Venezuelan Students

[lunatir]

In Germany the media also attacked the left party as extreme or chaotic clowns.

And I know this is not true.

Since 98 the opposition in Venezuela make Chavez to a murder or corrupt thief.

If Bolivia would has Oil the media would make Morales to the evil of the planet.

I dont believe in such propaganda and dont let poison me.

You should be proud that Chavez and other presidents stop Bushs "ALCA" or create the Bank of the South.

Thats very important for a independent Latinamerica.

[jorgex2000]

You know its impossible to argue with you cuz you are so brainwashed, or your ideals are so fucked up ... Chavez is just another asshole , soon he will pay for what he has done. Oh by the way now in venezuela children cant play with action toys , such as transformers ,etc Why? because chavez says they are VIOLENT . Fuck chavez .You will see soon enough when Venezuelans really get pissed off and kick chavez out. Soon very soon.. I'll bet you wouldnt last a day living in Venezuela.

[lunatir]

You dont argue because you cant.

You are full of hate and I hope you dont get a weapon.

I dont think that Chavez is God, but I think he is better as many others especially the coup opposition, because many people had no food or rights in the old regime.

And its sad but normal in every country that politicians has expensive cars.

Should I coup my government for cars?

What are you say about poor people if a rightwing governement rules?

Transformers or Simon Bolivar?

O my god...kill him.

[jorgex2000]

I'm not full of hate , i just don't like chavez , because he such a liar and a corrupt politician. Wtf are you saying ppl had no rights ... they had as much rights as right now with the only difference that the previous government would not get you arrested or kicked out of the country for not being with their regime. I know there have always been corrupt politicians but not to the extent chavez is. I do not want a right wing dictatorship , i want normal democracy were venezuela can improve.

[lunatir]

Hate against one man is stupid, and the media worked on this bad image.

I dont believe that he is corrupt, because the majority elect him and the poorness is lower as under the old regime.

I dont believe that these government arrested or kicked out decent people, because many of the coup opposition still

there.

Many venezuelans tell me that it was a new political freedom for them.

A new constitution elected by the majority of venezuelans.

In germany we elect only every 4 years.

[jorgex2000]

You don't believe but he is. Before Chavez came in power Venezuela was the country with most development in south america, and its oil company was among the top 4.. now its not even close to being in the top developing countries in south american. Well he did kick Manuel Rosales among others who had the potential to get him out of power. He cheated on that constitution, he lost once so he re did the voting and he cheated the second time. Who are the "many" Venezuelans that tell you that?

[lunatir]

1994 inflation was 71%, monetary-crisis and collapse of banking system

Perez defeat hunger-revolts, 5000 death

He was depose because of corruption

Since 98 economic situation became better

The drop in demand of oil is a consequence of neoliberalism financial crisis

You speak about the referendum for modification for a longer mandate of a venezoelan president etc, wich one you lost at second time Without Cheat

Rosales was a corupt coup supporter, and he escaped from justice

[jorgex2000]

Are you taking about the currency devaluation from 500 to 6500 or are you talking the production of oil before chavez , 3.2 millions barrels per day vs 2.0 millions barrels per day today?. Are you taking about 19000 deaths by crime in 2009?. Are you talking about the destruction of the infrastructure, power plants, oil refinaries, roads,etc. Are you talking about the increase in poverty while chavez family gets richer?

Did you check the website i gave you, there you can see how chavez cheats.

[lunatir]

Sorry, I dont receive a website

Again, the elections in venezuela are fair in international standards

I know about the crime problem, and I know that the government condemned this

Again, the poverty is lower than before 98.

Before the world financial crisis the production of oil was higher than before 98

Now its a little lower because of the crisis.

Before 98 Venezuela was 35 Billions in debt at IMF

Now Venezuela is clear in debt.

Independent economic studies show this clearly

[chechela]

@lunatir It's so obvious that you don't live here...

[miguelfutbol9]

@jorgex2000 That fool is crazy... 

[heyyouube11111]

the jewish menace will not defeat the will of the venezuelan people

[lunatir]

I dont know the truth about such pics and dont know why the police open fire.

But I know that before 98 the police open fire a lot more against the poor people.

Yes, in european countries there is not so much violence, because the difference between the poor and the rich is not so big.

And we have weapon control.

But at the "G8" protests in Heiligendamm the millitary oppressed demonstrants, too.

And the elections were not cheated.

Poor people has more health care, education and rights.

[jorgex2000]

But the violence here is not between poor and rich or middle class and poor. The violence comes the government towards the opposition he gets. Since chavez came in power crime has increased dramatically. If you see the oil company now there are no professionals there , the refineries,etc are all damaged. In 2003-2004 he fired basically anyone in the oil company who was against him. Meaning he fired almost everybody who had the skills. Those that stayed , stayed because they are stealing money.

[lunatir]

Yes, the crime is high, thats a big problem, but I dont believe that the government oppressed every opposition through crime.

A big problem is that you can not accept democratic decisions.

You have free speech and no one oppressed you.

Wich "professionals" do you mean.

Since the 70s the oil company is in public property, but the elites lead this like private property for her class.

Its important to change it.

And the "strike of the rich" 2003-2004 was illegal at international law.

[jorgex2000]

He is the one that doesn't accept democratic decisions why does he cheat. Did you know he wants to start a war with Colombia for no REASON. Professionals who studied for 4 years or more, now with Chavez educational plans people graduate in less than 2 years. The people now in the oil company are ignorant this why now there are power shortages in Venezuela. "strike of the rich" i dont think anyone that contributed to that was rich. Look why dont you come and live in Venezuela and see everything

[lunatir]

In international rights the elections in venezuela were Fair and No cheating.

Also the Jimmy Carter organisation say this.

And you want to tell me that all this elections or referendums are cheated.

But the coup of 2002 and the kidnapping of your president chavez with US support was crime.

And he want no war with colombia.

Colombia attacked over the borders of equador, and chavez protect his borders.

Remember Chile 73.

I like to come to venezuela, but Im hard working and have no time.

[jorgex2000]

The elections were not fair. They cheated. Explain to me why he forced his main rival in politics exile to Colombia. He is no democratic leader he wants to be in power for ever. And seriously get it over your head communism has never worked and it will never work. I'm sorry but it has failed to create the "UTOPIAN SOCIETY were everyone is equal". Ofcourse he wants a war with colombia, He is saying that US is installing bases around Colombia to invade venezuela, that is BULLSHIT.

[lunatir]

dont know about exiled politicians, but I know that many of the coup leaders go to Miami, Colombia or still make opposition in Venezuela.

For people like you every social politics is communism.

If you speak about communism, you mean the soviet model.

I speak about fair and social politics, real socialism, of course with capitalistic ideas too.

USA is partner of Colombia and finance oppositions against left democratic governments in Latin America.

Learn about coups with US support.

[jorgex2000]

And mny of chavez followers have mansions in miami and yet they criticize capitalism. Mny of them take their children to Disney World in Orlando, yet they critizice the US. Chavez is a fraud man he says one thin one day & another the next. Would you like to be have a chavez as the primer minister in germany, i doubt that many germans would say yes. If venezuela was mking progress wth Chavez id be happy to say that he is a good president but things are going worse, crime increasin power shrtages

[lunatir]

I dont know that, but it is not bad to live in Miami.

I have said this because the USA has protected their coup friends.

Venezuela is not Germany.

Yes, we have other problems, but in Germany the neoliberalism governments since 12 years destroy the "social state",

the pensions, the health care or discriminated unemployed people, make wars and let USA kidnapping people over German airports.

The problem here are the private media families.

And look, I write also with other venezuelans.

[jorgex2000]

No its not bad to live in miami but then they should stop being Hypocrites, you write also with brainwashed Venezuelans, that most likely are also corrupt and are stealing money... Watch the news , this week chavez almost fought with the Colombian president what kind of president does that... seriously, Chavez has no manners nor education.

[lunatir]

Why Hypocrites?

They are not against US-people, they are against US politics.

In my meaning many of the opposition are brainwashed puppets.

In Venezuela are 80% of media in private property and also US media make election campaigns against Chavez.

At CNN I see these days Leopoldo Lopez, what a arrogant and lying human.

But I hope the way of Chavez, Morales, Carrera or da Silva goes on.

And you speak about cheating.

Why he didnt cheating at the referendum wich the oppositon had won.

[jorgex2000]

Obviously the one brainwashed here its you, do you honestly think chavez is a good leader? You might as well say that Hitler, Mussolini and Franco were good . Do you know the meaning of hypocrisy? If they hate the US politics , why would you buy a house in the US or buy property there? If you dont like the politics in a country why would u even want to go there? Why do they use american brands. Nike,Gap .Chavez is a fraud, he is just a clown.Obviously you are a person who thinks communism is gud

[lunatir]

And you are a person who can not fair argue with other meanings and always you make stupid reproaches like a child.

You have no arguments, but its no surprise.

I also drive a Ford or eat MC or like NBA, but I criticise US-politics and wars.

Is that hypocrisy for you??

Are you stupid to make Chavez to a Hitler and so on.

Go to school or learn for yourself dude.

And I had said that Im democrat, a very left democrat.

But Im against every dictatorship, capitalistic or socialistic.

[jorgex2000]

If Venezuelans don't do anything about chavez we'll soon have dictatorship and a communist dictatorship. Well i know that what i say comes from experience living in Venezuela, on the other hand i dont think you have even been in Venezuela, if the US had a government like the one in Venezuela. Ford would prob be taken over by Chavez and would probably be ruined. Chavez wants to make venezuela like Cuba. You know how corrupt chavez is? i mean if he actually used the money for country, that be good

[lunatir]

You have the right to make opposition

But you make reproaches wich are not true and against majority

In the past in Latinamerica often rules rightwing capitalistic dictatorships wich murdered left democrats, like Chile

Only Cuba is a left dictatorship

Of course Im for democratic reforms, but Cuba also help other poor countries with doctors or education

Its not a hell you know

And I hope you know that the financial crisis and ruins of countries is the blame of neoliberalism politics

[jorgex2000]

Also if Chavez is trying to help the poor, why doesnt he give cars to them.All he does is say if you come to my marche, ill give you a fridge or ill give you 100$ . Every single one of his followers has the latest Mercedez,Hummers,Audi's. Any expensive car you can think of. When he lets the poor take rich people's land, that might seem like is good but after they occupy the land the poor turn them into slums where crime takes over and trash is everywhere.

[lunatir]

You are joking dude.

You have a very ignorant meaning about poor people.

Why should they turn their land into slums.

Before 98 the poorness was higher as today.

In the 90s it gives hunger revolts in your country.

And you want to tell me that every Chavez follower get a expensive car.

Come on man.

Its very difficult to lead a country, but its a good thing that the money of oil companies goes also into education, health care or cheap food for your people.

[jorgex2000]

I not being ignorant abt poor people , i live in venezuela ... i know how it is , you are the ignorant tha thinks chavez is awesome. THERE is even food shortages , you dont know what the F you are saying if you never been in venezuela to experience whats going on inside. Sometimes ppl cant find MILK, MILK!!!!! and YES Every one of chavez high rank followers has a mercedez or hummer they mostly have hummers while the poor are driving cars from like 20 years ago etc...Chavez is another fidel.

[lunatir]

You should think about the propaganda of many private TV channels like RCTV during the coup of 2002.

A day after the coup they had said in TV that all these lies were planned.

These leaders closed TV channels and put down the free elected government.

You said that the chavez government divided the people, but what made your friends?

Now Its time for the poor people to stand up against the neoliberalism governments and their media in latin america for their own democratic rights.

[jorgex2000]

@lunatir I'm from Venezuela, and believe me that venezuela has not improved at all in any way since chavez came in power. In fact venezuela has gone backwards.. Do you think that if student protested in Germany , the german police would fire at them? a do the kinda things you see in the pics in the video? I highly doubt that any european government would do that. Even the poor people hate him , plus he has cheated everytime there has been an election since 1999. Chavez has separated families...