Maher, man of hate. He would murder anyone in a religion if he could. He is trying to get other people to do his killing by telling everyone how bad it is to believe in God.
Religion can take any shape or form at the end of the day humans are to be held personally responsible for their actions.If an animal hunts down it's prey is it political,religion,no its not it is and always for it's survival.Likewise humans do the same but in our case we know it's not politcal or religious but rather our on selfishness...wicked human heart...Stop Blaming religion and politics for our own character flaws....
i wrote a song predicting the OWS dingbats a year before it happened!!! check it out on my channel.. LIBERALS ARE SO DAMN PREDICTABLE!!! and annoying!!! its called appropriately "OWS the song that saw it coming" (the end game)
Mao Zedong had hair. Joseph Stalin had hair. HITLER had hair. All mass murderers, all possessors of the evil strands of dead cells. Is this coincidence? I think NOT!!
@mentalphysicalism Thats correct. Quite often religious people say that communist dictators were atheists. But they fail to see that a political ideology has more in common with religion: it has a personality cult, doctrines, and demands submission or be punished. The only reason these leaders don't allow religion, is the very same reason the Christians have the First Commandment. Just look at North Korea, Kim Il Sung is their Jesus, Juche their Bible.
@Helleu1 You have it exactly right. The problem with Communism as practiced in the Soviet Union under Stalin, China under Mao, and Cambodia under Pol Pott, and North Korea, is not that they were atheist, their problem is that they were all too much like a religion--Communism became their religion.
Bill Loves Israel though and the idea of being one of Gods Chosen people, but Jesus came and pulled off the sheeps clothing exposing the wolf that the Jews worship Satanas Adversary Humanity the Unshakable race
The Crusades were neo JewDago Crosstians they were Jew conforming Pagans Get real. Stalin was influenced by the Bolshevik Jews Same kind of people that destroyed Germany and gave Hitler power to rid the problem then he decide ridding Europe of the Zionist Banking Barons Rothschild the owners of the EU
Prime example Protocols of Zion Jews have always and still hate Christ because he exposed their true god of material and hatred for mankind AKA Satanas.
They have pirated Christians beliefs to conform to Judaism now they will take even the Idea of Heaven and God from you reducing you to soulless animals as they have always seen the Goyim to enjoy servitude to the upcoming Israeli empire that awaits unveiling on all the Nations as Soon As they find their 1st coming of the New King of Israel
Oh, now I see -- she's that stupid fucking bitch trash from Fox Puke. NOTHING UGLIER than a woman from Fox Puke. She's a liar and a hypocrite, and a general dumb cunt too.
Who's the dumb cunt blathering on about atheism and communism as if they're even remotely the same thing??? Is that Christine or god fucking forbid Coulter?? Who cares, actually, maybe she'll be retro-aborted for polluting the planet with the diarrhea coming out of her mouth.
SO DEAD ON. Christians are actually the most violent terrorists in history as far as I can tell -- the American Taliban. I'll stop using that term when American right-wing nuts stop shitting out idiocy constantly.
@jdarrah17 .... "Christians are actually the most violent terrorists in history as far as I can tell"
Nero killed Christians by the 1000's and BLAMED them for the fire that burned much of Rome. God's INFALLIBLE WORD tells us that those days will return. With people like you...it will happen sooner than later. Your hatred and rage is SIN. You can not control it nor can you remove it from your life. If it has not already consumed you...it will eventually.
@bornagain001 See, therein lies the problem -- there is NO PROOF of "god's infallible word, not even proof of a god to be begin with. I don't have any hatred or rage -- except toward lying hypocrite religious assholes. Not all religious people are assholes, but much more than half of them sure seem to be. THOSE are the "sinners" dude, and you sound like you have WAY more hatred and rage than I do, that's for damn sure. "Infallible word" -- that just cracks me up.
@jdarrah17 ..."The way of a FOOL is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise." Proverbs 12:15
People who search for GOLD, do not sit around and wait for the GOLD to make itself known. They have to search for it. Same with God. If you want to FIND GOD, He will reveal Himself to you when YOU BEGIN THE SEARCH. Jeremiah 29:13
@bornagain001 Okay, first off, I don't want to find god, just don't care, not remotely interested in finding god. Second, the quotes from the bible will never sway me -- take a history of Christianity class and you'll learn exactly why.
@jdarrah17 ...CORRECT. You like the life that YOUR SIN delivers to you. Whether it is homosexuality or fornication or adultery or drugs or alcohol or gambling....it's what YOU DESIRE...not what God desires and you are not willing to part with it. The is the problem with AMERICA. We are all SELF CENTERED AND PRIDEFUL.
@bornagain001 -- Any pride I may or may not have has ZERO to do with the fact that I do not believe in your "god." See, this is why religious zealots cannot be reasoned with -- you respond with irrelevant shit when you don't have a real answer. As for the rest of this reply, again, it contains completely irrelevant, not to mention completely inaccurate info in it. Face it -- there is no PROOF of any god. That's that! If you still want to believe in your god, that's fine too.
@bornagain001 AND, as RedPaganPunk says below, I love how some Christians are quick to blame any bad actions on OTHER people's religion if they're Atheist, Muslim, etc. but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their "god" than anyone else. YOU need to take a history class, bornagain001. Until then please spare us your religious predictions and delusions.
@jdarrah17 ...".but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their "god" than anyone else. "
@bornagain001 -- Actually, this was a quote from another commenter below named RedPaganPunk, and I happen to agree with what he/she is saying.
Don't play the ridiculous, pathetic game of "which Christians." That is such a retard response from you on this that I'm not even gonna bother to go any further on it.
@bornagain001 - Crack open a book. Take a history of Christianity class. Replay this Bill Maher video. He lists quite a few. I'm done with your ridiculousness. It's fucking 8 hours later and you're still asking stupid questions. Go research it yourself like the rest of us did!!!!
I love how some Christians are quick to blame any bad actions on people's religion if they're Atheist, Muslim, etc. but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their God than anyone else.
And oh, yeah, don't forget that if they killed people "They're not true Christians." Lol. You just eliminated the Catholic Church -as an organization- from Christianity.
@RedPaganPunk No doubt, you're totally correct -- but then I have yet to meet a "christian" who's not a hypcrite too, so it should be no surprise! :-}
Maher had NO CLUE when he claimed thos guy was a Christian terrorist just as he has no clue today. There has been NO indictaion by the investigators that this guy was even a Christian. He was just a dude that hated to see what the invasion of muslims had done to his country and took measures into his own hands. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.
@bornagain001 As I remember it, Breivik considered himself a "cultural Christian"--i.e., he believed that Europe's character was distinctly shaped by Christianity, and that the increasingly large waves of immigrants--especially from non-Christian religions--were threatening Europe's identity. So I agree, he probably wasn't a practicing Christian who believed in the divinity of Christ, and partook in the rituals, etc., but he did identify culturally with it. Whoever that woman was on this panel,
@bornagain001 I want to say, was a complete moron for saying that atheism caused more deaths in the 20th century than religious zealots, by pointing to Stalin's purges and Mao's Great Leap Forward. She is confusing--either by ignorance of malice--the motivation of those political ideologies with a facet of them. Soviet Socialism or Chinese Communism killed all those people--even that is a facile explanation, though, but she seems to believe it's that simple--which happened to be atheistic,
alspageddi ...we are all very aware that HITLER did not kill 6 million Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals himself. Just as we are aware that Pol Pot and Mao did not kill millions themselves. It WAS HOWEVER...the fact that they had no fear of God as Judge, that their actions came about. Our prisons are full or murderers and rapists who have NO FEAR of God because most do not believe in God....which is why they are there.
@bornagain001 Nonsense. First off, you are saying things without doing any research. The number of believers in prisons for violent crime far exceeds the number of atheists. Go to Google and look for the Federal Bureau of Prisons' 1997 report on religious affiliation in prisons; less than 0.25% of inmates were prisoners. And considering that atheists make up far more than 0.25% of the US population, they are much more well-behaved than Christians, statistically speaking, even controlling for
@alspageddi ... "Go to Google and look for the Federal Bureau of Prisons' 1997 report on religious affiliation in prisons; less than 0.25% of inmates were prisoners."
I did what you ask....there is NO information in this report concerning religious affiliations. Were you making this up? Does this make you a LIAR?
@bornagain001 Do you know how to use Google? Type in "federal bureau prisoner religion." Here, I'll do it. Here's one of many, many websites that have the results: holysmoke(dot)org/icr-pri.htm
@alspageddi ....HOLY SMOKE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON for the Federal Bureau of Prison nor it is a reputable website for information. As a matter of fact.....the idiot that runs that website knows even less than you do. PLEASE....try to find me something OFFICIAL to back up your BOGUS CLAIMS.
@bornagain001 Ha, don't give me that "so and so was a tax collector, or a physician" nonsense; you are quoting a work of fiction. Why should I believe it? You are being circular. How can you try and
@bornagain001 prove something to me using the Bible when there is no evidence the Bible is full of anything but fabrications? Prove to me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John existed--not using the Bible
My purpose here is NOT to prove anything you but to tell you about the Gospel, the good news from God because one day in your life you may turn to Him. Explaining God to you is the same as explaining light to a person born blind or to describe the taste of chocolate to one who has never tasted. You have been born blind - spiritually and morally. It’s impossible for you to comprehend or even imagine God, heaven or hell. Your brain cannot compute this information so it rejects it.
@bornagain001 population. However, even though you're wrong, even if there were more atheists in prison, it wouldn't mean a thing, because there are no studies that I'm aware of that poll the religious affiliation of criminals before they get to prison. So you're bringing up a meaningless point. And unfortunately you didn't grasp my point in my initial response to you re: the motivation between the USSR/PRC/Khmer Rouge atrocities. If you want to pin their actions of their disbelief in a God,
@bornagain001 what do you say about the Muslim terrorists who kill innocent people in the name of God? They aren't atheists--they kill because of their belief in God. How about the Crusades? How about the Catholics vs. the Huguenots in France? The Thirty Years War? How about the Spanish Inquisition? How about the Taiping Revolution? That one alone resulted in 20 million dead, and was because of religion. Do you see how ridiculous your argument is that atheism is more dangerous than theism?
@alspageddi ...Satan can not convince everyone as easily as he has you that ....there is no God. So his next best solution is to flood the world with as many FALSE RELIGIONS, FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS as posssible to bring deception into their life. ISLAM is the greatest of all FALSE RELIGIONS. This is why you find so many MUSLIMS willing to kill for God. They have been DECIEVED just as you have.
@bornagain001 Who are you to say Islam is wrong, and your religion is right? How the hell do you know? Do you believe you are better than other people? If you were born in Saudi Arabia, you'd be a
@alspageddi ...certainly not me. But since CHRIST tells us HE IS THE ONLY WAY ...then that makes ISLAM a FALSE RELIGION and it's leaders...FALSE PROPHETS. ....and NO..I am not better than anyone else...just SAVED.
@bornagain001 Muslim; born in India, a Hindu; in America, ~75% or so chance of being a Christian. You have been deceived by lies written down by ignorant desert people 2,000 years ago. This type of
@alspageddi ...."You have been deceived by lies written down by ignorant desert people 2,000 years ago."
Which desert people are you referring to? PAUL? He worked for the GOVERNMENT rounding up Christians for persecution. LUKE? He was a Physician. PETER? He was a Fisherman...not much desert in the ocean. MATTHEW? Also a government employee working as a Tax Collector? Solomon and David were both Kings. Help me out here.
@alspageddi ...I know many people in my own church who are from India, Pakistan and Malaysia...who are not Muslims....but are Christians. There are Jews who are Christians and there are Chinese who are Christians. There are also MANY Americans who CLAIM to be Christians ....WHO ARE NOT. You and I refer to these people as HYPOCRITES.
@bornagain001 ignorance is unforgivable in the 21st century. Christian or Muslim, it doesn't matter; you're all hiding behind fairy tales, and using them as justifications for your sectarian slaughter
@bornagain001 By what authority do you know that the more than 1 billion Muslims did not speak with God this morning, and that he didn't tell them they were right and you were wrong?
@bornagain001 Stalin had millions killed because (a) he was a controlling dictator who was paranoid of losing power, and (b) he enacted terrible agricultural policies. The same goes for Mao. Their atheism was not the driving force behind their mania; it was their own psychological disorders. Do you honestly believe that all evil people are atheists? If so, you're incredibly ignorant. I've never been arrested, I've spent countless hours volunteering at a health clinic for the poor, I donate what
@bornagain001 little money I have to a Catholic charity, I'm polite to people; and guess what? I don't believe in a god. And do you know how many terrible murderers, rapists, robbers, thieves, liars, etc. do believe in god, and even go to church/synagogue/mosque? Think about that. There are plenty of good believes, and plenty of good non-believers. Stop trying to separate "good" and "bad" into religious groups; it's facile.
@alspageddi ...you seemed to be confused. BELIEVING IN GOD does not make one a Christian any more than believeing in medicine makes one a doctor. However...someone who claims to believe in God and understand that God will hold us all accountable...would have to be a total FOOL to murder someone.
@bornagain001 You're a dumbshit of mindblowing magnitude. Requiring the "fear of god" is a CRUTCH because you can't control your own fucking morals and ethics. LOSER.
@bornagain001 As for the crazy guy Breivik -- it IS actually TRUE that he considered himself a "cultural Christian." He believed that Europe's character was distinctly shaped by Christianity. Smoke that.
You don't see Christians mongering hate and teaching amorality to the world comfortably from behind a desk all in the name of Illuminati. Atheists are the real terrorists.
Bill Maher, the resident fucktard for the commie propoganda machine up to his usual BS (Barry Soerto) tactics. This guys agenda centers on destruction of Constitutionally protected liberties that are rooted in DIVINE rights that we all enjoy. That all men are Created by God; that our rights are inalienable (non revocable by mortal men) is what this huckster is attempting to undo, and it appears he's got plenty of company out there willing to be manipulated by his BS antics. Maher hates America !
Definition and terminology is very important,one must understand what is religiously done and what has a spiritual connection,certain groups of birds could be considered religious, they fly north in summer and south in the winter and they do it religiously,but when one connect a deity to their beliefs then it becomes a spiritual act,but the key word is spi-( ritual ) rather or not there is any truth or not in either one of them remains a debate.
Enforced folly may be the worst (& most ecumenical) religious terrorism.
There is more than one verse in the Bible that says God humbles the wise & exalts the simple-minded - & that sentiment recurs in many religions. Stupidity is the oxygen of a successful con-game, & for a long con to pay off that stupidity must be enforced. Religions have cultural cachet that the Tooth Fairy does not for this very reason - there's just too much money & power riding on people agreeing to pretend that 2+2=9.
Written into every organized religion on the planet is the idea of "We're right, they're heretics who deserve to die." Its in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah on the mouth of religious leaders the world over you can't deny it or escape it. As long as religions refuse to accept the idea they could be wrong or that ideas should be shared we're going to have batshit crazy murderers flocking to its side.
@Interceptor810 ,There is a secret crime that is perpetrated by religious groups who has alliance with firemen, police, etc called "Gang-Stalking" , it is similar to "Cointelpro", its designed to destroy, vilify and harass someone to death, because of their religious views, national origin and sexual orientation.
The republican congress has a 10 percent aproval rating because of the sick demented tea party! The tea party are a bunch of demented crazy bat shit bastards who think taxes are a sin which is wrong! Low taxes are good and not just cutting spending!
John Maher was wrong about the KKK, The Klan was the militant wing of the Democratic party following the Civil War and had little to no ties with the Church.
@Terastas Once again a comment went straight over your head. "atheism is the answer to a question" Not "thee answer" you half wit. You know that if you bother to look in a dictionary. But I think you are some what retarded, so expect another reply.
@TPHxJustice depends on the type of atheism you're talking about. in the east (asia for example) the justification of atheism is "meh." here in the west, we tend to attack all of the abrahamic religions surrounding us thinking that by doing this religiously they will come to their senses.
Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
The same dictionary religious nuts refer to to describe marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Hypocrisy plain and simple, it's one or the other, choose.
@Terastas Haha you're just making yourself look dumb you know? I made not a single condescending remark, and never once claimed my belief was better than yours. But that's typical for arrogant, ignorant people isn't it?
You're wrong, plain and simple. Have a good day!!
"But that's typical for arrogant, ignorant people isn't it?"
See what you just did there? Right after claiming you were never condescending and never claimed your belief was better, you went and did exactly that.
See? Being an atheist doesn't automatically make you above the same kind of juvenile bullshit that any other religion is subject to.
And the ultimate irony is that I'm not even religious. So apparently I'm guilty for being a non-Atheist too.
@Terastas I really didn't but I guess you really don't like definitions. You dug your own hole in that regard, I let you do the work. I also never said it made you "above" some other religion, simply that it's NOT a religion, stop dancing around the actual argument.
Ha that really is funny that you're not religious because I'm not even an atheist haha
I only don't like definitions when they're wrong, especially when they're deliberately wrong for the purpose of supporting a selfish and baseless point. You dumbed down the definition of religion to solely that of believing in God. And if you believe that load of bull, I guess you don't think Shinto, Zen or Scientology count as religions.
And you accuse ME of dancing around the actual argument. You haven't even addressed the point she made in the audio yet.
@Terastas Ha well I don't know enough about Zen or Shinto, but Scientology isn't a religion. Yes people can treat things religiously, but that doesn't make them religions. People treat money as god, but loving money and pretty much praising it doesn't make it religion.
back to the Scientology thing, no it's not a religion, it's a freakin business ponzi scheme. Calling Scientology a religion and L. Ron Hubbard a prophet is like saying Bernie Madoff was a prophet.
Not that I don't disagree with you about $cientology, but I know other people would. And not every scheme is a Ponzi scheme. Stop trying to destroy the meaning of words all the time.
Point still stands that your "definition" was crap. Religion in practice is the attempt to provide answers for unanswerable questions, so as soon as you (and Bill) said you had the answers and everyone else was wrong, you became no better than the rest of them.
She called it. Bill Maher can't accept the fact that Atheism counts as a religion. He's a smart guy, but for a guy that loves to shit all over every religion on the planet, he certainly has a problem with anyone questioning what he believes.
For such an otherwise wise and intelligent person, it's amazing how much of a child Bill can be sometimes.
@Terastas It's so not the same thing. Christians and others believe in things like god and Adam and Eve etc. Things that have not been proven to be factual. Atheists believe in nothing! Lol, that's the big difference. Unlike you guys we are open to facts, but otherwise we don't believe in anything. So has is that a religion??
Bullshit. Don't get "don't believe in anything" confused with "believe in nothing." By constantly trying to pin the blame solely on religion, Maher just proved their point: Atheism is just as much a religion, and just as susceptible to abuse, as all the other religions he lives to bash.
Maher might as well have just come out and said "You're allowed to bash every religion except for my own on this show." At least then he could have claimed to be honest with his bullshit.
@Terastas You still haven't proved how atheism is a religion. Last time i checked, most religions believe in some type of god. Atheists on the other hand...DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING!!! So how exactly is it a religion again..??
What do Zen, Taoism, Shinto, Scientology and Rastafarianism have in common? They are all religions WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF GOD!!!
Atheism is not a lack of belief. It's a belief in nothing. It is the outright denial of any form of spiritualism of any kind, not strictly the presence of an almighty figurehead.
And denying the existence of everything just because you can't see it requires just as much pigheadedness as believing in an almighty overseer. That's why it counts.
No. Atheism is the belief in nothing. It's the belief -- the FAITH -- that there is absolutely nothing spiritual or supernatural and that anyone who feels otherwise is dead fucking wrong.
So yes, Atheism is a religion, and it's just as susceptible to abuse as Christianity or Islam. So get the fuck off of your "my religion is better than your religion" high horse and shut the fuck up about it.
You can't say Atheism is, and then in cert your own interpretation that derails off the definition.
First off, Atheism isn't a belief it's an answer to a question. What an Atheist believes in falls under an ideology which as yet to be stated.
Example: If i say to you that you believe that you'll get 72 virgins when you die, because you are a Theist. Doesn't make since does it? You are a Theist, but what your ideology has not yet been stated.
"First off, Atheism isn't a belief it's an answer to a question."
Religion's purpose is to provide answers to unanswerable questions. So by claiming that Atheism is an answer, you've proven my point: Atheism is a religion.
And who the fuck said I was a theist? I don't believe in God; I just don't disbelieve in it either. I'm an agnostic; my answer to the God question is "I don't know."
Thank you, once again, for proving that Atheists can be just as bad as the rest.
How soon we forget, we as a country are so quick to use the term terrorism when just in what is considered resent history the worlds biggest terrorist was right here in the good ole u.s.a,when blacks were beaten, women raped right in front of there man and children, little boys castrated,burned,hanged from trees worked from sun up to sun down for no pay at all,and out of fear you dear not say a word for fear of your life or those you loved,if the bible is true,so a man sow ,he reaps.
@Daeora To be specific, to name just a few (Emmett till) Dr. king and many of his followers were beaten, simply because they wish to be treated human,and these are just the tip of the iceberg ,,just look at the tactics used to intimidate those who dare to buck the system of those who considered themselves to be the superior race,they hang them,beat them,set homes on fire jailed them and on and on,if this is not terrorism then there is not a definition for terrorism(.they struck fear in people.)
Opinion: Hitler does not represent true Catholicism.
And, if you believe in Jesus, you are Christian. There is this new movement to disassociate "Jesus" from "Christianity" - which is just a new trick to market the religion of Jesus. Don't fall for it.
@greenjelly01 No I have to agree with him actually. He brings up a lot of good points I think are being ignored. I am an atheist and I know full well that atheists try to pin Hitler on Christianity, I think it is a cheap shot. You can be a deist and not be religious, look at Thomas Jefferson and some of the founding fathers of the United States. They were not religious, yet they believed in a God. Hitler does believe in God, but does that make him religious?
@brittneybirdy Even if Hitler was lying, he was able to use Christianity to his advantage, and rally people based on the teachings of Christianity and the inherent antisemitism in Christianity. You can rally people on a atheistic message too, but there is no inherent atheistic ideology which you can use to commit atrocities. The bible orders genocide explicitly, and a man can lie and tell that God wants him to kill Jews and people will believe and follow it. That is the problem.
@greenjelly01 Ok I see where you are coming from, but still, ryzombie brought up a lot of good points about Hitler that you and others completely ignored. I think that was wrong of you. For example, when I read what ryzombie is saying I get the impression that he means Hitler was a deist, not a Christian and I agree. Hitler in his own personal beliefs was not someone who followed the Christian doctrine like a religious person does. Ryzombie is right when he says Hitler was not supportive of
@greenjelly01 religion and felt it did interfere in the duties of the state. To Hitler, the state of Germany was much more important than anything religious, that is what fascism is, total dedication to the state in a nationalistic way. Nazism is what made it a racist form of fascism. How do you determine if someone is religious or not is hard, but think of it this way: if someone is truly a Christian and believes in their bible, they are religious, if someone believes in God they are a deist
@greenjelly01 Hitler can believe in God and even Jesus to a degree, but not be a religious person. When you are religious you believe in your religion and the doctrines that go with it, and you participate and are a member of a religion or a church, that is religion, otherwise there wouldn't really be a difference between spirituality and religion and there is a difference. Hitler even stated, and this is true, in Mein Kampf that his hatred for the Jews was not from religious reasons
@greenjelly01 if so, targeting non-religious Jews wouldn't have been as important, yet it was just as important. It didn't matter if you were a religious Jew or not. So do I think Hitler believed in God? Yes. Do I think he was religious? No, because he constantly talked about religion in a degrading way, he never participated in any religious activities (church, bible, prayer, etc), and allowed many things to happen that a Christian would be against (occult, atheist members, social darwinism)
@greenjelly01 Hitler didn't believe in things like "love your neighbor," or "the meek shall inherit the earth," things like that, Hitler was a social darwinist who believed the strongest will survive, he even said this when Germany was collapsing under the Soviet Union, he said Germany was unfit to be a world power and the job should go to the USSR because they had proven their worth. He didn't believe in a lot of things that Christians believe in so I have to say he was not Christian.
@greenjelly01 And yes Hitler used religion to appeal to the masses, but so what? Every president this country has had does that, leaders throughout history have tried to appeal to masses in order to get support, even if they don't agree with it. How many times do you go to a rock show, and you could be in some small town like Scranton, yet the band still says your town is the loudest and craziest audience so far right? Do they mean it? No way, lol, they say it at every town. They are appealing
@greenjelly01 to the crowd so they will continue to sell albums and tickets. If they came out and said, you guys are a lame crowd, people would boo, just like Hitler. If he came out and said what he said in private about Christianity, a lot of followers would have left him. I am not defending religions, btw, I think it does more harm than good and that it's a cause for violence and always has been, however, I think it is unfair to call Hitler a Christian when he really was not.
@greenjelly01 and with regards to the pope and all that, those are different denominations that quarrel with one another. I have friends whose family are non denomination protestants, yet they say the pope is a false prophet or that he is wrong about this and that, that doesn't mean they don't think he is a Christian, he clearly is, he is the pope lol. Protestants and Catholics just don't see eye to eye, so yeah, they will slander one another. Yet they are both Christians
@greenjelly01 I don't think so because he did express that he was anti-religious. I agree you can't just look at what you want to believe, you need to look at what is there. I don't agree with everything he is saying but I think that he brings up points that are being ignored, for example, Hitler really was not easy to categorize. Hitler claimed to be catholic because it was convenient for him.I found an interesting article that some of you should read, including ryzombie.
@brittneybirdy@brittneybirdy The problem is how do you determine if someone is Christian or not? some baptists will say that the Pope is not Christian enough. Do you stone your child when he misbehaves? If you don't you are not a bible abiding Christian.
Anyone who follows the doctrine of a particular ideology purely on faith is religious, whether you like to call it that or not. The way forward for humanity is through rational discussion. No religion offers that.
@greenjelly01 go to google and type in was Hitler Christian and go to the STraight Dope one, very interesting comments and it shows Hitler's contradictions. Hitler was certainly trying to rally support from the Christians by appearing to be one, but that is because Germany was predominantly religion\us at the time, so it would be smart to appear as one, but doesn't mean he was one. He certainly didn't act like one.
If you cared to simply learn about the man, you would find his religion out quite easily, there are hundreds of books about Hitler. May i suggest you read at least one of them.
Facts are not opinion based, reality doesn't change from person to person. If you choose to be deluded then your more than free to do so but there is only one truth. I feel like i'm debating with a "flat-earther". It is just ridiculous to ask for a example when you can easily find it out. you are on the internet afterall
@rustedromeo we are just going to have to disagree ok? I have read a lot on him, but you don't seem to get that. Hitler is not someone you can just explain in one sentence, he was a conflicted man. He believed in many things that kind of contradicted each other. He was not atheist yet he was not a religious man.
Sounds like someone needs to get a education. But hey don't like stop you from having a strong opinion on the subject. It amazes me that people think you can change reality by thinking it was a certain way really really hard. No wonder religion still lingers.
@rustedromeo how the hell can you tell ME that I need an education when you are the one who has no idea what people in history believed???? I have received a masters degree in history from UCLA don't tell me that I need an education when my whole has been one of education. Ok, let's clear this up because you seriously have no clue of what you are saying. Ok, was Hitler a Christian? Well if you mean did he come a from a Christian background, was he familiar with God, Jesus and the Bible? Then yes
@rustedromeo he was, however was he a devout believer who believed what the Bible said and followed it? No. Did he believe in God and Jesus later in life? A bit, but Hitler was always a skeptic which is why I said he was spiritual, not religious. Was he atheist? No. These are fucking facts, don't debate them you are just wasting your time when you could be out there reading these things in books but you don't find reading necessary apparently. I trust the views of Speer and Goebbels over yours
@rustedromeo and if I have to mention them one more time because you idiots don't have a fucking clue who they are, I am going to go nuts because that proves to me that YOU are the one who needs an education. I have given you example after example of evidence that Hitler was not a true Christian. Do I have to explain to you again that Hitler was against organized religion??? It's naive thinking like yours that lead to people thinking things about history that are complete BS.
@rustedromeo You read somewhere that Hitler was born a Roman Catholic so you automatically associate him as a Christian, or you find that Hitler mentioned God or Jesus in a speech once or twice so you assume he is a Christian, wrong. You fail to read (or ignore it because it debunks your entire position) that Hitler's own friends said he was not religious in any way and never went to church, read the Bible or prayed and he spoke of religion in a negative light in private.
@rustedromeo You also don't seem to understand Hitler allowed for many of his SS men, and Himmler himself, to dabble with the occult, what kind of Christian does that?? Secondly, Hitler explained his reasoning for the persecution of the Jews, and religion had NOTHING to do with it and he even said so, so you can't use that excuse that he targeted Jews for religious reasons. I think you're done pal. Pack up your bags because you aren't going to change history no matter how hard you try.
@rustedromeo And it's not an opinion, it's a fact. And how I am trying to change your opinion by thinking a way really hard???? That is what you are fucking doing you hypocrite, you haven't shown me once piece of evidence that says Hitler was a Christian, where as I have given you evidence that supports my claim that he wasn't. Sorry moron, it doesn't work that way. In order to win an argument, you have to A: know what you are talking about, and B: provide proof of it. Both you haven't done.
Anybody with 5 minutes to burn on the subject can easily find out about the religous views of hitler. It is quite obvious if your seeing this, that you have the internet.
So please take some time to educate yourself about the subject before running at the mouth about some moronic view you choose to believe.
You can't change the history just because you don't like it. Hitler was Roman Catholic.
Seriously, there is no debate to this, it is a fact, plain and simple.
@rustedromeo no its called you need to understand the situation, and you don't. Hitler was raised Roman Catholic, wow, I was raised SDA, does that make me an SDA today? Not if I don't accept it, go to church or read the Bible it doesn't. Hitler did not accept religion, he was not a Christian then. Same situation with Stalin, he was raised Christian, yet was he? No. It doesn't matter what happened as a child, it is your decisions as a free thinking adult that make who you are.
@rustedromeo No there is no debate to what I am saying. If he was a Christian he would have prayed, he would have been a follower of Christ, yet he did NONE of this, THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT ok? That is not up for debate. You fail to understand the difference between being a Christian and NOT being a Christian. End of debate. Read YOUR history books pal.
@rustedromeo And don't tell me a simple history lesson will prove you wrong, I've just proved you wrong but you are too ignorant to notice. Read Ian Kershaws' double series on Hitler, although it might be a little boring and long for you because wikipedia is so much easier to get info from right? lol. Come on dude, seriously. Don't debate me on this. You are right, Hitler was Roman Catholic as a child, AS A CHILD. Secondly, he had Catholics killed. ??? Find that a bit odd?
ppl who keep referring to Mao and Stalin need to get their heads on straight. So ,here we go... Atheism does not have any tenants, beliefs, dogma, prayers, masses, laws, rules, or ANYTHING like that. Therefore Mao and Stalin (as evil as they were) did not do their acts in the name of atheism, because there is nothing there to do in the name of. Also the ppl in their countries worshipped them like Gods, almost religiously Lol. Mao and stalin were just evil, it had nothing to do with atheism.
@RyZombie619 - Sorry that is just not accurate. I am not super anti-religious and I think ppl have the right to believe what they want, but Hitler was a Christian, (perhaps, not a very good one) Every soldier had Gott Mit Uns on their uniform, which translates to God with us. I am not saying religion makes ppl do Hitler like acts, but he did believe he was doing Gods work, as with many others throughout history and even nowadays.
@RyZombie619 - As for Mao and Stalin, it could be argued that because they were not religious they had no love in their hearts, so they had no problem doing their evil acts. I dont personally believe this, but I think that would be a better arguement than the, "they commited their acts in the name of Atheism" viewpoint. I do not agree at all with what they did, and I think they did'nt have love in their hearts, that's all. If they were religious they may or may not have done the same things.
@paulcorda no, it actually is accurate.Let me explain: Hitler was born Catholic, he stayed a member until his death. Why? Because he never decided to cancel it. Ok, so what? Does that make him a Christian? Not really. You are not a Christian because you belong to a church, or because you own a Bible. You are a Christian if you believe in God and accept Jesus as his son. Well Hitler used God and Jesus in early speeches for propaganda purposes because he wanted the Christian on his side.
@paulcorda More people means more support. If you read what Hitler's friends and party members said about him, he was not a Christian. He never prayed, never went to church, he was very critical of Christianity in private, I quote him:
@RyZombie619 - Many ppl who claim to be Christian, they never pray or go to church either. So then the Japanese killed and tortured and conquered in the name of their religion? if so than they did it IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. That is the whole point. I think Christians believe that when it comes to this point, that Christianity is immune. History dictates otherwise. Religion isn't the cause of these acts, but it is the excuse.
@paulcorda Believe me, Christianity is not immune. Just because someone claims to be Christian doesn't mean they ARE Christian, don't confuse the two. That is like saying "I am a Packers fan" but then never watch their games or go to them, or even buy any of their stuff, is that really a fan? No. Hitler was not a Christian, he was raised Christian but never had any ties to the religion in his adult life, his own friends say that. Hitler was against organized religion.
@paulcorda And you totally missed the whole Japanese point. He was saying that THEIR SACRIFICE TO THE FATHERLAND was what made their religion great, not their murdering, their willingness to lay down their lives for their country. Their country, their emperor, was their religion. Hitler wanted something similar, he wanted himself to be the focus, the center, that's why he made the military pledge loyalty specifically to him, not the Constitution, but to him personally.
@RyZombie619 I'll use your own words "Their country, their emperor, was their religion." So these men wanted to be the Gods, and have the ppl worship them, just like a religion. Then next, commit horrible crimes in the name of religion/beliefs. It does not matter what religion it is, as one person said, and I am paraphrasing here "Ppl do good things, and ppl do bad things, but to get good ppl to do bad things, that takes religion". Religion separates, discriminates, isolates, preys on the weak.
@paulcorda No see your hatred of Christianity proves to me that you are willing to say anything to condemn it, even if it is totally untrue. Religion doesn't always do that, how many wars have been started because of religion, in reality? World War I? No. World War II? No. Vietnam, Korea, Gulf Wars? No. Napoleonic Wars? No. Punic Wars? No. Hundred Years War? No. Crimean War? No. American Civil War? No. American Rev.? No. Russian Civil War? No. Franco-Prussian War? No.
@RyZombie619 - I dont hate Christianity, or any religion, I just think they are like training wheels on your first bike, Once you learn how to ride, then they are no longer needed you get rid of them, and move above them. I usually dont argue with xians because no matter what they will defend right to the end. You clearly did not understand that staement so here it is again "Ppl do good things, and ppl do bad things, but to get good ppl to do bad things, that takes religion".
@paulcorda You sit here and say religion is the reason there is so much violence in the world, yet you fail to realize that violence would still exist without religion. Atheists can commit as much violence and feel as much hatred in their hearts as Christians can, and history has shown that to be true. So don't come here with your bull shit. I am aware that religion has and will continue to cause problems, but does that mean religion everywhere does that and that every religious person does?
@RyZombie619 - I am well aware that just because someone is religious it does not mean the will do evil acts. There are a lot of good ppl who believe in religion, that is fine, but it does not make the religion true. Arguing about who started more wars, or who killed more ppl is futile and leads nowhere. The quote means that ppl will not normally do bad things, but it will take faith in something unproven that will get them to do bad things. Religion is faith without evidence.
@RyZombie619 - You can believe whatever you want, thats fine. I am going to assume you are a christian? if so, then why, why are you not a muslim, hindi, buddhist and on and on?. Why is your religion the right one? Do I go to hell/or deserve to go to hell if I do not believe Jesus was the son of God? are you a pick and choose xian, or do you follow the bible exactly?
@paulcorda Hell no. Going back to Hitler, when an individual is against organized religion, when people around him, MOTHER FUCKING SPEER AND GOEBBELS, I am pretty sure they knew Hitler just a tad bit better than you don't you think? When they say things like he is against organized religion and feels it to be weak, does that seem like a Christian to you? No, and if it does you are a fucking idiot. Hitler was not killing the Jews in the name of god, only ignorant people think he did.
@paulcorda I am going to state a few facts for you, and listen because these are facts and you will be wrong if you even think of debating them: 1. Hitler's personal friends and party members said he was anti-religion and never went to church, he was spiritual but not religious. 2. Hitler targeted Jews for NON RELIGIOUS reasons, it was ethnic and political reasons. 3. Hitler targeted many Christians and had them killed 4. Hitler wanted many in his SS to be atheist5. Hitler was inspired by Darwin
@paulcorda I am sorry, but to say Hitler did what he did in the name of god is totally ignorant and proves to me that you have no clue about you are talking about, you really need to read up on Nazi Germany and Hitler because you have wacky ideas. I am defending Christianity because I know what it was like to be a Christian and I never saw or experienced any of the crap that you atheists say Christians are responsible for. I was never taught to be rude to gays, or to protest abortion
@paulcorda or that men were superior to women, or that white Americans were gods people or that we should kill all non believers, blah blah, all the crap you guys say Christians do, I was never taught to do or believe in. So there is something wrong with your perception of Christianity, and I know what it is. You take all the Christians who make the news and assume they are the majority, sorry, that is called stereotyping and making generalizations. And as far as Hitler goes, do y our homework.
@paulcorda I am defending Christians because I see the unfair attacks they are getting from smug, hypocritical, bigoted atheists. Being agnostic, I look at both sides as having possible explanations (although I tend to agree more with the atheists point of view on life) however, that doesn't mean we should attack religion and use propaganda and generalizations to prove how awful religion is. Atheists have been attacked unfairly before, but that doesn't mean it's ok to do it back.
Maher, man of hate. He would murder anyone in a religion if he could. He is trying to get other people to do his killing by telling everyone how bad it is to believe in God.
darkfur35 3 hours ago
Religion can take any shape or form at the end of the day humans are to be held personally responsible for their actions.If an animal hunts down it's prey is it political,religion,no its not it is and always for it's survival.Likewise humans do the same but in our case we know it's not politcal or religious but rather our on selfishness...wicked human heart...Stop Blaming religion and politics for our own character flaws....
ralal2003 21 hours ago
I INVITE ALL TO ISLAM :)
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shellykurdistan 1 day ago
Any religion can be twisted into suiting one's unholy needs. More's the pity.
cleancab 1 day ago
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heytootssweet 1 day ago
Mao Zedong had hair. Joseph Stalin had hair. HITLER had hair. All mass murderers, all possessors of the evil strands of dead cells. Is this coincidence? I think NOT!!
Heyprinny 1 day ago
Freud was Jewish!
ben1976howard 3 days ago
The broad on the show doesnt know what the fuck she is talking about.
C0mm0nS3ns3 3 days ago 2
First time I hear a mention of Breivik in English. I live in Sweden and I couldn't believe it when I heard about it on the news.
najhoant 4 days ago
Communism is a group ideology as is religion.
mentalphysicalism 4 days ago
@mentalphysicalism Thats correct. Quite often religious people say that communist dictators were atheists. But they fail to see that a political ideology has more in common with religion: it has a personality cult, doctrines, and demands submission or be punished. The only reason these leaders don't allow religion, is the very same reason the Christians have the First Commandment. Just look at North Korea, Kim Il Sung is their Jesus, Juche their Bible.
Helleu1 4 days ago
@Helleu1 You have it exactly right. The problem with Communism as practiced in the Soviet Union under Stalin, China under Mao, and Cambodia under Pol Pott, and North Korea, is not that they were atheist, their problem is that they were all too much like a religion--Communism became their religion.
DandAinTac 22 hours ago
20th century saw so many die because of technological weaponry not atheism. If Crusaders had machine guns they would have killed far more.
perrin6 4 days ago
Bill Loves Israel though and the idea of being one of Gods Chosen people, but Jesus came and pulled off the sheeps clothing exposing the wolf that the Jews worship Satanas Adversary Humanity the Unshakable race
DoinDabzByTheSlabs 1 week ago
The Crusades were neo JewDago Crosstians they were Jew conforming Pagans Get real. Stalin was influenced by the Bolshevik Jews Same kind of people that destroyed Germany and gave Hitler power to rid the problem then he decide ridding Europe of the Zionist Banking Barons Rothschild the owners of the EU
DoinDabzByTheSlabs 1 week ago
Prime example Protocols of Zion Jews have always and still hate Christ because he exposed their true god of material and hatred for mankind AKA Satanas.
They have pirated Christians beliefs to conform to Judaism now they will take even the Idea of Heaven and God from you reducing you to soulless animals as they have always seen the Goyim to enjoy servitude to the upcoming Israeli empire that awaits unveiling on all the Nations as Soon As they find their 1st coming of the New King of Israel
DoinDabzByTheSlabs 1 week ago
Oh, now I see -- she's that stupid fucking bitch trash from Fox Puke. NOTHING UGLIER than a woman from Fox Puke. She's a liar and a hypocrite, and a general dumb cunt too.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
Who's the dumb cunt blathering on about atheism and communism as if they're even remotely the same thing??? Is that Christine or god fucking forbid Coulter?? Who cares, actually, maybe she'll be retro-aborted for polluting the planet with the diarrhea coming out of her mouth.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
SO DEAD ON. Christians are actually the most violent terrorists in history as far as I can tell -- the American Taliban. I'll stop using that term when American right-wing nuts stop shitting out idiocy constantly.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@jdarrah17 .... "Christians are actually the most violent terrorists in history as far as I can tell"
Nero killed Christians by the 1000's and BLAMED them for the fire that burned much of Rome. God's INFALLIBLE WORD tells us that those days will return. With people like you...it will happen sooner than later. Your hatred and rage is SIN. You can not control it nor can you remove it from your life. If it has not already consumed you...it will eventually.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 See, therein lies the problem -- there is NO PROOF of "god's infallible word, not even proof of a god to be begin with. I don't have any hatred or rage -- except toward lying hypocrite religious assholes. Not all religious people are assholes, but much more than half of them sure seem to be. THOSE are the "sinners" dude, and you sound like you have WAY more hatred and rage than I do, that's for damn sure. "Infallible word" -- that just cracks me up.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@jdarrah17 ..."The way of a FOOL is right in his own eyes, But he who heeds counsel is wise." Proverbs 12:15
People who search for GOLD, do not sit around and wait for the GOLD to make itself known. They have to search for it. Same with God. If you want to FIND GOD, He will reveal Himself to you when YOU BEGIN THE SEARCH. Jeremiah 29:13
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Okay, first off, I don't want to find god, just don't care, not remotely interested in finding god. Second, the quotes from the bible will never sway me -- take a history of Christianity class and you'll learn exactly why.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@jdarrah17 ...CORRECT. You like the life that YOUR SIN delivers to you. Whether it is homosexuality or fornication or adultery or drugs or alcohol or gambling....it's what YOU DESIRE...not what God desires and you are not willing to part with it. The is the problem with AMERICA. We are all SELF CENTERED AND PRIDEFUL.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 -- Any pride I may or may not have has ZERO to do with the fact that I do not believe in your "god." See, this is why religious zealots cannot be reasoned with -- you respond with irrelevant shit when you don't have a real answer. As for the rest of this reply, again, it contains completely irrelevant, not to mention completely inaccurate info in it. Face it -- there is no PROOF of any god. That's that! If you still want to believe in your god, that's fine too.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@bornagain001 AND, as RedPaganPunk says below, I love how some Christians are quick to blame any bad actions on OTHER people's religion if they're Atheist, Muslim, etc. but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their "god" than anyone else. YOU need to take a history class, bornagain001. Until then please spare us your religious predictions and delusions.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
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@jdarrah17 ...".but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their "god" than anyone else. "
Which "Christians" are you referring to?????
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 -- Actually, this was a quote from another commenter below named RedPaganPunk, and I happen to agree with what he/she is saying.
Don't play the ridiculous, pathetic game of "which Christians." That is such a retard response from you on this that I'm not even gonna bother to go any further on it.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@jdarrah17 ....but I really want to know. Which Christians are you referring to who have killed so many people.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 - Crack open a book. Take a history of Christianity class. Replay this Bill Maher video. He lists quite a few. I'm done with your ridiculousness. It's fucking 8 hours later and you're still asking stupid questions. Go research it yourself like the rest of us did!!!!
jdarrah17 1 week ago
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@jdarrah17 ...Anders Brevik...the nut from Norway....was not a Christian. I'm still waiting on that list you claim exists.
bornagain001 1 week ago
I love how some Christians are quick to blame any bad actions on people's religion if they're Atheist, Muslim, etc. but lose their collective shit if anyone points out that Christians have killed more people in the name of their God than anyone else.
And oh, yeah, don't forget that if they killed people "They're not true Christians." Lol. You just eliminated the Catholic Church -as an organization- from Christianity.
RedPaganPunk 1 week ago 2
@RedPaganPunk So truthfully spoken.
ArchAGabriel 1 week ago
@RedPaganPunk No doubt, you're totally correct -- but then I have yet to meet a "christian" who's not a hypcrite too, so it should be no surprise! :-}
jdarrah17 1 week ago
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@jdarrah17 ...."but then I have yet to meet a "christian" who's not a hypcrite too, so it should be no surprise! :-}"
Then you HAVE NEVER MET...A Christian. You have only met....hypocrites. That's sad.
bornagain001 1 week ago
Maher had NO CLUE when he claimed thos guy was a Christian terrorist just as he has no clue today. There has been NO indictaion by the investigators that this guy was even a Christian. He was just a dude that hated to see what the invasion of muslims had done to his country and took measures into his own hands. HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 As I remember it, Breivik considered himself a "cultural Christian"--i.e., he believed that Europe's character was distinctly shaped by Christianity, and that the increasingly large waves of immigrants--especially from non-Christian religions--were threatening Europe's identity. So I agree, he probably wasn't a practicing Christian who believed in the divinity of Christ, and partook in the rituals, etc., but he did identify culturally with it. Whoever that woman was on this panel,
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 I want to say, was a complete moron for saying that atheism caused more deaths in the 20th century than religious zealots, by pointing to Stalin's purges and Mao's Great Leap Forward. She is confusing--either by ignorance of malice--the motivation of those political ideologies with a facet of them. Soviet Socialism or Chinese Communism killed all those people--even that is a facile explanation, though, but she seems to believe it's that simple--which happened to be atheistic,
alspageddi 1 week ago
alspageddi ...we are all very aware that HITLER did not kill 6 million Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals himself. Just as we are aware that Pol Pot and Mao did not kill millions themselves. It WAS HOWEVER...the fact that they had no fear of God as Judge, that their actions came about. Our prisons are full or murderers and rapists who have NO FEAR of God because most do not believe in God....which is why they are there.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Nonsense. First off, you are saying things without doing any research. The number of believers in prisons for violent crime far exceeds the number of atheists. Go to Google and look for the Federal Bureau of Prisons' 1997 report on religious affiliation in prisons; less than 0.25% of inmates were prisoners. And considering that atheists make up far more than 0.25% of the US population, they are much more well-behaved than Christians, statistically speaking, even controlling for
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ... "Go to Google and look for the Federal Bureau of Prisons' 1997 report on religious affiliation in prisons; less than 0.25% of inmates were prisoners."
I did what you ask....there is NO information in this report concerning religious affiliations. Were you making this up? Does this make you a LIAR?
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Do you know how to use Google? Type in "federal bureau prisoner religion." Here, I'll do it. Here's one of many, many websites that have the results: holysmoke(dot)org/icr-pri.htm
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ....HOLY SMOKE IS NOT AN OFFICIAL SPOKESPERSON for the Federal Bureau of Prison nor it is a reputable website for information. As a matter of fact.....the idiot that runs that website knows even less than you do. PLEASE....try to find me something OFFICIAL to back up your BOGUS CLAIMS.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Ha, don't give me that "so and so was a tax collector, or a physician" nonsense; you are quoting a work of fiction. Why should I believe it? You are being circular. How can you try and
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 prove something to me using the Bible when there is no evidence the Bible is full of anything but fabrications? Prove to me that Matthew, Mark, Luke, or John existed--not using the Bible
alspageddi 1 week ago
My purpose here is NOT to prove anything you but to tell you about the Gospel, the good news from God because one day in your life you may turn to Him. Explaining God to you is the same as explaining light to a person born blind or to describe the taste of chocolate to one who has never tasted. You have been born blind - spiritually and morally. It’s impossible for you to comprehend or even imagine God, heaven or hell. Your brain cannot compute this information so it rejects it.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 population. However, even though you're wrong, even if there were more atheists in prison, it wouldn't mean a thing, because there are no studies that I'm aware of that poll the religious affiliation of criminals before they get to prison. So you're bringing up a meaningless point. And unfortunately you didn't grasp my point in my initial response to you re: the motivation between the USSR/PRC/Khmer Rouge atrocities. If you want to pin their actions of their disbelief in a God,
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 what do you say about the Muslim terrorists who kill innocent people in the name of God? They aren't atheists--they kill because of their belief in God. How about the Crusades? How about the Catholics vs. the Huguenots in France? The Thirty Years War? How about the Spanish Inquisition? How about the Taiping Revolution? That one alone resulted in 20 million dead, and was because of religion. Do you see how ridiculous your argument is that atheism is more dangerous than theism?
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ...Satan can not convince everyone as easily as he has you that ....there is no God. So his next best solution is to flood the world with as many FALSE RELIGIONS, FALSE PROPHETS AND FALSE TEACHERS as posssible to bring deception into their life. ISLAM is the greatest of all FALSE RELIGIONS. This is why you find so many MUSLIMS willing to kill for God. They have been DECIEVED just as you have.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Who are you to say Islam is wrong, and your religion is right? How the hell do you know? Do you believe you are better than other people? If you were born in Saudi Arabia, you'd be a
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ...certainly not me. But since CHRIST tells us HE IS THE ONLY WAY ...then that makes ISLAM a FALSE RELIGION and it's leaders...FALSE PROPHETS. ....and NO..I am not better than anyone else...just SAVED.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Muslim; born in India, a Hindu; in America, ~75% or so chance of being a Christian. You have been deceived by lies written down by ignorant desert people 2,000 years ago. This type of
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ...."You have been deceived by lies written down by ignorant desert people 2,000 years ago."
Which desert people are you referring to? PAUL? He worked for the GOVERNMENT rounding up Christians for persecution. LUKE? He was a Physician. PETER? He was a Fisherman...not much desert in the ocean. MATTHEW? Also a government employee working as a Tax Collector? Solomon and David were both Kings. Help me out here.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@alspageddi ...I know many people in my own church who are from India, Pakistan and Malaysia...who are not Muslims....but are Christians. There are Jews who are Christians and there are Chinese who are Christians. There are also MANY Americans who CLAIM to be Christians ....WHO ARE NOT. You and I refer to these people as HYPOCRITES.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 ignorance is unforgivable in the 21st century. Christian or Muslim, it doesn't matter; you're all hiding behind fairy tales, and using them as justifications for your sectarian slaughter
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ..by WHAT AUTHORITY do you know that I did not speak with God this morning?
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 By what authority do you know that the more than 1 billion Muslims did not speak with God this morning, and that he didn't tell them they were right and you were wrong?
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 Stalin had millions killed because (a) he was a controlling dictator who was paranoid of losing power, and (b) he enacted terrible agricultural policies. The same goes for Mao. Their atheism was not the driving force behind their mania; it was their own psychological disorders. Do you honestly believe that all evil people are atheists? If so, you're incredibly ignorant. I've never been arrested, I've spent countless hours volunteering at a health clinic for the poor, I donate what
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 little money I have to a Catholic charity, I'm polite to people; and guess what? I don't believe in a god. And do you know how many terrible murderers, rapists, robbers, thieves, liars, etc. do believe in god, and even go to church/synagogue/mosque? Think about that. There are plenty of good believes, and plenty of good non-believers. Stop trying to separate "good" and "bad" into religious groups; it's facile.
alspageddi 1 week ago
@alspageddi ...you seemed to be confused. BELIEVING IN GOD does not make one a Christian any more than believeing in medicine makes one a doctor. However...someone who claims to believe in God and understand that God will hold us all accountable...would have to be a total FOOL to murder someone.
bornagain001 1 week ago
@bornagain001 You're a dumbshit of mindblowing magnitude. Requiring the "fear of god" is a CRUTCH because you can't control your own fucking morals and ethics. LOSER.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
@bornagain001 but atheism was not what motivated Chinese Communism or Soviet Socialism.
alspageddi 1 week ago
@bornagain001 As for the crazy guy Breivik -- it IS actually TRUE that he considered himself a "cultural Christian." He believed that Europe's character was distinctly shaped by Christianity. Smoke that.
jdarrah17 1 week ago
You don't see Christians mongering hate and teaching amorality to the world comfortably from behind a desk all in the name of Illuminati. Atheists are the real terrorists.
blattt188 1 week ago
Bill Maher, the resident fucktard for the commie propoganda machine up to his usual BS (Barry Soerto) tactics. This guys agenda centers on destruction of Constitutionally protected liberties that are rooted in DIVINE rights that we all enjoy. That all men are Created by God; that our rights are inalienable (non revocable by mortal men) is what this huckster is attempting to undo, and it appears he's got plenty of company out there willing to be manipulated by his BS antics. Maher hates America !
dloloa 1 week ago
Definition and terminology is very important,one must understand what is religiously done and what has a spiritual connection,certain groups of birds could be considered religious, they fly north in summer and south in the winter and they do it religiously,but when one connect a deity to their beliefs then it becomes a spiritual act,but the key word is spi-( ritual ) rather or not there is any truth or not in either one of them remains a debate.
ArchAGabriel 1 week ago
Enforced folly may be the worst (& most ecumenical) religious terrorism.
There is more than one verse in the Bible that says God humbles the wise & exalts the simple-minded - & that sentiment recurs in many religions. Stupidity is the oxygen of a successful con-game, & for a long con to pay off that stupidity must be enforced. Religions have cultural cachet that the Tooth Fairy does not for this very reason - there's just too much money & power riding on people agreeing to pretend that 2+2=9.
jamesmorgandavies 1 week ago
Written into every organized religion on the planet is the idea of "We're right, they're heretics who deserve to die." Its in the Bible, the Quran, the Torah on the mouth of religious leaders the world over you can't deny it or escape it. As long as religions refuse to accept the idea they could be wrong or that ideas should be shared we're going to have batshit crazy murderers flocking to its side.
Bromopar 1 week ago
When you kill innocent people to prove a point, you are a terrorist
regardless of what your race/ religion/ sexual orientation/ nationality or etc.. is
Interceptor810 2 weeks ago
@Interceptor810 ,There is a secret crime that is perpetrated by religious groups who has alliance with firemen, police, etc called "Gang-Stalking" , it is similar to "Cointelpro", its designed to destroy, vilify and harass someone to death, because of their religious views, national origin and sexual orientation.
ppll487 1 week ago
The republican congress has a 10 percent aproval rating because of the sick demented tea party! The tea party are a bunch of demented crazy bat shit bastards who think taxes are a sin which is wrong! Low taxes are good and not just cutting spending!
padude64 2 weeks ago
I can assure you that most of the KKK members have been and still are bible-believing Christians.
gregdye 2 weeks ago
John Maher was wrong about the KKK, The Klan was the militant wing of the Democratic party following the Civil War and had little to no ties with the Church.
Kmanhasleft 2 weeks ago
@Terastas Once again a comment went straight over your head. "atheism is the answer to a question" Not "thee answer" you half wit. You know that if you bother to look in a dictionary. But I think you are some what retarded, so expect another reply.
Jayjon81 2 weeks ago
Since when does it take effort to practice Atheism? If you really believe that Atheism is a religion, you are truly deluded.
TPHxJustice 2 weeks ago
@TPHxJustice depends on the type of atheism you're talking about. in the east (asia for example) the justification of atheism is "meh." here in the west, we tend to attack all of the abrahamic religions surrounding us thinking that by doing this religiously they will come to their senses.
...maybe i should move to japan...
lloydgar01 2 weeks ago
*facepalm* communism or atheism? Pick one lady! They aren't the same thing!
JarvisComics 2 weeks ago
Religion: The belief in and worship of a superhuman controlling power, esp. a personal God or gods
The same dictionary religious nuts refer to to describe marriage as a bond between a man and a woman. Hypocrisy plain and simple, it's one or the other, choose.
TrojanGold1314 2 weeks ago
@Terastas Haha you're just making yourself look dumb you know? I made not a single condescending remark, and never once claimed my belief was better than yours. But that's typical for arrogant, ignorant people isn't it?
You're wrong, plain and simple. Have a good day!!
TrojanGold1314 2 weeks ago
@TrojanGold1314
"But that's typical for arrogant, ignorant people isn't it?"
See what you just did there? Right after claiming you were never condescending and never claimed your belief was better, you went and did exactly that.
See? Being an atheist doesn't automatically make you above the same kind of juvenile bullshit that any other religion is subject to.
And the ultimate irony is that I'm not even religious. So apparently I'm guilty for being a non-Atheist too.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas I really didn't but I guess you really don't like definitions. You dug your own hole in that regard, I let you do the work. I also never said it made you "above" some other religion, simply that it's NOT a religion, stop dancing around the actual argument.
Ha that really is funny that you're not religious because I'm not even an atheist haha
TrojanGold1314 2 weeks ago
@TrojanGold1314
I only don't like definitions when they're wrong, especially when they're deliberately wrong for the purpose of supporting a selfish and baseless point. You dumbed down the definition of religion to solely that of believing in God. And if you believe that load of bull, I guess you don't think Shinto, Zen or Scientology count as religions.
And you accuse ME of dancing around the actual argument. You haven't even addressed the point she made in the audio yet.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas Ha well I don't know enough about Zen or Shinto, but Scientology isn't a religion. Yes people can treat things religiously, but that doesn't make them religions. People treat money as god, but loving money and pretty much praising it doesn't make it religion.
back to the Scientology thing, no it's not a religion, it's a freakin business ponzi scheme. Calling Scientology a religion and L. Ron Hubbard a prophet is like saying Bernie Madoff was a prophet.
TrojanGold1314 1 week ago
@TrojanGold1314
Not that I don't disagree with you about $cientology, but I know other people would. And not every scheme is a Ponzi scheme. Stop trying to destroy the meaning of words all the time.
Point still stands that your "definition" was crap. Religion in practice is the attempt to provide answers for unanswerable questions, so as soon as you (and Bill) said you had the answers and everyone else was wrong, you became no better than the rest of them.
Terastas 1 week ago
She called it. Bill Maher can't accept the fact that Atheism counts as a religion. He's a smart guy, but for a guy that loves to shit all over every religion on the planet, he certainly has a problem with anyone questioning what he believes.
For such an otherwise wise and intelligent person, it's amazing how much of a child Bill can be sometimes.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas It's so not the same thing. Christians and others believe in things like god and Adam and Eve etc. Things that have not been proven to be factual. Atheists believe in nothing! Lol, that's the big difference. Unlike you guys we are open to facts, but otherwise we don't believe in anything. So has is that a religion??
az0963818 2 weeks ago
@az0963818
Bullshit. Don't get "don't believe in anything" confused with "believe in nothing." By constantly trying to pin the blame solely on religion, Maher just proved their point: Atheism is just as much a religion, and just as susceptible to abuse, as all the other religions he lives to bash.
Maher might as well have just come out and said "You're allowed to bash every religion except for my own on this show." At least then he could have claimed to be honest with his bullshit.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas You still haven't proved how atheism is a religion. Last time i checked, most religions believe in some type of god. Atheists on the other hand...DON'T BELIEVE IN ANYTHING!!! So how exactly is it a religion again..??
az0963818 2 weeks ago
@az0963818
What do Zen, Taoism, Shinto, Scientology and Rastafarianism have in common? They are all religions WITHOUT SOME TYPE OF GOD!!!
Atheism is not a lack of belief. It's a belief in nothing. It is the outright denial of any form of spiritualism of any kind, not strictly the presence of an almighty figurehead.
And denying the existence of everything just because you can't see it requires just as much pigheadedness as believing in an almighty overseer. That's why it counts.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas Atheism is the denial of a deity. Simple as that. Argument over.
If different channels on a TV are different religions, atheism is having the TV turned off. Would you still call that "watching TV?"
TrojanGold1314 2 weeks ago
@TrojanGold1314
No. Atheism is the belief in nothing. It's the belief -- the FAITH -- that there is absolutely nothing spiritual or supernatural and that anyone who feels otherwise is dead fucking wrong.
So yes, Atheism is a religion, and it's just as susceptible to abuse as Christianity or Islam. So get the fuck off of your "my religion is better than your religion" high horse and shut the fuck up about it.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
@Terastas Nope your wrong, try again. lol
You can't say Atheism is, and then in cert your own interpretation that derails off the definition.
First off, Atheism isn't a belief it's an answer to a question. What an Atheist believes in falls under an ideology which as yet to be stated.
Example: If i say to you that you believe that you'll get 72 virgins when you die, because you are a Theist. Doesn't make since does it? You are a Theist, but what your ideology has not yet been stated.
Jayjon81 2 weeks ago
@Jayjon81
"First off, Atheism isn't a belief it's an answer to a question."
Religion's purpose is to provide answers to unanswerable questions. So by claiming that Atheism is an answer, you've proven my point: Atheism is a religion.
And who the fuck said I was a theist? I don't believe in God; I just don't disbelieve in it either. I'm an agnostic; my answer to the God question is "I don't know."
Thank you, once again, for proving that Atheists can be just as bad as the rest.
Terastas 2 weeks ago
It sounds like Bill Maher is speaking to someone from Fox News.
petercharleskrug 2 weeks ago 2
i agree with Bill, but i think that Islamic terrorism shold concern us before anything about religion concerns us.
iedhunter44 2 weeks ago
How soon we forget, we as a country are so quick to use the term terrorism when just in what is considered resent history the worlds biggest terrorist was right here in the good ole u.s.a,when blacks were beaten, women raped right in front of there man and children, little boys castrated,burned,hanged from trees worked from sun up to sun down for no pay at all,and out of fear you dear not say a word for fear of your life or those you loved,if the bible is true,so a man sow ,he reaps.
ArchAGabriel 2 weeks ago
@ArchAGabriel I would like to agree, but you're not naming any specific incidents.
Daeora 2 weeks ago
@Daeora To be specific, to name just a few (Emmett till) Dr. king and many of his followers were beaten, simply because they wish to be treated human,and these are just the tip of the iceberg ,,just look at the tactics used to intimidate those who dare to buck the system of those who considered themselves to be the superior race,they hang them,beat them,set homes on fire jailed them and on and on,if this is not terrorism then there is not a definition for terrorism(.they struck fear in people.)
ArchAGabriel 2 weeks ago
Oh... who needs birth control when we have religion! (oop's.. i was raised christain)
26yearstoorion 2 weeks ago
Isn't terrorism always connected to some religion? (meant that as a 'got-cha' comment :-)
26yearstoorion 2 weeks ago
RyZombie should lay off the kool-aid.
Fact: Hitler claimed to be a catholic.
Opinion: Hitler was lying.
Opinion: Hitler does not represent true Catholicism.
And, if you believe in Jesus, you are Christian. There is this new movement to disassociate "Jesus" from "Christianity" - which is just a new trick to market the religion of Jesus. Don't fall for it.
greenjelly01 3 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 No I have to agree with him actually. He brings up a lot of good points I think are being ignored. I am an atheist and I know full well that atheists try to pin Hitler on Christianity, I think it is a cheap shot. You can be a deist and not be religious, look at Thomas Jefferson and some of the founding fathers of the United States. They were not religious, yet they believed in a God. Hitler does believe in God, but does that make him religious?
brittneybirdy 3 weeks ago
@brittneybirdy Even if Hitler was lying, he was able to use Christianity to his advantage, and rally people based on the teachings of Christianity and the inherent antisemitism in Christianity. You can rally people on a atheistic message too, but there is no inherent atheistic ideology which you can use to commit atrocities. The bible orders genocide explicitly, and a man can lie and tell that God wants him to kill Jews and people will believe and follow it. That is the problem.
greenjelly01 3 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 Ok I see where you are coming from, but still, ryzombie brought up a lot of good points about Hitler that you and others completely ignored. I think that was wrong of you. For example, when I read what ryzombie is saying I get the impression that he means Hitler was a deist, not a Christian and I agree. Hitler in his own personal beliefs was not someone who followed the Christian doctrine like a religious person does. Ryzombie is right when he says Hitler was not supportive of
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 religion and felt it did interfere in the duties of the state. To Hitler, the state of Germany was much more important than anything religious, that is what fascism is, total dedication to the state in a nationalistic way. Nazism is what made it a racist form of fascism. How do you determine if someone is religious or not is hard, but think of it this way: if someone is truly a Christian and believes in their bible, they are religious, if someone believes in God they are a deist
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 Hitler can believe in God and even Jesus to a degree, but not be a religious person. When you are religious you believe in your religion and the doctrines that go with it, and you participate and are a member of a religion or a church, that is religion, otherwise there wouldn't really be a difference between spirituality and religion and there is a difference. Hitler even stated, and this is true, in Mein Kampf that his hatred for the Jews was not from religious reasons
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 if so, targeting non-religious Jews wouldn't have been as important, yet it was just as important. It didn't matter if you were a religious Jew or not. So do I think Hitler believed in God? Yes. Do I think he was religious? No, because he constantly talked about religion in a degrading way, he never participated in any religious activities (church, bible, prayer, etc), and allowed many things to happen that a Christian would be against (occult, atheist members, social darwinism)
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 Hitler didn't believe in things like "love your neighbor," or "the meek shall inherit the earth," things like that, Hitler was a social darwinist who believed the strongest will survive, he even said this when Germany was collapsing under the Soviet Union, he said Germany was unfit to be a world power and the job should go to the USSR because they had proven their worth. He didn't believe in a lot of things that Christians believe in so I have to say he was not Christian.
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 And yes Hitler used religion to appeal to the masses, but so what? Every president this country has had does that, leaders throughout history have tried to appeal to masses in order to get support, even if they don't agree with it. How many times do you go to a rock show, and you could be in some small town like Scranton, yet the band still says your town is the loudest and craziest audience so far right? Do they mean it? No way, lol, they say it at every town. They are appealing
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 to the crowd so they will continue to sell albums and tickets. If they came out and said, you guys are a lame crowd, people would boo, just like Hitler. If he came out and said what he said in private about Christianity, a lot of followers would have left him. I am not defending religions, btw, I think it does more harm than good and that it's a cause for violence and always has been, however, I think it is unfair to call Hitler a Christian when he really was not.
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 and with regards to the pope and all that, those are different denominations that quarrel with one another. I have friends whose family are non denomination protestants, yet they say the pope is a false prophet or that he is wrong about this and that, that doesn't mean they don't think he is a Christian, he clearly is, he is the pope lol. Protestants and Catholics just don't see eye to eye, so yeah, they will slander one another. Yet they are both Christians
brittneybirdy 2 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 I don't think so because he did express that he was anti-religious. I agree you can't just look at what you want to believe, you need to look at what is there. I don't agree with everything he is saying but I think that he brings up points that are being ignored, for example, Hitler really was not easy to categorize. Hitler claimed to be catholic because it was convenient for him.I found an interesting article that some of you should read, including ryzombie.
brittneybirdy 3 weeks ago
@brittneybirdy @brittneybirdy The problem is how do you determine if someone is Christian or not? some baptists will say that the Pope is not Christian enough. Do you stone your child when he misbehaves? If you don't you are not a bible abiding Christian.
Anyone who follows the doctrine of a particular ideology purely on faith is religious, whether you like to call it that or not. The way forward for humanity is through rational discussion. No religion offers that.
greenjelly01 3 weeks ago
@greenjelly01 go to google and type in was Hitler Christian and go to the STraight Dope one, very interesting comments and it shows Hitler's contradictions. Hitler was certainly trying to rally support from the Christians by appearing to be one, but that is because Germany was predominantly religion\us at the time, so it would be smart to appear as one, but doesn't mean he was one. He certainly didn't act like one.
brittneybirdy 3 weeks ago
@brittneybirdy thanks! finally someone with a head on their shoulders who CAN THINK!
RyZombie619 2 weeks ago
We are a war full race and will fight over anything, get that through your thick skulls.
Mechaghostman3 3 weeks ago
If you cared to simply learn about the man, you would find his religion out quite easily, there are hundreds of books about Hitler. May i suggest you read at least one of them.
Facts are not opinion based, reality doesn't change from person to person. If you choose to be deluded then your more than free to do so but there is only one truth. I feel like i'm debating with a "flat-earther". It is just ridiculous to ask for a example when you can easily find it out. you are on the internet afterall
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RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo we are just going to have to disagree ok? I have read a lot on him, but you don't seem to get that. Hitler is not someone you can just explain in one sentence, he was a conflicted man. He believed in many things that kind of contradicted each other. He was not atheist yet he was not a religious man.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
Sounds like someone needs to get a education. But hey don't like stop you from having a strong opinion on the subject. It amazes me that people think you can change reality by thinking it was a certain way really really hard. No wonder religion still lingers.
rustedromeo 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo how the hell can you tell ME that I need an education when you are the one who has no idea what people in history believed???? I have received a masters degree in history from UCLA don't tell me that I need an education when my whole has been one of education. Ok, let's clear this up because you seriously have no clue of what you are saying. Ok, was Hitler a Christian? Well if you mean did he come a from a Christian background, was he familiar with God, Jesus and the Bible? Then yes
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo he was, however was he a devout believer who believed what the Bible said and followed it? No. Did he believe in God and Jesus later in life? A bit, but Hitler was always a skeptic which is why I said he was spiritual, not religious. Was he atheist? No. These are fucking facts, don't debate them you are just wasting your time when you could be out there reading these things in books but you don't find reading necessary apparently. I trust the views of Speer and Goebbels over yours
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo and if I have to mention them one more time because you idiots don't have a fucking clue who they are, I am going to go nuts because that proves to me that YOU are the one who needs an education. I have given you example after example of evidence that Hitler was not a true Christian. Do I have to explain to you again that Hitler was against organized religion??? It's naive thinking like yours that lead to people thinking things about history that are complete BS.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo You read somewhere that Hitler was born a Roman Catholic so you automatically associate him as a Christian, or you find that Hitler mentioned God or Jesus in a speech once or twice so you assume he is a Christian, wrong. You fail to read (or ignore it because it debunks your entire position) that Hitler's own friends said he was not religious in any way and never went to church, read the Bible or prayed and he spoke of religion in a negative light in private.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo You also don't seem to understand Hitler allowed for many of his SS men, and Himmler himself, to dabble with the occult, what kind of Christian does that?? Secondly, Hitler explained his reasoning for the persecution of the Jews, and religion had NOTHING to do with it and he even said so, so you can't use that excuse that he targeted Jews for religious reasons. I think you're done pal. Pack up your bags because you aren't going to change history no matter how hard you try.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo And it's not an opinion, it's a fact. And how I am trying to change your opinion by thinking a way really hard???? That is what you are fucking doing you hypocrite, you haven't shown me once piece of evidence that says Hitler was a Christian, where as I have given you evidence that supports my claim that he wasn't. Sorry moron, it doesn't work that way. In order to win an argument, you have to A: know what you are talking about, and B: provide proof of it. Both you haven't done.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
stupid bitch, you think stalin and mao killed ppl in the name of atheism?
The soviets and communists never killed ppl in the name of anybody! They did it for power!
straighter100 3 weeks ago
@straighter100 shut up
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619
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straighter100 3 weeks ago
Anybody with 5 minutes to burn on the subject can easily find out about the religous views of hitler. It is quite obvious if your seeing this, that you have the internet.
So please take some time to educate yourself about the subject before running at the mouth about some moronic view you choose to believe.
You can't change the history just because you don't like it. Hitler was Roman Catholic.
Seriously, there is no debate to this, it is a fact, plain and simple.
READ !
rustedromeo 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo no its called you need to understand the situation, and you don't. Hitler was raised Roman Catholic, wow, I was raised SDA, does that make me an SDA today? Not if I don't accept it, go to church or read the Bible it doesn't. Hitler did not accept religion, he was not a Christian then. Same situation with Stalin, he was raised Christian, yet was he? No. It doesn't matter what happened as a child, it is your decisions as a free thinking adult that make who you are.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo No there is no debate to what I am saying. If he was a Christian he would have prayed, he would have been a follower of Christ, yet he did NONE of this, THAT IS A COLD HARD FACT ok? That is not up for debate. You fail to understand the difference between being a Christian and NOT being a Christian. End of debate. Read YOUR history books pal.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@rustedromeo And don't tell me a simple history lesson will prove you wrong, I've just proved you wrong but you are too ignorant to notice. Read Ian Kershaws' double series on Hitler, although it might be a little boring and long for you because wikipedia is so much easier to get info from right? lol. Come on dude, seriously. Don't debate me on this. You are right, Hitler was Roman Catholic as a child, AS A CHILD. Secondly, he had Catholics killed. ??? Find that a bit odd?
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
This is Youtube dude, where's the video??
sammy2trees 3 weeks ago
ppl who keep referring to Mao and Stalin need to get their heads on straight. So ,here we go... Atheism does not have any tenants, beliefs, dogma, prayers, masses, laws, rules, or ANYTHING like that. Therefore Mao and Stalin (as evil as they were) did not do their acts in the name of atheism, because there is nothing there to do in the name of. Also the ppl in their countries worshipped them like Gods, almost religiously Lol. Mao and stalin were just evil, it had nothing to do with atheism.
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda ok, then Hitler had nothing to do with Christianity, PEOPLE NEED TO GET THAT STRAIGHT TOO.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - Sorry that is just not accurate. I am not super anti-religious and I think ppl have the right to believe what they want, but Hitler was a Christian, (perhaps, not a very good one) Every soldier had Gott Mit Uns on their uniform, which translates to God with us. I am not saying religion makes ppl do Hitler like acts, but he did believe he was doing Gods work, as with many others throughout history and even nowadays.
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RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda and its very inaccurate for you to think he was doing Gods work, he was doing GERMANYS work, not gods work.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - As for Mao and Stalin, it could be argued that because they were not religious they had no love in their hearts, so they had no problem doing their evil acts. I dont personally believe this, but I think that would be a better arguement than the, "they commited their acts in the name of Atheism" viewpoint. I do not agree at all with what they did, and I think they did'nt have love in their hearts, that's all. If they were religious they may or may not have done the same things.
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
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@paulcorda no, it actually is accurate.Let me explain: Hitler was born Catholic, he stayed a member until his death. Why? Because he never decided to cancel it. Ok, so what? Does that make him a Christian? Not really. You are not a Christian because you belong to a church, or because you own a Bible. You are a Christian if you believe in God and accept Jesus as his son. Well Hitler used God and Jesus in early speeches for propaganda purposes because he wanted the Christian on his side.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda More people means more support. If you read what Hitler's friends and party members said about him, he was not a Christian. He never prayed, never went to church, he was very critical of Christianity in private, I quote him:
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - Many ppl who claim to be Christian, they never pray or go to church either. So then the Japanese killed and tortured and conquered in the name of their religion? if so than they did it IN THE NAME OF RELIGION. That is the whole point. I think Christians believe that when it comes to this point, that Christianity is immune. History dictates otherwise. Religion isn't the cause of these acts, but it is the excuse.
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda Believe me, Christianity is not immune. Just because someone claims to be Christian doesn't mean they ARE Christian, don't confuse the two. That is like saying "I am a Packers fan" but then never watch their games or go to them, or even buy any of their stuff, is that really a fan? No. Hitler was not a Christian, he was raised Christian but never had any ties to the religion in his adult life, his own friends say that. Hitler was against organized religion.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda And you totally missed the whole Japanese point. He was saying that THEIR SACRIFICE TO THE FATHERLAND was what made their religion great, not their murdering, their willingness to lay down their lives for their country. Their country, their emperor, was their religion. Hitler wanted something similar, he wanted himself to be the focus, the center, that's why he made the military pledge loyalty specifically to him, not the Constitution, but to him personally.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 I'll use your own words "Their country, their emperor, was their religion." So these men wanted to be the Gods, and have the ppl worship them, just like a religion. Then next, commit horrible crimes in the name of religion/beliefs. It does not matter what religion it is, as one person said, and I am paraphrasing here "Ppl do good things, and ppl do bad things, but to get good ppl to do bad things, that takes religion". Religion separates, discriminates, isolates, preys on the weak.
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda No see your hatred of Christianity proves to me that you are willing to say anything to condemn it, even if it is totally untrue. Religion doesn't always do that, how many wars have been started because of religion, in reality? World War I? No. World War II? No. Vietnam, Korea, Gulf Wars? No. Napoleonic Wars? No. Punic Wars? No. Hundred Years War? No. Crimean War? No. American Civil War? No. American Rev.? No. Russian Civil War? No. Franco-Prussian War? No.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - I dont hate Christianity, or any religion, I just think they are like training wheels on your first bike, Once you learn how to ride, then they are no longer needed you get rid of them, and move above them. I usually dont argue with xians because no matter what they will defend right to the end. You clearly did not understand that staement so here it is again "Ppl do good things, and ppl do bad things, but to get good ppl to do bad things, that takes religion".
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda You sit here and say religion is the reason there is so much violence in the world, yet you fail to realize that violence would still exist without religion. Atheists can commit as much violence and feel as much hatred in their hearts as Christians can, and history has shown that to be true. So don't come here with your bull shit. I am aware that religion has and will continue to cause problems, but does that mean religion everywhere does that and that every religious person does?
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - I am well aware that just because someone is religious it does not mean the will do evil acts. There are a lot of good ppl who believe in religion, that is fine, but it does not make the religion true. Arguing about who started more wars, or who killed more ppl is futile and leads nowhere. The quote means that ppl will not normally do bad things, but it will take faith in something unproven that will get them to do bad things. Religion is faith without evidence.
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 - You can believe whatever you want, thats fine. I am going to assume you are a christian? if so, then why, why are you not a muslim, hindi, buddhist and on and on?. Why is your religion the right one? Do I go to hell/or deserve to go to hell if I do not believe Jesus was the son of God? are you a pick and choose xian, or do you follow the bible exactly?
paulcorda 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda Hell no. Going back to Hitler, when an individual is against organized religion, when people around him, MOTHER FUCKING SPEER AND GOEBBELS, I am pretty sure they knew Hitler just a tad bit better than you don't you think? When they say things like he is against organized religion and feels it to be weak, does that seem like a Christian to you? No, and if it does you are a fucking idiot. Hitler was not killing the Jews in the name of god, only ignorant people think he did.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda I am going to state a few facts for you, and listen because these are facts and you will be wrong if you even think of debating them: 1. Hitler's personal friends and party members said he was anti-religion and never went to church, he was spiritual but not religious. 2. Hitler targeted Jews for NON RELIGIOUS reasons, it was ethnic and political reasons. 3. Hitler targeted many Christians and had them killed 4. Hitler wanted many in his SS to be atheist5. Hitler was inspired by Darwin
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 A simple history lesson will prove you wrong.
rustedromeo 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda I am sorry, but to say Hitler did what he did in the name of god is totally ignorant and proves to me that you have no clue about you are talking about, you really need to read up on Nazi Germany and Hitler because you have wacky ideas. I am defending Christianity because I know what it was like to be a Christian and I never saw or experienced any of the crap that you atheists say Christians are responsible for. I was never taught to be rude to gays, or to protest abortion
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@RyZombie619 Then you haven't read the bible much or paid any attention to your own religion.
rustedromeo 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda or that men were superior to women, or that white Americans were gods people or that we should kill all non believers, blah blah, all the crap you guys say Christians do, I was never taught to do or believe in. So there is something wrong with your perception of Christianity, and I know what it is. You take all the Christians who make the news and assume they are the majority, sorry, that is called stereotyping and making generalizations. And as far as Hitler goes, do y our homework.
RyZombie619 3 weeks ago
@paulcorda I am defending Christians because I see the unfair attacks they are getting from smug, hypocritical, bigoted atheists. Being agnostic, I look at both sides as having possible explanations (although I tend to agree more with the atheists point of view on life) however, that doesn't mean we should attack religion and use propaganda and generalizations to prove how awful religion is. Atheists have been attacked unfairly before, but that doesn't mean it's ok to do it back.