$cientology would be an hilarious joke if it wasn't for the thousands of people they injure, oh my God, when will someone put this trashy Cult in the trash can ?
Scientology opposes psychology for the same reason the Flat Earth Society opposes geology. While psychology did do some fucked up stuff (like lobotomy) so did medicine. No one opposes modern medicine on the grounds that doctors once used leaches.
You've always got to handle copies. BTs will copy. Obsessive duplication is a BT characteristic. Maybe all that engrams are is excessive copying.
The 3 10 days to destimulate rule; it's not the incident that was restimulated that takes 3 10 days to destimulate, it takes 3 10 days for all the copies and copying to fade out.
Stress is also a heavy button. You get a lot of copying of stress. So you handle the original, then copies somebody copying what was run.
While there are those who have been helped by psycho-tropic drugs, there are also those who have committed violent crimes after taking such drugs. The implict belief in this report that this murder was committed because Jeremy was not taking psycho-tropic drugs is as deceptive as the belief that people who commit such heinous crimes must be "mentally-ill." Our criminal justice system has been undermined by a new system of morality that uses psychiatric terms of absolution.
My interpretation of the video is that because Jeremy was denied Psychiatric help, Jeremy's mental condition was left untreated. No one knows what Jeremy would have done if he had received psychiatric help, but we all know what he did when he was told to take more vitamins. I believe that is the point of the video.
I don't think you truly believe that vitamins caused Jeremy's violent outburst. The truth of the matter is Jeremy wasn't denied psychiatric "help," he didn't want psychiatric "help." There is a big difference between the two.
You are correct. I don't believe vitamins caused Jeremy's violent outburst. It was Jeremy's religious beliefs that denied him psychiatric "help". If we can agree that Jeremy was mentally unstable, then how can Jeremy have the mental capacity to accept or reject treatment? His religion denied him that avenue of assistance. Bassed upon your above statement; should we, as a society, then allow mentally unstable persons to decide if they need treatment?
If you are referring to every and anyone who is mentally unstable, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is that there is a presumption that all mentally unstable people are by default "mentally-ill." Have you seen the latest massacres in the news? One was a law enforcement officer and the other was a high school student. Neither one was so-called "mentally-ill." This media driven belief that only the "mentally-ill" commit such acts is both foolish and dangerous.
I'm glad to see we agree. I have heard that the student was considered "mentally troubled", and I agree that that might not be "mentally-ill". I also agree that a belief that only the "mentally-ill" commit such acts is foolish. But this brings us further from the topic at hand. On August 14, 2001, Jeremy was arrested for trespassing and later remanded to a local hospital after a court-ordered psychiatric exam confirmed that he was schizophrenic.
Elli convinced the court to release him into her custody and sought alternative treatment, refusing the use of anti-psychotic drugs. Jeremy's defense attorney stated his condition declined over the summer of 02. Jeremy was classified a level III "Potential Trouble Source", banned from taking further Scientology courses. Jeremy has since been diagnosed "Dangerously Mentally Ill". Hindsight being 20/20, wouldn't you agree that psychiatric "help" may have been benificial to Jeremy and his family?
It would, of course, be ludicrous for me to suggest or imply that people diagnosed with schizophrenia don't engage in acts of violence. Certainly people labeled mentally-ill are subject to the same whims and quirks that all human beings are. What puzzles me is why his mom - who must have known about Jeremy's potential for violence - would refuse any type of treatment that could have prevented his violent outburst.
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I agree entirely. He should have been recieving counceling or taking natural "medicines" like Omega-3 (fish oil, which Americans and New Zealanders are especially deprived of).
$cientology would be an hilarious joke if it wasn't for the thousands of people they injure, oh my God, when will someone put this trashy Cult in the trash can ?
crowley611 9 months ago
@bassmonkey76 cant wait until tom cruise leaves with his "Mother Ship"... that moron
chavezery 11 months ago
Tom Cruise is a twat
jenny8632 4 years ago 4
Scientology opposes psychology for the same reason the Flat Earth Society opposes geology. While psychology did do some fucked up stuff (like lobotomy) so did medicine. No one opposes modern medicine on the grounds that doctors once used leaches.
MetaMorphy 4 years ago 5
So true.
fredsneakers 4 years ago
I think you should google: "the brainwashing manual"
That'll have more to do with your claims.
Hasstradamus 3 years ago
@Hasstradamus
COPIES
You've always got to handle copies. BTs will copy. Obsessive duplication is a BT characteristic. Maybe all that engrams are is excessive copying.
The 3 10 days to destimulate rule; it's not the incident that was restimulated that takes 3 10 days to destimulate, it takes 3 10 days for all the copies and copying to fade out.
Stress is also a heavy button. You get a lot of copying of stress. So you handle the original, then copies somebody copying what was run.
OpenComments 2 years ago
Holy Shit! Scientologists and apologists, EVERYWHERE!
This tragedy could've been prevented had they done one of the two things:
A: Given him proper psychiatric care
B: Hospitalised him
But Scientologists are too fucking stupid to figure out that when someone is schizophrenic, they need attention by a doctor.
riveroose 4 years ago 4
This case presumably is the exception...
irrikan 4 years ago
While there are those who have been helped by psycho-tropic drugs, there are also those who have committed violent crimes after taking such drugs. The implict belief in this report that this murder was committed because Jeremy was not taking psycho-tropic drugs is as deceptive as the belief that people who commit such heinous crimes must be "mentally-ill." Our criminal justice system has been undermined by a new system of morality that uses psychiatric terms of absolution.
Hannibalized 4 years ago
My interpretation of the video is that because Jeremy was denied Psychiatric help, Jeremy's mental condition was left untreated. No one knows what Jeremy would have done if he had received psychiatric help, but we all know what he did when he was told to take more vitamins. I believe that is the point of the video.
yeldawk 4 years ago
I don't think you truly believe that vitamins caused Jeremy's violent outburst. The truth of the matter is Jeremy wasn't denied psychiatric "help," he didn't want psychiatric "help." There is a big difference between the two.
Hannibalized 4 years ago
You are correct. I don't believe vitamins caused Jeremy's violent outburst. It was Jeremy's religious beliefs that denied him psychiatric "help". If we can agree that Jeremy was mentally unstable, then how can Jeremy have the mental capacity to accept or reject treatment? His religion denied him that avenue of assistance. Bassed upon your above statement; should we, as a society, then allow mentally unstable persons to decide if they need treatment?
yeldawk 4 years ago
If you are referring to every and anyone who is mentally unstable, then I wholeheartedly agree with you. The problem is that there is a presumption that all mentally unstable people are by default "mentally-ill." Have you seen the latest massacres in the news? One was a law enforcement officer and the other was a high school student. Neither one was so-called "mentally-ill." This media driven belief that only the "mentally-ill" commit such acts is both foolish and dangerous.
Hannibalized 4 years ago
I'm glad to see we agree. I have heard that the student was considered "mentally troubled", and I agree that that might not be "mentally-ill". I also agree that a belief that only the "mentally-ill" commit such acts is foolish. But this brings us further from the topic at hand. On August 14, 2001, Jeremy was arrested for trespassing and later remanded to a local hospital after a court-ordered psychiatric exam confirmed that he was schizophrenic.
yeldawk 4 years ago
Elli convinced the court to release him into her custody and sought alternative treatment, refusing the use of anti-psychotic drugs. Jeremy's defense attorney stated his condition declined over the summer of 02. Jeremy was classified a level III "Potential Trouble Source", banned from taking further Scientology courses. Jeremy has since been diagnosed "Dangerously Mentally Ill". Hindsight being 20/20, wouldn't you agree that psychiatric "help" may have been benificial to Jeremy and his family?
yeldawk 4 years ago
It would, of course, be ludicrous for me to suggest or imply that people diagnosed with schizophrenia don't engage in acts of violence. Certainly people labeled mentally-ill are subject to the same whims and quirks that all human beings are. What puzzles me is why his mom - who must have known about Jeremy's potential for violence - would refuse any type of treatment that could have prevented his violent outburst.
Hannibalized 4 years ago
Amen brother
yeldawk 4 years ago
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I agree entirely. He should have been recieving counceling or taking natural "medicines" like Omega-3 (fish oil, which Americans and New Zealanders are especially deprived of).
shounenbat510 4 years ago
But I thought Scientology had the science of mind! The guy was taking his vitamins, he should have been OK, right?
jxhensley 4 years ago 3