"I believe that Go is not just a sport or pastime, but an art of equal status to the art of music. Both Go and music are enwrapped with mystery, subtlety, and the beauty of an inevitable, ineluctable truth..."
Yeh, I believe you should stop smoking weed. Just my opinion, though.
On Go and Chess. The essential difference between Go and Chess is the exquisite elegance of Go. From a small, simple rule set, a virtually infinite set of possibilities arises. Specifically:
In Go, all pieces have the same value: In Chess there are six different pieces with different value.
In Go, all pieces 'move' the same. In Chess each of the six different pieces move differently.
In Go there are 19*19 intersections to play on, in Chess, 64 squares. The difference in the number
On Go and Chess. The essential difference between Go and Chess is the exquisite elegance of Go. From a small, simple rule set, a virtually infinite set of possibilities arises. Specifically:
In Go, all pieces have the same value: In Chess there are six different pieces with different value.
In Go, all pieces 'move' the same. In Chess each of the six different pieces move differently.
In Go there are 19*19 intersections to play on, in Chess, 64 squares. The difference in the number of squares
I love Go and decided to help a friend when he created a Non-Profit Organization call Spread Go. I think you can guess what we are about. Check out our facebook page at facebook.com/pages/SpreadGo/151071991636616 Check us out and show your support or help us spread the word.
Go and igo are the same thing just that in japan it is usually referred to as igo Go is the universal word for the game. In the United states The Go Association decided to use Goe as it was (more America) Each country has a word for it and sometime different playing styles and skill levels.
for anyone that wants to learn go start here playgo.to/iwtg/en/ then try a go server. I prefer gokgs.com anyone of us there would be more than happy to teach someone new. In the go world its an honor to be a teacher so don't be shy!
awesome vid...does it remind anyone else of something from old Sesame Street, in a way? the animation, i dunno, it just calls old Sesame Street to mind =/
@Gunblade101CA Igo is the full Japanese name but commonly abbreviated as Go in Japan and internationally aswell. Since it was Japan who played the largest role in internationalizing go many of the terms used in the game come from Japanese and are thus the same in International/english as in Japan. In Korea it's known as Baduk and in china, Weiqi. The terms for moves are different in Korea and china aswell.
Interesting game! I'm doing all I can to understand what is going on but I don't know go estrategy very well...Do someone know a good site where I can learn the estrategy of this game?? Thanks!
WHAT?! There's an American Go Assos.?!?!?! . . . i did not know that. I've been trying to learn to play, but i cant find a place that gives lessons!! T^T and i'm the only person i know in san antonio that's interested in the game!
Speechless!! Listened this album the whole day through and i thank my lucky stars that i found this full album for free download at DownloadMusic/./im ,remove the slashes .
What album are you speaking of? "A Game of Go" by Quattro Mani? My 1990 Northeastern CD which includes "A Game of Go"? I tried to locate the downloadmusic link with/without slashes- no luck. Could you tell me what album you're talking about or a precise link how to find this? Thanks, Haskell Small
Wow, I'm so glad someone thought to make a video like this. It's a great illustration of the drama and intensity of a game of go. The only downside is that I had to rewind to see where some of the tenukis were played.
Go is a very good game, however I think the music you associate with it makes it sound like a nightmare/horror. I would create a soundtrack where black and white represent some kind of random sounds.
Oh, I wish I could play Go. I've been reading Hikaru no Go and I think I've got the rules and terms down, but I can't have an actual game because I have yet to meet anyone who's ever heard of it.
google "internet go server pandanet" . You can download their client software and then log in to play with people all over the world. Once you go to the site it's easy, they have instructions on how to get started. good luck!
To try to argue that there is little strategy in either go or chess is a testament to your ignorance. Yashil17, to be quite honest I think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You can't predict future moves because there are to many possibilities? Please. Any chess piece has an absurd amount of possible movement paths throughout a single game, but you wouldn't tell me that if a queen had a checkmate as one of those options, you wouldn't reasonably predict it would make thatmove
problem with programming a GO AI is the difficulty of figuring out "winning" or "losing"... You can't make the computer "brute-force" the GO board because it has trouble figuring out which brute-forced move/combo puts it in a winning position.
A true brute force implementation will play every possible move to the very end of the game. From there, a computer can easily tell winning positions since all it has to do is add territory and subtract captures. The problem is the sheer number of possible ending games that makes that idea impractical.
You are describing a problem with partial brute force analysis.
So your telling me it is impossible, I still don't see any evidence to your claim. Nor do I see you try to refute any of mine. You just say it is impossible and that is that.
Btw, I never claimed that a computer could understand the game, merely play it at top levels. If the moves are deduced, the computers objective is done. Computers don't understand chess either, they still play very well.
Prove me wrong. Only an amateur would claim that moves are limited in certain points. Though it is true, if you think like a dim wit. Are you a dim wit?
You implied I was a dim wit, it was obviously a rhetorical question...
Why does my skill at go even matter? I do play the game but I don't claim to be the most amazing player ever. How good are you at computer programming?
Again, your post lacks any evidence to your claim. Give me a reason to believe what your saying rather than just saying someone said so. Or at least give me a link to this person you were talking about.
Most players are very good against programs. They are not as amazing as you think. I implied you were a dim wit if you believe a move is focused on one area. Computers if you go on KGS or IGS are weak even at 6k rank. I put your rank around 17k. Considering you lack to understand Go. My rank is 4k.
When did I ever say or imply a move is focused on one area? I said opening moves are usually made in one of 16 different positions with very few exceptions, but I never said anything about focusing on one area...
Or is that another of your stick man arguments... come up with a weak opposing view point of your own and attack that rather than my actual suggestions. Much like you did when you said, " well if they discovered patterns in Chess they must have also in Go".
16? I think you mean 364? Unless you suck. You don't need to imply or say your an amauter, I can tell by your lack of understanding how the game works. Has someone been reading too much Wikipedia. When you stop being a weak player and an amauter I think you might learn a bit more about the Go. There are far more then 16, if you count all the forms of joseki you might discover over 100 or more.
Usually play starts in one of the corners, from the (3,3) to (4,4) positions. I realize that there are other ways to open, (such as the great wall) but the professionals seldom stray from the 16 I mention.
Joseki are basically go patterns. I was talking about one move, not the first several moves.
Those are the common patterns. But common does not mean limited. Personaly I use a different joseki. From the very start of the game you should be able to sense how the game should go or shape up. If I play on the (4,4) then I should play another joseki to work with that. So in a sense (if you're really good) you can tell 100 or 150 moves ahead. In this game for example, neither of the players are playing direct moves, but moves that shape the game. Sure a robot can play directly, but not safely
In my "idealized" setting, certainly not intended as real-time go playing, I thought of the whole sequence as 1 musical idea- feel free to pause/slow it down! :)
Of course it should, and I painstakingly sought that wherever possible. But my intent in writing this piece was not to be too literal, and like in a good game of go where balance is essential, at times I found it necessary to compromise to maintain the integrity of the music. My apologies if what I have done appears to denigrate the depth of the game.
unlike chess Go's best minds are not computers the highest computer hasn't come close to reaching ametuer dan ranks so it would be more beneficial to practice against humans
It wasn't long ago it was like that for chess as well... someone will come up with a go algorithm eventually that will eliminate bad paths quickly, unlike the brute force methods they use now. And when that happens, expect computers to be beating the top dan players like the new deap blue takes care of chess masters.
nope incorrect programmers have already stated that the only way that a computer will master go is through artificial intelligence which we are no where close to achieving
Which programmers? There are still many developers looking at new ways to eliminate some of the poor branches when processing a go board. The best public go program today plays at 3k to 1d roughly, where as a year ago a 1d could beat any program giving it a 30 stone handicap.
Like I said, it is all about finding better algorithms for processing the board, and they are out there.
And, the mere fact a computer is playing go is already artificial intelligience...
really do you actually know what artificial intelligence is? if a computer had artificial intelligence then it would have free will think like a human does learn knowledge like humans do and interact like humans do we are no where close to that type of technology and in my opinion we will never have ai in the future
There are many AI engines already developed, and they have nothing to do with free will. It is impossible for any computer to ever have free will as they only do what their programs tell them.
AI is called artificial intelligience because it simulates intelligience. Therefore, any time a computer appears to have intelligence (such as playing go) they are considered to have AI. You can only get the definition of AI you have from movies...
"an intelligent agent is a system that perceives its environment and takes actions which maximize its chances of success."
That sounds exactly like what I was saying... It has nothing to do with learning or free will. It simply has algorithms for determining the best chances of success. The better the algorithm, the better the AI.
you obviously didn't read the parts about if it is made or not which in fact it is not AI does not exist and never will and if you think it does then you are a moron
"Artificial intelligence has successfully been used in a wide range of fields including medical diagnosis, stock trading, robot control, law, scientific discovery, video games and toys."
Directly from the page you referred me to... check under the "applications of artificial intelligence" section. Again, your definition of AI will never be created, I agree. However, that is the movie version of AI, not the real life one.
"The problem of simulating (or creating) intelligence has been broken down into a number of specific sub-problems. These consist of particular traits or capabilities that researchers would like an intelligent system to display. The traits described below have received the most attention" notice the rest of what your quote says "when a technique reaches mainstream use it is no longer considered artificial intelligence, sometimes described as the AI effect."
Yes, because the mainstream have it in their heads that AI is actually intelligent robots (much like you do). I am saying that when a developer talks about AI, they are talking about simulated intelligience through algorithms, not actual intelligence. That is why when AI hits mainstream, it is no longer considered AI...
So when you quote a programmer saying a much more complex AI has to be developed before a computer will master go, he doesn't mean actual thinking machines.
funny when I heard the developers say AI they defined it as what I said it to be a computer that learns like a human and whose mind operates like a human which they said would take a huge technological leap to achieve which might take a century or two which I say will never happen so computers will never reach mid-high amatuer dan lvl let alone professional
kooler, you are a fool if that is what you think. The game of go is merely a game with only so many different combinations of moves and strategy. Computers will get better and better at it as they become faster and as more efficient algorithms are invented. That is obvious....
Just out of curiosity, where did you here a programmer say that we computers aren't going to master go until we have achieved higher level AI, and then go on to define AI?
Go is actualy deeper than a game it requries understanding of aji the one key part of the game that a combination computer can't master you obviously have not played the game or studied as long as I did a simple computer can not focus on aji or influence that tells it where to move on the board in the opening so indefinately it will never go past 1 amateur dan I saw the videos of the computer go tournaments and the developers said what I'm saying this proofs my point you are a fool
I am sure you can play go better than I can, however, I bet I can program better than you. I know what artificial intelligence is in relation to computers and you are not right.
The go board has only a finite number of possible moves, and can therefore be completely exploited by a computer using a brute force tactic. The only trouble is the amount of time it would take. Therefore, programmers come up with algorithms to eliminate obvious (to us) bad paths. This is all artificial intelligence is.
yeah, your right about that, couple years they said the strongest super computer would take more then a 5 years to make the first move, but computers get stronger everyday.. I bet you in a couple decades the strongest super computer will be able to beat a pro go player.
The number of moves in the game of Go exceed the number of atoms in the universe. Making an algorithm wouldn't help since Go follows no single pattern, and the stones do not follow any rules or order. One could even play the game of Go by placing stones randomly on the board and still come out with an outcome. Unlike chess there are no limits. Except: not to repeat moves and to place one stone at a time per player. You were arguing on the basis of a computer algorithm (from to two months ago).
The actual number of legal moves in a game is irrelevant, as long as there is an actual limit, it is theoretically possible (although very expensive) to brute force a solution to each particular move. This is, however, impractical which presents the challenge to programmers. Since go is a game of logic, it has, by definition, the potential to be broken down into functions (aka algorithms). While being less powerful than brute force, the moves presented through algorithms will be cost efficient.
There is no limit is what I meant. There is no order in Go, there is only chaos. Unless robots are someday capable of thinking with AI. Until then nothing will happen. Chess is a limited game. I wondered why everyone was so suprised?
When you play go, you do not make random moves.... each move has reason behind it. A player playing randomly would surely lose to a player playing with reason.
AI is just a fancy term for the imitation of intelligence. We have already developed many AI programs that do a variety of things (including go playing). There are already many algorithms in use to determine go moves. Go does have patterns and does have a limited number of logical moves.
In common usage, a pattern is nothing more than a succession of repeating events. There are no patterns in Go. Sadly making the excuse: "well if they discovered patterns in Chess they must have also in Go". Sadly Go is only limited further in the game. You bore me and will most likely reply as your baby cry way of not acepting defeat.
Both reason and logic can be simulated... That is the job of the algorithms in AI programs. The mere fact we have computer programs that preform at 2 kyu today is proof that algorithms do work in go. It is just a matter of getting better algorithms and increasing processing power. Both of which are inevitable.
It wast stated a few years ago that more then codes will be necessary for AI. computers will never be stronger then most likely dan level. They are incapable of understanding the patterns in go. You can program them, but they will always fail to the same rank.
Stated by who? Is there some all knowing programmer that sent out a memo that I missed?
Even if it was stated by someone, the fact that year after year computers get better at go is proof that programmers haven't given up, and that the algorithms used are being redefined and are working.
I don't understand how you can sit there making the claim you know a computers limits yet you know so little about how they work.
Odd. My reply never went through. I replied saying that machines are based on response, not reason or best moves. At Dan Level they will lose to kyu's. Sadly I see no comparison between Chess and Go. I guess you do.
I agree that chess and go are completely different games. I don't see any comparisons between chess and connect 5 either, that doesn't mean you can't write a program to play connect 5...
Computers are based on arithmetic and logic, not response. Everything a computer does falls into one of those categories. An algorithm is a combination of (mostly) logic and (partly) arithmetic in order to accomplish a duty (such as determine a best move). The better the algorithm, the better the move.
It is not a matter of debate. It is a matter of right and wrong, and you're wrong. Let's wait 20 years and see what happens. Chess always had a simple formula. In fact most of the moves and responses to those moves are found online.
ok, lets wait 20 years and see... but I hope you know that if this debate were happening 20 years ago, when go playing computers were non-existent, you would find that I was right. That computers can play go reasonably well (maybe not at a professional level yet).
20 years from now, I suspect there will be go algorithms that would easily beet todays top professionals. Of course (just as in chess) the best and most exciting games will still be played by humans.
What evidence have you presented for your claim that go cannot be played by a computer. Oh ya, someone said it can't, and it is what you believe so it must be true....
Again, the actual number of possible moves is irrelevant unless you are implementing a brute force tactic. Since I am arguing that algorithmic implementation, which greatly reduces the amount of possible moves by eliminating illogical moves. For instance, opening moves are played in the corners, usually within the (3,3) to (4,4) positions. That leaves only 16 possible opening moves (with some rare exceptions).
whereas in chess, great Grandmasters could predict the opening game to the endgame, why because chess is more logical, for it has a reasonable amout of limits, you know how many books have been created for chess, they made opening and endgame books, but couldn't write middle-game for it has alot, and can't really find the most logical moves.
chess is even more famous, there are many international tournements that rewards greatly,
I've presented plenty of evidence, I compared go playing algorithms from the past to those that are in use now to show that they are getting better, that they are working, and that programmers haven't given up. That is all observable evidence to my claim.
you capture land and pieces with same pieces being placed in an intersection of lines that are more than the atoms of the Universe, which is quite alot. so how could you have difficult or any strategy in a game like that?
in go (since there are alot of land/intersection of lines) it would take you years to predict just 1 move ahead, so if you would want to do that, you would waste your time and probly predict it wrong(So really no real/difficult strategy)
if the standard go board is18 by 18, and if you can't repeat the same placements/moves then how does go have more placements/moves then the number of atoms in the universe?
You can't repeat for the first move. There are things called Ko fights. When I said atoms I probably meant protons. In all: The end game. The Middle game, and The start game contain almost limitless moves. Unless you are in a very tight spot the combination of moves is tremendous. Especially when players can think 100 or 50 moves ahead. 364 (if correct) moves times 364 then times all the games ever played in the world. Equals? Then multiply it by future games.
The amount of moves if played 100 million times in the world inclusing past. Would equal to: 3,640,000,000. Three trillion three hundred sixty four million.
That equation makes no sense... You are adding up all the moves that have been played and that ever will be played, not all the different moves possible. By your logic, tic tac toe has an infinite number of moves. I mean any given game has roughly 6 moves * all the games of the past * all the future games..... how does that make any sense?
Chess the simplest game being compared to Go. I never thought I would see the day. I must ask? Are you just starting Go? Because you seem to lack how the game of Go works.
The complexity of chess in an entirely different debate... it's irrelevant to what we are talking about. I claimed that go can be simulated on computers based on the fact that there are go algorithms that are already better than the average go player. You can see that year after year (even these past years) the go algorithms are becoming better and computers are becoming better as a result.
I could give you a list of go projects that are still in development so programmers haven't given up.
i haven't played go yet, but i've heard alot about it, and someone did tell me that this game is more difficult than chess, but that was 14 year old telling me who sucked in chess, begginer.
anyways so can you explain how chess (having thousands of openings, thousands of endgames, and unknown amount of middle-game, and many other variants in them) is "more simple" than go?
in chess that's included also, but there is more variety of moves, the pieces all have different moves, in Go(as far as i know doesn't have different pieces at all, somewhat like checkers) and i read that you've stated that the number of moves in go(not really moves, just the number of lines that intersect) are more than the number of atoms in the universe,
I am a player of both chess and go... which one is more complex depends on your definition of complexity. The rules and tactics of chess are (in my opinion) more complex than go. The long term strategy in go is far more complex than chess however (again my opinion).
Chess is simple. It in a way already gives you hints. In Go you must guess. Chess is a limited game. Limited moves. Limited rules. Even a famous Go player claimed that Go was outside this materialism chess holds. opinions are dust to logic, rational thought, and truth. They are as good as lies when wrong.
@ajtaggs sure, 19*19 is a much larger playground, also the rules of killing ones figures and placing them are much wider, so that adds to the complexity too. in chess your moves are very well limited, the reasonable ones are even more... while in go you can put wherever you want (with a few exceptions). and to hit you only have to replace a figure, in go you have to surround it.
@ajtaggs i'd so love to receive training in Go but...i've never been able to find a partner/teacher =/ it looks fun though, i wonder if people play Go like they play chess? hopes and dreams, foibles and strengths, hates and desires, people's chess play reveals who they REALLY are deep down...moving forward or back, staying put or advancing, anxiously or with confidence, risking or not, believing or not, with bravado or deceit or true genius...i wonder if Go allows for this experience as well?
@ajtaggs lol no sorry chess is simple you just gotta think ur moves out clearly GO on the otherhand has multiple things to pay attention to lots of rules and way too many tactics in fact not all of them have been discovered
Yes, amazing game! And glad you like the music. Yes, I'm playing the piano 1 part ( black, Shusaku)- see the 4th title page that comes up on the video.
The rules are so simple and natural you can learn them in 5 minutes, but to even begin to understand the depth of the game takes a lifetime. The game is great fun at any level though, and you'll learn as you go, so go for it!
I don't want to bother you but I was looking for this game (PC Version) , sometimes I don't want to play online against other people , so do you have any idea where I can download this game? I was looking everywhere :(
Not necessarily. Material superiority does not guarantee that the side with the superiority is better. This is why players sometimes sacrifice the exchange (rook for minor piece) and other such things. Chess is not "only" concerned with material.
I know it is not only a material gain that wins, but the algorithms written for chess are heavy on material gain.
Other factors such as pawn structure, king exposure, and move availability also play roles. But material gain is the biggest deciding factor for a computer.
To learn Go, there's a method: try on a very small board 7x7 or even 5x5... with the rule "first who take 3 stones win". After a few games, you'll discover that some stones cannot be captured (groups with 2 eyes...).
"I believe that Go is not just a sport or pastime, but an art of equal status to the art of music. Both Go and music are enwrapped with mystery, subtlety, and the beauty of an inevitable, ineluctable truth..."
Yeh, I believe you should stop smoking weed. Just my opinion, though.
jlmdfnbo 2 weeks ago
PGxElNino from KGS : D
palmpoo007 3 weeks ago
I have a stupid question. Do you think it would be possible to play Go on a Nintendo DS? Like, through homebrew?
VoiceofCthulhu 1 month ago
try online-go just type in google online-go and it is the first result
123321123peter 2 months ago
where can i buy a board with stone and how utch does it cost
TheXxgamerdudexX 3 months ago
@TheXxgamerdudexX I know it may sound really weird to you, but it is possible to buy stuff through the internet in sites like ebay.
zoe745 2 months ago
@zoe745 umm no its not wired because i am fuckin CANDIAN
TheXxgamerdudexX 2 months ago
On Go and Chess. The essential difference between Go and Chess is the exquisite elegance of Go. From a small, simple rule set, a virtually infinite set of possibilities arises. Specifically:
In Go, all pieces have the same value: In Chess there are six different pieces with different value.
In Go, all pieces 'move' the same. In Chess each of the six different pieces move differently.
In Go there are 19*19 intersections to play on, in Chess, 64 squares. The difference in the number
peterfree11 3 months ago
On Go and Chess. The essential difference between Go and Chess is the exquisite elegance of Go. From a small, simple rule set, a virtually infinite set of possibilities arises. Specifically:
In Go, all pieces have the same value: In Chess there are six different pieces with different value.
In Go, all pieces 'move' the same. In Chess each of the six different pieces move differently.
In Go there are 19*19 intersections to play on, in Chess, 64 squares. The difference in the number of squares
peterfree11 3 months ago
ran out of characters:(
that is, number of possible games is astronomical.
In Go openings, each of the four corners have openings, all of which relate to each other and the whole board.
In Chess, there is only one main battlefield in the opening, the four central squares.
In Go, the person who moves first wins half the time: In Chess, almost always.
In sum, if you are looking for the ultimate game of skill, there is no comparison between Go and Chess, or for that matter, Go and any other game:)
peterfree11 3 months ago
Thank you :-)
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TheMarkedOfHell 5 months ago
Chess and go are alike. Chess is a battle and go is a war
TheMarkedOfHell 5 months ago
Go and igo are the same thing just that in japan it is usually referred to as igo Go is the universal word for the game. In the United states The Go Association decided to use Goe as it was (more America) Each country has a word for it and sometime different playing styles and skill levels.
TheMarkedOfHell 6 months ago
fuvk u i just had to say that bitch
kingjamison99 7 months ago
Wow very impressive composition !!!
VivienneJure 7 months ago
Go is far more complex than chess, just check the number of possibilities in any given game.
sinchi558 8 months ago
no dont need to google. just type in gokgs.co you know
otherdude15 9 months ago
for anyone that wants to learn go start here playgo.to/iwtg/en/ then try a go server. I prefer gokgs.com anyone of us there would be more than happy to teach someone new. In the go world its an honor to be a teacher so don't be shy!
akaishicbro 1 year ago
awesome vid...does it remind anyone else of something from old Sesame Street, in a way? the animation, i dunno, it just calls old Sesame Street to mind =/
rofflemows 1 year ago
What's Go? This is Wei Chi
sm0kie420 1 year ago
@sm0kie420 Or even Baduk.
abandonwareguru 1 year ago
@sm0kie420 Love the name! Go is the Japanese name for the Chinese game Weiqi (Can't tell if sarcasm is being applied).
DasKammergericht 1 year ago
i dont get it cause i cant c it.
i mean like strategy n stuff
im a chess player btw
kakaman05 1 year ago
there's 45 seconds of introductery stuff
Fockersd 1 year ago
If I were black, I'd have surrendered by now.
ManticoreFire 1 year ago
musics kinda freaky o.o; i was expecting something more relaxing-- thanks for uploading this though =]
CiipherZer0 1 year ago
I am a pianist, a composer, and a player of go--and I think this video is pretty cool!
CoolWorldMusic 1 year ago
still trying to learn the concept
its been a year now still trying understand it
inaminutechaserich 1 year ago
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its a game of igo 囲碁 not go and i am pretty sure about that
MrHiti 1 year ago
Yes you are right, but it is commonly abbreviated as go.
hs
haskellsmall 1 year ago 6
ok!
MrHiti 1 year ago
Actually the two are the same, Go is also called Igo, Baduk, and weiqi. Get yo facts straight!
CalebCoptor 1 year ago
@MrHiti And here I thought it was a game of Weiqi. Silly me.
craigkbryant 1 year ago
@MrHiti Well go is orignated in china, it's name should be in chinese - 围棋
pingshiyu 1 year ago
@MrHiti it is but that all depends on ur language for US/americans is go for japanese is igo and korean its haduk
Gunblade101CA 3 months ago
@Gunblade101CA Igo is the full Japanese name but commonly abbreviated as Go in Japan and internationally aswell. Since it was Japan who played the largest role in internationalizing go many of the terms used in the game come from Japanese and are thus the same in International/english as in Japan. In Korea it's known as Baduk and in china, Weiqi. The terms for moves are different in Korea and china aswell.
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this was a really bad game im even better then that but then again i haven't seen the end game
MADBOY169 1 year ago
@MADBOY169 perhaps it looks to you like a bad game but this is a high ranked game of two mega pros.
ValePhoenix 1 year ago
Interesting game! I'm doing all I can to understand what is going on but I don't know go estrategy very well...Do someone know a good site where I can learn the estrategy of this game?? Thanks!
Jo01239 1 year ago
Honinbo Shusaku is a legend
Flareknife 2 years ago
WHAT?! There's an American Go Assos.?!?!?! . . . i did not know that. I've been trying to learn to play, but i cant find a place that gives lessons!! T^T and i'm the only person i know in san antonio that's interested in the game!
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Speechless!! Listened this album the whole day through and i thank my lucky stars that i found this full album for free download at DownloadMusic/./im ,remove the slashes .
monkey1971577 2 years ago
What album are you speaking of? "A Game of Go" by Quattro Mani? My 1990 Northeastern CD which includes "A Game of Go"? I tried to locate the downloadmusic link with/without slashes- no luck. Could you tell me what album you're talking about or a precise link how to find this? Thanks, Haskell Small
haskellsmall 2 years ago
@haskellsmall That guy's comment is just spam advertising his site.
Great video though, concept and execution was great!
meteosmaster 2 years ago
Thanks for the heads up, and your comment!
hs
haskellsmall 2 years ago
Dont worry about him. He's spamming up your comments page with useless websites.
infoherper 1 year ago
Yep, got it now! Thanks, hs
haskellsmall 1 year ago
What was the name of the album? I like this piece, too, and would like to find the disk.
jamesarts 2 years ago
Wow, I'm so glad someone thought to make a video like this. It's a great illustration of the drama and intensity of a game of go. The only downside is that I had to rewind to see where some of the tenukis were played.
TimBillyRichie 2 years ago
Haha Hikaru rocks but most of the people (including me) heard about go from hikaru no go :)
cprow10 2 years ago
seems to me like everyone who reads go gets involved, i my self read it and am now a 1 dan newly started.
dvldog939 2 years ago
yeah. hikaru no go is the best. the battle between sai and toya koyo is my fave. btw, good vid!
hhhuuu14 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
i was interested in playing this unique game, but after this video my minds changed...
linkots 2 years ago
Go is a very good game, however I think the music you associate with it makes it sound like a nightmare/horror. I would create a soundtrack where black and white represent some kind of random sounds.
StopFear 2 years ago
shusaku is truly amazing
swaminetz 2 years ago
Oh, I wish I could play Go. I've been reading Hikaru no Go and I think I've got the rules and terms down, but I can't have an actual game because I have yet to meet anyone who's ever heard of it.
MegaMozartfan 2 years ago 2
play it online, type in google "go kgs"
NathanWubs 2 years ago 25
I play Go.I wan't to get better,but I can only play online,and i'm so bad at it!I dunno what to do...
darthgoosius 2 years ago
if you play online, you should get a good feel for the smaller boards first like 9x9 and then 13x13
Luero 2 years ago
where can can you play online, can someone tell me please ? :)
TheBLACKandWH1TEarmy 2 years ago
google "internet go server pandanet" . You can download their client software and then log in to play with people all over the world. Once you go to the site it's easy, they have instructions on how to get started. good luck!
MeiHouZi 2 years ago
same. I got interested in it after reading Hikaru no Go
tigerspaw8 2 years ago
I really liked the music during the ko fight section. Very nice video!
iamjiraiya 2 years ago
Thanks!
hs
haskellsmall 2 years ago
I play the go the same way but using a piece of paper and pencils for the circles..
IggyBugFreak 2 years ago
To try to argue that there is little strategy in either go or chess is a testament to your ignorance. Yashil17, to be quite honest I think you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. You can't predict future moves because there are to many possibilities? Please. Any chess piece has an absurd amount of possible movement paths throughout a single game, but you wouldn't tell me that if a queen had a checkmate as one of those options, you wouldn't reasonably predict it would make thatmove
LegitSharker 2 years ago
problem with programming a GO AI is the difficulty of figuring out "winning" or "losing"... You can't make the computer "brute-force" the GO board because it has trouble figuring out which brute-forced move/combo puts it in a winning position.
ThreeRight 2 years ago
A true brute force implementation will play every possible move to the very end of the game. From there, a computer can easily tell winning positions since all it has to do is add territory and subtract captures. The problem is the sheer number of possible ending games that makes that idea impractical.
You are describing a problem with partial brute force analysis.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
And I'm telling you it's impossible. Even if the moves are deduced only a human mind can truly understand the game.
oros123456 2 years ago
So your telling me it is impossible, I still don't see any evidence to your claim. Nor do I see you try to refute any of mine. You just say it is impossible and that is that.
Btw, I never claimed that a computer could understand the game, merely play it at top levels. If the moves are deduced, the computers objective is done. Computers don't understand chess either, they still play very well.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Prove me wrong. Only an amateur would claim that moves are limited in certain points. Though it is true, if you think like a dim wit. Are you a dim wit?
oros123456 2 years ago
Resorting to an Ad hominem again I see, calling me names rather than coming up with any evidence to your claim at all.
I am curious, if you think go algorithms don't work at all, how do you think the current go computers play the game?
ajtaggs 2 years ago
I asked if you were. A great Go player is able to think beyond 16 moves. If you are that limited you must not be very good.
oros123456 2 years ago
You implied I was a dim wit, it was obviously a rhetorical question...
Why does my skill at go even matter? I do play the game but I don't claim to be the most amazing player ever. How good are you at computer programming?
Again, your post lacks any evidence to your claim. Give me a reason to believe what your saying rather than just saying someone said so. Or at least give me a link to this person you were talking about.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Most players are very good against programs. They are not as amazing as you think. I implied you were a dim wit if you believe a move is focused on one area. Computers if you go on KGS or IGS are weak even at 6k rank. I put your rank around 17k. Considering you lack to understand Go. My rank is 4k.
oros123456 2 years ago
When did I ever say or imply a move is focused on one area? I said opening moves are usually made in one of 16 different positions with very few exceptions, but I never said anything about focusing on one area...
Or is that another of your stick man arguments... come up with a weak opposing view point of your own and attack that rather than my actual suggestions. Much like you did when you said, " well if they discovered patterns in Chess they must have also in Go".
ajtaggs 2 years ago
16? I think you mean 364? Unless you suck. You don't need to imply or say your an amauter, I can tell by your lack of understanding how the game works. Has someone been reading too much Wikipedia. When you stop being a weak player and an amauter I think you might learn a bit more about the Go. There are far more then 16, if you count all the forms of joseki you might discover over 100 or more.
oros123456 2 years ago
Usually play starts in one of the corners, from the (3,3) to (4,4) positions. I realize that there are other ways to open, (such as the great wall) but the professionals seldom stray from the 16 I mention.
Joseki are basically go patterns. I was talking about one move, not the first several moves.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Those are the common patterns. But common does not mean limited. Personaly I use a different joseki. From the very start of the game you should be able to sense how the game should go or shape up. If I play on the (4,4) then I should play another joseki to work with that. So in a sense (if you're really good) you can tell 100 or 150 moves ahead. In this game for example, neither of the players are playing direct moves, but moves that shape the game. Sure a robot can play directly, but not safely
oros123456 2 years ago
jesus christ your sad pretty much half the coments on here are from you and not a lot of them mention anything to do directly with this video
picochat100 2 years ago
I am just having a debate with oros... I really could care less if you think that is sad or not.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
then why did you reply to my comment?
picochat100 2 years ago
Wow it's really cool this combination of Go fight and piano music! :-)
punpck 2 years ago
Wow, this game is very difficult to understand.
davidnalba 2 years ago
idiot ... Honinbo Shusaku was the best go player in the world, even compared with current top pros ...
punpck 2 years ago
What?
davidnalba 2 years ago
not really, take a look to wikipedia is like a game of the primary school with lines in spanish we call it timbiriche
grancucharon 2 years ago
In my opinion the music is not good for suck a game, where as Go is a symbol of balance the music becomes a total of chaotic sounds
BrokenDarkne55 2 years ago
i agree, plus why are most of these people posting whole books as comments its insane
dr0war 2 years ago
Way to fast forward a super complicated sequence. :)
mkiozipangbuu 2 years ago
In my "idealized" setting, certainly not intended as real-time go playing, I thought of the whole sequence as 1 musical idea- feel free to pause/slow it down! :)
hs
haskellsmall 2 years ago
I think the music should flow with the game not the other way around.
gocrazy432 2 years ago
Of course it should, and I painstakingly sought that wherever possible. But my intent in writing this piece was not to be too literal, and like in a good game of go where balance is essential, at times I found it necessary to compromise to maintain the integrity of the music. My apologies if what I have done appears to denigrate the depth of the game.
hs
haskellsmall 2 years ago
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oros123456 2 years ago
is there any web site that you can practice go against a computer?
bekuso89 2 years ago
Not a website, but if you're on Windows, Igowin is an excellent program. Google for "smart games igowin", and the first link will take you there.
Have fun!
xorandor 2 years ago
You can also try this *excellent* tutorial site. Google for "interactive way to go"
xorandor 2 years ago 3
KGS, IGS are the one's I use.
oros123456 2 years ago
unlike chess Go's best minds are not computers the highest computer hasn't come close to reaching ametuer dan ranks so it would be more beneficial to practice against humans
kooler2004 2 years ago 3
It wasn't long ago it was like that for chess as well... someone will come up with a go algorithm eventually that will eliminate bad paths quickly, unlike the brute force methods they use now. And when that happens, expect computers to be beating the top dan players like the new deap blue takes care of chess masters.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
nope incorrect programmers have already stated that the only way that a computer will master go is through artificial intelligence which we are no where close to achieving
kooler2004 2 years ago
Which programmers? There are still many developers looking at new ways to eliminate some of the poor branches when processing a go board. The best public go program today plays at 3k to 1d roughly, where as a year ago a 1d could beat any program giving it a 30 stone handicap.
Like I said, it is all about finding better algorithms for processing the board, and they are out there.
And, the mere fact a computer is playing go is already artificial intelligience...
ajtaggs 2 years ago
really do you actually know what artificial intelligence is? if a computer had artificial intelligence then it would have free will think like a human does learn knowledge like humans do and interact like humans do we are no where close to that type of technology and in my opinion we will never have ai in the future
kooler2004 2 years ago
There are many AI engines already developed, and they have nothing to do with free will. It is impossible for any computer to ever have free will as they only do what their programs tell them.
AI is called artificial intelligience because it simulates intelligience. Therefore, any time a computer appears to have intelligence (such as playing go) they are considered to have AI. You can only get the definition of AI you have from movies...
Just remember, you can't eat an artificial apple!
ajtaggs 2 years ago
That is not the right definition for AI check for your self on wikipedia because this youtube won't let me post link
kooler2004 2 years ago
"an intelligent agent is a system that perceives its environment and takes actions which maximize its chances of success."
That sounds exactly like what I was saying... It has nothing to do with learning or free will. It simply has algorithms for determining the best chances of success. The better the algorithm, the better the AI.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
you obviously didn't read the parts about if it is made or not which in fact it is not AI does not exist and never will and if you think it does then you are a moron
kooler2004 2 years ago
"Artificial intelligence has successfully been used in a wide range of fields including medical diagnosis, stock trading, robot control, law, scientific discovery, video games and toys."
Directly from the page you referred me to... check under the "applications of artificial intelligence" section. Again, your definition of AI will never be created, I agree. However, that is the movie version of AI, not the real life one.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
"The problem of simulating (or creating) intelligence has been broken down into a number of specific sub-problems. These consist of particular traits or capabilities that researchers would like an intelligent system to display. The traits described below have received the most attention" notice the rest of what your quote says "when a technique reaches mainstream use it is no longer considered artificial intelligence, sometimes described as the AI effect."
kooler2004 2 years ago
Yes, because the mainstream have it in their heads that AI is actually intelligent robots (much like you do). I am saying that when a developer talks about AI, they are talking about simulated intelligience through algorithms, not actual intelligence. That is why when AI hits mainstream, it is no longer considered AI...
So when you quote a programmer saying a much more complex AI has to be developed before a computer will master go, he doesn't mean actual thinking machines.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
funny when I heard the developers say AI they defined it as what I said it to be a computer that learns like a human and whose mind operates like a human which they said would take a huge technological leap to achieve which might take a century or two which I say will never happen so computers will never reach mid-high amatuer dan lvl let alone professional
kooler2004 2 years ago
kooler, you are a fool if that is what you think. The game of go is merely a game with only so many different combinations of moves and strategy. Computers will get better and better at it as they become faster and as more efficient algorithms are invented. That is obvious....
Just out of curiosity, where did you here a programmer say that we computers aren't going to master go until we have achieved higher level AI, and then go on to define AI?
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Go is actualy deeper than a game it requries understanding of aji the one key part of the game that a combination computer can't master you obviously have not played the game or studied as long as I did a simple computer can not focus on aji or influence that tells it where to move on the board in the opening so indefinately it will never go past 1 amateur dan I saw the videos of the computer go tournaments and the developers said what I'm saying this proofs my point you are a fool
kooler2004 2 years ago
I am sure you can play go better than I can, however, I bet I can program better than you. I know what artificial intelligence is in relation to computers and you are not right.
The go board has only a finite number of possible moves, and can therefore be completely exploited by a computer using a brute force tactic. The only trouble is the amount of time it would take. Therefore, programmers come up with algorithms to eliminate obvious (to us) bad paths. This is all artificial intelligence is.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
yeah, your right about that, couple years they said the strongest super computer would take more then a 5 years to make the first move, but computers get stronger everyday.. I bet you in a couple decades the strongest super computer will be able to beat a pro go player.
iYokkyuu 2 years ago
The number of moves in the game of Go exceed the number of atoms in the universe. Making an algorithm wouldn't help since Go follows no single pattern, and the stones do not follow any rules or order. One could even play the game of Go by placing stones randomly on the board and still come out with an outcome. Unlike chess there are no limits. Except: not to repeat moves and to place one stone at a time per player. You were arguing on the basis of a computer algorithm (from to two months ago).
oros123456 2 years ago
Until computers reach infinite power we won't be playing any 9 pro super computer.
oros123456 2 years ago
The actual number of legal moves in a game is irrelevant, as long as there is an actual limit, it is theoretically possible (although very expensive) to brute force a solution to each particular move. This is, however, impractical which presents the challenge to programmers. Since go is a game of logic, it has, by definition, the potential to be broken down into functions (aka algorithms). While being less powerful than brute force, the moves presented through algorithms will be cost efficient.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
There is no limit is what I meant. There is no order in Go, there is only chaos. Unless robots are someday capable of thinking with AI. Until then nothing will happen. Chess is a limited game. I wondered why everyone was so suprised?
oros123456 2 years ago
When you play go, you do not make random moves.... each move has reason behind it. A player playing randomly would surely lose to a player playing with reason.
AI is just a fancy term for the imitation of intelligence. We have already developed many AI programs that do a variety of things (including go playing). There are already many algorithms in use to determine go moves. Go does have patterns and does have a limited number of logical moves.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
In common usage, a pattern is nothing more than a succession of repeating events. There are no patterns in Go. Sadly making the excuse: "well if they discovered patterns in Chess they must have also in Go". Sadly Go is only limited further in the game. You bore me and will most likely reply as your baby cry way of not acepting defeat.
oros123456 2 years ago
Calling me a baby is ad hominem attack. It in no way invalidates my point. Also, why do you put quotes around words I never said?
ajtaggs 2 years ago
I never said you said it. It is a concept of thought.
oros123456 2 years ago
Reason and pattern are not the same. Reason involves logic. Not codes.
oros123456 2 years ago
Both reason and logic can be simulated... That is the job of the algorithms in AI programs. The mere fact we have computer programs that preform at 2 kyu today is proof that algorithms do work in go. It is just a matter of getting better algorithms and increasing processing power. Both of which are inevitable.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
It wast stated a few years ago that more then codes will be necessary for AI. computers will never be stronger then most likely dan level. They are incapable of understanding the patterns in go. You can program them, but they will always fail to the same rank.
oros123456 2 years ago
Stated by who? Is there some all knowing programmer that sent out a memo that I missed?
Even if it was stated by someone, the fact that year after year computers get better at go is proof that programmers haven't given up, and that the algorithms used are being redefined and are working.
I don't understand how you can sit there making the claim you know a computers limits yet you know so little about how they work.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Odd. My reply never went through. I replied saying that machines are based on response, not reason or best moves. At Dan Level they will lose to kyu's. Sadly I see no comparison between Chess and Go. I guess you do.
oros123456 2 years ago
I agree that chess and go are completely different games. I don't see any comparisons between chess and connect 5 either, that doesn't mean you can't write a program to play connect 5...
Computers are based on arithmetic and logic, not response. Everything a computer does falls into one of those categories. An algorithm is a combination of (mostly) logic and (partly) arithmetic in order to accomplish a duty (such as determine a best move). The better the algorithm, the better the move.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
It is not a matter of debate. It is a matter of right and wrong, and you're wrong. Let's wait 20 years and see what happens. Chess always had a simple formula. In fact most of the moves and responses to those moves are found online.
oros123456 2 years ago
ok, lets wait 20 years and see... but I hope you know that if this debate were happening 20 years ago, when go playing computers were non-existent, you would find that I was right. That computers can play go reasonably well (maybe not at a professional level yet).
20 years from now, I suspect there will be go algorithms that would easily beet todays top professionals. Of course (just as in chess) the best and most exciting games will still be played by humans.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Yet you (not sure if you even play Go) lack to understand the complexity.
oros123456 2 years ago
What evidence have you presented for your claim that go cannot be played by a computer. Oh ya, someone said it can't, and it is what you believe so it must be true....
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Considering Go has more moves then any atom in the universe?
oros123456 2 years ago
Again, the actual number of possible moves is irrelevant unless you are implementing a brute force tactic. Since I am arguing that algorithmic implementation, which greatly reduces the amount of possible moves by eliminating illogical moves. For instance, opening moves are played in the corners, usually within the (3,3) to (4,4) positions. That leaves only 16 possible opening moves (with some rare exceptions).
ajtaggs 2 years ago
continuation...
whereas in chess, great Grandmasters could predict the opening game to the endgame, why because chess is more logical, for it has a reasonable amout of limits, you know how many books have been created for chess, they made opening and endgame books, but couldn't write middle-game for it has alot, and can't really find the most logical moves.
chess is even more famous, there are many international tournements that rewards greatly,
in Russia chess is a subject in school.
yashil17 2 years ago
What proof do you have I'm wrong? None.
oros123456 2 years ago
I've presented plenty of evidence, I compared go playing algorithms from the past to those that are in use now to show that they are getting better, that they are working, and that programmers haven't given up. That is all observable evidence to my claim.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
continuation:
now, in Go:
you capture land and pieces with same pieces being placed in an intersection of lines that are more than the atoms of the Universe, which is quite alot. so how could you have difficult or any strategy in a game like that?
in go (since there are alot of land/intersection of lines) it would take you years to predict just 1 move ahead, so if you would want to do that, you would waste your time and probly predict it wrong(So really no real/difficult strategy)
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yashil17 2 years ago
i have just one question for you:
if the standard go board is18 by 18, and if you can't repeat the same placements/moves then how does go have more placements/moves then the number of atoms in the universe?
yashil17 2 years ago
You can't repeat for the first move. There are things called Ko fights. When I said atoms I probably meant protons. In all: The end game. The Middle game, and The start game contain almost limitless moves. Unless you are in a very tight spot the combination of moves is tremendous. Especially when players can think 100 or 50 moves ahead. 364 (if correct) moves times 364 then times all the games ever played in the world. Equals? Then multiply it by future games.
oros123456 2 years ago
The amount of moves if played 100 million times in the world inclusing past. Would equal to: 3,640,000,000. Three trillion three hundred sixty four million.
oros123456 2 years ago
That equation makes no sense... You are adding up all the moves that have been played and that ever will be played, not all the different moves possible. By your logic, tic tac toe has an infinite number of moves. I mean any given game has roughly 6 moves * all the games of the past * all the future games..... how does that make any sense?
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Chess the simplest game being compared to Go. I never thought I would see the day. I must ask? Are you just starting Go? Because you seem to lack how the game of Go works.
oros123456 2 years ago
The complexity of chess in an entirely different debate... it's irrelevant to what we are talking about. I claimed that go can be simulated on computers based on the fact that there are go algorithms that are already better than the average go player. You can see that year after year (even these past years) the go algorithms are becoming better and computers are becoming better as a result.
I could give you a list of go projects that are still in development so programmers haven't given up.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
how is chess the simplest game compared to go?
i haven't played go yet, but i've heard alot about it, and someone did tell me that this game is more difficult than chess, but that was 14 year old telling me who sucked in chess, begginer.
anyways so can you explain how chess (having thousands of openings, thousands of endgames, and unknown amount of middle-game, and many other variants in them) is "more simple" than go?
yashil17 2 years ago
this game has only to reasons/goals:
capture pieces, and capture land.
in chess that's included also, but there is more variety of moves, the pieces all have different moves, in Go(as far as i know doesn't have different pieces at all, somewhat like checkers) and i read that you've stated that the number of moves in go(not really moves, just the number of lines that intersect) are more than the number of atoms in the universe,
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yashil17 2 years ago
I am a player of both chess and go... which one is more complex depends on your definition of complexity. The rules and tactics of chess are (in my opinion) more complex than go. The long term strategy in go is far more complex than chess however (again my opinion).
ajtaggs 2 years ago 16
Chess is simple. It in a way already gives you hints. In Go you must guess. Chess is a limited game. Limited moves. Limited rules. Even a famous Go player claimed that Go was outside this materialism chess holds. opinions are dust to logic, rational thought, and truth. They are as good as lies when wrong.
oros123456 2 years ago
@ajtaggs
What's your rank in each?
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@ajtaggs
What's your rank in each?
elementc 1 year ago
@ajtaggs sure, 19*19 is a much larger playground, also the rules of killing ones figures and placing them are much wider, so that adds to the complexity too. in chess your moves are very well limited, the reasonable ones are even more... while in go you can put wherever you want (with a few exceptions). and to hit you only have to replace a figure, in go you have to surround it.
kalandozo2 1 year ago
@ajtaggs i'd so love to receive training in Go but...i've never been able to find a partner/teacher =/ it looks fun though, i wonder if people play Go like they play chess? hopes and dreams, foibles and strengths, hates and desires, people's chess play reveals who they REALLY are deep down...moving forward or back, staying put or advancing, anxiously or with confidence, risking or not, believing or not, with bravado or deceit or true genius...i wonder if Go allows for this experience as well?
rofflemows 1 year ago 2
@ajtaggs lol no sorry chess is simple you just gotta think ur moves out clearly GO on the otherhand has multiple things to pay attention to lots of rules and way too many tactics in fact not all of them have been discovered
Xarai 6 months ago
Try googling: 361 points
gocrazy432 2 years ago
Ah this game is amazing ^^. It's so interesting to see there thoughts on situations I would have trouble with =p.
Nice piano music too, did you play the music yourself?
clossius 2 years ago
Yes, amazing game! And glad you like the music. Yes, I'm playing the piano 1 part ( black, Shusaku)- see the 4th title page that comes up on the video.
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haskellsmall 2 years ago
This is awesome, I'm trying to learn how to play go, do you think it's hard to learn?
BlackxEgo1 2 years ago
The rules are so simple and natural you can learn them in 5 minutes, but to even begin to understand the depth of the game takes a lifetime. The game is great fun at any level though, and you'll learn as you go, so go for it!
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haskellsmall 2 years ago
Is it me or does it seem like some of the stones are captured, but not removed?
oros123456 2 years ago
I don't think so, but can you tell me where precisely you mean (time code)?
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haskellsmall 2 years ago
I don't want to bother you but I was looking for this game (PC Version) , sometimes I don't want to play online against other people , so do you have any idea where I can download this game? I was looking everywhere :(
Anakondas1 2 years ago
you can play against other peopel at Yahoo games.
mannotwiththeplan 2 years ago
I know , I was looking for a PC Game , against a computer... like chess pc but go pc game.
as I said sometimes i dont feel like playing other people.
Anakondas1 2 years ago
Google Go++
gocrazy432 2 years ago
or Google usgo computer go and click the first site; the American Go Association has a list of many programs that play go.
gocrazy432 2 years ago
You can find them out there, but unless your playing on a 9X9 board, computers tend to not do so well at go.
Chess is a much easier game to program for since it deals with material gain instead of territory.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Not necessarily. Material superiority does not guarantee that the side with the superiority is better. This is why players sometimes sacrifice the exchange (rook for minor piece) and other such things. Chess is not "only" concerned with material.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago
I know it is not only a material gain that wins, but the algorithms written for chess are heavy on material gain.
Other factors such as pawn structure, king exposure, and move availability also play roles. But material gain is the biggest deciding factor for a computer.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Why did you put the word only in quotes... I never said that.
ajtaggs 2 years ago
Fair enough, sorry. But yeah, computers have had to evolve because when they relied on material they were soundly beaten.
youvebeenthunderstru 2 years ago
To learn Go, there's a method: try on a very small board 7x7 or even 5x5... with the rule "first who take 3 stones win". After a few games, you'll discover that some stones cannot be captured (groups with 2 eyes...).
After that, you'll be able to play go. :)
Chlapichlapo 2 years ago
I've set up go lessons for begginers. Feel free to check them out. =) (In my video's)
Clossius
clossius 2 years ago
It is a anime about this game, "Hikaru no Go"
Thanks! :D
Makesin1 2 years ago
To all of you who have posted such positve comments, thank you!
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haskellsmall 2 years ago
As an Artis