so he is a grand Master? I first saw KM 10 years ago My opinion has not changed it is just badly done Karate! he walks around like an overconfident Peacock, and he's moves are awful, and weak
@gekiryudojo Whether you believe it's badly done karate or not these grandmasters have all used Krav Maga in actual combat. They are still alive so that should be statement enough that Krav Maga is effective.
@ login76 Then what would be the best way to go? There will never be a "safe defense" there will only be an effective one, and these defenses have worked on the battlefield for years and I've personally been saved by the knife defenses that I learned from Krav Maga.
@hispanoqueespobre I would say to those that say bad karate or dangerous for the defender. Karate isn't shit once you are forced to deal with adrenaline. Wish i had known krav 12 yrs ago. If i did. I wouldn't have a scar on my neck now. Great to hear it saved ya Gekiyudojo!!!
krav maga's techniques in dealing with weapon attacks is very dangerous... .. for the defender!! i feel it is easy to learn but definately not the best way to go.
He steps into the swing and nulifies the attack. The weapon is only effective at a certain distance so he steps in to break the attack and also breaks the attacker's balance.
Obviously the guy has great skill, but who swings a baseball bat in such a way that your wrists are flush with the victim's waist at the time of impact. If I was to ever attack a guy with a ballbat, the only thing for them to be able to grab would be steel. Also, the assailant has no idea how to knife fight.
wy everybody speack krav maga israeli martial art of selfdefense.....that s ok.....and in all the pictures of imi and some others masters of kmg, you can see them with kimono: and wy nobody use the kimono now???????
When teaching a technique attackers must remain static so the student can get what is happening step-by-step. In demonstration of attacking sequences however, the should not remain static while the defender pulls off the technique. in real life...attackers will not just stand there and let you do your technique, they will be in constant motion responding to your responses. This is why the only superior fighting and defense system is one that trains in laws and principles verses mere technique.
i totally agree. I train in Filipino Kali and we practice relentless attack. Also, we don't pre arrange what we're doing. In other words we may start out with an opponent kicking or punching at you, who may then produce a knife. We also use real knives, which have been rounded off. Not as sharp, but still dangerous enough to injure you, if things are taken lightly... we never train with a ''you do this and i'll do that'' in response way of thinking. its volatile action and reaction
to much consent and cooperation from everyone. Need to kit up every training session and go full contact. The out come is different when under extreme pressure, KM is becoming another martial art.
@TKM45U But that is why in all Krav Maga gradings you have pressure tests. They test you under extreme pressure, I do Krav Maga. Every single grading I am pushed to my limit, when I feel I cannot go on they ask me to defend myself. If that's not under pressure I don't know what is.
1:29 there's no way if a guy's got you in a bear hug that they'll just grab your waste and not your arms. The technique he's showing should be shows as the guy restrains he's arms, its more of a likely situation. Who tries to keep you still by bear hugging your stomach? And the eblow to the face? If someones dirtectly behind you with both arms around you, gain enough momentum to make that elbow worth shit. He should've stamped the foot first, because the attacker will move as you do.
I felt compelled to respond here . . . . You're right that Krav Maga uses a lot of what has been learned from boxing, but wrong that the punches are identical. Because of the lack of gloves, the punches are different. Examples: for straight punches, only the first two knuckles make contact. For hooks, fists are not turned as they are in boxing (with thumbs down), but simply hooked out directly (so thumbs face you). Of course, there are also heel-palm strikes, finger pokes, etc. in Krav.
In 1928 Imi won the Slovakian Youth Wrestling Championship, and in 1929 the adult champion- ship (in the light and middle weight division). That year he also won the national boxing championship and an international gymnastics championship. During the ensuing decade, Imi's athletic activities focused mainly on wrestling, both as a contestant and a trainer. Year after year he won the ......
that's from krav-maga site, posting an adress on youtube is difficult. It states that from the IKMF site, also imi is really old, he might not get that much reconition before, I meant he was even there to train the palmach for hand to hand combat, which turned into the israeli defense force when they invade israeli, if that isn't an accomplishment already, he is a lengend to israeli history. You act like the u.s is superior, they didn't do much at iraq, or the olypics lately, they were superior.
Umm, imi litchenfield who created krav maga actually was a champion boxer and a champion wrestler, so it makes perfect sense from his background why strikes are so important. I'm only saying, know your roots.
and wrestling, I meant show me any other jew that is a champion outside of isreal? Not that many, so what's your point? The guy who created krav maga has a striking background and wrestling.
You can look imi up at wiki. It states "As a young man, Imi was a successful boxer and wrestler.[2] Imi competed at National and International levels and was a champion and member of the slovakian National Wrestling Team In the late 1930s, anti-Semitic riots threatened the Jewish population of Bratislava. Together with other Jewish boxers and wrestlers, Lichtenfeld helped to defend his Jewish neighborhood against fascist gangs.
I meant to ask for an official site or something in which he gets acknowledged as a champion.. I would like to know in which country he was a champion.. because either way, I think that if he really was a champion - he would have gotten alot more recognition for it.
wow. ok yeah perhaps the roll was for cinematic effect but to say you could beat this dude in a fight is arrogant and ridiculous. he'd beat your ass. he'd beat my ass. He'd beat a whole lot of ass.
Just as I assumed...all you can do is call people names and not give answers... you requested I speak first? :)) You are the one that stated that KM steals from TKD in your first comment and you request I explain to you that it doesn't??? :)))) Please...it's a completely different martial art, if you think otherwise than back your statements with some facts. Yes, you better go train. I hope you are better at that than you are explaining to people the origins of martial arts.... cheers.
Fo0ji, now you added that TKD steals from kickboxing also??? No comment from me folks... let the smarter guy explain that one ;)) Seems all you can really do is call people names...too bad there is no REAL knowledge behind your comments. You started the conversation by commenting that KM steals from TKD and Muay thai, yet you gave NOTHING to support that claim, then you write that you want to see how dumb I aim and that I should explain the steps to you??? please...
You mentioned in one of your previous comments the difference in punches between boxers and thai boxers, yet you just wrote that your punches were "correct" because you boxed and you could move on to elbows and knees...seems like there isn't much of a difference for you after all...or you're simply talented and managed to quickly give up your habits from boxing (i.e. fighting stance, guard etc.)
I knew you would back out of explaining your comment :))) yet...I was hoping for so much more from such an inteligent guy that trained for 6 ot 7 months of muay thai :)))
Oh, I see, you are underlining "boxing" as in Thai boxing must be from "boxing" then :))) I will ad that one to your now famous quotes :))) Thank you for making this so entertaining :)))
6 or 7 months of training, boy, for a second I actually assumed you knew what you were talkign about. Yes kickboxing, one of your more famous comments were that kickboxing steals from TKD :))))) That's also a classic :))))
If my intelligence level is low...then show everybody here just how high your intelligence level is by precisely presenting the detailed similarities as well as differences between kicks in TKD, Muay Thai and IKM?? As a reminder: Fo0ji's comment: "Krav Maga STEALS from TKD and Muay Thai". Please, show everybody how smart you are as well as how vastly more intelligent you are :))) but please don't answer this with more of your justifications and explanations as to "what you really ment was..." :)
And I didn't accuse you of not knowing, I asked you a question, although your answer is quite disappointing, I did not insult you in any way. On top of that I already wrote about certain differences between the punches yet you chose to selectively ignore them. What is the top of copy pasting them here AGAIN. I only have 500 characters to use up in the comment box :)
This is your answer?? :))) "a thai punch is more open, and can easily be combined with elbows, It's slightl more relaxed - though the method is similar" WOW, if the world was as simple as Fo0ji sees it then we'd all be geniuses :))) Talk about indepth knowledge. Look, to be honest if those are all the differences you see than I'm not surprise you claim the kickboxing and TKD are the same... the truth however is a little more complex.
"Don't need to, Krav Maga STEALS from TKD and Muay Thai." This is your first comment....yet you still haven't proven that this is true... throwing wild statements is cheap my friend...please give precise step by step examples as to how this is in your mind true. Please be a little more precise in your statements, all you are providing is cheap propaganda not backed by any scientific or historic facts. waiting for an answer that has a little more indepth knowledge than statements like "retarded"
Please read my previous comments, I stated some of the differences between a boxing punch and an IKM punch...the techniques ARE NOT BORROWED. The techniques used in IKM are specific to IKM due to their street fighting aspect. IKM is a different system than boxing, you are the one trying to make the point that it's steeling, so you make yours now and let's see how well you know your punches ;) PS. do you know the difference between a thai punch and a boxer's punch, or did muay thai steal as well?
Krav Maga has techniques developed for street fighting and self-defence which are different than in other martial arts because it is not a sport. The stance, the punches, the kicks are performed differently than in other martial arts. Everything developed by Imi and IKMA had to be appropriate for street fighting, a boxing stance is not, just like TKD kicks are not...a roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick, how you execute it determines what martial art you train, just like punches, knees etc.
Fo0ji, you see it through your eyes, if you want to disregard everything else that is up to you. We simply disagree... there are too many differences between boxing and IKM for it to be called the same. With regard to 'we' I ment poeple that train at IKMA as opposed to boxing or other KM organisations, which as you may or may not know...throw punches like boxers ;) or like whatever martial arts their instructor previously trained... :)
Well we simply disagree. Kicks may be sligtly different to someone that starts training KM and TKD. While with regard to punches, you are only looking at similarities and there are only so many ways to carry out a good punch. However, you omitted to mention everything that is different, like the fight position, in boxing they hold a much more "square" position to their opponent and so their punches are carried out differently and more easily in some cases. (cont.)
Leg work during a punch is extremely important as well, KM leg work is entirely different than boxing. We can't "close" our position (with our feet) while punching because we'd otherwise limit our ability to kick or knee. Remember you mentioned one or two key elements of many key elements that make a good punch. There are a couple of similarities, but much more differences if you look at all the elements that make up a good punch. (cont.)
And with regard to your comment: "people were boxing before any asian martial arts were invented". I assume you just made that up from the top of your head. If you take a look at history, asia was quite advanced over the rest of the world including in martial arts, or even specifically with regard to martial arts... we were still using arrows and swords when asia had already developed gun powder...boxing can be traced back to ancient Greece, while asian martial arts even further back...
Look, how can you say a punch was developed by boxing? A lot of martial arts not familiar with boxing used punches. Take a look at asia, with karate or Muay Boran for example. It is impossible to trace certain things back, what you are doing is simply "assuming". Martial arts continue to evolve, and what Haim Gidon is doing is unique, we don't punch like boxers, or kick like thai boxer...(cont.)
it takes a certain amount of knowledge to perceive that the difference. e.g. someone well trained in TKD and well trained in Israeli Krav Maga would know the difference between a TKD and IKM roundhouse kick... to the average person it all looks alike.
TKD style kicks. I wonder if that is a typo or you meant to add style. Good for you, you may be familiar with TKD so based on your knowledge you associate it with TKD. Just like others will associate it with other martial arts. Imi was a successful BOXER and WRESTLER.
Well I'm glad you learned how to read and understand more or less what I wrote...it's a start. So Kickboxers now steal from TKD? :))) Let me try and simplify things for you because you're right, I used too big words for you. Imi was Jewish and he deloped this self-defence system for the Jewish community. Czechoslovakians did not develop the system, it would a little hard for a Jew to develop the system in Israel given the fact that that country did not EXIST at the time. (cont.)
I see we have entered a new intellectual high. Let me adjust to your talking style: OK, you dumbass retard, so Imi also trained TKD?? :))) I assume Imi also trained Muay thai?? :) Nobody is capable of stealing anything from other martial arts without having trained that martial arts. Nobody will teach you e.g. BJJ without having trained it. And one more thing, Imi was Jewish and developed Krav Maga. He was born in 1910, while the independent state of Israel was founded in 1948, you dummy.
Israeli Krav Maga does not steal anything. It is a comprehensive fighting and self-defense system develped in Israel by its founder Imi Lichtenfeld and continued by his organisation the Israeli Krav Maga Association (IKMA). PS. Why would anyone think IKMA steals from TKD of all martial arts?? :) I've heard muay thai, kickbox, sambo, bjj, even wrestling...but TKD? Just when you think you heard it all ;) I'm still waiting for someone to comment that we steal from aikido :))) that will be the day:)
KM has been created to be used in self defense cases of war, where another Martial arts thecnics are included.Not sense Street fights never have to be compared with Martial arts skills.If those stupid fighters wants to get extra real skills, welcome to real War situations.What you gays are talking about.Martial arts where created as self defense,not to go around showing something that they are not.Reamember to be a goog skilled martial art fighter takes alist 10 years of experiens.
too much distance between the opponents, more easy like this! i think that has no many effects with trained people like thai boxer or traditional karateka
Yes, probably in a ring such a fighter would have an advantage because there would be rules, but my experience tells me that skilled fighters with high degrees in other martial arts have great difficulties in dealing with a krav maga fighter in a no rules situation, just like the street. We have no rules, and we don´t fight to win. we learn to fight to survive and do what it takes despite the threat.
i think krav maga is really good in real situation but the hit of a good trained martial artist are more difficult to block, with a real martial artist is mopre more difficult apply these tecnique
not really. most of the times is a lot easier. Krav Maga goes much beyond the tecniques you see here. Some of them are just training drills in yellow or green belt ranks. Once again i think the secrecy is harming the krav maga reputation because many things that come out, even in TV shows, are form doubtful masters and sistems. But they publicitate....
KM is a fine self defense art. No doubt about it. However, it - like Akido - is at its best against clumsy, unskilled fighters. A KM fighter would be very hard pressed to stand toe to toe with a skilled karate practictioner and freely spar. This is KM's unspoken weakness. Otherwise, KM is to be respected and feared.
Unfortunately, many "real" martial arts seem to have this flaw. Whereas martial arts that have evolved into sports have very bad initial technique, but excellent end results through experience in competitions.
Are you kidding? against an karate practitioner? If you said muy thai or mma practitioner i could agree, but karate is just stupid. Karate sparing is the weakest thing in the world. in muy thai or any ring sport you are going to try and hurt your opponent. In karate you just gotta hit the otherone to acheive points, that means no power, just fast weak hits to get your point and a none realistic fight scenario. though in mt town km pracers have done well in sparring against kick and muy thaiers.
You have a problem that I find most people in these forums do... the inability to distinguish between sporting events and real street fighting. Who cares about "points" or tournaments?! We're discussing real life fighting - life or death stuff. The orginal point was this; Krag Maga is SUPER... against untrained fighters that haplessly lunge at you. Against a well trained Karate/TKD/Kung Fu/Muay Thai fighter IN THE STREET, Krav Maga will experience many problems. I hope it's clearer now.
"A KM fighter would be very hard pressed to stand toe to toe with a skilled karate practictioner and freely spar"
anyway.......
I said we may have problems in the ring with the rules etc. but in the street the tables are turned. I belieave we can turn everything against you. we train often outside with everyday cloths and train under very high stress. We train in bar's and with guns and knifes. We train with weaknesses and methods of taking others out for good.
i have serious doubts about that. but is hard to know isn´t it?? We have in krav Maga fighters from other martial arts, including some black belts (not to say champions). but in a real fight some times it is just a matter of luck
Your humility is refreshing, and your points are very well made! Sometimes luck does decide the outcome.
I would enjoy seeing more of KM in real life situations, taking on someone else who's trained to fight. There is a great perception out there - that won't go away until proven otherwise - that KM is an in-close art that depends on the other combatant being unskilled and making foolish moves that a trained MA would not. This may be wrong, but it's a common perception. Do you regularly spar?
That is not correct. krav maga is a mixture of different martial arts. Kick boxing jiu-jitsu, etc.. There are other organizations, besides ikma , and many of them are not exactly liable. There is much bad information about KM. I have trained Savate and brazilian jiu-jitsu before. Once again, the problem is some secrecy around KM that brings some wrong ideas. And a lot of charlatans wich claim to be KM instructors just because they learned from some videos
iwantastiffdrink, you are right in some part. The truth is that the most "popular" version of Krav Maga in the world is Yanilov's IKMF (a commercial dumddown version of krav maga), which is strictly self defense and as you stated would not do well against muay thai, bjj, kickboxers etc. That's true. However, the IKMA organisation established by Imi Lichtenfeld (KM founder) trains comprehensively and is fundamentally different than what you have come to understand as "Krav Maga".
yes, exactly. We at IKMA teach a complete curriculum so that people proficient in the system are able to competently function in standup, clinch, ground, with or without weapons against anyone, trained or untrained.
Although this video presents only self-defense techniques, take a look at other videos of the Israeli Krav Maga Association (IKMA). They are the only Krav Maga authority recognized by the Israeli government. An they can spar with Muay thai, bjj, wrestlers, kickboxers and the sort. But you will only understand if you visit them yourself and spar. Anybody can write anything here...it's best to always see for yourself :) cheers!
I would appreciate it if someone in KM could post some videos of a KM stylist sparring a Karate, TKD, or Muay Thai stylist of similar size and skill. I would find that most interesting and enlightening.
probably the most similar style in a non weapon combat to krav maga is Vale Tudo or MMA, but with no rules. I would recommend that you search near you a ikma school near you and try. KM is much more than just plain self defense. You can´t defend from anyone if you don´t know how to fight. But remember, most fights last seconds, not minutes, especially if against a trained and skilled opponent.
I'm quite happy with my art (Shito-ryu), and don't anticipate trying KM. My interest was to see some video demonstration of KM - against a skilled opponent of similar size and skill - who practices karate, TKD, or perhaps Muay Thai. This may help to dispel the belief that KM is not useful against skilled MA fighters.
This is done quite regularly. I personally witnessed such sparring. But the athletes do not wish to be uploaded on youtube. From what the instructors told me, it would be unprofessional to invite someone, film them sparrign unsuccesfully and publishing it for the world to see. Martial artists come and spar with us not to be humiliated but rather exchange knowledge/experience. Maybe you do that to people in your school, but its not allowed here. I don't like it but I understand it, and respect it
it also happens where we train. the problem with karate fighters usually is related to ground and projection techniques, despite the good leg work. The weapons techniques are also considerably differente and the concept of fight is almost antagonist to retzev
I think it depends on how well the system is taken in by a practitioner, as well as the system itself. All things being equal though, i've trained a little under Haim Gidon in Netanya, seen some of his top students, and man, I've got to say, they are the most dangerous people I've ever met, both against skilled and unskilled opponents. Perhaps you were talking about other KM organisations? My experience has shown me Israeli Krav Maga from the IKMA, helps to prepare you for any opponent
very good!!! I've seen this guys, they are Haim Gidons students and they are the best fighters on the world, Israeli Krav Maga Association in Poland is very strong!!!
Yeah, that's really fucking bright when he grabs the gun while it's pointed at the back of someone's head. I don't care how quick these guys are, they aren't quicker than a bullet if the gun discharges while they grabbing it.
Exactly..pulling that trigger takes time, enough time for someone well trained (NOT ME) to disarm the gunman. Why people mock this stuff is beyond me...I've seen live demos of this (not with live ammo admittedly) and they have that gun in the blink of an eye.
i have seen two different videos showing haim looking a lot different.
rotsebanotman 6 months ago
1:10 at my krav gym we usualy wait till after they swing to do that we jump back to dodge then run in
picklejarwontopen 7 months ago
so he is a grand Master? I first saw KM 10 years ago My opinion has not changed it is just badly done Karate! he walks around like an overconfident Peacock, and he's moves are awful, and weak
gekiryudojo 1 year ago
@gekiryudojo Whether you believe it's badly done karate or not these grandmasters have all used Krav Maga in actual combat. They are still alive so that should be statement enough that Krav Maga is effective.
@ login76 Then what would be the best way to go? There will never be a "safe defense" there will only be an effective one, and these defenses have worked on the battlefield for years and I've personally been saved by the knife defenses that I learned from Krav Maga.
hispanoqueespobre 11 months ago
@hispanoqueespobre I would say to those that say bad karate or dangerous for the defender. Karate isn't shit once you are forced to deal with adrenaline. Wish i had known krav 12 yrs ago. If i did. I wouldn't have a scar on my neck now. Great to hear it saved ya Gekiyudojo!!!
ShellySummers 8 months ago
@gekiryudojo i am not grand master i am 4 dan israeli krav maga instructor
yigal289 10 months ago
@gekiryudojo i am not grand master i am 4 dan israeli krav maga instructor
yigal289 10 months ago
@gekiryudojo i am not grand master i am 4 dan israeli krav maga instructor
yigal289 10 months ago
krav maga's techniques in dealing with weapon attacks is very dangerous... .. for the defender!! i feel it is easy to learn but definately not the best way to go.
login76 1 year ago
@masonandhelena
He steps into the swing and nulifies the attack. The weapon is only effective at a certain distance so he steps in to break the attack and also breaks the attacker's balance.
airbalty 1 year ago
Obviously the guy has great skill, but who swings a baseball bat in such a way that your wrists are flush with the victim's waist at the time of impact. If I was to ever attack a guy with a ballbat, the only thing for them to be able to grab would be steel. Also, the assailant has no idea how to knife fight.
masonandhelena 1 year ago
@tobyskates - i completely agree
virendra24bangalore 1 year ago
amazing
indigoefekt 1 year ago
IKMF FTW :P
Tharrel 1 year ago
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O engraçado que quando eu não fazia o krav maga acha os movimentos rapidos demais e hoje vejo o quanto devagar ele esta fazendo pra fazer o correto.
diegosmachado 1 year ago
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diegosmachado 1 year ago
soe body can answer...
wy everybody speack krav maga israeli martial art of selfdefense.....that s ok.....and in all the pictures of imi and some others masters of kmg, you can see them with kimono: and wy nobody use the kimono now???????
wy imi use and now nobody?
its the same style or not??
hapkidopy 2 years ago
When teaching a technique attackers must remain static so the student can get what is happening step-by-step. In demonstration of attacking sequences however, the should not remain static while the defender pulls off the technique. in real life...attackers will not just stand there and let you do your technique, they will be in constant motion responding to your responses. This is why the only superior fighting and defense system is one that trains in laws and principles verses mere technique.
branchingvine 2 years ago
i totally agree. I train in Filipino Kali and we practice relentless attack. Also, we don't pre arrange what we're doing. In other words we may start out with an opponent kicking or punching at you, who may then produce a knife. We also use real knives, which have been rounded off. Not as sharp, but still dangerous enough to injure you, if things are taken lightly... we never train with a ''you do this and i'll do that'' in response way of thinking. its volatile action and reaction
bladrunner6 2 years ago
one of the best demos of KM on youtube nice
steven1986ify 2 years ago
P.E.R.F.E.C.T.
tonythebest176 2 years ago
Cóż jak dla mnie tear jednej osoby:(
Chamber7777 2 years ago
looks like tha same thing that happened to taijutsu is happening to krav maga
notice how the opponents over accentuate each attack then offer no resistance
they just stand there and get beat up
geh...
Ceosan 2 years ago
to much consent and cooperation from everyone. Need to kit up every training session and go full contact. The out come is different when under extreme pressure, KM is becoming another martial art.
TKM45U 1 year ago
@TKM45U But that is why in all Krav Maga gradings you have pressure tests. They test you under extreme pressure, I do Krav Maga. Every single grading I am pushed to my limit, when I feel I cannot go on they ask me to defend myself. If that's not under pressure I don't know what is.
tobyskates 1 year ago
1:29 there's no way if a guy's got you in a bear hug that they'll just grab your waste and not your arms. The technique he's showing should be shows as the guy restrains he's arms, its more of a likely situation. Who tries to keep you still by bear hugging your stomach? And the eblow to the face? If someones dirtectly behind you with both arms around you, gain enough momentum to make that elbow worth shit. He should've stamped the foot first, because the attacker will move as you do.
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago
is this Krzysztof Sawicki introduced at the end of the video?
Screw89pl 2 years ago
yes
yigal289 2 years ago
it´s funny
heitortamos 2 years ago
Krav Maga should be an obligatory class in high school :)
fender1223 2 years ago
I don't think so, because theres always that one kid who will use it for bad instead of good.
bgcoasters527 2 years ago
To bgcoaster527.... So we should all conform to the bad guys? I don't think so.....
ThyMajesticOne 2 years ago
so it shouldn't be taught to the 99% who will use it for defense, just because of the 1% who will use it for offence?
KurtCobain198666 2 years ago
Now thats stupid, If everyone knew Krav Maga once again no one would be safe in the streets :P
TosiValhe 2 years ago
very impressive...cooL...I just hope KM grows like those asians martial arts.
cool2847 2 years ago
I felt compelled to respond here . . . . You're right that Krav Maga uses a lot of what has been learned from boxing, but wrong that the punches are identical. Because of the lack of gloves, the punches are different. Examples: for straight punches, only the first two knuckles make contact. For hooks, fists are not turned as they are in boxing (with thumbs down), but simply hooked out directly (so thumbs face you). Of course, there are also heel-palm strikes, finger pokes, etc. in Krav.
shielse123 2 years ago 2
his head's nice and shiney
simoncase 2 years ago
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jabmalassie 2 years ago
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jabmalassie 2 years ago
It goes something like this: "The leg of the baby is stronger than the balls of mohamed ali" - Imi Lichenfeld founder of krav maga
nmiguelrmoura 2 years ago
What an awesome quote!!!
builder20 2 years ago
In 1928 Imi won the Slovakian Youth Wrestling Championship, and in 1929 the adult champion- ship (in the light and middle weight division). That year he also won the national boxing championship and an international gymnastics championship. During the ensuing decade, Imi's athletic activities focused mainly on wrestling, both as a contestant and a trainer. Year after year he won the ......
thisismynames 2 years ago
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thisismynames 2 years ago
that's from krav-maga site, posting an adress on youtube is difficult. It states that from the IKMF site, also imi is really old, he might not get that much reconition before, I meant he was even there to train the palmach for hand to hand combat, which turned into the israeli defense force when they invade israeli, if that isn't an accomplishment already, he is a lengend to israeli history. You act like the u.s is superior, they didn't do much at iraq, or the olypics lately, they were superior.
thisismynames 2 years ago
Mr 47
MozTS 3 years ago
doesnt really work like that in real life
untouchable999 3 years ago
well all these techniques are very effective for real life situations. that's why they tech it to the Israeli commandos.
Kyubi230 2 years ago
Umm, imi litchenfield who created krav maga actually was a champion boxer and a champion wrestler, so it makes perfect sense from his background why strikes are so important. I'm only saying, know your roots.
thisismynames 3 years ago
Boxing champion? Oh yeah, in his own country perhaps.. *care*
ZekoDayi 2 years ago
and wrestling, I meant show me any other jew that is a champion outside of isreal? Not that many, so what's your point? The guy who created krav maga has a striking background and wrestling.
thisismynames 2 years ago
Where can I find information about him being a boxingchampion? Not that championships outside of the US mattered anyway.
ZekoDayi 2 years ago
You can look imi up at wiki. It states "As a young man, Imi was a successful boxer and wrestler.[2] Imi competed at National and International levels and was a champion and member of the slovakian National Wrestling Team In the late 1930s, anti-Semitic riots threatened the Jewish population of Bratislava. Together with other Jewish boxers and wrestlers, Lichtenfeld helped to defend his Jewish neighborhood against fascist gangs.
thisismynames 2 years ago
I meant to ask for an official site or something in which he gets acknowledged as a champion.. I would like to know in which country he was a champion.. because either way, I think that if he really was a champion - he would have gotten alot more recognition for it.
ZekoDayi 2 years ago
rolling away.. wtf is that crap.
give me a few mins with egghead and I'll roll him all over the place.
Huge lolzaruz on this crap
yoghippie 3 years ago
wow. ok yeah perhaps the roll was for cinematic effect but to say you could beat this dude in a fight is arrogant and ridiculous. he'd beat your ass. he'd beat my ass. He'd beat a whole lot of ass.
Kyubi230 2 years ago
@Kyubi230 he would't kick my ass
gekiryudojo 1 year ago
"Enter your text here" HAHAHA OFMG funny shit
lucky1look2 3 years ago
sick people!
NajlepszyPolskiFrees 3 years ago
Just as I assumed...all you can do is call people names and not give answers... you requested I speak first? :)) You are the one that stated that KM steals from TKD in your first comment and you request I explain to you that it doesn't??? :)))) Please...it's a completely different martial art, if you think otherwise than back your statements with some facts. Yes, you better go train. I hope you are better at that than you are explaining to people the origins of martial arts.... cheers.
IKMfight 3 years ago
Fo0ji, now you added that TKD steals from kickboxing also??? No comment from me folks... let the smarter guy explain that one ;)) Seems all you can really do is call people names...too bad there is no REAL knowledge behind your comments. You started the conversation by commenting that KM steals from TKD and Muay thai, yet you gave NOTHING to support that claim, then you write that you want to see how dumb I aim and that I should explain the steps to you??? please...
IKMfight 3 years ago
You mentioned in one of your previous comments the difference in punches between boxers and thai boxers, yet you just wrote that your punches were "correct" because you boxed and you could move on to elbows and knees...seems like there isn't much of a difference for you after all...or you're simply talented and managed to quickly give up your habits from boxing (i.e. fighting stance, guard etc.)
IKMfight 3 years ago
I knew you would back out of explaining your comment :))) yet...I was hoping for so much more from such an inteligent guy that trained for 6 ot 7 months of muay thai :)))
IKMfight 3 years ago
Oh, I see, you are underlining "boxing" as in Thai boxing must be from "boxing" then :))) I will ad that one to your now famous quotes :))) Thank you for making this so entertaining :)))
IKMfight 3 years ago
6 or 7 months of training, boy, for a second I actually assumed you knew what you were talkign about. Yes kickboxing, one of your more famous comments were that kickboxing steals from TKD :))))) That's also a classic :))))
IKMfight 3 years ago
If my intelligence level is low...then show everybody here just how high your intelligence level is by precisely presenting the detailed similarities as well as differences between kicks in TKD, Muay Thai and IKM?? As a reminder: Fo0ji's comment: "Krav Maga STEALS from TKD and Muay Thai". Please, show everybody how smart you are as well as how vastly more intelligent you are :))) but please don't answer this with more of your justifications and explanations as to "what you really ment was..." :)
IKMfight 3 years ago
And I didn't accuse you of not knowing, I asked you a question, although your answer is quite disappointing, I did not insult you in any way. On top of that I already wrote about certain differences between the punches yet you chose to selectively ignore them. What is the top of copy pasting them here AGAIN. I only have 500 characters to use up in the comment box :)
IKMfight 3 years ago
Sorry, I ment "what is the point of copy pasting them here again".
IKMfight 3 years ago
This is your answer?? :))) "a thai punch is more open, and can easily be combined with elbows, It's slightl more relaxed - though the method is similar" WOW, if the world was as simple as Fo0ji sees it then we'd all be geniuses :))) Talk about indepth knowledge. Look, to be honest if those are all the differences you see than I'm not surprise you claim the kickboxing and TKD are the same... the truth however is a little more complex.
IKMfight 3 years ago
"Don't need to, Krav Maga STEALS from TKD and Muay Thai." This is your first comment....yet you still haven't proven that this is true... throwing wild statements is cheap my friend...please give precise step by step examples as to how this is in your mind true. Please be a little more precise in your statements, all you are providing is cheap propaganda not backed by any scientific or historic facts. waiting for an answer that has a little more indepth knowledge than statements like "retarded"
IKMfight 3 years ago
Please read my previous comments, I stated some of the differences between a boxing punch and an IKM punch...the techniques ARE NOT BORROWED. The techniques used in IKM are specific to IKM due to their street fighting aspect. IKM is a different system than boxing, you are the one trying to make the point that it's steeling, so you make yours now and let's see how well you know your punches ;) PS. do you know the difference between a thai punch and a boxer's punch, or did muay thai steal as well?
IKMfight 3 years ago
Krav Maga has techniques developed for street fighting and self-defence which are different than in other martial arts because it is not a sport. The stance, the punches, the kicks are performed differently than in other martial arts. Everything developed by Imi and IKMA had to be appropriate for street fighting, a boxing stance is not, just like TKD kicks are not...a roundhouse kick is a roundhouse kick, how you execute it determines what martial art you train, just like punches, knees etc.
IKMfight 3 years ago
Fo0ji, you see it through your eyes, if you want to disregard everything else that is up to you. We simply disagree... there are too many differences between boxing and IKM for it to be called the same. With regard to 'we' I ment poeple that train at IKMA as opposed to boxing or other KM organisations, which as you may or may not know...throw punches like boxers ;) or like whatever martial arts their instructor previously trained... :)
IKMfight 3 years ago
Well we simply disagree. Kicks may be sligtly different to someone that starts training KM and TKD. While with regard to punches, you are only looking at similarities and there are only so many ways to carry out a good punch. However, you omitted to mention everything that is different, like the fight position, in boxing they hold a much more "square" position to their opponent and so their punches are carried out differently and more easily in some cases. (cont.)
IKMfight 3 years ago
Leg work during a punch is extremely important as well, KM leg work is entirely different than boxing. We can't "close" our position (with our feet) while punching because we'd otherwise limit our ability to kick or knee. Remember you mentioned one or two key elements of many key elements that make a good punch. There are a couple of similarities, but much more differences if you look at all the elements that make up a good punch. (cont.)
IKMfight 3 years ago
And with regard to your comment: "people were boxing before any asian martial arts were invented". I assume you just made that up from the top of your head. If you take a look at history, asia was quite advanced over the rest of the world including in martial arts, or even specifically with regard to martial arts... we were still using arrows and swords when asia had already developed gun powder...boxing can be traced back to ancient Greece, while asian martial arts even further back...
IKMfight 3 years ago
Look, how can you say a punch was developed by boxing? A lot of martial arts not familiar with boxing used punches. Take a look at asia, with karate or Muay Boran for example. It is impossible to trace certain things back, what you are doing is simply "assuming". Martial arts continue to evolve, and what Haim Gidon is doing is unique, we don't punch like boxers, or kick like thai boxer...(cont.)
IKMfight 3 years ago
it takes a certain amount of knowledge to perceive that the difference. e.g. someone well trained in TKD and well trained in Israeli Krav Maga would know the difference between a TKD and IKM roundhouse kick... to the average person it all looks alike.
IKMfight 3 years ago
I've done some TKD and IKM and yes, they are different, very different
IKMAust 2 years ago
TKD style kicks. I wonder if that is a typo or you meant to add style. Good for you, you may be familiar with TKD so based on your knowledge you associate it with TKD. Just like others will associate it with other martial arts. Imi was a successful BOXER and WRESTLER.
IKMfight 3 years ago
Well I'm glad you learned how to read and understand more or less what I wrote...it's a start. So Kickboxers now steal from TKD? :))) Let me try and simplify things for you because you're right, I used too big words for you. Imi was Jewish and he deloped this self-defence system for the Jewish community. Czechoslovakians did not develop the system, it would a little hard for a Jew to develop the system in Israel given the fact that that country did not EXIST at the time. (cont.)
IKMfight 3 years ago
I see we have entered a new intellectual high. Let me adjust to your talking style: OK, you dumbass retard, so Imi also trained TKD?? :))) I assume Imi also trained Muay thai?? :) Nobody is capable of stealing anything from other martial arts without having trained that martial arts. Nobody will teach you e.g. BJJ without having trained it. And one more thing, Imi was Jewish and developed Krav Maga. He was born in 1910, while the independent state of Israel was founded in 1948, you dummy.
IKMfight 3 years ago
Israeli Krav Maga does not steal anything. It is a comprehensive fighting and self-defense system develped in Israel by its founder Imi Lichtenfeld and continued by his organisation the Israeli Krav Maga Association (IKMA). PS. Why would anyone think IKMA steals from TKD of all martial arts?? :) I've heard muay thai, kickbox, sambo, bjj, even wrestling...but TKD? Just when you think you heard it all ;) I'm still waiting for someone to comment that we steal from aikido :))) that will be the day:)
IKMfight 3 years ago
KM has been created to be used in self defense cases of war, where another Martial arts thecnics are included.Not sense Street fights never have to be compared with Martial arts skills.If those stupid fighters wants to get extra real skills, welcome to real War situations.What you gays are talking about.Martial arts where created as self defense,not to go around showing something that they are not.Reamember to be a goog skilled martial art fighter takes alist 10 years of experiens.
loboanamiguelito 3 years ago
Huh?
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
too much distance between the opponents, more easy like this! i think that has no many effects with trained people like thai boxer or traditional karateka
jacopo00 3 years ago
Yes, probably in a ring such a fighter would have an advantage because there would be rules, but my experience tells me that skilled fighters with high degrees in other martial arts have great difficulties in dealing with a krav maga fighter in a no rules situation, just like the street. We have no rules, and we don´t fight to win. we learn to fight to survive and do what it takes despite the threat.
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
i think krav maga is really good in real situation but the hit of a good trained martial artist are more difficult to block, with a real martial artist is mopre more difficult apply these tecnique
jacopo00 3 years ago
not really. most of the times is a lot easier. Krav Maga goes much beyond the tecniques you see here. Some of them are just training drills in yellow or green belt ranks. Once again i think the secrecy is harming the krav maga reputation because many things that come out, even in TV shows, are form doubtful masters and sistems. But they publicitate....
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
KM is a fine self defense art. No doubt about it. However, it - like Akido - is at its best against clumsy, unskilled fighters. A KM fighter would be very hard pressed to stand toe to toe with a skilled karate practictioner and freely spar. This is KM's unspoken weakness. Otherwise, KM is to be respected and feared.
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
Unfortunately, many "real" martial arts seem to have this flaw. Whereas martial arts that have evolved into sports have very bad initial technique, but excellent end results through experience in competitions.
Ninjaphil24 3 years ago 3
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i dont knw about that.
In general when people get into a fight they forget everything.
I have spored with people who have been practicing karete and TKD for years and i have beaten them and all i do is hit the bag ones in a while.
Martial arts will not change much but the way you look at life. If you are a pussy you would remain one even after years of practice.
Crazylalalalala 3 years ago
Are you kidding? against an karate practitioner? If you said muy thai or mma practitioner i could agree, but karate is just stupid. Karate sparing is the weakest thing in the world. in muy thai or any ring sport you are going to try and hurt your opponent. In karate you just gotta hit the otherone to acheive points, that means no power, just fast weak hits to get your point and a none realistic fight scenario. though in mt town km pracers have done well in sparring against kick and muy thaiers.
Dabidabida 3 years ago
You have a problem that I find most people in these forums do... the inability to distinguish between sporting events and real street fighting. Who cares about "points" or tournaments?! We're discussing real life fighting - life or death stuff. The orginal point was this; Krag Maga is SUPER... against untrained fighters that haplessly lunge at you. Against a well trained Karate/TKD/Kung Fu/Muay Thai fighter IN THE STREET, Krav Maga will experience many problems. I hope it's clearer now.
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
well you said:
"A KM fighter would be very hard pressed to stand toe to toe with a skilled karate practictioner and freely spar"
anyway.......
I said we may have problems in the ring with the rules etc. but in the street the tables are turned. I belieave we can turn everything against you. we train often outside with everyday cloths and train under very high stress. We train in bar's and with guns and knifes. We train with weaknesses and methods of taking others out for good.
Dabidabida 3 years ago
i have serious doubts about that. but is hard to know isn´t it?? We have in krav Maga fighters from other martial arts, including some black belts (not to say champions). but in a real fight some times it is just a matter of luck
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
Your humility is refreshing, and your points are very well made! Sometimes luck does decide the outcome.
I would enjoy seeing more of KM in real life situations, taking on someone else who's trained to fight. There is a great perception out there - that won't go away until proven otherwise - that KM is an in-close art that depends on the other combatant being unskilled and making foolish moves that a trained MA would not. This may be wrong, but it's a common perception. Do you regularly spar?
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
That is not correct. krav maga is a mixture of different martial arts. Kick boxing jiu-jitsu, etc.. There are other organizations, besides ikma , and many of them are not exactly liable. There is much bad information about KM. I have trained Savate and brazilian jiu-jitsu before. Once again, the problem is some secrecy around KM that brings some wrong ideas. And a lot of charlatans wich claim to be KM instructors just because they learned from some videos
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
iwantastiffdrink, you are right in some part. The truth is that the most "popular" version of Krav Maga in the world is Yanilov's IKMF (a commercial dumddown version of krav maga), which is strictly self defense and as you stated would not do well against muay thai, bjj, kickboxers etc. That's true. However, the IKMA organisation established by Imi Lichtenfeld (KM founder) trains comprehensively and is fundamentally different than what you have come to understand as "Krav Maga".
IKMfight 3 years ago
yes, exactly. We at IKMA teach a complete curriculum so that people proficient in the system are able to competently function in standup, clinch, ground, with or without weapons against anyone, trained or untrained.
IKMAust 2 years ago
for sport karate is like this. in traditional karate you train to kill
jacopo00 3 years ago
Exactly correct!
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
Although this video presents only self-defense techniques, take a look at other videos of the Israeli Krav Maga Association (IKMA). They are the only Krav Maga authority recognized by the Israeli government. An they can spar with Muay thai, bjj, wrestlers, kickboxers and the sort. But you will only understand if you visit them yourself and spar. Anybody can write anything here...it's best to always see for yourself :) cheers!
IKMfight 3 years ago
I would appreciate it if someone in KM could post some videos of a KM stylist sparring a Karate, TKD, or Muay Thai stylist of similar size and skill. I would find that most interesting and enlightening.
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
probably the most similar style in a non weapon combat to krav maga is Vale Tudo or MMA, but with no rules. I would recommend that you search near you a ikma school near you and try. KM is much more than just plain self defense. You can´t defend from anyone if you don´t know how to fight. But remember, most fights last seconds, not minutes, especially if against a trained and skilled opponent.
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
I'm quite happy with my art (Shito-ryu), and don't anticipate trying KM. My interest was to see some video demonstration of KM - against a skilled opponent of similar size and skill - who practices karate, TKD, or perhaps Muay Thai. This may help to dispel the belief that KM is not useful against skilled MA fighters.
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
iwantastiffdrink, you raise a good point. But since the IKMA does not to take part in sports events, it's hard to come by such a video.
IKMfight 3 years ago
Then invite a trained karate practitioner to your training facility and video tape a three minute sparring session. That would be a good start.
iwantastiffdrink 3 years ago
This is done quite regularly. I personally witnessed such sparring. But the athletes do not wish to be uploaded on youtube. From what the instructors told me, it would be unprofessional to invite someone, film them sparrign unsuccesfully and publishing it for the world to see. Martial artists come and spar with us not to be humiliated but rather exchange knowledge/experience. Maybe you do that to people in your school, but its not allowed here. I don't like it but I understand it, and respect it
IKMfight 3 years ago
it also happens where we train. the problem with karate fighters usually is related to ground and projection techniques, despite the good leg work. The weapons techniques are also considerably differente and the concept of fight is almost antagonist to retzev
nmiguelrmoura 3 years ago
I think it depends on how well the system is taken in by a practitioner, as well as the system itself. All things being equal though, i've trained a little under Haim Gidon in Netanya, seen some of his top students, and man, I've got to say, they are the most dangerous people I've ever met, both against skilled and unskilled opponents. Perhaps you were talking about other KM organisations? My experience has shown me Israeli Krav Maga from the IKMA, helps to prepare you for any opponent
IKMAust 2 years ago
very good!!! I've seen this guys, they are Haim Gidons students and they are the best fighters on the world, Israeli Krav Maga Association in Poland is very strong!!!
trtrtr00 3 years ago 4
Great video Guys.
Greetings from IKMA Holland
Kida Timo
freedomeverybody 3 years ago 3
where that video was made?
123Orel123 3 years ago
in poland
yigal289 3 years ago
in israel...
ofir2008 3 years ago
Yeah, that's really fucking bright when he grabs the gun while it's pointed at the back of someone's head. I don't care how quick these guys are, they aren't quicker than a bullet if the gun discharges while they grabbing it.
sirwilliam0524 3 years ago
Says the all knowing expert.
nst6ldr 3 years ago
Not quicker than a bullet, right.. but the bullet has to be fired..
IarumasIwama 3 years ago
Exactly..pulling that trigger takes time, enough time for someone well trained (NOT ME) to disarm the gunman. Why people mock this stuff is beyond me...I've seen live demos of this (not with live ammo admittedly) and they have that gun in the blink of an eye.
changyUK 3 years ago 2
These guys are the real army of one!! The real and fantastic Krav Maga from IKM.
joao5971 3 years ago 2
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Dont mess with us arabs!!
pink1899 3 years ago
To jest na awfie warszawskim.. niezłe :)
roberto12389 3 years ago
Great job! Hope to see you in the USA!
KJIRISHROSE 3 years ago
Congratulations from PORTUGAL! We are waiting for you MASTER YGAL!
acona1 4 years ago
יאללה ישראל!!!!
barakiva 3 years ago
סטיב קדימא טן קולמ pizdy
giritelko 4 years ago
סטיב קדימא טן קולמ pizdy
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