If you are putting your hands in my pocket to keep your comatose relative existing by keeping them on a ventilator, dialysis and periodic EEGs to convince you they are barely described as living , It is the business and taxes of all society.USA is the only country that does this level of futile care.
Let's get over it? Well. I hope it's not your mom who goes before that panel. You better be well connected if you want a chance to save her. News flash: 99.99+% of us are not well connected.
I would love to see the healthcare paradigm shift. I don't know how it could be done but if everyone felt it was important to use their body as a tool and bike or walk when possible, to do some gardening we would be much better off. I worked in the industry and had a person say they had to choose between buying drugs and driving, they couldn't afford both. They started walking to work and with-in 2 months were off 9/12 prescriptions. By the end of the 3 they were down to 1.
I am suprised to see such a frank discussion on the subject. I am only for informing people what the cost involved of life extending care. I am not talking financial I am talking the pain the reduced quality of life. the chances of success. That is all that is required from the doctors and patients.
So far, in this health care debate we've only really heard 2 sides of the triangle. We hear about patients affording care, and we hear about insurance companies lowering/raising costs. The major issue that hasn't really been discussed at all is how we price out the costs for medical care. How are they derived? Who chooses how much they will cost and what criteria do they use? In my opinion, until we can reform this part of our healthcare delivery, we'll never really reform healthcare.
State sponsored doctor assisted euthanasia? Is where for the sake of expediency and bed space a patient not feasible of recovery is terminated. Or worse, a clerical error. (Don't think it doesn't happen). Hospitals are confusing places, especially for the staff.
We don't have to agree as a society. End of life is not a society's decision; it's an individual's decision, a very private decision. This discussion is moot, hopefully.
@BigPurple121 In a pefect world your idea would be correct...However, in a world with limited resources this is a very vital discussion we must have. I watched the entire debate & it was basically common sense vs religion. One side was making valid points with possible solutions while the other side sounded like a Tea Bagger convention.
We either have sound discussion about this or we allow only a certain group of people all the resources while the rest go without.
Limited resources? Wealth is dynamic. It is imperative that you understand that fact. Your view of the economy is seriously flawed if you aren't aware that economies grow
Who cares if, today, one group gets slightly better treatment than another if, in 2 years, that procedure becomes commonplace and widely available?
Free markets, unguided, have been proven to grow faster than any other system. Controlling the health-care market slows treatment development and thus kills people
Wow, that's quite a statement. Is your definition of 'free' 'anarchy'? Because that's not my definition of free. By definition, if people are allowed to steal from others without repercussion, slavery, then that is not a free economy.
A free economy uses government for the limited purpose of ensuring rights and a few necessary evils, things for which it is of no benefit for any one man to perform on his own -- IE military, roads, sewer systems, etc.
@BigPurple121 Did I say the "economy" has limited resouces or did I say there are limited resources within the Health Care Industry/ You have a very flawed or naive view of the issue! I am a very strong advocate of free markets but profiting off the health of our citizens is disgusting! However, it is the system we have so it needs RESPONSIBLE REGULATION! If you still hold the failed idea that markets regulate themselves then that simply confirms my earlier statement that you are NAIVE!
@BigPurple121 Again, to be very clear...If you honestly think there unlimited resources within the health Care Industry then you are very naive! It is time to turn off talk radio & FOX News and learn some real facts about how capitalism works and why it needs responsible regulation and responsible social programs to keep it running for the better of society! Even Adam Smith the founder of modern day Capitalist thinking understoof this very important fact!
Please cite where Smith proposes market regulation.
Healthcare is an economy; therefore it is dynamic and unlimited.
Dialysis is a good example of your flawed logic. For the first few years, the use of this machine was decided by a panel. Wealth wasn't considered & the # of machines stayed below 100. When that stopped, it became profitable to make dialysis machines. Today, dialysis machines are almost unlimited thanks to resources being distributed based on wealth not need.
@BigPurple121 Like I said, you are very NAIVE! Obviously you have never read The wealth of Nations or you would know what Smith intended, what he liked and what he hated and warned would break down the system...Smith wanted business to be done by folks who had a personal interest in the company they ran (i.e., Their MONEY) . Smith would SPIT on our idea of Corporate run Capitalism. Dude your "dialysis machines" example PROVES just how naive you are!
I asked you to cite what he wrote so you'd see your misinterpretation. His idea of market regulation is not equal to your idea of redistribution
Feel free to explain your assertion that my dialysis interpretation is 'naive.' While your at it, explain how your idea of a fixed health-care economy interprets the explosion of pharmaceuticals, widespread use of bypass surgery, or any of one of the once rare medical treatments that are now common.
If you are putting your hands in my pocket to keep your comatose relative existing by keeping them on a ventilator, dialysis and periodic EEGs to convince you they are barely described as living , It is the business and taxes of all society.USA is the only country that does this level of futile care.
1swordpen 8 months ago
Let's get over it? Well. I hope it's not your mom who goes before that panel. You better be well connected if you want a chance to save her. News flash: 99.99+% of us are not well connected.
GBS990 1 year ago
I thought this was an actual discussion. Then I watched and realized they were comedians. No real answers here.
HanshiRonin67 1 year ago
I would love to see the healthcare paradigm shift. I don't know how it could be done but if everyone felt it was important to use their body as a tool and bike or walk when possible, to do some gardening we would be much better off. I worked in the industry and had a person say they had to choose between buying drugs and driving, they couldn't afford both. They started walking to work and with-in 2 months were off 9/12 prescriptions. By the end of the 3 they were down to 1.
MichaelnChristine 1 year ago
I am suprised to see such a frank discussion on the subject. I am only for informing people what the cost involved of life extending care. I am not talking financial I am talking the pain the reduced quality of life. the chances of success. That is all that is required from the doctors and patients.
tubbymanbat 1 year ago
So far, in this health care debate we've only really heard 2 sides of the triangle. We hear about patients affording care, and we hear about insurance companies lowering/raising costs. The major issue that hasn't really been discussed at all is how we price out the costs for medical care. How are they derived? Who chooses how much they will cost and what criteria do they use? In my opinion, until we can reform this part of our healthcare delivery, we'll never really reform healthcare.
scbluesman13 1 year ago
Too much emotional bullshit going on in today's system. Medical care is a science; treat it like one. Be rational.
Phelan666 1 year ago
State sponsored doctor assisted euthanasia? Is where for the sake of expediency and bed space a patient not feasible of recovery is terminated. Or worse, a clerical error. (Don't think it doesn't happen). Hospitals are confusing places, especially for the staff.
empacae 1 year ago
I agree, get more rational.
Ronc303c 1 year ago
We don't have to agree as a society. End of life is not a society's decision; it's an individual's decision, a very private decision. This discussion is moot, hopefully.
BigPurple121 1 year ago 11
@BigPurple121 In a pefect world your idea would be correct...However, in a world with limited resources this is a very vital discussion we must have. I watched the entire debate & it was basically common sense vs religion. One side was making valid points with possible solutions while the other side sounded like a Tea Bagger convention.
We either have sound discussion about this or we allow only a certain group of people all the resources while the rest go without.
Viracocha711 1 year ago
@Viracocha711
Limited resources? Wealth is dynamic. It is imperative that you understand that fact. Your view of the economy is seriously flawed if you aren't aware that economies grow
Who cares if, today, one group gets slightly better treatment than another if, in 2 years, that procedure becomes commonplace and widely available?
Free markets, unguided, have been proven to grow faster than any other system. Controlling the health-care market slows treatment development and thus kills people
BigPurple121 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 A truly free economy will resort to slave labor at the drop of a hat.
Phelan666 1 year ago
@Phelan666
Wow, that's quite a statement. Is your definition of 'free' 'anarchy'? Because that's not my definition of free. By definition, if people are allowed to steal from others without repercussion, slavery, then that is not a free economy.
A free economy uses government for the limited purpose of ensuring rights and a few necessary evils, things for which it is of no benefit for any one man to perform on his own -- IE military, roads, sewer systems, etc.
BigPurple121 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 Did I say the "economy" has limited resouces or did I say there are limited resources within the Health Care Industry/ You have a very flawed or naive view of the issue! I am a very strong advocate of free markets but profiting off the health of our citizens is disgusting! However, it is the system we have so it needs RESPONSIBLE REGULATION! If you still hold the failed idea that markets regulate themselves then that simply confirms my earlier statement that you are NAIVE!
Viracocha711 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 Again, to be very clear...If you honestly think there unlimited resources within the health Care Industry then you are very naive! It is time to turn off talk radio & FOX News and learn some real facts about how capitalism works and why it needs responsible regulation and responsible social programs to keep it running for the better of society! Even Adam Smith the founder of modern day Capitalist thinking understoof this very important fact!
Viracocha711 1 year ago
Please cite where Smith proposes market regulation.
Healthcare is an economy; therefore it is dynamic and unlimited.
Dialysis is a good example of your flawed logic. For the first few years, the use of this machine was decided by a panel. Wealth wasn't considered & the # of machines stayed below 100. When that stopped, it became profitable to make dialysis machines. Today, dialysis machines are almost unlimited thanks to resources being distributed based on wealth not need.
BigPurple121 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 Like I said, you are very NAIVE! Obviously you have never read The wealth of Nations or you would know what Smith intended, what he liked and what he hated and warned would break down the system...Smith wanted business to be done by folks who had a personal interest in the company they ran (i.e., Their MONEY) . Smith would SPIT on our idea of Corporate run Capitalism. Dude your "dialysis machines" example PROVES just how naive you are!
Viracocha711 1 year ago
@Viracocha711
I asked you to cite what he wrote so you'd see your misinterpretation. His idea of market regulation is not equal to your idea of redistribution
Feel free to explain your assertion that my dialysis interpretation is 'naive.' While your at it, explain how your idea of a fixed health-care economy interprets the explosion of pharmaceuticals, widespread use of bypass surgery, or any of one of the once rare medical treatments that are now common.
BigPurple121 1 year ago
@BigPurple121 , kudos to U for many well stated points. tx
l8rthen 1 year ago
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@BigPurple121 , kudos to U for many well stated points. tx
l8rthen 1 year ago
and then you have the Republicans that just say NO.
ndyt 1 year ago
@ndyt Hey, blame Crime Dog McGruff. He indoctrinated our kids to think "Just say no TO MOTHERFUCKING EVERYTHING D:<".
Phelan666 1 year ago
He's an idiot... we know we're going to die.. what does he think hospices are for?
onepcwhiz 1 year ago
Que-Tip - $9.99
Diaper - $39.99
Extra day in hospital stay - $1,700.00
Oh yes... You should see the rip offs going on.
truvelocity 1 year ago 7