I like how Vova broke this down to it's simplest. It's so awesome to see something like this answered so straight forward! It was a bit eye opening to the fact that we do seem to over ... add? things. Examples above. It's like trying to find meaning in a pet rock or mood ring. It's just something that changes color based on heat, that's it. I wish more people answered questions like this.
I believe it depends on you and your onlookers' societal or personal standards of what "good" is. Most of my audiences think I am good because I can easily do something that has proven difficult to them even though I use only three, four or five balls.
While it's a funny thought to imagine a person trying to communicate to a friend through juggling, it's a weak argument against expression through performance. A dancer wouldn't try to communicate to a friend by dancing either. I agree it should not be on the list of criteria for what makes a good juggler (good performer, yes), but it is possible to have expression and juggling go together. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, Vova.
"...but it is possible to have expression and juggling go together."
Did Vova say it is impossible?
"Just because you don't understand it..."
Understand what? That expression and juggling can't go together? I guess Vova thinks they can go together. I believe Vova said that you can't express yourself through pure juggling.
Express his personality through his juggling technique? Maybe he attempts, but I have troubles to imagine it. What does, say, 5 club backxx or 5 up pirouette express? Juggling technique expresses just juggling technique. Anyone can express him/herself while juggling, but I can't imagine he/she can express him/herself through juggling.
A good juggler is any person who has fun with it. That's what I think. If you're determined and want to juggle (not only juggle, anything else like magic let's say) then you're good.
Sure you can,If the juggling is controlled well and there are creative tricks used,surely you could call someone/yourself a good juggler no matter how many ball are involved! Watch Luke Burrages 2 ball routine if you havn't already seen it!?
Vova's totally correct on this. Going by the comments, people still seem to be under the impression that by 'juggler' he is talking about a performer. I am a juggler, and do not perform; I do it because it is a skill, and a sport, and thus worth doing for personal fulfillment. Were I to perform, I would have to exhibit other skills, in the vein of acting and performance arts, to keep the audience's attention, but these are seperate skills- one does not require the other.
Ok vova I'm not sure if you look at this and answer questions, but anyway I will ask in the hope that you will answer. My question is what makes a good juggler. Allow me to explain, I myself am a juggler and I would like to know what I would have to be able to do in order to be considered a good juggler, so if you could give me a trick or amount to juggle to be considered good I would be grateful.
They are seeking their fathers interest because they love him and he is pushing them alá tiger woods father but MUCH worse. i hope they get to do whatever they want when they grow up
Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world and Vova and Olga are the best jugglers in the world. Tiger Woods also enjoys golf very much and Vova and Olga also enjoy juggling very much. So perhaps being pushed by their fathers amounted to valuble dividends. If you want to be the best at something, you must make sacrifices when you're young. Liberaci was probably home practicing the piano when he was 6-years-old while his friends were at the beach. But he was the best pianist in the world.
I have the same feeling about a lot of things. Many people regard their technical skill that they practise as an "artform" whatever that is meant to mean. As you say, art, or the expression of whatever it may be, can be fused with many things, but in essence a master of a skill has pushed themself close to the limits of what is physically possible.
I think Vova and Olga are amazing people - not just good juggler's. You have to admire their determination and desire to be better. I hope they both are allowed to stay in the US - they deserve it.
hey Vova, we have 1 jason already.. Okay, u know that Bliss is not a juggler but a entertainer.. still juggling _really can_ express things and it can be real art (like dancing). i am big fan of contact/figure juggling with clubs and my opinion is that throwing stuff high into air isnt best way to use anybodys skills.. but i am theatre worker and diabolist so maybe my opinions arent very important to you..
You say in the Time magazine article that you are "probably the bottom team when it comes to presenting it". No, you are not! After seeing one of your videos and went on and watched nearly ALL of them. You are real and your performance is very captivating. It's like with music, there is crap music made just for entertainment and profit, and there is real music. Thanks for sharing the videos on YouTube! They are all awesome! I've always wanted to try juggling and now I feel inspired. :)
Hey people reading these, did you all know Vova is in TIME magazine this month? Here's the article online. I had just found this youtube video section recently and then Today Time came, and there I find an article about my new favorite people Vova, and Olga!
Here's the web version of the Time article about them --
Yes, V&O are good in the entertainment sense - I've seen that from their other videos right here at YouTube. But, I think what Vova was talking about is "pure" juggling, like the juggling at the TWJ competitions. The two are different things. I just think that it is more important for juggling to grow by having a competitive entertainment element. Sort of like an ice skating or a gymnastics competition in the Olympics - there are certain required elements, along with an artistic element.
I agree with you. I don't juggle (well, at least), but I play drums. And to people who not trained as a drummer, the flashy entertainer who plays basic beats can be seen as a better drummer than one who utilizes rudiments and more technical beats. Take the movie "Drumline." I had countless people tell me I wasn't as good as Nick Cannon because that movie had more flashy moves than skilled ones.
I agree with you 100%.....express your self through juggling hahahahaha...You mean you dont know what im saying when doing a reverse cascade ....ha ha ha
As an artist, I feel that people express themselves in many ways. People do express themselves through juggling. Just because you are a brilliant juggler does not mean you are qualified to comment on how people express themselves. Open your mind to possibilites like you did when you first started juggling.
Axelgrease, regardless of my juggling ability, I, just like anyone else, have the right to comment on anything including on how people "express themselves". And I have never seen ANY juggler attempt to actually express themselves through juggling. I've seen jugglers attempt to convey a certain character WHILE juggling - by adding performance elements to their juggling. I have never seen a person try to communicate something through pure juggling... and I've seen a lot of jugglers.
vova, i'm an instant fan. i'm a film editor, and similarly it's somehow a seriously mundane philosophy to be a skillful editor... or juggler. it's not the message. it's how the whole is portrayed. complexity is something, but the finesse of the juggling 'set' or in my world, the balance of the program is they key to a success. too much of something is no good. all parts of the whole need to compound together to reach a greater good. otherwise it's a failure.
"Ok,so the best juggler in the world could be really skillful but absolutely boring."
I'm agree with that... i don't think that the most skilfull juggler is a good juggler.. i mean it is but it will be better one that has a creative way to juggle and put some stetic.
I also value creativity. I like watching creative jugglers. Being creative, makes them creative jugglers, which is absolutely irrelevant to the video. The video was about what made a juggler good.
and your point is..? The best programmer in the world could be really skillful and absolutely boring as well. This video is about what in my opinion constitutes a good juggler and in my opinion being entertaining or boring has nothing at all to do with juggling itself.
Chris Bliss. Good point. So much for my PM to Jason.
What I meant by "express yourself" was that the juggler has a style. You juggle differently than Dietz. Dietz juggles differently than Gatto. Jason has shown the ability to juggle in many different styles & characters.
I agree whole heartedly about exhibiting control over the juggling. I think that's what I was trying to express about being "solid."
I agree with you completely on your definition. BUT - I think for your sport to take off, you have to be entertaining too. You've got the skills, there's no question, and as a pure juggler you're at the very top. But that "pure juggling" has a limited audience. To really have a mass appeal, you have to entertain.
I agree with this, and I've also seen enough to know that V & O are also "good" in the sense of doing entertainment centered around the juggling. I'm a fan for life.
I like how Vova broke this down to it's simplest. It's so awesome to see something like this answered so straight forward! It was a bit eye opening to the fact that we do seem to over ... add? things. Examples above. It's like trying to find meaning in a pet rock or mood ring. It's just something that changes color based on heat, that's it. I wish more people answered questions like this.
LunarFurorGames 11 months ago
Juggling is a sport that never ends. Even if you juggle with 1000 balls, you will always be trying to juggle with 1001 balls. =)
drixjpl 1 year ago
A good juggler drops all his clubs at once at the end of succesfully executed tricks, like Vova does L) ^_^
5hinRyu 2 years ago
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Blusiquo 2 years ago
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Blusiquo 2 years ago
cheers to that, Vova
killinchef 2 years ago
a good juggler is a juggler that is good at juggling... or is that way too obvious? haha
JugglingTricks 3 years ago 3
I believe it depends on you and your onlookers' societal or personal standards of what "good" is. Most of my audiences think I am good because I can easily do something that has proven difficult to them even though I use only three, four or five balls.
5hinRyu 2 years ago
HAHA. So matter of fact, so logical, so funny. True dat Vova.
askowalc 3 years ago
While it's a funny thought to imagine a person trying to communicate to a friend through juggling, it's a weak argument against expression through performance. A dancer wouldn't try to communicate to a friend by dancing either. I agree it should not be on the list of criteria for what makes a good juggler (good performer, yes), but it is possible to have expression and juggling go together. Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, Vova.
atmadja19 3 years ago
"...but it is possible to have expression and juggling go together."
Did Vova say it is impossible?
"Just because you don't understand it..."
Understand what? That expression and juggling can't go together? I guess Vova thinks they can go together. I believe Vova said that you can't express yourself through pure juggling.
Galchenko 3 years ago
i think that Wes Peden definately attempts to express his personality throught his juggling technique and style...
danmeakin 3 years ago
Express his personality through his juggling technique? Maybe he attempts, but I have troubles to imagine it. What does, say, 5 club backxx or 5 up pirouette express? Juggling technique expresses just juggling technique. Anyone can express him/herself while juggling, but I can't imagine he/she can express him/herself through juggling.
Galchenko 3 years ago
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t1mo0n 2 years ago
A good juggler is any person who has fun with it. That's what I think. If you're determined and want to juggle (not only juggle, anything else like magic let's say) then you're good.
berniebay 4 years ago
Sure you can,If the juggling is controlled well and there are creative tricks used,surely you could call someone/yourself a good juggler no matter how many ball are involved! Watch Luke Burrages 2 ball routine if you havn't already seen it!?
maiL1984 4 years ago
Can you be a good juggler and only do, say, 3 balls?
Yomay 4 years ago
erm... interesting questions
what do you think?
lewisjmkennedy01 3 years ago
i can't remember posting this?
wtf
lewisjmkennedy01 2 years ago
I agree with what Vova said about Chris bliss he only juggles 3 balls and that is what a good entertainer does.
petervova 4 years ago
Vova's totally correct on this. Going by the comments, people still seem to be under the impression that by 'juggler' he is talking about a performer. I am a juggler, and do not perform; I do it because it is a skill, and a sport, and thus worth doing for personal fulfillment. Were I to perform, I would have to exhibit other skills, in the vein of acting and performance arts, to keep the audience's attention, but these are seperate skills- one does not require the other.
IcallitVera 4 years ago
Ok vova I'm not sure if you look at this and answer questions, but anyway I will ask in the hope that you will answer. My question is what makes a good juggler. Allow me to explain, I myself am a juggler and I would like to know what I would have to be able to do in order to be considered a good juggler, so if you could give me a trick or amount to juggle to be considered good I would be grateful.
3ballsup 4 years ago
Great points. I completely agree.
Plibit4 4 years ago
They are seeking their fathers interest because they love him and he is pushing them alá tiger woods father but MUCH worse. i hope they get to do whatever they want when they grow up
alihme 5 years ago
Tiger Woods is the best golfer in the world and Vova and Olga are the best jugglers in the world. Tiger Woods also enjoys golf very much and Vova and Olga also enjoy juggling very much. So perhaps being pushed by their fathers amounted to valuble dividends. If you want to be the best at something, you must make sacrifices when you're young. Liberaci was probably home practicing the piano when he was 6-years-old while his friends were at the beach. But he was the best pianist in the world.
JohnnyCreampuff 3 years ago 2
actually olga quit juggling because she didnt enjoy juggling
RnDvids 3 years ago
I have the same feeling about a lot of things. Many people regard their technical skill that they practise as an "artform" whatever that is meant to mean. As you say, art, or the expression of whatever it may be, can be fused with many things, but in essence a master of a skill has pushed themself close to the limits of what is physically possible.
hpesoj00 5 years ago
I think Vova and Olga are amazing people - not just good juggler's. You have to admire their determination and desire to be better. I hope they both are allowed to stay in the US - they deserve it.
Alfaguy 5 years ago
i'm a fan =)
Cipri 5 years ago
You're amazing!
^_^!
Vegita 5 years ago
hey Vova, we have 1 jason already.. Okay, u know that Bliss is not a juggler but a entertainer.. still juggling _really can_ express things and it can be real art (like dancing). i am big fan of contact/figure juggling with clubs and my opinion is that throwing stuff high into air isnt best way to use anybodys skills.. but i am theatre worker and diabolist so maybe my opinions arent very important to you..
iussiu 5 years ago
Art: that which is, like religion, not able to be quantified by any means particularly science.
Art: The practice of a discipline without expressing purely technical skill
Art: Bullshit
UW
ultimatewannabe 5 years ago
You say in the Time magazine article that you are "probably the bottom team when it comes to presenting it". No, you are not! After seeing one of your videos and went on and watched nearly ALL of them. You are real and your performance is very captivating. It's like with music, there is crap music made just for entertainment and profit, and there is real music. Thanks for sharing the videos on YouTube! They are all awesome! I've always wanted to try juggling and now I feel inspired. :)
songs4cf 5 years ago
You're amazing!
barth36 5 years ago
ohh i saw u performing @ the promanade! lol :) cool video...i agree with u :)
MrsCoconuts 5 years ago
Hey people reading these, did you all know Vova is in TIME magazine this month? Here's the article online. I had just found this youtube video section recently and then Today Time came, and there I find an article about my new favorite people Vova, and Olga!
Here's the web version of the Time article about them --
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1214960,00.html
bluelightnin 5 years ago
Yes, V&O are good in the entertainment sense - I've seen that from their other videos right here at YouTube. But, I think what Vova was talking about is "pure" juggling, like the juggling at the TWJ competitions. The two are different things. I just think that it is more important for juggling to grow by having a competitive entertainment element. Sort of like an ice skating or a gymnastics competition in the Olympics - there are certain required elements, along with an artistic element.
jgroub 5 years ago
Oh, this was a reply to smijer's reply to me.
jgroub 5 years ago
Vova, as far as I'm concerned - you exhibited opinionated thoguhts on juggling and conveyed your thoughts in a clear and understandable way.
BTW, you're amazing! What are you up to in the States? Do you make money thorugh juggling?
Keep up the good work!
dujkan 5 years ago
I agree with you. I don't juggle (well, at least), but I play drums. And to people who not trained as a drummer, the flashy entertainer who plays basic beats can be seen as a better drummer than one who utilizes rudiments and more technical beats. Take the movie "Drumline." I had countless people tell me I wasn't as good as Nick Cannon because that movie had more flashy moves than skilled ones.
rackfocus 5 years ago
I agree with you 100%.....express your self through juggling hahahahaha...You mean you dont know what im saying when doing a reverse cascade ....ha ha ha
paul10812 5 years ago
Vovo,
You rock! And thank you for your opinion. I think I could watch you and Olga for hours, and cheer the whole time.
bluelightnin 5 years ago
As an artist, I feel that people express themselves in many ways. People do express themselves through juggling. Just because you are a brilliant juggler does not mean you are qualified to comment on how people express themselves. Open your mind to possibilites like you did when you first started juggling.
axelgrease 5 years ago
Axelgrease, regardless of my juggling ability, I, just like anyone else, have the right to comment on anything including on how people "express themselves". And I have never seen ANY juggler attempt to actually express themselves through juggling. I've seen jugglers attempt to convey a certain character WHILE juggling - by adding performance elements to their juggling. I have never seen a person try to communicate something through pure juggling... and I've seen a lot of jugglers.
VovaGalchenko 5 years ago 4
vova, i'm an instant fan. i'm a film editor, and similarly it's somehow a seriously mundane philosophy to be a skillful editor... or juggler. it's not the message. it's how the whole is portrayed. complexity is something, but the finesse of the juggling 'set' or in my world, the balance of the program is they key to a success. too much of something is no good. all parts of the whole need to compound together to reach a greater good. otherwise it's a failure.
praxisseizure 5 years ago
He sounds really, really nervous.
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johnnycade14 5 years ago
"Ok,so the best juggler in the world could be really skillful but absolutely boring."
I'm agree with that... i don't think that the most skilfull juggler is a good juggler.. i mean it is but it will be better one that has a creative way to juggle and put some stetic.
Diclonium 5 years ago
I also value creativity. I like watching creative jugglers. Being creative, makes them creative jugglers, which is absolutely irrelevant to the video. The video was about what made a juggler good.
VovaGalchenko 5 years ago
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sexyboy316 5 years ago
very true, evry word of it
jmercredi88 5 years ago
Finally, some one finaly just says very briefly what chriss bliss is: A good entertainer,but not juggler. Hurray!
minimanofjuggling 5 years ago
Ok,so the best juggler in the world could be really skillful but absolutely boring.
Grockclown 5 years ago
and your point is..? The best programmer in the world could be really skillful and absolutely boring as well. This video is about what in my opinion constitutes a good juggler and in my opinion being entertaining or boring has nothing at all to do with juggling itself.
VovaGalchenko 5 years ago 2
Thanks Vova.
Chris Bliss. Good point. So much for my PM to Jason.
What I meant by "express yourself" was that the juggler has a style. You juggle differently than Dietz. Dietz juggles differently than Gatto. Jason has shown the ability to juggle in many different styles & characters.
I agree whole heartedly about exhibiting control over the juggling. I think that's what I was trying to express about being "solid."
master3bs 5 years ago
I agree with you completely on your definition. BUT - I think for your sport to take off, you have to be entertaining too. You've got the skills, there's no question, and as a pure juggler you're at the very top. But that "pure juggling" has a limited audience. To really have a mass appeal, you have to entertain.
jgroub 5 years ago
I agree with this, and I've also seen enough to know that V & O are also "good" in the sense of doing entertainment centered around the juggling. I'm a fan for life.
smijer 5 years ago