for the same purpose as any other country, to avoid being attacked, a deterrent weapon.
Did I say your laws were equally? said you have equal stupid laws in my point of wew, is not the same thing huh?
Do you want me to describe some stupid American laws to you?
MrCastodian 7 hours ago
@MrCastodian "Do you want me to describe some stupid American laws to you?"
The US is fully secular. Your moronic talk about it not being that, is, moronic.
And giving a bomb to a country that has been at war many times in the past 30 years and is not stable whatsoever is very moronic.
The fewer nuclear bombs the better. Hoping more countries get them is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard.
franknbeans4761 14 minutes ago
@franknbeans4761 Do not say that Iran is a rose shimmering democracy, absolutely not, but it is also not the terrible dictatorship as you want it to be.
The tortured more people in the U.S. than it does in Iran, religious fanaticism is the same in the U.S. and Iran, the difference is what religion they have.
Iran is a dictatorship, but U.S. allies, according to Amnesty are worse dictatorships, so we look at it a little different.
MrCastodian 2 days ago
@MrCastodian But even then, the US uses large amounts of UAV's and even the U-2 to detect opposing forces. They fly at massive heights hundreds of km away from the actual defenses and look down at them with varying equipment. And with the switchblade now being launched out of submerged submarines, this is even better. In all I would say Iran is severely disadvantaged.
franknbeans4761 6 days ago
@BlacktailDefense it's an infiltrator, I believe, pretty convenient to bring a team on board of a western tanker.
ORKSIZDABEST 1 week ago
@ORKSIZDABEST It doesn't look big enough to carry a team of infantry, unless they ride clown-car style.
I'd be very impressed if they built a cargo plane, gunship, or bomber in this style, but I don't think Iran's aviation industry is that advanced yet. This is the only genuinely original Iranian warplane to date (assuming another country didn't design it for them, and build the assembly line machinery --- it's happened before).
BlacktailDefense 1 week ago
As for the "Flying Boat" concept, I would normally laud the idea (no dependence on easily disabled air bases with known locations), Iran's coastline will be so crowded with hostile naval activity in the event of a war, the Belif-2 wouldn't have any safe havens.
Couple that with the fact that Iran has few navigable waters, and you end up with a machine that ironically has less potential bases to operate from than a land-based aircraft!
BlacktailDefense 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense Negatory Irans narrow water ways are perfect for mines and land to sea cruise missiles. Observe the hit on Israel's ship during the 2006 war as an example of what one such missile can do, they have thousands. Iran will employ missile boats, minelayers, land to sea missiles and attack submarines in combination with this light cheap stealthy hydrofoil for reconnaissance.
Choros22 1 week ago
They may have gotten the shape right, but Iran has screwed-up big in so many other high-tech programs, I seriously doubt they figured out the signature management or RAM coating necessary for effective stealth.
Even if they did, Desert Storm and Allied Force found *American* stealth tech wanting. Three British Destroyers in the Gulf detected and tracked F-117s with a radar bandwidth that this plane was specified to defeat.
I'm not losing any sleep over the "stealth" of THESE things.
BlacktailDefense 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense This aircraft is capable of flying very low close to the water waves and avoid detection in this fashion. This is not high tech per se rather a functional design. It relys upon small size and heat output more so than gizmotrons to achieve functional stealth. The F-117 was terrible because it lacked the maneuverability to evade missiles when engaged and russia had radars for stealth before any western stealth aircraft flew. WW1 planes have fantastic stealth.
Choros22 1 week ago
@Choros22 Surface radar can see it just fine. Surface radar can see horizon to horizon how do you think they track ships on the ocean without airborn radar? Surface radar picks it up.fighters are scrambled. fighters get there before they come into range and rip them a new one followed up by strike group going on full alert launching pre emptive strikes against pre selected targets and of course the ruling parties headquarters.(ok the last part is wishful thinking lol)
yuppa396 1 week ago
@yuppa396 Do not forget that the distances in the Persian Gulf, particularly in the Hormuz Strait is about 50 km from coast to coast, high-speed ships, various aircraft and missiles will arrive fast, the response time makes it all more difficult, the time from when the radar detected the threat to you can shoot it down is not large.
Count how many seconds they have o respond when threats are detected :)
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian well its not necessarily true they will be in the gulf. Well All of them wont be in the gulf. Its entirely possible to strike from outside the straight effectively. No commander wants to be repsonsible for losing a billion dollar plus war machine. The bavar-2 is not made for anything but calm seas though. they can fly two times their wing span in height. Oh and where is your proof of the seaRAM not as advertised?
yuppa396 1 week ago
@yuppa396 Of course, all need not be in the Gulf, but you do not open a blocked sound via the Indian Ocean, nor do you escort tankers from there.
Logic is my proof, I know that Sea Ram on exercises hits 24 of 25, but the exercises are just merely exercises.
Difference in theoretical exercises and real enemy missiles that will fly the 3000 km/h, the vessels do not have time to locate, lock and fire.
MrCastodian 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Oh i suppose you were there to se if the exercises were against high speed missiles too right? If you have no hard data such as i presented a few times youre not being honest. As for the escorting tankers its not something they normally do and wont unless one is fired on. Those missiles only do about mach 2.5 slow enough for the searam to nail. rember all the ships around that carrier are integrated into a unified battlenet and missile defense funtions as one.
yuppa396 1 week ago
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@MrCastodian Oh i suppose you were there to se if the exercises were against high speed missiles too right? If you have no hard data such as i presented a few times youre not being honest. As for the escorting tankers its not something they normally do and wont unless one is fired on. Those missiles only do about mach 2.5 slow enough for the searam to nail. rember all the ships around that carrier are integrated into a unified battlenet and missile defense funtions as one.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@MrCastodian Searam nails missiles like that one for breakfast. The carrier and all 8 plus ships supporting it function as one during point defense against missiles. seaRAM is designed to nail those mach 2.4 missiles. I hardly call Live fire of high speed missiles against the system theoretical. They were unmanned but still managed to destroy almost all of them.from your 24 out of 25 its even higher rate of 99 percent We will not escort oil tankers unless shot at.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@yuppa396 You do know that those ships and carriers can run out of their ammo right.
I mean if the cannons dont have bullets anymore, and if the missiles are all used,
it wont stop anything anymore.
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The USA first will shoot 40.000 missiles without explosives,
then they will shoot 200 missiles with nukes inside of it...
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Those Iran ships will DIE!!!
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I promise you that!!!
Weibkoln 1 week ago
@Weibkoln I do not think the iranians have that many boats as to exaust the entire battlefleets weapons in one day. We practice underway replinishment so as to not run out of ammo like that.Ammo can even be flown in on the cargo craft if need be.
yuppa396 1 week ago
@BlacktailDefense Well put general analysis. No aircraft is invisible to radar, the term "stealth" is over publicized.
I doubt the effectiveness of these boats and I doubt the overall capabilities of Iran's navy.
franknbeans4761 1 week ago
They can't afford runways.
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ENTERRAPTURE20 1 week ago
lol what is that clay pigeons for the u.s. navey
mtpelkey 1 week ago
Engine on the top ! Great IR signature ! Good appetit for missiles !
bo2web 1 week ago
Honestly Iran sucks ass at coordinating real wars, against Iraq they sent children up against mechanized infantry. They are slightly better than Saddam's forces but still lack the real experience and the undeniable killer tactics of US forces. Saddam had tons of shit he had Mirage fighters equipped with Exocet missiles that were supposed to waste US forces. He never even got a chance to get close before his air force and radar network were destroyed never to fly again. Easy pickins after that.
SickKnowledge82 1 week ago
@SickKnowledge82 You hit the nail on the head bro.
Xspoonage 1 week ago
i could bring those down with me 22. lol sillly iran
sniperdaniel4207 1 week ago
Nice RC plane, I shop at walmart too
Xspoonage 1 week ago
Id like to buy two of these one to shit on one to cover up the huge shit I took on the first one
xxxMental187xxx 1 week ago
I could bring one down with a Estes rocket with an M-80 for a nose cone.
2NaughtyLittleFly2 1 week ago
The US Navy can wipe out the enitre Irainian Navy in 2 hours.
EkaterinaRukovskaya 1 week ago
Those cannot be stealth and a Phalynx will rip thim to shreds
ECF1956 1 week ago
Don't laugh. Those things will rip our CVBGs to shreds if the Iranians are even halfway smart about using them. Face people, a Supercarrier is nothing but a huge floating coffin for 6,000 Americans. USN needs lots of small carriers and seaplane fighters on regular warships. Armor would be prudent, as well. Too bad it'll never happen.
MrFishzilla 1 week ago
@MrFishzilla Lol most carrier fleets have several ships equipped with Phalanx anti missile close range defensive weapons not to mention most carriers keep a constant patrol of support aircraft hundreds of miles out to prevent little turds like this from coming anywhere near a modern carrier.
SickKnowledge82 1 week ago
@SickKnowledge82 Time will tell. I hope you're right, but I I'm not too sure. Our Navy ships are understaffed which = overworked, tired crews, trying to do too much with too few people = substandard maintenance and mistakes. Plus, these things are supposed to be stealthy, right? Suppose they arm them with Mach3 plus BVR missiles with Nuclear or dirty warheads - easily obtainable from PRC/Russia - and attack en mass at 3 in the morning? No way Aegis/Phalanx would stop them ALL.
MrFishzilla 1 week ago
@MrFishzilla And they would HAVE to stop them all, because even a single "leaker" would spell death for the carrier group. Sorry, but probability plays no favorites, and there is no way in the world the Aegis/Phalanx combo could stop, let's say, 200+ Mach3 missiles in just a few seconds. They are simply not THAT good.
MrFishzilla 1 week ago