@Jmam3000 u clearly contradict ur self just like the bible we read from which is proof that were just like the most high because of ur error.yea common sense trumps many things & thats why god forgave sin with out killing @times & every1 in the bible didnt die like enoch 4 examp or elijah so ur wrong,ppl only live die & sin cos god created it & that was his plan from the begining as we both admitted & god was always within man according 2the old testament christ getting beat up & killed changed
@Jmam3000 u clearly contradict ur self just like the bible we read from which is proof that were just like the most high because of ur error.yea common sense trumps manythings & thats why god forgave sin with out killing @times & every1 in the bible didnt die like enoch 4 examp or elijah so ur wrong,ppl only live die & sin cos god created it & that was his plan from the begining as we both admitted & god was always within man according 2the old testament christ getting beat up & killed changed
"God" is an early term used by premature man to describe the visitors outside of this planet. Those who were significantly highly technically more evolved then those on the surface of this planet. The term "Alien or ET" is used to declair these visitors in modern day.
@Jman3000 THAT STILL DOESNT MAKE SENSE GOD GAVE MAN DOMINION & NEVER COMANDED THEM NOT 2BUILD IN 1PLACE IF I GIVE U DOMINION OVER A CAR HOW DOES THAT EXEMPT U 2KEEP IT PARKED?& IF U DONT HAVE THAT CHOICE THAN U DONT HAVE DOMINION I DO
@factsism11 The specific command given to Noah was to fill the earth (9:1). Now, is staying in a single area the opposite of filling the earth? Remember that this is after the fall, so does the command given specifically given to Adam before the fall still apply? I don't know. There is a similarity, but there is no talk of subduing the earth nor having dominion over animals. Rather the animals will fear humans. Perhaps in a sense man has lost their place in creation they once had.
@Jman3000 the bible never said they was only going 2stay in 1 aera thats ur assumption nor did it say in the bible god confound them 4that & what ur saying still dont make sense cos the majority of the times they /each race understood each rac they encountered regardless of migration
@factsism11 Lets just look at the text for a moment. People migrated west, the found a plain and decided to build a city and a tower. The reason was so they would make a name for themselves lest they be dispersed over the earth. The plain is the area I'm talking about. The decided to settle there. I think the reason for building may play a big part, specifically to make a name for themselves.
Will you reword the last bit about the migration, I don't understand what you are saying.
@Jman3000 like he is & i admit that but ppl like u hate them scriptures that show that & try 2make it mean something other than what it say with no proof,it says what it says yall even le & say god dont like war but the old testament say the lord is a man of war & that explains why we love it as well & them building a city dont make sense 2 separate their language cos they all spoke 1 language & built cities in the begining b4 the flood & god justification was man is violent,tan when man build 2
@Jman3000 work 2gether he separates them but y?their not commiting violent acts nor was it any proof humans wud only settle in 1 area they never done that in human history historically or biblically so its clear its only excuses god make 2start wars with humanity & its easy 2understand cos we do the same thing also so im accepting god 4his true nature not blaming human being 4it.no 1 with extraordinary power like god would get angry over something so pettie unless he was like man,lol.
@factsism11 I think you are right in that they would have not only stayed in a single spot on the earth. Gen 11:2 suggests that there were other groups of people around other than those in Shinar. Meaning people were spreading. The issue is that a group decided to build a city in order to keep from dispersing. God confused the languages in order to insure that did not happen, at least for some time. This isn't long before God calls Abraham and possibly played a role in some way.
@Jman3000 2ND IF THE ANGELS STARTED THE WAR/REBELION THAN WHAT DOES KILLING EVERY THING ACCOMPLISH IF THE FALLEN STILL EXIST?WHEN HAVE MAN KILLING OR GOD KILLING EVER SOLVED MORAL PROBLEMS?LOL
@factsism11 "WHEN HAVE MAN KILLING OR GOD KILLING EVER SOLVED MORAL PROBLEMS?LOL"
Is that what God is doing when he floods the earth, trying to solve a problem? That must assume that God does trial and error and that He does not have an over arching plan for everything He does. Isaiah 46:10 says that God declares the end from the beginning. Jesus would pick up on the Flood later to illustrate His return (see Matt 24:36). The flood story and the ark is a shadow of Christ.
@Jman3000 its no assumption god made error if he didnt he wouldnt have said or it wouldnt have been written that god repented'' the day he made man & if he declares a end in the begining why does he get so mad when its his fault than?its his plan right?lol
@factsism11 The wickedness of men grieved God, but it isn't like He didn't know it would happen. God does not approve of evil, but he does allow for it and He punishes it. Yes, it is His plan, but we make our own decisions, God does not make them for us. I think this is called compatibilism. You have a will, make choices and are responsible for the choices. God also has determined what will happen from the beginning one way or another.
@Jman3000 still doesnt make anysense cos u admitted it was gods will & also the bible contradictively admits that & isaiah 45:7 admits god created evil so why wud god grieve when its his fault?lol& if its his plan we still only do things cos its his will nobody die unless god allows it & no child is born unless god wants em 2b so wich 1 is it?enouh with the contradiction,i read the bible & thats why i can admit it god express the contradictory & hypocrisy in human or life period we are jealous
@factsism11 In the context of Isaiah 45:7 "evil" is contrasted with peace or well being. The word is also translated calamity, like a disaster such as a flood. God did not force men to be evil, if He did, he couldn't justly judge them. It isn't God's fault men fell. Yes He planned for it, but He didn't make Adam disobey. It's called compatibilism. Men do evil with out God forcing them to, yet God's plan does not fail. Common example is Joseph being sold into slavery (Gen 37+)
@Jman3000 Joseph's brothers, out of their own evil desire, sold Joseph to Egypt. Joseph later says that it was God that sent him to Egypt in order that many should live. A few chapters later, Joseph says, "As for you [his brothers], you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." What his brothers did was evil, and they were responsible for it. God did not force them to do this evil it was their desire.
@Jman3000 true but joseph brothers isnt the blame god the father is by josseph own admittion so bad things happen by the will of god jacob stole & decieved his father even jesus crucfiction but yet the bible say that blood dont have 2b shed 4forgiveness of sin as well so we only justify god nature but father is who he is & were just like that no excuses 4us & god especially god who can make a better way instead of this but than he wouldnt be good & evil so we gotta take the good with the bad
@Jman3000 piece isnt evil nor do the bible translates it that way any where just show me where god said evil is peace not ur interpretation cos thats not based on fact & god made a a distinct difference beyween peace good & evil never did the bible use them 2the same.matt 7:16 say u can tell a tree by the fruits it bare & god is jealous & wrathfull as writtin & so are we so we cant justify god but say its evil when we do it if we come from god & have god in us how can we be differnt?children
@factsism11 I didn't say that peace was evil. I said that in Isaiah 45:7, the word evil is contrasted with peace. Like day is contrasted to night for example.
@Jman3000 piece isnt evil nor do the bible translates it that way any where just show me where god said evil is peace not ur interpretation cos thats not based on fact & god made a a distinct difference between peace good & evil never did the bible use them 2the same.matt 7:16 say u can tell a tree by the fruits it bare & god is jealous & wrathfull as writtin & so are we so we cant justify god but say its evil when we do it if we come from god & have god in us how can we be differnt?children
@Jman3000 reflects the parent & god is the father so its his fault not ours u failed 2show me anything debunking that god is responsible 4evil cos if its calamity or evil no1 wants it in their life regardless of how the word is sugar coated god say he does these things not man & if killing isnt the solution than why dont god show us a better way without killing?or if anger or wrath is wrong why do he do it?lol any1 else is called a hypocrite,lol why did god make a sheep than created a wolf 2
@Jman3000 2prey on the sheep & whats even worse is the sheep is made 2 feel the pain,thats a evil design so how can we go with out doing evil if god cant?how can we refrain from anger & wrath if god dont?how can we act different than that which we came from?2whom much power is given more responsibilty falls on them & cos every human is born empty of knowledge & only know what were told & god is all knowing & powerful he is responsible by the bible & common sense parents are resonsible 4children
@factsism11 God did not originally create wolves to prey on sheep. What I mean is in the garden, before the fall there wasn't even death. There is also reason to believe that there weren't carnivores until after the flood, because it isn't until after that God allows the eating of animals. In addition, the preflood world was very different than the word we live in today. A man by the name Ian Juby has some videos about it somewhere on the internet along with other info.
@Jman3000 god did creat wolves 2prey on sheep & its no where in reality that u can show me or in the bible that wolves are late creation & the earth was bigger than the garden remember?god created the earth not just a garden on earth so yes theres wasnt sheep eating in there but it was stil a predator like the serpent & if preying on the vulnerable didnt exist y was there a snake in there?that dont make sense,lol why wud god punish animals 4our sin unless its just his nature 2kill?nothing make
@Jman3000 sense except isaiah 45:7 when he take responsibility 4evil he does & god punished every thing on dry land after the flood but u cant drown fish & fish devour each other & its been that way,they dont live in a garden
@Jman3000 who dont sin?even lying is a sin but yet even a 2yr old can do it & the most loving person as well & he that say he has no sin is a lie & let he with out sin cast the 1st stone so thats all of us.
@factsism11 Not once did I say that wolves were a late creation. I did say that before the flood, wolves didn't eat meat. Research the pre-flood world. All creation fell when Adam sinned, even the ground was cursed. If you don't believe me, read Romans.
Why does God condemn murder? Because murder is killing without just cause. Does God kill unjustly? No way. Men fell and all are guilty before God. Everything He does is just, because we don't deserve better.
@Jman3000 ... but a word that means "adversary." Jesus called Peter an adversary. Peter was saying that what mark 8:31 would not happen to Jesus.
Satan [Lucifer] played a role in the death of Jesus, but the pharisees were not innocent, they wanted Him dead.
Forgiveness with out bloodshed is not entirely correct. The blood of Christ covered the sins of God's people of the OT as well. From eternity past, God decreed the coming of Christ for the salvation of His people.
@Jman3000 Why did God chose Jacob over Esau? According to Romans 9, to continue God's purpose of election and to show that election is not based on works, but on Him who calls. He is not obligated to choose anyone, men don't deserve it.
Yes, we are all unrighteous and by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). We can not do enough to become righteous. Our deeds are as dirty rags to God. However, God is both the Just and the Justifier to those who have faith in Jesus (Rom 3:26). It's all Him.
@Jman3000 God is the standard of perfection and He is without sin. Jesus too was with out sin. It is Jesus that came and died in the place of condemned sinners in order that they will receive life eternal.
"Whoever believes in him[Jesus] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." John 3:18
Salvation comes through faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Not a result of works, lest anyone boast in them.
@Jman3000 I don't know how much of the Bible you have read, but it seems to me that you have a lopsided knowledge of the Bible. If you search on Google, you can sites that play audio of someone reading the Bible. I am thinking of a specific site that reads the ESV, It's good to read and listen. Makes it easier for me at least.
I'm going to stop replying after this. I don't think this is the proper place to continue this discussion. If you want to talk more, send me a PM or something.
@Jman3000 god does kill unjust he ordered the killing of children so how is that not unjust?& saying satan isnt a name doesnt answer my question & if satan isnt a name why do god use it in the book of job?who was he talking 2?dont be childish just answer,& why did god allow jesus 2b killed instead of letting man kill satan?where does the bible say the wolf didnt prey on sheep?all i see is man in the garden when i look at genesis but it dont speak 4the whole earth but killing was going on b4 the
@Jman3000 flood ppl were killing & dying & the flood was 2kill what was on land i thought but the fish didnt drown but yet fish kill each other so ur story contradicts it self u claim eating of meat only went on after the flood but ppl were eating meat according 2other translations b4 the flood as well so nature kills cos god kills & everything was design 2eat thats alive if not what else would a spider eat?their design 2kill as well,what else would a serpent eat?
@factsism11 I said I wouldn't reply, but I have a question. Do you believe the Bible is true? If so, when God says that His ways are just in Ezekiel, is He lying? Satan means adversary, In Job, it's talking about The Adversary, who is Lucifer. When Jesus called Peter satan, He wasn't saying that He was a demon.
Of course people were dying before the flood, I didn't say they didn't. Did wolves eat meat on the ark? It would not have kept very well.
@Jman3000 YEA I BELIEVE ITS TRUTH IN THE BIBLE ALONG WITH FALSE HOOD OR DECEPTION ACCORRDING 2 peter saying that it was scriptures made 2decieve & thats part of god being good & evil which would never exist if god never created it & if u dont want ur child being killed or molested why would u put them in that kind of a world where their vulnerabe 4attacks?thats what god did & now were being told 2depend on sinners 2teach sinners how not 2sin,lol thats why u priest touching lil boys cos man is
@Jman3000 is sinful but no1 see it coming cos the bible speaks highly of the church but why would god tell us 2depend on something that can be corupted?thats not perfect system so why tell us 2?that dont make sense if his way is only good.when did i say jesus called peter a demon?lol i said satan & that still dont answer my question. if the wolves didnt eat meat how else did they survive on the ark?& fish didnt run out of food supply but their design 2kill each other & sharks are 2.
@factsism11 I will reply in a Personal Message. I do not wish to use comment because they limit the things that can be said. I also don't like having such a long discussion in comment form. In PM's there is no limit that I am aware of.
@Jman3000 blaming the limit on co,,ents is no excuse 4not answering my questions & how is floding the earth wiping out evil when sin is suppose 2b inherited?lol makes no sense & god already punished man by taking away the tree of life so what was the flood suppose 2accomplish when u ur self admitted that killing dont solve the problem?if noah was blamless why would the bible say all have sin?why do more ppl have 2be killed in order 4us 2have eternal life when god cuda started over again with the
@Jman3000 2nd world?lmao none of this make sense if u doing it 4righteousness,it wud be right 2just get it right the 1st time but if god is good & evil than it wud make sense 4him 2constantly kill ppl knowing that it doesnt solve the problem & as it is written the lord is a man of war''so its clear he created good & evil on purpose like he said just so he can go 2war with it & if not than why not just let sin die off with adam & eve & start again with new man or just get rid of satan b4 man fall
@Jman3000 it doesnt matter if u think peter was a demon or not that wasnt my question nor did i say he was i just stated the fact that jesus called him that cos he wanted 2protect jesus from the will of god that was planed 2kill him on the cross & that wasnt jesus word that was gods plan & jesus prayed 2god 4another way besides being killed especially since god say he can 4give without blood shed but choose not 2,god admit he created evil so uts no1 fault,catholics not the only priest the touch
@Jman3000 boys & they do follow the bible just like any other church so dont try 2exalt ur church over theirs both of yall have hypocritical ways not just catholic & thats cos we have god in us so we dont lways practice what we preach as children like their parents apple dont fall far from the tree & yes peter admits its scriptures that was made 2dcieve=false hood,u dont decieve with truth like u cant show me where wolves a plants in the bible & eternal life was 4man no where did it say beast
@Jman3000 thats just your own interpretation but it doesnt speak 4what was going on all over the earth & u lied & said meat eating wasnt going on b4 the flood but it was according 2other translations & missing books out the bible even books that king david mention
@factsism11 As I read the things you said, I can't help but wonder if you have ever read the Bible, lol. You said that God wiping out man with a flood because they were wicked doesn't make any sense, yet you completely ignore the fact that that is what Gen 6 says. You say that God is not just, yet you ignore every verse that says He is. You also don't seem to understand what a priest is and that the Catholic priesthood is not biblical. God teaches justice. That includes the punishment of evil.
@Jman3000 I you read the book of Romans, you would know that the righteous live by faith. When Abraham had faith in the promises of God, it was accredited to him a righteousness. The blood of Jesus covered him because of his faith. Noah was considered righteous because He had faith in God. Hebrews 11 talks about it some. It's why he was spared. Furthermore, God did not wipe away sin in the flood, but a very wicked generation. It's right there ins Gen 6 if you only read it.
@Jman3000 I could show you quite a few verses that say that God hates wicked things. Do you throw out the book of Hebrews and the Torah when you say God can forgive without bloodshed? Ezekiel 18 says that the soul that sins must die. The punishment for sin is death. Jesus willingly took upon Himself death even though He is perfect taking the wrath of God. The reason Jesus was so afraid was not the death, but the cup of God's wrath that He would drink.
@Jman3000 plus the righteous just dont live by faith vain man,book of james say faith without works is dead & we cant have abraham faith if we didnt see what he seen & jesus & his diciples was there 2see the dead speak on the mountain so how can u have faith like them when they had hard fact evidence at that time?all we do is read a book with contradictions without any real proof.& again it dont make sense 2kill every1 if u not doing it 2rid of sin & the bible say blood is not needed for forgiv
@factsism11 Why should you believe the book of James? You don't believe anything else the Bible says. How do yo know that Isaiah 45:7 is true huh? You said it's a book of contradiction with falsehood in it. How do you determine what in it is false and what is true? Why is Isaiah 45:7 not one of these falsehoods?
Yes, faith results in works, but works alone do not save. If you believe something, you live it. That is what that means. It's faith that save, works follow.
@Jman3000 its u that dont believe in nothing else & thats why u ignore them facts & i know isaiah 45:7 is true just by looking at the stories in their & looking @how god made nature 2work & the fact that a praying mantis 4examp have 2mate with the same female that will bite his head off @the end show me the ways of god or the fact that things must kill 2survive & the fact that earth quakes & hurricans are design 2kill the living.yes works alone wont do it but neither will faith alone either
@factsism11 So you can determine truth just by reading it? Earlier you said, "all we do is read a book with contradictions without any real proof." What if what you think is truth is actually false and what you think is false is true? Ever think of that? It's a real possibility that you can't ignore. You say that God is evil while ignoring the places where the Bibles says otherwise.
@Jman3000 every thing i said is relevant & tell me how it isnt.no i dont just determin by reading i also live in the real world which is a theory that can be tested & no i didnt say that god is only evil i said good & evil & all his friut/works bares witness.
i know blood shed isnt required by the bible testamony 2it & the fact that in the real world or the now''we know if some1 cheat on u in a relationship 4a good'' examp,beating up & killing some1 dont make u feel better or trust that person that wrong u in fact if u love them all u want is their commitment & that explains why in the jonah story the town wasnt destroyed(good) but (evil) explains why god needs 2kill/hurt & keep satan around
@Jman3000 eness so why kill jesus?that still makes no sense & u still wont explain the contradictions outside the idea of god being good & evil nor have u told me why god hated esua when it was jacob who sinned & the the other questions i asked,killing ppl dont wipe out wickedness if no1 is without sin why not send jesus 2save the world the 1st time instead of killing more ppl & children?
@factsism11 Why kill Jesus? Because He was he Lamb that would take away sin. If you studied what the Bible teaches, it might make sense to you.
God chose Jacob over Esau before either one was born. God's election is not based on what we do, but on Him who calls. Read Romans.
God determine that Jesus would come when He did from before creation. If you read through the Bible, you see that God has a plan in motion from the beginning that leads to Jesus. It's the way He did it. To glorify Himself
@Jman3000 DONT MAKE SENSE 2KILL JESUS IF BLOOD SHED ISNT NEEDED AS THE BIBLE ADMITTED & why does some1 have 2b killed just for forgiveness?that makes no sense when it is written 4us 2turn the other cheek & forgive but where are our good examples?cos if some1 have 2pay 4a mistake ow is that 4giving?saying god chose jacob dont expail why god hated esau,u can choose without hate & god chose abraham but he didnt hate lot so u dont make sense but good & evil does & i know god had all this plan from
@factsism11 Why do you think bloodshed isn't required? Have you read the books of the Law? Have you read Hebrews? Jesus wasn't just some guy, He was the eternal Son of God. Do you know why we turn the other cheek? "Vengeance is mine" says the Lord.
Do you know that God blessed Esau and made him into a great nation as well? God chose Jacob to carry the promise made to Abraham.
I'm not talking in these comments anymore. If you want to keep going. SEND ME A PERSONAL MESSAGE!!!!
@Jman3000 why do i think blood shed not required?simple cos of common sense plus its in scripture,how hard is it 2 4give some1 if ur the most powerfull being in existence?when is the last time u killed some body in order 2 4give them?& what do jesus being the son of god have 2do with him having 2get beat up on & killed?lol why are we told 2 4give without blood shed when god who is more powerful choose'' not 2?yes veneance is mine & god is in us so how can we not be vengful?no1 is greater than
@factsism11 Clearly you don't understand the concept of a personal message...
So common sense trumps what the Bible says? The wages of sin is death. Something's got to die. Jesus being the Son has everything to do with it. Read Hebrews. He was the only perfect Human and it wasn't only His physical death that is important, but that He drank the cup of God's wrath.
Why do you think that God is in you? Being vengeful is than opposite of turning the other cheek.
@Jman3000 nothing ppl are still dying & if u say they will go 2heaven now but ppl wee going 2heaven b4 christ & ppl were in torment also according 2 the NT so it changed nothing all it was about was him serving god but nothing changed so what was the point if the world still have 2b destroyed but yrt u claim he died 4it & he was perfect but yet as its written he who say he hs no sin is a lie & i bare witness 2that,i never met 1 who didnt so i know its truth,when asked how 2get 2heaven christ
@Jman3000 said keep the commandments i know that god is in me according to that book & hes in all & thats why we have his attributes jealousy,hatefullness wrath & love also being vengeful thats everything listed about god,o yeah 1more thing killing 2 4give some1 isnt turning the other cheek either so were all alike
@Jman3000 that link u sent still didnt explain anything beyond whats written other than some1 trying 2make it say something other than what it say which means another mans interpretation but god say its I'' that does these things taking resonsibilty as 1 with power should,if something goes wrong that that financially hurts a company who ultimately is responsible?the boss''when the country is in debt orfalls who is the blame?the leader'' so why would some1 whoputs it in the world not be?
@Jman3000 if thats the case the drug dealer isnt wrong either,he/she not making ppl use the drugs.u still havent told me what was so sinful about men building 2gether?maybe cos @ the end of the day god always will find excuses/justification 2kill build or destroy like we do being like him
@Jman3000 u still havent answered my questions & the message u sent me explains nothing cos if ur saying that isaiah is a false prophet than u have 2prove it & ya verse about thetree only proves my point about the contradictions cos the tree of good & evil was called that in the same book not just good or just evil,&its realistic cos u havent shown me any 1 in the world that is completely good or completely evil so thats not false & u havent shown me the proof that god is only good & u just said
@Jman3000 the master but we are like the master as it is written & children are like the parents & we are like god cos were from god everything we are is what god put in us no1 chose their likes or dislikes or gender or race,god blessed esau but he also hated him & u refuse 2tell me what he did 2deserve gods hate,what comandment did he break?god made a promise 2abraham about his seed & esau was also a child of abraham & its no excuse 4them being separated what parent that we call good does that?
@Jman3000 u just said see the friuts the tree bare & what i see is good & evil with in all living things & i see no proof that god is only good & u havent showed me any so it leads me 2believe the false prophets are the 1s that only want u 2see 1 side of god but when we do the same thing god does they will hypocritically call others evil & killing children is evil & god ordered that will 2b done & u have yet 2show me the good in that so saiah is the most honest of all scriptures & its his WILL''
@Jman3000 from the beginig iv been saying this the whole time,lol its no1s fault its gods plan why else would he creat evil?do u raise ur kids like that?do u leave a open bottle of bleach or poison around a 1yr old & say its their choice if they drink it or not?or do the most knowledgeble parent child proof 2protect the child?so why not hide the tree of good & evil if he can hide the good from us?if god wanted glory why even make laws that u know man cant follow?the more laws u make the more
@Jman3000 law breakers u will have & whats even funnier is that god seen adam & eve couldnt follow 1 comandment than he tirns around & gives us 10 more.LMAOOOOO!!!!!!
@Jman3000 ofcourse i read the bible how else would i know so much about god killing children & slavery & killing that never seems 2solve the real problem which is done by god & us being god like,as it is written a man cant be no greater than his master but like his master by jesus own admittion ,i said it dont make sense unless we admit god is good & evil which the bible clearly shows & it say he cause but denying the evil & only claiming god does good is bogus cos any1 else that does these
@factsism11 Is God righteous? and what does that mean?
I can say that God only does good because He sets the standard of good. Again, you ignore where the Bible says that God upholds Justice. Men are evil, that is why He can kill them justly and still be good. We don't deserve any less than His wrath. That is what Justice is, getting what you deserve. We all deserve His wrath, so when He pours it out, He is being Just.
@Jman3000 things would be considered evil but yet god suppose 2be our example tho.lol,isaiah 45:7 explains why we are the way we are & jesus didnt come 2bring pease by his own admittion he came 2turn families against ech other showing hes good & evil & u clearly ignore them scriptures & just cos a person say they are just means very lttile & that why the bible tell us we know the person by their work''know the tree by the fruits it bare & god bare fruits of good & evil so he can be just & unjust
@factsism11 Why are families going to be divided? Because, at that time, believers' family members would turn them over to Rome and maybe the Jews for the faith in Jesus. They were in turn killed in horrible ways. That doesn't show that God is evil, but that men are.
The bible also says that a Good tree CAN NOT bare bad fruit and a bad tree CAN NOT bare good fruit. Is that true too?
@Jman3000 the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholict priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther
@factsism11 "the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholict priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther"
That make absolutely no sense. If you knew anything about what Rome teaches and the Bible for that matter, you would see that they don't line up. Luther's soteriology does. The righteous live by faith, not works.
I want you to read the entire Bible and believe every word it says
@Jman3000 well if we go by the entire bible we have 2accept what james said faith without works is dead & thats why paul went from place 2 place & risking his life wasnt it?he had 2work hard 2spread the message & we also have 2accept the fact god created evil than get angry cos its evil in the world.lmao we are just like that &why not believe the book of james?who said i dont believe in nothing else?i just accept god 4being good & evil as shown & i accept that its false hood also in there but
@factsism11 Evil is the absence of good as darkness is the absence of light. Bible says in John 1 and 1 John that God is light and in Him there is NO darkness. Is that true? God does not make anyone do evil, they are evil on their own.
When you say that God is unjust, but the Bible says He is just, who is right?
@Jman3000 GOD CREATED THE ABSENCE OF GOOD & GOD CREATED THE DARKNESS THAN MADE THE LIGHT & SO what the bible say theres no darkness in god?the bible also say not even the earth or heaven can contain god so where is he?if he is every where dont that mean all is in him & he is in us?so how can darkness not be in him if so? so if every 1 & thing is predestined than no 1chooses its gods choice & he created them the way they are so when the bible say that & u say its not whos right?
@Jman3000 the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholic priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther
@factsism11 "thats just your own interpretation but it doesnt speak 4what was going on all over the earth & u lied & said meat eating wasnt going on b4 the flood"
You say that other translations and "missing books" say otherwise. Show me
@Jman3000 god stopped man from eating from the tree of life but didnt stop able from being killed thats evil but god giving us life is good,god plagued pharo cos he didnt know that was abrahams wife but didnt stop jacob from stealing from his brother but both were decendents from abraham why the favortism?good & evil,were just like him or the story of sodom god said if there be 1righteous but lot was 1 that was righteous there,lol so dont get me wrong im not against god but i am honest.
@factsism11 God stopped some people from doing wrong and didn't stop others for His purposes. God restrains the evil in people. If He doesn't people do what they desire, which is evil. It's a very evil thing to kill the Son of God. Yet God intended it to happen in order to redeem His people. God used the evil desire of men to serve His purpose. But He did not force them to do it, they chose to on their own. By removing His restraint It hardens them because the become who they are, God haters
@Jman3000 god stopping some ppl from doing wrong but also blessing others 4doing the same is my point about good & evil of his nature & if we can blame bush 4not responding correctly 2katrina knowing he had the power 2stop it than why wouldnt we hold god up2 that same responsibility?if u can stop a murder but dont ur guilty as well especially if u have the power 2stop some1 from getting raped or molested but u just watch,what kinda plan is that?if we got god as our example we shouldnt be mad
@Jman3000@each other when we do the same if were being less powerfull as him & what since do it make 2let jesus 2b killed by man when its the devil that did it?shouldnt he be left 2us 2punish & not a innocent man?why is it no1 innocent can go2 jail 4some1 guilty by law if thats what u believe?the bible clearly states u can ask 4 forgiveness without blood shed,even the town jonah was sent 2 was spared with out blood shed,they just simply repented.it was written so it was god intentions & jesus
@Jman3000 it explains why the world including me accorse are the way we are but it was main stream religious hypocrites that divided the ways of god making him 1 deminsional but yet all powerful which left a bunch ?s & no answers until i read my self even christ is coming back killing,lol
@factsism11 Who is Christ coming back to kill? The unrighteous I believe. But no one is righteous but those God justifies (Romans). The Bible is very clear that God is the only thing that is good and righteous. Jesus says that no one is good but One [God]. 1 John says that God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. That means that everything He does is good and just and righteous and holy.
@Jman3000 even called his diciple the devil from tring 2stop it from happening saying get thee behind me satan just cos peter said he would protect him & jesus asked god 4another way b4 he was crucified,proof that gods will is done on earth & heavan no1 is choosing if god is making it happen & ppl including jesus prayed 4another way & god hated esua 4what reason?but love jacob 4what reason?1is a deciever & the other is what?u say christ is coming back 2kill the unrighteous but that all of us
It seems that God wanted humans to be as one on his terms and his reasons alone God seems short sighted there because he could have used this as a oportunity for worship of him and he did not use it that shows he is not real the message of this story seems to say we should not trust others that speak another language then us because God does not want us to trust them
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@Jmam3000 u clearly contradict ur self just like the bible we read from which is proof that were just like the most high because of ur error.yea common sense trumps many things & thats why god forgave sin with out killing @times & every1 in the bible didnt die like enoch 4 examp or elijah so ur wrong,ppl only live die & sin cos god created it & that was his plan from the begining as we both admitted & god was always within man according 2the old testament christ getting beat up & killed changed
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jmam3000 u clearly contradict ur self just like the bible we read from which is proof that were just like the most high because of ur error.yea common sense trumps manythings & thats why god forgave sin with out killing @times & every1 in the bible didnt die like enoch 4 examp or elijah so ur wrong,ppl only live die & sin cos god created it & that was his plan from the begining as we both admitted & god was always within man according 2the old testament christ getting beat up & killed changed
factsism11 8 months ago
Great Videos!
confident824 1 year ago
"God" is an early term used by premature man to describe the visitors outside of this planet. Those who were significantly highly technically more evolved then those on the surface of this planet. The term "Alien or ET" is used to declair these visitors in modern day.
confident824 1 year ago
OK I AGREE WITH THIS VIDEO
but not the 9/11 picture
Anyone who knows anything about politics knows that al-qaeda knocked down the towers and not Islam
Religion is stil stupid 90% of the time though
bevon17 1 year ago
AHHH PENIS!!! VAGINA!!
ewwy
bevon17 1 year ago
Where is 3/3?
gagnashdiak 1 year ago
@gagnashdiak 3/3 has not yet been made. Maybe one day when I am not inundated with work, I will get around to it!
Captain42x 1 year ago
Where does it say man would have become invincible?
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 As I noted in the video... (god speaking):
Genesis 11:6 NIV :
"The LORD said, "If as one people speaking the same language they have begun to do this, then nothing they plan to do will be impossible for them."
Captain42x 1 year ago
@Captain42x
Do you see a connection between Genesis 6:5 and Genesis 11:6?
There is also a connection between Genesis 9:1 and Genesis 11:4
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000
6:5 - God is upset that he made humans and they are so "evil" (Guess he wasn't able to see the future when he made us)
11:6 - With their unity, the humans can do anything they want.
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9:1 - God has given humans dominion over the animals after the flood.
11:4 - the humans decide to build a big tower so that they will be famous and not scattered all over the earth.
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So, would you care to elaborate on the "connection" you are seeing between these passages?
Captain42x 1 year ago
@Captain42x
6:5 talks about their wicked imaginations
11:6 says anything they will be able to do anything they imagine
Jerimiah 17:9 says, "The heart is deceitful above all things, and desperately sick; who can understand it?"
Humanity was going back to the way it was before God sent the flood
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9:1 God tells man to fill the earth
11:4 humans decide stay in one place
They were disobeying God.
Jman3000 1 year ago
@Jman3000 THAT STILL DOESNT MAKE SENSE GOD GAVE MAN DOMINION & NEVER COMANDED THEM NOT 2BUILD IN 1PLACE IF I GIVE U DOMINION OVER A CAR HOW DOES THAT EXEMPT U 2KEEP IT PARKED?& IF U DONT HAVE THAT CHOICE THAN U DONT HAVE DOMINION I DO
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 The specific command given to Noah was to fill the earth (9:1). Now, is staying in a single area the opposite of filling the earth? Remember that this is after the fall, so does the command given specifically given to Adam before the fall still apply? I don't know. There is a similarity, but there is no talk of subduing the earth nor having dominion over animals. Rather the animals will fear humans. Perhaps in a sense man has lost their place in creation they once had.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 the bible never said they was only going 2stay in 1 aera thats ur assumption nor did it say in the bible god confound them 4that & what ur saying still dont make sense cos the majority of the times they /each race understood each rac they encountered regardless of migration
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Lets just look at the text for a moment. People migrated west, the found a plain and decided to build a city and a tower. The reason was so they would make a name for themselves lest they be dispersed over the earth. The plain is the area I'm talking about. The decided to settle there. I think the reason for building may play a big part, specifically to make a name for themselves.
Will you reword the last bit about the migration, I don't understand what you are saying.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 like he is & i admit that but ppl like u hate them scriptures that show that & try 2make it mean something other than what it say with no proof,it says what it says yall even le & say god dont like war but the old testament say the lord is a man of war & that explains why we love it as well & them building a city dont make sense 2 separate their language cos they all spoke 1 language & built cities in the begining b4 the flood & god justification was man is violent,tan when man build 2
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 work 2gether he separates them but y?their not commiting violent acts nor was it any proof humans wud only settle in 1 area they never done that in human history historically or biblically so its clear its only excuses god make 2start wars with humanity & its easy 2understand cos we do the same thing also so im accepting god 4his true nature not blaming human being 4it.no 1 with extraordinary power like god would get angry over something so pettie unless he was like man,lol.
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 I think you are right in that they would have not only stayed in a single spot on the earth. Gen 11:2 suggests that there were other groups of people around other than those in Shinar. Meaning people were spreading. The issue is that a group decided to build a city in order to keep from dispersing. God confused the languages in order to insure that did not happen, at least for some time. This isn't long before God calls Abraham and possibly played a role in some way.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 2ND IF THE ANGELS STARTED THE WAR/REBELION THAN WHAT DOES KILLING EVERY THING ACCOMPLISH IF THE FALLEN STILL EXIST?WHEN HAVE MAN KILLING OR GOD KILLING EVER SOLVED MORAL PROBLEMS?LOL
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 "WHEN HAVE MAN KILLING OR GOD KILLING EVER SOLVED MORAL PROBLEMS?LOL"
Is that what God is doing when he floods the earth, trying to solve a problem? That must assume that God does trial and error and that He does not have an over arching plan for everything He does. Isaiah 46:10 says that God declares the end from the beginning. Jesus would pick up on the Flood later to illustrate His return (see Matt 24:36). The flood story and the ark is a shadow of Christ.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 its no assumption god made error if he didnt he wouldnt have said or it wouldnt have been written that god repented'' the day he made man & if he declares a end in the begining why does he get so mad when its his fault than?its his plan right?lol
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 The wickedness of men grieved God, but it isn't like He didn't know it would happen. God does not approve of evil, but he does allow for it and He punishes it. Yes, it is His plan, but we make our own decisions, God does not make them for us. I think this is called compatibilism. You have a will, make choices and are responsible for the choices. God also has determined what will happen from the beginning one way or another.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 still doesnt make anysense cos u admitted it was gods will & also the bible contradictively admits that & isaiah 45:7 admits god created evil so why wud god grieve when its his fault?lol& if its his plan we still only do things cos its his will nobody die unless god allows it & no child is born unless god wants em 2b so wich 1 is it?enouh with the contradiction,i read the bible & thats why i can admit it god express the contradictory & hypocrisy in human or life period we are jealous
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 In the context of Isaiah 45:7 "evil" is contrasted with peace or well being. The word is also translated calamity, like a disaster such as a flood. God did not force men to be evil, if He did, he couldn't justly judge them. It isn't God's fault men fell. Yes He planned for it, but He didn't make Adam disobey. It's called compatibilism. Men do evil with out God forcing them to, yet God's plan does not fail. Common example is Joseph being sold into slavery (Gen 37+)
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 Joseph's brothers, out of their own evil desire, sold Joseph to Egypt. Joseph later says that it was God that sent him to Egypt in order that many should live. A few chapters later, Joseph says, "As for you [his brothers], you meant evil against me, but God meant it for good, to bring it about that many people should be kept alive, as they are today." What his brothers did was evil, and they were responsible for it. God did not force them to do this evil it was their desire.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 true but joseph brothers isnt the blame god the father is by josseph own admittion so bad things happen by the will of god jacob stole & decieved his father even jesus crucfiction but yet the bible say that blood dont have 2b shed 4forgiveness of sin as well so we only justify god nature but father is who he is & were just like that no excuses 4us & god especially god who can make a better way instead of this but than he wouldnt be good & evil so we gotta take the good with the bad
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 piece isnt evil nor do the bible translates it that way any where just show me where god said evil is peace not ur interpretation cos thats not based on fact & god made a a distinct difference beyween peace good & evil never did the bible use them 2the same.matt 7:16 say u can tell a tree by the fruits it bare & god is jealous & wrathfull as writtin & so are we so we cant justify god but say its evil when we do it if we come from god & have god in us how can we be differnt?children
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 I didn't say that peace was evil. I said that in Isaiah 45:7, the word evil is contrasted with peace. Like day is contrasted to night for example.
God's wrath us just, man's is not always.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 piece isnt evil nor do the bible translates it that way any where just show me where god said evil is peace not ur interpretation cos thats not based on fact & god made a a distinct difference between peace good & evil never did the bible use them 2the same.matt 7:16 say u can tell a tree by the fruits it bare & god is jealous & wrathfull as writtin & so are we so we cant justify god but say its evil when we do it if we come from god & have god in us how can we be differnt?children
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 reflects the parent & god is the father so its his fault not ours u failed 2show me anything debunking that god is responsible 4evil cos if its calamity or evil no1 wants it in their life regardless of how the word is sugar coated god say he does these things not man & if killing isnt the solution than why dont god show us a better way without killing?or if anger or wrath is wrong why do he do it?lol any1 else is called a hypocrite,lol why did god make a sheep than created a wolf 2
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 2prey on the sheep & whats even worse is the sheep is made 2 feel the pain,thats a evil design so how can we go with out doing evil if god cant?how can we refrain from anger & wrath if god dont?how can we act different than that which we came from?2whom much power is given more responsibilty falls on them & cos every human is born empty of knowledge & only know what were told & god is all knowing & powerful he is responsible by the bible & common sense parents are resonsible 4children
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 God did not originally create wolves to prey on sheep. What I mean is in the garden, before the fall there wasn't even death. There is also reason to believe that there weren't carnivores until after the flood, because it isn't until after that God allows the eating of animals. In addition, the preflood world was very different than the word we live in today. A man by the name Ian Juby has some videos about it somewhere on the internet along with other info.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 god did creat wolves 2prey on sheep & its no where in reality that u can show me or in the bible that wolves are late creation & the earth was bigger than the garden remember?god created the earth not just a garden on earth so yes theres wasnt sheep eating in there but it was stil a predator like the serpent & if preying on the vulnerable didnt exist y was there a snake in there?that dont make sense,lol why wud god punish animals 4our sin unless its just his nature 2kill?nothing make
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 sense except isaiah 45:7 when he take responsibility 4evil he does
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 sense except isaiah 45:7 when he take responsibility 4evil he does & god punished every thing on dry land after the flood but u cant drown fish & fish devour each other & its been that way,they dont live in a garden
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 who dont sin?even lying is a sin but yet even a 2yr old can do it & the most loving person as well & he that say he has no sin is a lie & let he with out sin cast the 1st stone so thats all of us.
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Not once did I say that wolves were a late creation. I did say that before the flood, wolves didn't eat meat. Research the pre-flood world. All creation fell when Adam sinned, even the ground was cursed. If you don't believe me, read Romans.
Why does God condemn murder? Because murder is killing without just cause. Does God kill unjustly? No way. Men fell and all are guilty before God. Everything He does is just, because we don't deserve better.
Satan is not a name...
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 ... but a word that means "adversary." Jesus called Peter an adversary. Peter was saying that what mark 8:31 would not happen to Jesus.
Satan [Lucifer] played a role in the death of Jesus, but the pharisees were not innocent, they wanted Him dead.
Forgiveness with out bloodshed is not entirely correct. The blood of Christ covered the sins of God's people of the OT as well. From eternity past, God decreed the coming of Christ for the salvation of His people.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 Why did God chose Jacob over Esau? According to Romans 9, to continue God's purpose of election and to show that election is not based on works, but on Him who calls. He is not obligated to choose anyone, men don't deserve it.
Yes, we are all unrighteous and by nature children of wrath (Ephesians 2:3). We can not do enough to become righteous. Our deeds are as dirty rags to God. However, God is both the Just and the Justifier to those who have faith in Jesus (Rom 3:26). It's all Him.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 God is the standard of perfection and He is without sin. Jesus too was with out sin. It is Jesus that came and died in the place of condemned sinners in order that they will receive life eternal.
"Whoever believes in him[Jesus] is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God." John 3:18
Salvation comes through faith in Christ and His sacrifice. Not a result of works, lest anyone boast in them.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 I don't know how much of the Bible you have read, but it seems to me that you have a lopsided knowledge of the Bible. If you search on Google, you can sites that play audio of someone reading the Bible. I am thinking of a specific site that reads the ESV, It's good to read and listen. Makes it easier for me at least.
I'm going to stop replying after this. I don't think this is the proper place to continue this discussion. If you want to talk more, send me a PM or something.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 god does kill unjust he ordered the killing of children so how is that not unjust?& saying satan isnt a name doesnt answer my question & if satan isnt a name why do god use it in the book of job?who was he talking 2?dont be childish just answer,& why did god allow jesus 2b killed instead of letting man kill satan?where does the bible say the wolf didnt prey on sheep?all i see is man in the garden when i look at genesis but it dont speak 4the whole earth but killing was going on b4 the
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 flood ppl were killing & dying & the flood was 2kill what was on land i thought but the fish didnt drown but yet fish kill each other so ur story contradicts it self u claim eating of meat only went on after the flood but ppl were eating meat according 2other translations b4 the flood as well so nature kills cos god kills & everything was design 2eat thats alive if not what else would a spider eat?their design 2kill as well,what else would a serpent eat?
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 I said I wouldn't reply, but I have a question. Do you believe the Bible is true? If so, when God says that His ways are just in Ezekiel, is He lying? Satan means adversary, In Job, it's talking about The Adversary, who is Lucifer. When Jesus called Peter satan, He wasn't saying that He was a demon.
Of course people were dying before the flood, I didn't say they didn't. Did wolves eat meat on the ark? It would not have kept very well.
If you wish to continue this talk, send me a PM
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 YEA I BELIEVE ITS TRUTH IN THE BIBLE ALONG WITH FALSE HOOD OR DECEPTION ACCORRDING 2 peter saying that it was scriptures made 2decieve & thats part of god being good & evil which would never exist if god never created it & if u dont want ur child being killed or molested why would u put them in that kind of a world where their vulnerabe 4attacks?thats what god did & now were being told 2depend on sinners 2teach sinners how not 2sin,lol thats why u priest touching lil boys cos man is
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 is sinful but no1 see it coming cos the bible speaks highly of the church but why would god tell us 2depend on something that can be corupted?thats not perfect system so why tell us 2?that dont make sense if his way is only good.when did i say jesus called peter a demon?lol i said satan & that still dont answer my question. if the wolves didnt eat meat how else did they survive on the ark?& fish didnt run out of food supply but their design 2kill each other & sharks are 2.
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 I will reply in a Personal Message. I do not wish to use comment because they limit the things that can be said. I also don't like having such a long discussion in comment form. In PM's there is no limit that I am aware of.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 but what was the point of the flood if ppl were dying any way?
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 To wipe out wicked men as stated in Genesis 6. He saved Noah because He was blameless ie, not wicked, but righteous.
Check your Youtube Inbox for other stuff i said if you haven't already.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 blaming the limit on co,,ents is no excuse 4not answering my questions & how is floding the earth wiping out evil when sin is suppose 2b inherited?lol makes no sense & god already punished man by taking away the tree of life so what was the flood suppose 2accomplish when u ur self admitted that killing dont solve the problem?if noah was blamless why would the bible say all have sin?why do more ppl have 2be killed in order 4us 2have eternal life when god cuda started over again with the
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 2nd world?lmao none of this make sense if u doing it 4righteousness,it wud be right 2just get it right the 1st time but if god is good & evil than it wud make sense 4him 2constantly kill ppl knowing that it doesnt solve the problem & as it is written the lord is a man of war''so its clear he created good & evil on purpose like he said just so he can go 2war with it & if not than why not just let sin die off with adam & eve & start again with new man or just get rid of satan b4 man fall
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 it doesnt matter if u think peter was a demon or not that wasnt my question nor did i say he was i just stated the fact that jesus called him that cos he wanted 2protect jesus from the will of god that was planed 2kill him on the cross & that wasnt jesus word that was gods plan & jesus prayed 2god 4another way besides being killed especially since god say he can 4give without blood shed but choose not 2,god admit he created evil so uts no1 fault,catholics not the only priest the touch
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 boys & they do follow the bible just like any other church so dont try 2exalt ur church over theirs both of yall have hypocritical ways not just catholic & thats cos we have god in us so we dont lways practice what we preach as children like their parents apple dont fall far from the tree & yes peter admits its scriptures that was made 2dcieve=false hood,u dont decieve with truth like u cant show me where wolves a plants in the bible & eternal life was 4man no where did it say beast
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 thats just your own interpretation but it doesnt speak 4what was going on all over the earth & u lied & said meat eating wasnt going on b4 the flood but it was according 2other translations & missing books out the bible even books that king david mention
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 As I read the things you said, I can't help but wonder if you have ever read the Bible, lol. You said that God wiping out man with a flood because they were wicked doesn't make any sense, yet you completely ignore the fact that that is what Gen 6 says. You say that God is not just, yet you ignore every verse that says He is. You also don't seem to understand what a priest is and that the Catholic priesthood is not biblical. God teaches justice. That includes the punishment of evil.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 I you read the book of Romans, you would know that the righteous live by faith. When Abraham had faith in the promises of God, it was accredited to him a righteousness. The blood of Jesus covered him because of his faith. Noah was considered righteous because He had faith in God. Hebrews 11 talks about it some. It's why he was spared. Furthermore, God did not wipe away sin in the flood, but a very wicked generation. It's right there ins Gen 6 if you only read it.
Jman3000 8 months ago
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Jman3000 8 months ago
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@Jman3000 I could show you quite a few verses that say that God hates wicked things. Do you throw out the book of Hebrews and the Torah when you say God can forgive without bloodshed? Ezekiel 18 says that the soul that sins must die. The punishment for sin is death. Jesus willingly took upon Himself death even though He is perfect taking the wrath of God. The reason Jesus was so afraid was not the death, but the cup of God's wrath that He would drink.
Seriously, reply to my PM not the comment
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 plus the righteous just dont live by faith vain man,book of james say faith without works is dead & we cant have abraham faith if we didnt see what he seen & jesus & his diciples was there 2see the dead speak on the mountain so how can u have faith like them when they had hard fact evidence at that time?all we do is read a book with contradictions without any real proof.& again it dont make sense 2kill every1 if u not doing it 2rid of sin & the bible say blood is not needed for forgiv
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Why should you believe the book of James? You don't believe anything else the Bible says. How do yo know that Isaiah 45:7 is true huh? You said it's a book of contradiction with falsehood in it. How do you determine what in it is false and what is true? Why is Isaiah 45:7 not one of these falsehoods?
Yes, faith results in works, but works alone do not save. If you believe something, you live it. That is what that means. It's faith that save, works follow.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 its u that dont believe in nothing else & thats why u ignore them facts & i know isaiah 45:7 is true just by looking at the stories in their & looking @how god made nature 2work & the fact that a praying mantis 4examp have 2mate with the same female that will bite his head off @the end show me the ways of god or the fact that things must kill 2survive & the fact that earth quakes & hurricans are design 2kill the living.yes works alone wont do it but neither will faith alone either
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 So you can determine truth just by reading it? Earlier you said, "all we do is read a book with contradictions without any real proof." What if what you think is truth is actually false and what you think is false is true? Ever think of that? It's a real possibility that you can't ignore. You say that God is evil while ignoring the places where the Bibles says otherwise.
Jman3000 8 months ago
faith without works is dead,works brings life & god made the world in 6days & rested from his ''WORKS''
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Sorry, but that is irrelevant. You are trying to compare to completely different things.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 every thing i said is relevant & tell me how it isnt.no i dont just determin by reading i also live in the real world which is a theory that can be tested & no i didnt say that god is only evil i said good & evil & all his friut/works bares witness.
factsism11 8 months ago
i know blood shed isnt required by the bible testamony 2it & the fact that in the real world or the now''we know if some1 cheat on u in a relationship 4a good'' examp,beating up & killing some1 dont make u feel better or trust that person that wrong u in fact if u love them all u want is their commitment & that explains why in the jonah story the town wasnt destroyed(good) but (evil) explains why god needs 2kill/hurt & keep satan around
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 eness so why kill jesus?that still makes no sense & u still wont explain the contradictions outside the idea of god being good & evil nor have u told me why god hated esua when it was jacob who sinned & the the other questions i asked,killing ppl dont wipe out wickedness if no1 is without sin why not send jesus 2save the world the 1st time instead of killing more ppl & children?
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Why kill Jesus? Because He was he Lamb that would take away sin. If you studied what the Bible teaches, it might make sense to you.
God chose Jacob over Esau before either one was born. God's election is not based on what we do, but on Him who calls. Read Romans.
God determine that Jesus would come when He did from before creation. If you read through the Bible, you see that God has a plan in motion from the beginning that leads to Jesus. It's the way He did it. To glorify Himself
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 DONT MAKE SENSE 2KILL JESUS IF BLOOD SHED ISNT NEEDED AS THE BIBLE ADMITTED & why does some1 have 2b killed just for forgiveness?that makes no sense when it is written 4us 2turn the other cheek & forgive but where are our good examples?cos if some1 have 2pay 4a mistake ow is that 4giving?saying god chose jacob dont expail why god hated esau,u can choose without hate & god chose abraham but he didnt hate lot so u dont make sense but good & evil does & i know god had all this plan from
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Why do you think bloodshed isn't required? Have you read the books of the Law? Have you read Hebrews? Jesus wasn't just some guy, He was the eternal Son of God. Do you know why we turn the other cheek? "Vengeance is mine" says the Lord.
Do you know that God blessed Esau and made him into a great nation as well? God chose Jacob to carry the promise made to Abraham.
I'm not talking in these comments anymore. If you want to keep going. SEND ME A PERSONAL MESSAGE!!!!
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 why do i think blood shed not required?simple cos of common sense plus its in scripture,how hard is it 2 4give some1 if ur the most powerfull being in existence?when is the last time u killed some body in order 2 4give them?& what do jesus being the son of god have 2do with him having 2get beat up on & killed?lol why are we told 2 4give without blood shed when god who is more powerful choose'' not 2?yes veneance is mine & god is in us so how can we not be vengful?no1 is greater than
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Clearly you don't understand the concept of a personal message...
So common sense trumps what the Bible says? The wages of sin is death. Something's got to die. Jesus being the Son has everything to do with it. Read Hebrews. He was the only perfect Human and it wasn't only His physical death that is important, but that He drank the cup of God's wrath.
Why do you think that God is in you? Being vengeful is than opposite of turning the other cheek.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 nothing ppl are still dying & if u say they will go 2heaven now but ppl wee going 2heaven b4 christ & ppl were in torment also according 2 the NT so it changed nothing all it was about was him serving god but nothing changed so what was the point if the world still have 2b destroyed but yrt u claim he died 4it & he was perfect but yet as its written he who say he hs no sin is a lie & i bare witness 2that,i never met 1 who didnt so i know its truth,when asked how 2get 2heaven christ
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 said keep the commandments i know that god is in me according to that book & hes in all & thats why we have his attributes jealousy,hatefullness wrath & love also being vengeful thats everything listed about god,o yeah 1more thing killing 2 4give some1 isnt turning the other cheek either so were all alike
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 that link u sent still didnt explain anything beyond whats written other than some1 trying 2make it say something other than what it say which means another mans interpretation but god say its I'' that does these things taking resonsibilty as 1 with power should,if something goes wrong that that financially hurts a company who ultimately is responsible?the boss''when the country is in debt orfalls who is the blame?the leader'' so why would some1 whoputs it in the world not be?
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 if thats the case the drug dealer isnt wrong either,he/she not making ppl use the drugs.u still havent told me what was so sinful about men building 2gether?maybe cos @ the end of the day god always will find excuses/justification 2kill build or destroy like we do being like him
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 u still havent answered my questions & the message u sent me explains nothing cos if ur saying that isaiah is a false prophet than u have 2prove it & ya verse about thetree only proves my point about the contradictions cos the tree of good & evil was called that in the same book not just good or just evil,&its realistic cos u havent shown me any 1 in the world that is completely good or completely evil so thats not false & u havent shown me the proof that god is only good & u just said
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 the master but we are like the master as it is written & children are like the parents & we are like god cos were from god everything we are is what god put in us no1 chose their likes or dislikes or gender or race,god blessed esau but he also hated him & u refuse 2tell me what he did 2deserve gods hate,what comandment did he break?god made a promise 2abraham about his seed & esau was also a child of abraham & its no excuse 4them being separated what parent that we call good does that?
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 u just said see the friuts the tree bare & what i see is good & evil with in all living things & i see no proof that god is only good & u havent showed me any so it leads me 2believe the false prophets are the 1s that only want u 2see 1 side of god but when we do the same thing god does they will hypocritically call others evil & killing children is evil & god ordered that will 2b done & u have yet 2show me the good in that so saiah is the most honest of all scriptures & its his WILL''
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 from the beginig iv been saying this the whole time,lol its no1s fault its gods plan why else would he creat evil?do u raise ur kids like that?do u leave a open bottle of bleach or poison around a 1yr old & say its their choice if they drink it or not?or do the most knowledgeble parent child proof 2protect the child?so why not hide the tree of good & evil if he can hide the good from us?if god wanted glory why even make laws that u know man cant follow?the more laws u make the more
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 law breakers u will have & whats even funnier is that god seen adam & eve couldnt follow 1 comandment than he tirns around & gives us 10 more.LMAOOOOO!!!!!!
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 ofcourse i read the bible how else would i know so much about god killing children & slavery & killing that never seems 2solve the real problem which is done by god & us being god like,as it is written a man cant be no greater than his master but like his master by jesus own admittion ,i said it dont make sense unless we admit god is good & evil which the bible clearly shows & it say he cause but denying the evil & only claiming god does good is bogus cos any1 else that does these
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Is God righteous? and what does that mean?
I can say that God only does good because He sets the standard of good. Again, you ignore where the Bible says that God upholds Justice. Men are evil, that is why He can kill them justly and still be good. We don't deserve any less than His wrath. That is what Justice is, getting what you deserve. We all deserve His wrath, so when He pours it out, He is being Just.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 things would be considered evil but yet god suppose 2be our example tho.lol,isaiah 45:7 explains why we are the way we are & jesus didnt come 2bring pease by his own admittion he came 2turn families against ech other showing hes good & evil & u clearly ignore them scriptures & just cos a person say they are just means very lttile & that why the bible tell us we know the person by their work''know the tree by the fruits it bare & god bare fruits of good & evil so he can be just & unjust
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Why are families going to be divided? Because, at that time, believers' family members would turn them over to Rome and maybe the Jews for the faith in Jesus. They were in turn killed in horrible ways. That doesn't show that God is evil, but that men are.
The bible also says that a Good tree CAN NOT bare bad fruit and a bad tree CAN NOT bare good fruit. Is that true too?
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholict priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 "the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholict priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther"
That make absolutely no sense. If you knew anything about what Rome teaches and the Bible for that matter, you would see that they don't line up. Luther's soteriology does. The righteous live by faith, not works.
I want you to read the entire Bible and believe every word it says
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 well if we go by the entire bible we have 2accept what james said faith without works is dead & thats why paul went from place 2 place & risking his life wasnt it?he had 2work hard 2spread the message & we also have 2accept the fact god created evil than get angry cos its evil in the world.lmao we are just like that &why not believe the book of james?who said i dont believe in nothing else?i just accept god 4being good & evil as shown & i accept that its false hood also in there but
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Evil is the absence of good as darkness is the absence of light. Bible says in John 1 and 1 John that God is light and in Him there is NO darkness. Is that true? God does not make anyone do evil, they are evil on their own.
When you say that God is unjust, but the Bible says He is just, who is right?
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 GOD CREATED THE ABSENCE OF GOOD & GOD CREATED THE DARKNESS THAN MADE THE LIGHT & SO what the bible say theres no darkness in god?the bible also say not even the earth or heaven can contain god so where is he?if he is every where dont that mean all is in him & he is in us?so how can darkness not be in him if so? so if every 1 & thing is predestined than no 1chooses its gods choice & he created them the way they are so when the bible say that & u say its not whos right?
factsism11 8 months ago
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@Jman3000 the killing of kids is evil if touching little boys is also & church priest & catholic priest done that & if their not biblical neither is the other churches who had a late start from martin luther
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 "thats just your own interpretation but it doesnt speak 4what was going on all over the earth & u lied & said meat eating wasnt going on b4 the flood"
You say that other translations and "missing books" say otherwise. Show me
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 god stopped man from eating from the tree of life but didnt stop able from being killed thats evil but god giving us life is good,god plagued pharo cos he didnt know that was abrahams wife but didnt stop jacob from stealing from his brother but both were decendents from abraham why the favortism?good & evil,were just like him or the story of sodom god said if there be 1righteous but lot was 1 that was righteous there,lol so dont get me wrong im not against god but i am honest.
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 God stopped some people from doing wrong and didn't stop others for His purposes. God restrains the evil in people. If He doesn't people do what they desire, which is evil. It's a very evil thing to kill the Son of God. Yet God intended it to happen in order to redeem His people. God used the evil desire of men to serve His purpose. But He did not force them to do it, they chose to on their own. By removing His restraint It hardens them because the become who they are, God haters
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 god stopping some ppl from doing wrong but also blessing others 4doing the same is my point about good & evil of his nature & if we can blame bush 4not responding correctly 2katrina knowing he had the power 2stop it than why wouldnt we hold god up2 that same responsibility?if u can stop a murder but dont ur guilty as well especially if u have the power 2stop some1 from getting raped or molested but u just watch,what kinda plan is that?if we got god as our example we shouldnt be mad
factsism11 8 months ago
@Jman3000 @each other when we do the same if were being less powerfull as him & what since do it make 2let jesus 2b killed by man when its the devil that did it?shouldnt he be left 2us 2punish & not a innocent man?why is it no1 innocent can go2 jail 4some1 guilty by law if thats what u believe?the bible clearly states u can ask 4 forgiveness without blood shed,even the town jonah was sent 2 was spared with out blood shed,they just simply repented.it was written so it was god intentions & jesus
factsism11 8 months ago
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Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 it explains why the world including me accorse are the way we are but it was main stream religious hypocrites that divided the ways of god making him 1 deminsional but yet all powerful which left a bunch ?s & no answers until i read my self even christ is coming back killing,lol
factsism11 8 months ago
@factsism11 Who is Christ coming back to kill? The unrighteous I believe. But no one is righteous but those God justifies (Romans). The Bible is very clear that God is the only thing that is good and righteous. Jesus says that no one is good but One [God]. 1 John says that God is light and in Him there is no darkness at all. That means that everything He does is good and just and righteous and holy.
Jman3000 8 months ago
@Jman3000 even called his diciple the devil from tring 2stop it from happening saying get thee behind me satan just cos peter said he would protect him & jesus asked god 4another way b4 he was crucified,proof that gods will is done on earth & heavan no1 is choosing if god is making it happen & ppl including jesus prayed 4another way & god hated esua 4what reason?but love jacob 4what reason?1is a deciever & the other is what?u say christ is coming back 2kill the unrighteous but that all of us
factsism11 8 months ago
It seems that God wanted humans to be as one on his terms and his reasons alone God seems short sighted there because he could have used this as a oportunity for worship of him and he did not use it that shows he is not real the message of this story seems to say we should not trust others that speak another language then us because God does not want us to trust them
fallbread 2 years ago
excelent vid
fallbread 2 years ago
Great vid, looking forward to the next one!
ImTheMostViewed 2 years ago
Hey, I'm glad you like it. I'll try to have another up by the end of January, because after that I won't have much time.
Captain42x 2 years ago
Whats the point of this. Other then explaining it as it is nothing really different then what it is. So whats the objective of this observation.
TauBroadside 2 years ago
It may seem clear to you, it is often overlooked and misrepresented.
Captain42x 2 years ago
keep up the great work
cosmicjackpot 2 years ago
Thanks for watching, cosmicjackpot.
Captain42x 2 years ago
Perfect reasoning, as per usual.
FieroRumor 2 years ago
Glad you liked it. Did you prefer the new color scheme or the old collage?
Captain42x 2 years ago