The(10851)Man. Penal code, for Auto theft? Hmm, well, I hope I get into George Stone, I hope to get a degree in the area of Criminal Justice, and later I can become a Police Officer. My grandpa was the Garfield County Sheriff back in Utah, during the 70s or something. He's a good man, as many Officers/State Patrol are.
Omg! I can never handle my m1911A1 like that, but then again, I just put in an 18 1/2Lb Wilson combat recoil spring, and a full lenght guide rod. It should help recoil reduction, and reliability. Just recently I put on some Pachmayr American Legend grips! They are beautiful! Have fun, and keep safe! Oohrah!
@Marine052191 Actually, that'll hurt your reliability -- significantly. A FLGR offers no benefits, increases weight, changes point of impact, and is much easier to bind up on(especially during lots of firing) than a standard guide rod.
@Grubbernaut I have not noticed anything in particular about it binding, but I get tighter groups. The M1911A1, or M1911 never comes with a guide rod, as far as I've seen with G.I. models. I know some Kimbers, and Taurus makes them with FLGRs. If you are feeding me your "Personal experiences" well, just leave them for your friends. I've had nothing but positive feed back on my FLGR in my G.I. set up.
@Marine052191 FLGRs are a fad, nothing more. They also make it harder to take your gun apart. It does, in fact, come with a guide rod. I have pre-existing videos that show this(not to mention the bazillion others on youtube), but I can make another if you like.
Kimber and Taurus 1911s are junk, comparatively.
I'm a gunsmithing student. Do you lube your 1911 and clean it frequently? If so, then of course you don't have reliability issues. Even ARs run wet, but it's not a real-world test.
Junk? Hardly. Nothing but respect for different designs, but Kimbers are widely regarded as some of the best, most well-made 1911s out there. There's a reason they're so expensive: you get what you paid for.
Taurus models aren't quite on the bleeding edge of performance, but they're decent and have good value for the price.
Essentially, you're coming off as elitist and close-minded.
@JasonRedfield I should've clarified, yes; the external extractor models are notoriously unreliable. Furthermore, I question what they sought to gain from deviating from the design, but I suppose that's another issue.
The Taurus might be fine if you pluck the guide rod out, but it has a lot of features that are undesirable in a combat handgun. That rod, series 80-style safety system, and the Novak sights.
That being said, you can get a better gun for less, so I consider it obsolete.
The external extractors didn't work out, but the internal ones seem to be high-quality.
I still think you're overstating the disadvantages of the FLGR. You make it sound like people are pouring molten lead into their gun by using one. I'm not saying it's always an improvement or a necessity, just that many shooters like them and report improvements in their gun by using them. I'm inclined to agree on the safety, but I'm a fan of Novaks myself. A lot of this is personal preference.
@JasonRedfield It doesn't offer any advantages, and it creates detriments. Whether they're huge or not is mostly irrelevant. They make it harder to take apart, change the point of impact, make it slightly heavier, and create another (unnecessary) point for binding to occur much more easily. They don't do any good, so why have it?
Novaks are fine, for actually aiming, but the ramped design of the rear sight makes it impossible to rack on a belt/waistline. Can be worked around, but not preferable
Do some Googling, my friend. I spent five minutes and read about multiple people who dropped a FLGR into their gun and reported it tightening up. They're a little more complicated to take apart, but that's alright with plenty of people. The point of impact is a training issue, and the weight can help to reduce felt recoil.
Fair point on the Novaks, but it's not enough of a detriment to dissuade me from using them altogether.
@JasonRedfield Tightening up is bad, not good, for a combat pistol. Racegun? Sure. The minimal weight increase can help. But that's not what I'm interested in.
Novaks are fine to use, but I don't understand why they go with the sloped design. You could have the exact same sight picture with an angular base and it'd be superior. I'm not picky at all about sights, but in the realm of comparable sights, I liked the Heine straight-8s on that Taurus PT145.
Fair enough, but then again, then it's what the individual is looking to use. And the shooter said he had some "rattle" in his weapon before the FLGR was installed, and I'm relatively sure you don't want THAT in a combat pistol, either.
Again, on the Novaks, personal preference.
Anyways, I think that's about as far as this discussion can go. It all comes down to the preferences of the individual shooter in the end.
Don't make the mistake of thinking functionality and "realistic use" applies only to combat pistols. A competition or recreational shooter may find a FLGR/Novaks perfectly functional, if not more so than alternatives. Even in terms of combat pistols, it's important that the user is comfortable with the weapon in question. As long as their modifications don't drastically reduce the firearm's performance, then they're fine in my book, and may help the performance of the shooter.
@JasonRedfield Reliability is the most important thing in a firearm. Period.
Whether or not a shooter likes the accessories is unrelated to how they'll perform under stress. Need to clear a malfunction or reload one-handed with Novaks? It's a lot harder than with normal sights -- or impossible, if you're not wearing sturdy shoes/boots to push the front sight against.
No. In many contexts, yes, but not all. What about precision sniping, even in a hostage situation? I'm relatively sure that pinpoint accuracy is just as, if not more important, than AK-like reliability there.
Not at all true. The feel of the gun of your gun in hand aids in familiarization and muscle memory, which is important to have under stress. And most shooters would be unable to do a one-handed reload in a gunfight regardless -- Novaks or no.
In the context of a hostage rescue, if the gun is incapable of making a pinpoint accurate shot capable of saving a life, then there's no point, and the situation may end up going worse than if the weapon hadn't fired at all (as has happened in real life).
You're talking about ridiculous amounts of practice to even have a hope of pulling that off in a reasonable amount of time. You could argue that they could just practice more with the Novaks.
@JasonRedfield Irrelevant. 99% of any situations you'd be shooting in won't be hostage rescue.
Not really? If you're not training with your guns, you shouldn't use them, anyway. One-handed reloads are one of the most important nonbasic drills to run on your handgun -- one of the biggest advantages of pistols is being able to use them with just one hand. Furthermore, I've never seen a stopwatch in a gunfight, to quote an excellent instructor, and there's no reason to believe I will.
Doesn't matter, you were generalizing and I was pointing out that there are situations where, in fact, reliability is not the #1 issue of importance.
Yeah, I don't argue that, but the fact is a lot of people don't train in them. You're changing the subject and introducing red herrings. The stopwatch thing is true, but if you don't think time and the ability to act (and react) quickly in a gunfight is important, then I don't know what to say.
I don't deny that there are overpriced guns, but from my experience, as well as what I've heard and read, there is nothing to indicate that the Kimber is such a weapon. By all indications, you get what you pay for.
I'm not sure about those three; saying something is "overpriced" is pretty subjective, after all.
@JasonRedfield For the internal extractor models, you could be right. I'd still rather pay less for a lot of other 1911s that I know are great, though; the fancier ones tend to sell on class rather than functionality, which isn't necessarily wrong, but not what I'm looking for. Maybe when I get rich and famous, eh? Haha.
I do not currently have a video of this pistol with the 5/64" (late) firing pin stop and heavier recoil spring. However, the difference is immediately noticeable to all who fire the pistol when compared to a standard 1911...
Nice shooting..
RandyMan388 2 months ago
wow!
mitchellnunez2012 4 months ago
SMOOTH BABY SMOOTH
TheDUBBITCH 7 months ago
to all the "Niggas" be afraid of this sarge! be very afraid!
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You said the same thing I said, DAMN!
MrNCCountryBoy 1 year ago
The one thing I like about any M1911A1, they have great balance, as with those M9s
Marine052191 1 year ago
The(10851)Man. Penal code, for Auto theft? Hmm, well, I hope I get into George Stone, I hope to get a degree in the area of Criminal Justice, and later I can become a Police Officer. My grandpa was the Garfield County Sheriff back in Utah, during the 70s or something. He's a good man, as many Officers/State Patrol are.
Marine052191 1 year ago
Omg! I can never handle my m1911A1 like that, but then again, I just put in an 18 1/2Lb Wilson combat recoil spring, and a full lenght guide rod. It should help recoil reduction, and reliability. Just recently I put on some Pachmayr American Legend grips! They are beautiful! Have fun, and keep safe! Oohrah!
Marine052191 1 year ago
@Marine052191 Actually, that'll hurt your reliability -- significantly. A FLGR offers no benefits, increases weight, changes point of impact, and is much easier to bind up on(especially during lots of firing) than a standard guide rod.
Grubbernaut 1 year ago
@Grubbernaut I have not noticed anything in particular about it binding, but I get tighter groups. The M1911A1, or M1911 never comes with a guide rod, as far as I've seen with G.I. models. I know some Kimbers, and Taurus makes them with FLGRs. If you are feeding me your "Personal experiences" well, just leave them for your friends. I've had nothing but positive feed back on my FLGR in my G.I. set up.
Marine052191 1 year ago
@Marine052191 FLGRs are a fad, nothing more. They also make it harder to take your gun apart. It does, in fact, come with a guide rod. I have pre-existing videos that show this(not to mention the bazillion others on youtube), but I can make another if you like.
Kimber and Taurus 1911s are junk, comparatively.
I'm a gunsmithing student. Do you lube your 1911 and clean it frequently? If so, then of course you don't have reliability issues. Even ARs run wet, but it's not a real-world test.
Grubbernaut 1 year ago
@Grubbernaut
Junk? Hardly. Nothing but respect for different designs, but Kimbers are widely regarded as some of the best, most well-made 1911s out there. There's a reason they're so expensive: you get what you paid for.
Taurus models aren't quite on the bleeding edge of performance, but they're decent and have good value for the price.
Essentially, you're coming off as elitist and close-minded.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield I should've clarified, yes; the external extractor models are notoriously unreliable. Furthermore, I question what they sought to gain from deviating from the design, but I suppose that's another issue.
The Taurus might be fine if you pluck the guide rod out, but it has a lot of features that are undesirable in a combat handgun. That rod, series 80-style safety system, and the Novak sights.
That being said, you can get a better gun for less, so I consider it obsolete.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
The external extractors didn't work out, but the internal ones seem to be high-quality.
I still think you're overstating the disadvantages of the FLGR. You make it sound like people are pouring molten lead into their gun by using one. I'm not saying it's always an improvement or a necessity, just that many shooters like them and report improvements in their gun by using them. I'm inclined to agree on the safety, but I'm a fan of Novaks myself. A lot of this is personal preference.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield It doesn't offer any advantages, and it creates detriments. Whether they're huge or not is mostly irrelevant. They make it harder to take apart, change the point of impact, make it slightly heavier, and create another (unnecessary) point for binding to occur much more easily. They don't do any good, so why have it?
Novaks are fine, for actually aiming, but the ramped design of the rear sight makes it impossible to rack on a belt/waistline. Can be worked around, but not preferable
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
Do some Googling, my friend. I spent five minutes and read about multiple people who dropped a FLGR into their gun and reported it tightening up. They're a little more complicated to take apart, but that's alright with plenty of people. The point of impact is a training issue, and the weight can help to reduce felt recoil.
Fair point on the Novaks, but it's not enough of a detriment to dissuade me from using them altogether.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield Tightening up is bad, not good, for a combat pistol. Racegun? Sure. The minimal weight increase can help. But that's not what I'm interested in.
Novaks are fine to use, but I don't understand why they go with the sloped design. You could have the exact same sight picture with an angular base and it'd be superior. I'm not picky at all about sights, but in the realm of comparable sights, I liked the Heine straight-8s on that Taurus PT145.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
Fair enough, but then again, then it's what the individual is looking to use. And the shooter said he had some "rattle" in his weapon before the FLGR was installed, and I'm relatively sure you don't want THAT in a combat pistol, either.
Again, on the Novaks, personal preference.
Anyways, I think that's about as far as this discussion can go. It all comes down to the preferences of the individual shooter in the end.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield Why not?
Maybe in terms of aesthetics, but not of functionality.
In the sense that they might like something because they find it cool, sure. There's clearly a better and worse option, though, for realistic use.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
Don't make the mistake of thinking functionality and "realistic use" applies only to combat pistols. A competition or recreational shooter may find a FLGR/Novaks perfectly functional, if not more so than alternatives. Even in terms of combat pistols, it's important that the user is comfortable with the weapon in question. As long as their modifications don't drastically reduce the firearm's performance, then they're fine in my book, and may help the performance of the shooter.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield Reliability is the most important thing in a firearm. Period.
Whether or not a shooter likes the accessories is unrelated to how they'll perform under stress. Need to clear a malfunction or reload one-handed with Novaks? It's a lot harder than with normal sights -- or impossible, if you're not wearing sturdy shoes/boots to push the front sight against.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
No. In many contexts, yes, but not all. What about precision sniping, even in a hostage situation? I'm relatively sure that pinpoint accuracy is just as, if not more important, than AK-like reliability there.
Not at all true. The feel of the gun of your gun in hand aids in familiarization and muscle memory, which is important to have under stress. And most shooters would be unable to do a one-handed reload in a gunfight regardless -- Novaks or no.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield If the gun doesn't go bang, there's no point...
Probably, but that means that most shooters need to practice more.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
In the context of a hostage rescue, if the gun is incapable of making a pinpoint accurate shot capable of saving a life, then there's no point, and the situation may end up going worse than if the weapon hadn't fired at all (as has happened in real life).
You're talking about ridiculous amounts of practice to even have a hope of pulling that off in a reasonable amount of time. You could argue that they could just practice more with the Novaks.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield Irrelevant. 99% of any situations you'd be shooting in won't be hostage rescue.
Not really? If you're not training with your guns, you shouldn't use them, anyway. One-handed reloads are one of the most important nonbasic drills to run on your handgun -- one of the biggest advantages of pistols is being able to use them with just one hand. Furthermore, I've never seen a stopwatch in a gunfight, to quote an excellent instructor, and there's no reason to believe I will.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
Doesn't matter, you were generalizing and I was pointing out that there are situations where, in fact, reliability is not the #1 issue of importance.
Yeah, I don't argue that, but the fact is a lot of people don't train in them. You're changing the subject and introducing red herrings. The stopwatch thing is true, but if you don't think time and the ability to act (and react) quickly in a gunfight is important, then I don't know what to say.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield Expense is another issue entirely, and there are a lot of overpriced guns -- and great value guns.
ARs are more expensive than they should be. SIGs too. Mini 14s, too.
A lot of price comes from hype/demand, not from quality. Not ALWAYS, surely, but it's a very real phenomenon in the gun industry.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
@Grubbernaut
I don't deny that there are overpriced guns, but from my experience, as well as what I've heard and read, there is nothing to indicate that the Kimber is such a weapon. By all indications, you get what you pay for.
I'm not sure about those three; saying something is "overpriced" is pretty subjective, after all.
JasonRedfield 11 months ago
@JasonRedfield For the internal extractor models, you could be right. I'd still rather pay less for a lot of other 1911s that I know are great, though; the fancier ones tend to sell on class rather than functionality, which isn't necessarily wrong, but not what I'm looking for. Maybe when I get rich and famous, eh? Haha.
Grubbernaut 11 months ago
I do not currently have a video of this pistol with the 5/64" (late) firing pin stop and heavier recoil spring. However, the difference is immediately noticeable to all who fire the pistol when compared to a standard 1911...
The10851Man 2 years ago
Do you have a video with a large radius firing pin stop and modern spring rates?
aikidokamks 2 years ago
Dang!
damarei 2 years ago 4
good control
OEFarredondo 2 years ago