"I'm just saying women who get them are cruel, heartless, irresponsible beings who don't deserve the joy of motherhood once they've killed their own child." Your just digging yourself a bigger hole, your feelings on women have been recorded, no need to keep digging.
I am not misogynistic. There was some sarcasm in my last comment. I maintain that abortion used as birth control is (aside from rape and medical danger) immoral. I'm agnostic, so god factors not into my opinion. Women who do such things don't deserve motherhood. I ultimately broke up with my girlfriend because she aborted my kid, so pardon me for having a low opinion of feticide
@depauw2004 On the contrary I'd say you fit the image of a misogynist quite well, what with quotes like "Women who do such things don't deserve motherhoood." I think it's safe to say you hate women.
I don't hate women. Just those that don't mind killing their offspring for selfish reasons because they are too irresponsible and heartless to face the consequences of their actions.
I'm not back-peddling. Let me be clear. I'm not actually saying that there should be laws made to prevent women from having abortions. That would be silly. I'm just saying women who get them are cruel, heartless, irresponsible beings who don't deserve the joy of motherhood once they've killed their own child. Even more so, when the father wants the child.
@depauw2004 You're talking about a devoted, loving, and quite responsible mother and wife. You're talking about me- and I'd appreciate NOT being lied about. Oh, and I'm anything but cruel.. how kind are you..? Do you, say, nurse the elderly and handicapped for a living? Or volunteer at programs for battered women, or children's homes, or for LGBT teens who have been beaten/RAPED by their own family members?
...You certainly know more about my life than i do- please keep talking, psychic.
@souljahbunny1 They both rest on the notion that a certain group of human beings (Africans in the case of slavery and unborn children in the case of abortion) are not persons and therefore have no rights. In that way, they are the same.
@MARLONBART The decision to enslave a person and the decision to terminate a pregnancy are still completely different. If anything forcing a woman to carry a fetus to full term against her own wishes would be a better comparison to slavery.
@souljahbunny1 Actually, dismembering a helpless, innocent baby while she sleeps in the womb because her "owner" believes she is "not fully human" is more comparable to slavery. Would you oppose forcing a woman to refrain from killing a child in the crib despite her own wishes? If so, you should support forcing her not to kill the child in her womb either.
@MARLONBART So then what is the solution when a woman addicted to crack gets pregnant? Or a woman is raped? Some women cannot parent...What if they end up pregnant? Is it fair for these kids to be born addicted to crack or resented by their mothers because of how they were conceived? Simply saying use protection doesn't work that's not a realistic expectation whether it should be or not it really isn't.
@MARLONBART I'm pro-choice, and know a fetus is human DNA. I also an intelligent enough to know that consent to sex is not automatic consent to parenthood or pregnancy, and that a slave is outside of a person's body, can think and feel, is independent, and that people like you who try to compare abortion to slavery or the holocaust are inherently racist for comparing jews/blacks to unthinking, unfeeling human shells w. no memories, opinions, or life experiences.. My husband is black, racist rat.
@MARLONBART They dont have human rights , until a baby takes its first breathe they are not considered a human . Decided by The Supreme Court Of Canada ...
This argument carries no weight whatsoever if the unborn is human. So much time is wasted in this debate. Ask yourself one question. What is the unborn? If the unborn isn't human, then you need no justification. If the unborn is human, abortion is murder. You need to consider 4 things: 1) Size 2) Level of development 3) Environment-in/out of womb 4) level of dependency. Analyzing each of these attributes leads you to conclude the unborn is human. Abortion is murder. Period.
@mrhankie2025 Killing is not intrinsically murder, and you can kill a human legally under quite a few pretenses. Human, person, fetus, baby, born,an d alive don't all mean the same thing. A fetus is not a person.. and even if it was, it has no 'right' to be inside of another person w/o their permission, against their will.. abortion is legal for the same reasons adoption is.
human rights Mr Del Mastro ... meaning the right to choose to abort or not !!
also someone should state he is a member of the conservative government , the same government that wants to privatize healthcare ... so lets ban abortions and make women who cant afford the child to have them anyways ...
No one has the right to kill - the choice to kill or not is not a choice - study biology - study the pregnancy and see for yourself that we cannot allow to terminate one's life!!!
The Supreme Court in this country has ruled that any limits on reproductive rights is unconstitutional. The only way to make Abortion illegal is to invoke the Notwithstanding clase. I don't think any politician will have the balls to do that as it is only valid for 5 years.
@gundamWWW Reminds of those who said, "if you don't like slavery, don't own a slave." Hmm, and the Supreme Court once ruled that limits on slave ownership were unconstitutional as well! What do you know? I quess the Supreme Court can be wrong from time to time. Who woulda thought?
@gundamWWW Yes but you see those who supported slavery thought it wasn't about owning another human being. They thought Africans were property, not person. The same is true with abortion. Those who support it believe the unborn child is property (or "the woman's body"), not a person. The unborn is not a part of the woman's body.
Jst one problem. If the unborn child is not a part of the women, why is it attached by an umbilical cord? This is really a debate that can go around circles. I am not a "fan" of abortion, I would encourage women to keep the child and give it up for adoption (many families can't have children the natural way) but I do think that at the end of the day this is a decision for a pregnant woman to make.
After the baby is born, pro choice and pro life people won't help raise the child.
@gundamWWW We are attached by an umbilical cord to our mother's womb for the first 9 months of our lives because that is the way nature, or God, determined it to be. It's completely natural. We were all there, including you. Being in utero (our location) doesn't mean we aren't living and human (human beings), and therefor persons, persons with the fundament right to life.
He may believe in what he says or he may not - it makes no difference. He and his ilk say what they think will get them elected, regardless of truth or accuracy. He follows the Conservative Party line because he is told to do so. There are some intelligent Tories but this guy is just a puppet. Elect someone with some intelligence and integrity, someone who can think for himself and not just vote the way he is told to vote, someone, ANYONE else!
So his mom made a difficult.... what's that word? Where there are two things to do and can only do one or the other? You're not forced to do either, but you have to pick one over the other. Oh yeah, I remember now, CHOICE.
Sperm, an individual? A new and unique life is created upon conception which requires contact between an ovum and a sperm. How can a sperm be an individual?
A man with backbone, way to go brother, great speech and God bless you and our great country as well, may the Lord forgive us for not standing tall against this silent genocide.
Why should anyone have to be forced to have a baby against their own will....its the mothers who gets to choose and no one else..mind your buisness and live your life...
@MARLONBART .Ok.but thats their opinion..thats just what it is..its what they "think" how does an abortion of a complete stranger affect your life at all.?!.Just because you think its wrong .you will try to control what happens in someone elses life.?.DO you know that baby.?.Do you know the woman who is going to have the abortion.? Do you know if the woman is financially stable to have a baby.?If the mother cant take care a the child you think should be born .will you help them.?!
@jCarlos088 There are literally thousands of charitable organiztions to help mother's who chose not to kill their babies! Housing, utilities, food,clothing,education, vehicles, jobs, diapers etc. We are helping those babies and their mom's. We all know that rape,pediphilia etc are wrong.What if they legalize them, ill you turn your back as a woman is raped in the part, a neighbor ushers young children into his den?We must have chariy of mind,voice & actions, especially for those weakest
@jCarlos088 In my opinion rape is wrong, just my opinion. Just b/c I think it is wrong, I shouldn't try to control what happens in someone elses life, right? WRONG!After all, according to you what happens to complete strangers shouldn't affect me, right? WRONG!
@jCarlos088 Can i just point out that this zealotry of ITS MY BODY even in the comments here but especially at rallies is all well and good but you also have the choice to have sex or not, the child doesnt have the same choice, it cant ask you not to have sex or give it to some parent who wont abort it. its unequal no matter how you put it. its an invalid argument to support murder.No one forced her to concieve,she had al the 'choice' there
@franklinvp: I agree! In fact, let women have the choice even after the baby is born! Why should the baby's location have any bearing on the issue? It's the mother's choice that is most important, right?
@franklinvp No mother has to make the difficult 'choice' of killing her own baby, the baby she indeed helped to create. Unless the baby is threatening the mother's very life. If the mother will surely die if she carries the baby to term. If the mother DOES NOT kill the baby, the baby will DEFINETLY KILL HER, no mother should have the 'choice to kill her own life blood!
what about if a woman is raped?how do ppl feel about women on welfare having more children?how about deformaties that will cost ppl millions and millions in healthcare?
@incubiculo Would it be okay to kill a born child because she/he is the product of a rape? Or because their mother is on welfare? Or because she as a "deformity"?
If not, then it is not okay to kill an unborn child for those reasons either.
@MARLONBART lots of ppl are up in arms over healthcare and welfare feeling why should i pay .should a women on welfare be made to have her tubes tied,and paid for by the public?i feel we all should have healthcare no matter what,we never know we are healthy now but may not always be.
@MARLONBART on the subject of rape.how much would this play on the mind of the victim?sure adoption is an options.everyone don't think the same.if forced by law and didn't have the child aborted.wouldn't you think some would find a way to get rid of this child anyway?then what try them for murder.maybe have a time limit of when abotion can be preformed.
@MARLONBART just want to thank you for your reply. as a whole we are entitled to our views and give you much respect for that,and hopefully i get that in return for mine.
How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the product of rape Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the product of rape.I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse! By that same thought,should we not also kill the poor,the depressed, the children starving in Africa,or anyone else who suffers?After all,in OUR estimation their lives are not worth living,it's just too painful for them.They disagree!!
I'll get pregnant as many times as possible, then have abortions after the third month of being pregnant so I deliver a potato sized 1/3 developed dead fetus, then I'll take the fetus, put it in a jar of preservative liquid and put it on a shelf in a secret room in my house until I have so many the rooms walls are nothing but potato sized aborted fetuses. Then I'll have a kid and when theyre bad I'll make them sit in the fetus room and remind them of how easy I could have aborted their ass.
Harper is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't on this one. Why was this brought up now? To put him in a corner, that's why. This issue was raised by the oposition now for no other reason than political gain. And its sad both sides of the debate are being duped by it. We all know where Conservatives stand on abortion, and for those hoping to end abortion.... a Liberal won't get you there. Just the oposite in fact.
yes they are, coz the body ain't the lady's, they r just housing it. I live in my mum's house does he have total rights over just because she accomodates me? no way
So why should a mother kill her child just coz she accomodates him in her womb for nine months. Where's the child's right?
Ok, but this fetus isn't paying for rent or feeding itself, it is totally dependent on the mother for survival. The fetus cannot live without the mother, whereas the mother CAN live without the baby. It is essentially a parasite.
A newborn, someone in a coma, an alzheimer's patient, etc are not paying rent or feeding themselves either. They are totally dependent on another for survival. By your logic, all these are not persons either, are parasites, and can be killed at will.
God help us, for if the pro-abortion mentality advances much further we are all in danger.
"Silent Holocaust"? Wow, that is unbelievably offensive to those who actually lived through the real holocaust. Why must you use such a loaded term? Is it because it works well as propaganda?
@hschan4 yes, "silent holocaust" is the most apropriate term. It's not ofensive at all, it's just politically incorect, but very realistic in the same time. Most of us like to think they are not as evil as Hitler and his Nazi because they are not anti-semites and they don't want to kill Jews, but instead they think just like the Nazi when talking about the life of the speechless and defenseless among us.
What if it doesn't begin at conception though? What if it begins at birth? If we are defining things as alive purely from biological perspective than doesn't that mean that sperm are alive to? Does that mean masturbation counts as genocide?
Fellow Christians, There is a "hate crimes bill" S.909 that was devised by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith in order to criminalize Christianity. Any Good Christian who publicly stands up for traditional marriage or protests the millions of babies murdered by abortion will be thrown in jail like in Canada. Check out truthtellers and watch Rev. Ted Pike's videos explaining the danger and then call your Senators toll free at 877-851-6437 and tell them NO on S.909. Save Our Constitution
This isn't a left or right issue, its about the basic human right of having dominion over your own body. Although its funny you should mention, Fascists such as the Nazis were also against abortion as well... coincidence?
They didn't allow any abortions for their master race, it was against the law. Is that what you seek to create? A master race with a fat fucking greaseball like Dean Del Maestro at it's head?
It's about the basic human right of EVERYONE having control over their own body, including small people. How old, pray tell, do you have to be before the government protects you? 5 years old?
Old enough to know you're alive? So you have to be, say, 6 months? It sounds to me that abortion is the gateway for this nation to turn into a regular little fascist Germany, getting rid of all handicapped people, mentally challenged people, and people whom WE judge to be of less significance.
Since apparently we've decided that our convenience comes over the lives of unborn babies, and we've justified it by putting them into some kind of subhuman category based on their level of development.
Funny you should mention that though because the Nazis were staunchly pro-life when it came to the German people (the healthy, "aryan" ones) and it was against the law for German citizens to get an abortion since the German war machine needed to have more babies that they could make into dead soldiers.
True. But I was referring to murder when I mentioned Germany, not abortion.
And on top of that, German citizens forced some non-Aryans to have abortions. Which is actually precisely my point... in this country, the people who have decided that they are more important are dictating who should and should not be allowed to live.
No one is forcing people to own slaves, its simply allowing white slave masters to choose, if you don't like slavery, then don't buy a black slave, simple as that.
Well it can be definitely proven that a slave is a human being, as they are not dependant on another living body for oxygen, sustenance etc. so this whole slavery/abortion comparison is rendered entirely moot.
The difference is disabled people existed as people at some point. They exited the womb and were no longer dependant on another life form. They weren't just a clump of cells with no self-awareness.
The Nazi's were National Socialists- and Hitler applied progressive policies of eugenics on Jews. Not to mention that he was a progressive vegetarian... coincidence??
PS- Pro lifers support womens right of dominion of THEIR bodies- not inoncent babies.
Haha do you think it adds credibilty to your point that your a woman? Hardly, it just means your as twisted as any pro-life supporter. If we are going to bring up the Nazis, than your like a Jew who supports the final solution policies. No, the fact is the Nazis were extremely pro-life when it came to their own people, the "master race". They wanted live babies so they could grow up to be turned into dead soldiers, which is similar to what the right wing wishes to achieve today.
Whoever said that the Democrats were leftist? The republican party and the democrat party are esentially two sides of the same coin, one is more military oriented and the other is more economy oriented, but there is little that is different between them. The stupid little differences are nothing next to the big stupid similarities. Indeed I would say the democrats are closer in policy to Canada's conservatives than are the Republicans.
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Someone earlier had said that the Nazis performed abortions and I pointed out to them it was illegal for German citizens to get abortions under Nazi law because they wanted to propagate the 'Aryan' race (although the higher-ups still managed to get them). That was my point.
@hschan4 Hitlar was very much pro-choice, or pro-abortion, whatever you prefer to call it. You're right, its not a right or left issue, its a right or wrong issue. Whether its right to give women the ability to choose what to do with this unborn baby, or whether its wrong. Thats what its about. Not having domain over your own body, but if its right to have domain over someone else's body.
@theGodaddict No he was pro-life, it was part of Nazi doctrine, look it up. Only Nazi higher ups could get their wives abortions and this was because they were in privileged positions. Oh and don't twist my words.
@hschan4 Dude, twist your words? Do you mean the right or wrong thing? Thats how it is. And the Nazi's were prolife for women who were of the Aryan race, that is Germanic women only. That was so they would be able to grow a "pure race". As far as every other race/ethnic group, they were very much prochoice.
@theGodaddict Yes. My whole point is any movement which shares the Nazis pro-life views, that is telling a person what they can or can't do with their own body is essentially a fascist one and with Stephen Harper at the helm that is not too hard to believe.
@hschan4 Nazis were also against the murder of any Germanic people(so long as they shared their views) and so in that case were begining to grasp a good idea, but the philosophy that they were the perfect race turned what should be a good idea into a bad one. They decided to murder non Germans while at the same time they weren't murdering Germans(who shared their views).
The fact that they did good things amongst themselves (ex. Pro life, don't murder) doesn't mean that those aren't good.
@theGodaddict Don't kid yourself, the Nazis would gladly murder anyone who spoke against them and their philosophies such as an anti-abortion stance are just in keeping with a greater ideology of totalitarianism, that the state can tell you what you can or can't do with your own body.
The Nazis forced black people to sterilize themselves and their children--not to mention the abortions that were pushed on people in the government-sponsored eugenics programs (so-called "racial hygiene").
The only abortions that were prohibited in Nazi Germany were those of Aryan women.
Saunders further states, The aim was to "separate the idea of abortion from the idea of killing." The editorial approved of what it called "semantic gymnastics" whose aim was to deny "the scientific fact, which everyone really knows, that human life begins at conception and is continuous whether intra- or extra-uterine until death (2004, pp. 31).
Saunders states, In 1970, in what has become a famous editorial, California Medicine, the journal of the California Medical Association, candidly noted that in order for a right to abortion to be generally accepted, it would be necessary to undermine traditional Western ethics of respect for each human life and the equality of each human life (2004, pp. 31).
So what is the next natural step to take? I know many will fight it but unfortunately there are many who would not think twice especially if they become immune to the idea like they did abortion. I guess all it takes is a scientist, doctor or other professional to state the fetus or infant "has no more ability to reason and has not yet come to be aware of and to value her own life." to claim they are not a person. What is true is that both fit this profile what is not true: is the person part.
There are "scholars" - some holding prestigious chairs at Ivy League universities - who argue that infanticide can be justified because a newborn is no more self-conscious than a fetus. She has no more ability to reason and has not yet come to be aware of and to value her own life. If science comes to tell us that the creation of infants (perhaps genetically altered to prevent higher thought) are just the thing for the treatment of a disease, do we permit it?(ESENBERG, 2006)
Actually newborns are more aware than the fetuses that can be aborted within the legal time frame for abortion in my country.
Now if people start trying to pass bills saying we should kill infants I will be more than happy to march in line against that. However as the massive majority would be against it I fail to see what this quote adds to this discussion.
No one is arguing that we should kill newborns or even third trimester fetuses.
I put this quote in because these "scholars" hold the same beliefs as pro-abortion people hold about fetuses. It is only natural to progress further past moral lines once something is accepted by the majority of society. There is more to this than the rights of fetuses and women. It is how far will we allow the scientist to control us and push us past the morality of what is right and wrong. Abortion started off fairly simple now there are partial births being performed, a kicking baby seen.
I hate that word OWN. When did we go back into time and start owning a human being. The problem is if the mom owns the fetus then she owns the infant and child so would it be right to eliminate said infant and child if said owner does not want said property?
Dr. McMahon's general approach is illustrated by this illuminating statement in the July 5, 1993 edition of American Medical News:
"[A]fter 20 weeks where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there. I think, 'Gee, it's too bad that this child couldn't be adopted.' On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is: 'Who owns the child?' It's got to be the mother.
Witnesses report observing the portion of the fetus outside the woman react to the skull penetration. The abortionist then inserts a suction tube and vacuums out the developing brain and other matter found within the skull.(43) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
Would you mind giving me a link to where I can find this report in full? I googled this Smolin person and all I found was a physicist. Nothing about abortion.
With only the head of the fetus remaining in utero, the abortionist tears open the skull. According to Dr. Martin Haskell, a leading proponent of the procedure, the appropriate instrument to be used at this stage of the abortion is a pair of scissors. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
Witnesses report observing the portion of the fetus outside the woman react to the skull penetration. The abortionist then inserts a suction tube and vacuums out the developing brain and other matter found within the skull.(43) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
With only the head of the fetus remaining in utero, the abortionist tears open the skull. According to Dr. Martin Haskell, a leading proponent of the procedure, the appropriate instrument to be used at this stage of the abortion is a pair of scissors. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
As stated by one group of physicians, "[a]s the physician manually performs breech extraction of the body of a live fetus, excepting the head, she continues in the apparent role of an obstetrician delivering a child." (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
Justice Kennedy's Stenberg states, The fetus' arms and legs are delivered outside the uterus while the fetus is alive; witnesses to the procedure report seeing the body of the fetus moving outside the woman's body. At this point, the abortion procedure has the appearance of a live birth. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
It's very surreal that people can hear the reality of abortion, see the reality of abortion and still maintain a pro-abort ionist position. We truly are living amidst insanity.
The rest of the article. Dr. [Leroy] Carhart [the abortionist who challenged Nebraska's partial-birth ban] has observed fetal heartbeat via ultrasound with "extensive parts of the fetus removed," and testified that mere dismemberment of a limb does not always cause death because he knows of a physician who removed the arm of a fetus only to have the fetus go on to be born "as a living child with one arm." At the conclusion of a D (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
Read this and decide what your choice would be, and I do believe in free choice but also the right to know the truth. Justice Kennedy's Stenberg states, The fetus, in many cases, dies just as a human adult or child would: It bleeds to death as it is torn from limb to limb. The fetus can be alive at the beginning of the dismemberment process and can survive for a time while its limbs are being torn off. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
I am so sick and tired of all of this crap, if Abortion becomes illegal all through the country I want all of you idiots to go to a hospital and see if there is a young girl in the hospital because she shoved a broom handle inside her, your not going to change anything just make it worse, nobody wants anyone to have an abortion but if you want to get rid of it then stop teaching abstinence only in schools and condoms and birth control pills available to everyone even the poor
And I want you to go to a hospital and check out the dismembered babies killed by abortion. Condoms and birth control lead to abortion. They fail and abortion is used as birth control all the time.
yea why dont we all just throw away all contraception and only have sex to have children and live in a world were people are stoned for holding hands outside of wedlock
The abortionists do not give a CRAP about the women they are hurting. I mean they could NOT care less. They get their cash and leave them hanging. It is all about money.
Then WE pro-lifers usually step in and show the victims (yes, women that get abortions are victims as well) love and acceptance- that they have value. Something 98% of abortion clinics fail to do.
Right, right, and right. They claim we are the ones that dont care about women, yet they deny women are hurt by abortion, they dont care women die from abortion, they dont care it is mostly male abortionists profiting off women's crises.
Not to mention if it was all about women's rights, then what if the child is female? What of her rights? Or is she not a human? Or, does she not get rights until she is a legal adult? It's one double-standard after another. Keep up the good fight, my friend.
Yes, showing them they have value by picketing clinics and calling them whores and murderers. Throwing things at them, taking photos of their license plates and threatening to put them online. Violently attacking clinics and the staff that work there.... Very kind and supportive of your side.
First of all, not all of us do that. I have never called these women whores. I have participated in the "bound for life" movements, in which we stand across the street of an abortion clinic with tape over our mouths in silent protest. It is civil, and it is legit. Do you know how many babies lives we saved doing that? A few, but it is worth it. The mothers that talked to us are so happy that they made the decision to keep the child after talking to us.
Lovely, I sincerely hope none of these women regret keeping it after being emotionally blackmailed. Women aren't as stupid as you're trying to make them sound. We know what abortion is, we know what's going to happen to the fetus. Most of us don't need your "counseling" to tell us what we're doing. We have mind and we've made a choice. And yes, I have sat in on a session. They were very informative. And I did answer your question. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.
If women do not need our counsel, then why do we get dozens a week seeking it?
I never said women were stupid. I said they were deceived into thinking that it will be ok. And whoever convinces them of this is pure evil.
You say you know what happens to a fetus. Well, if you are perfectly ok with supporting it's destruction, then you ARE a murdering monster. If you do not care about the fact you've just destroyed a life, then something is wrong with you.
Because they are being emotionally manipulated to think they are feelings are wrong or what they want to do is evil and murderous. Regardless of how sure you are that the sky is blue if enough people tell you it's pink most people are going to start doubting themselves Tsk tsk, name calling already revival? How typical and petty. I thought you just said that wasn't the kind of thing you did.
You said it yourself- you know exactly what they do to fetuses. If you knowingly make a decision that you know is horrible in nature, then that does make you a monster.
This is what you produce, knowlingly, willingly, and proudly: /watch?v=9kvSujy6OJs
Once again you assume that we (or in this case I) am either ignorant or stupid. I know what abortion does, showing me medical waste isn't going to change my mind on the matter anymore than shoving me into a room while someone's preforming surgery would make me think that surgery is disgusting and wrong.
"Medical Waste" ?!?!?! I am so angry right now that I have to take a breath.
Have you ever heard of Gianna Jessen? She survived a failed abortion. To you, she is just medical waste. I suggest your research her before calling someone a non-human. You think a chopped up fetus by an abortion doctor is nothing more than 'medical waste?' That comment makes me so angry that I cannot even think straight right now.
I know watching the unborn being slaughtered and seeing blind people enable the slaughter can be a very heavy burden to bear, just keep reminding yourself that it is us who history will remember as the heros. We are the ones future generations will revere and respect. The pro-aborts will be shamed for all time. We must pity them and pray they will see the light one day, for their own sake.
History will decide who is viewed as heroes. You sir are simply a bit player in the scheme of things, as am I. Neither of us know for certain what the future holds or how people will see it.
Deano is late for the bus again.
antuerius 2 months ago
cool
TheCasaoasis 2 months ago
A pregnant woman- Capable of thought, reason, pain, and feelings.
A fetus- none of the above.
Whom is abortion hurting? Whom is lack of abortion hurting? Straighten your priorities, people.
anvita99 5 months ago
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"I'm just saying women who get them are cruel, heartless, irresponsible beings who don't deserve the joy of motherhood once they've killed their own child." Your just digging yourself a bigger hole, your feelings on women have been recorded, no need to keep digging.
hschan4 6 months ago
Women who get abortions should get their tubes tied, while they're at it
depauw2004 7 months ago
@depauw2004 I have to give you credit, at least you don't hide your misogyny! Unlike the the rest of these deceitful, anti-choicers.
hschan4 6 months ago
@hschan4
I am not misogynistic. There was some sarcasm in my last comment. I maintain that abortion used as birth control is (aside from rape and medical danger) immoral. I'm agnostic, so god factors not into my opinion. Women who do such things don't deserve motherhood. I ultimately broke up with my girlfriend because she aborted my kid, so pardon me for having a low opinion of feticide
depauw2004 6 months ago
@depauw2004 On the contrary I'd say you fit the image of a misogynist quite well, what with quotes like "Women who do such things don't deserve motherhoood." I think it's safe to say you hate women.
hschan4 6 months ago
@hschan4
I don't hate women. Just those that don't mind killing their offspring for selfish reasons because they are too irresponsible and heartless to face the consequences of their actions.
depauw2004 6 months ago
@depauw2004 There is no need to back-peddle, you've made your thoughts on women and women's rights loud and clear.
hschan4 6 months ago
@hschan4
I'm not back-peddling. Let me be clear. I'm not actually saying that there should be laws made to prevent women from having abortions. That would be silly. I'm just saying women who get them are cruel, heartless, irresponsible beings who don't deserve the joy of motherhood once they've killed their own child. Even more so, when the father wants the child.
depauw2004 6 months ago
@depauw2004 You're talking about a devoted, loving, and quite responsible mother and wife. You're talking about me- and I'd appreciate NOT being lied about. Oh, and I'm anything but cruel.. how kind are you..? Do you, say, nurse the elderly and handicapped for a living? Or volunteer at programs for battered women, or children's homes, or for LGBT teens who have been beaten/RAPED by their own family members?
...You certainly know more about my life than i do- please keep talking, psychic.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
Well, some people BELIEVE slavery and murder is acceptable, but we "force" our beliefs on them for the sake of humanity.
6venusman 8 months ago
Here's thing about abortion...if SOMEONE ELSE is going to have one it's not YOUR business!
souljahbunny1 8 months ago 5
@souljahbunny1 Here's the thing about slavery. if SOMEONE ELSE is going to own slaves it's not YOUR business!
MARLONBART 8 months ago
@MARLONBART Slavery and Abortion are NOT the same thing...Not even close pal!
souljahbunny1 8 months ago 6
@souljahbunny1 They both rest on the notion that a certain group of human beings (Africans in the case of slavery and unborn children in the case of abortion) are not persons and therefore have no rights. In that way, they are the same.
MARLONBART 8 months ago
@MARLONBART The decision to enslave a person and the decision to terminate a pregnancy are still completely different. If anything forcing a woman to carry a fetus to full term against her own wishes would be a better comparison to slavery.
souljahbunny1 8 months ago 5
@souljahbunny1 Actually, dismembering a helpless, innocent baby while she sleeps in the womb because her "owner" believes she is "not fully human" is more comparable to slavery. Would you oppose forcing a woman to refrain from killing a child in the crib despite her own wishes? If so, you should support forcing her not to kill the child in her womb either.
MARLONBART 8 months ago
@MARLONBART So then what is the solution when a woman addicted to crack gets pregnant? Or a woman is raped? Some women cannot parent...What if they end up pregnant? Is it fair for these kids to be born addicted to crack or resented by their mothers because of how they were conceived? Simply saying use protection doesn't work that's not a realistic expectation whether it should be or not it really isn't.
souljahbunny1 8 months ago
@MARLONBART Not baby ... FETUS ...
aja0610 7 months ago
@MARLONBART I'm pro-choice, and know a fetus is human DNA. I also an intelligent enough to know that consent to sex is not automatic consent to parenthood or pregnancy, and that a slave is outside of a person's body, can think and feel, is independent, and that people like you who try to compare abortion to slavery or the holocaust are inherently racist for comparing jews/blacks to unthinking, unfeeling human shells w. no memories, opinions, or life experiences.. My husband is black, racist rat.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
@MARLONBART They dont have human rights , until a baby takes its first breathe they are not considered a human . Decided by The Supreme Court Of Canada ...
aja0610 7 months ago
@souljahbunny1
This argument carries no weight whatsoever if the unborn is human. So much time is wasted in this debate. Ask yourself one question. What is the unborn? If the unborn isn't human, then you need no justification. If the unborn is human, abortion is murder. You need to consider 4 things: 1) Size 2) Level of development 3) Environment-in/out of womb 4) level of dependency. Analyzing each of these attributes leads you to conclude the unborn is human. Abortion is murder. Period.
mrhankie2025 6 months ago
@mrhankie2025 Killing is not intrinsically murder, and you can kill a human legally under quite a few pretenses. Human, person, fetus, baby, born,an d alive don't all mean the same thing. A fetus is not a person.. and even if it was, it has no 'right' to be inside of another person w/o their permission, against their will.. abortion is legal for the same reasons adoption is.
ryddelwearsahat 4 months ago
human rights Mr Del Mastro ... meaning the right to choose to abort or not !!
also someone should state he is a member of the conservative government , the same government that wants to privatize healthcare ... so lets ban abortions and make women who cant afford the child to have them anyways ...
aja0610 8 months ago
@aja0610 Don't forget the back alley abortions!!
souljahbunny1 8 months ago
human rights Mr Del Mastro ... meaning the right to choose to abort or not !!
aja0610 8 months ago
He's my MP! Just voted for him :D
gracearmstrong239 8 months ago
No one has the right to kill - the choice to kill or not is not a choice - study biology - study the pregnancy and see for yourself that we cannot allow to terminate one's life!!!
Rose93rd 8 months ago
@Rose93rd " we cannot allow to terminate one's life!!!"
Who is we? Who are you?
Who are you to push your beliefs on someone else?
souljahbunny1 8 months ago
Dean Del Mastro is a nutcase. His mother made the wrong decision.
rgbrook 8 months ago
Abortion rates are decreasing. Safe sex education, not sexual stigmatization!
lkjames08 9 months ago
If you don't like abortions... don't get one.
The Supreme Court in this country has ruled that any limits on reproductive rights is unconstitutional. The only way to make Abortion illegal is to invoke the Notwithstanding clase. I don't think any politician will have the balls to do that as it is only valid for 5 years.
gundamWWW 9 months ago 4
@gundamWWW Reminds of those who said, "if you don't like slavery, don't own a slave." Hmm, and the Supreme Court once ruled that limits on slave ownership were unconstitutional as well! What do you know? I quess the Supreme Court can be wrong from time to time. Who woulda thought?
MARLONBART 9 months ago
@MARLONBART
Slave ownership is diffirent from abortion.
For Salvery, a person owns another human being.
Abortion has to do with your own body.
Abortion is strictly medical procedure to be determined by a patient and their primary healthcare provider.
Also the Surpeme Court of Canada was created after slavery was abolished by John Simcoe Grave. You may want to check your facts.
gundamWWW 9 months ago
@gundamWWW Yes but you see those who supported slavery thought it wasn't about owning another human being. They thought Africans were property, not person. The same is true with abortion. Those who support it believe the unborn child is property (or "the woman's body"), not a person. The unborn is not a part of the woman's body.
MARLONBART 9 months ago
@MARLONBART
Jst one problem. If the unborn child is not a part of the women, why is it attached by an umbilical cord? This is really a debate that can go around circles. I am not a "fan" of abortion, I would encourage women to keep the child and give it up for adoption (many families can't have children the natural way) but I do think that at the end of the day this is a decision for a pregnant woman to make.
After the baby is born, pro choice and pro life people won't help raise the child.
gundamWWW 9 months ago
@gundamWWW We are attached by an umbilical cord to our mother's womb for the first 9 months of our lives because that is the way nature, or God, determined it to be. It's completely natural. We were all there, including you. Being in utero (our location) doesn't mean we aren't living and human (human beings), and therefor persons, persons with the fundament right to life.
MARLONBART 9 months ago
@MARLONBART
I'm not a doctor or a scientist so I don't know about that.
As for the God argument. That's a bit of a stretch. Who's to say that your God is right and the Greek Gods are not?
gundamWWW 9 months ago
He may believe in what he says or he may not - it makes no difference. He and his ilk say what they think will get them elected, regardless of truth or accuracy. He follows the Conservative Party line because he is told to do so. There are some intelligent Tories but this guy is just a puppet. Elect someone with some intelligence and integrity, someone who can think for himself and not just vote the way he is told to vote, someone, ANYONE else!
wnnieman 9 months ago
What happen in a woman's uterus, stays in the uterus.
Dotveoh 9 months ago
@Dotveoh racist and if you live in ottawa il find you and kill you
Hemloch 9 months ago
@Hemloch ya! i live in kanata! come find me! you stupid fat bitch! ill make you run!
Dotveoh 9 months ago
@Dotveoh oh yea i think i will cuz i told alot of my boys what you said about Hayder Al-Ebadi and they will make sure you will pay
Hemloch 9 months ago
@Hemloch sure! im at 211 Huntmar Drive, in kanata north! white male, 5'9! name mark avon! my phone # is 613-230-6211! bring it! #Bitch
Dotveoh 9 months ago
@Dotveoh nice fucking try stupid but i dont belive you live in canada
Hemloch 9 months ago
@Hemloch YOU'RE A BIG PUSSY!
Dotveoh 9 months ago
@Dotveoh no you are you gave me a false address
Hemloch 9 months ago
@Dotveoh fuck you you racist bastard
Hemloch 9 months ago
i will vote for this guy
lardevlin 10 months ago
So his mom made a difficult.... what's that word? Where there are two things to do and can only do one or the other? You're not forced to do either, but you have to pick one over the other. Oh yeah, I remember now, CHOICE.
paradigm71 10 months ago 14
@paradigm71 Right. And if she had made the other CHOICE, he would have been torn limb from limb and dead.
MARLONBART 10 months ago
@MARLONBART If only, then we wouldn't have to listen to this fat, ass-clown.
hschan4 9 months ago
@MARLONBART Whoosh. That went right over your head, didn't it? The point was you can't choose one thing over the other unless you have CHOICE.
paradigm71 9 months ago
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mrhankie2025 6 months ago
Sperm, an individual? A new and unique life is created upon conception which requires contact between an ovum and a sperm. How can a sperm be an individual?
eabaguioro 11 months ago
A man with backbone, way to go brother, great speech and God bless you and our great country as well, may the Lord forgive us for not standing tall against this silent genocide.
Serge1965 1 year ago
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Ok. At least we can agree that partial birth abortion should be avoided, though I feel all abortion is morally wrong.
Mjena23 1 year ago
Oh Canada, you're so silly
bobplatypus 1 year ago
Why should anyone have to be forced to have a baby against their own will....its the mothers who gets to choose and no one else..mind your buisness and live your life...
jCarlos088 1 year ago
@jCarlos088 I agree, no one should be forced to have a baby against their will. You're absolutely right. That's more than obvious.
I think what pro lifers are saying is that no one should be permitted to kill their baby, and that's what abortion does. Get it?
MARLONBART 1 year ago
@MARLONBART .Ok.but thats their opinion..thats just what it is..its what they "think" how does an abortion of a complete stranger affect your life at all.?!.Just because you think its wrong .you will try to control what happens in someone elses life.?.DO you know that baby.?.Do you know the woman who is going to have the abortion.? Do you know if the woman is financially stable to have a baby.?If the mother cant take care a the child you think should be born .will you help them.?!
jCarlos088 1 year ago
@jCarlos088 There are literally thousands of charitable organiztions to help mother's who chose not to kill their babies! Housing, utilities, food,clothing,education, vehicles, jobs, diapers etc. We are helping those babies and their mom's. We all know that rape,pediphilia etc are wrong.What if they legalize them, ill you turn your back as a woman is raped in the part, a neighbor ushers young children into his den?We must have chariy of mind,voice & actions, especially for those weakest
angelshoulders 1 year ago
@jCarlos088 In my opinion rape is wrong, just my opinion. Just b/c I think it is wrong, I shouldn't try to control what happens in someone elses life, right? WRONG!After all, according to you what happens to complete strangers shouldn't affect me, right? WRONG!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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@jCarlos088 Can i just point out that this zealotry of ITS MY BODY even in the comments here but especially at rallies is all well and good but you also have the choice to have sex or not, the child doesnt have the same choice, it cant ask you not to have sex or give it to some parent who wont abort it. its unequal no matter how you put it. its an invalid argument to support murder.No one forced her to concieve,she had al the 'choice' there
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Your mother had to take a difficult CHOICE! Let's women have the choice. Stupid fanatics.
franklinvp 1 year ago
@franklinvp: I agree! In fact, let women have the choice even after the baby is born! Why should the baby's location have any bearing on the issue? It's the mother's choice that is most important, right?
MARLONBART 1 year ago
@franklinvp No mother has to make the difficult 'choice' of killing her own baby, the baby she indeed helped to create. Unless the baby is threatening the mother's very life. If the mother will surely die if she carries the baby to term. If the mother DOES NOT kill the baby, the baby will DEFINETLY KILL HER, no mother should have the 'choice to kill her own life blood!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
Life begins in the 8th month
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 1 year ago
he is a sexist arsehole. he shouts down women MPs i the house all the time. and the speaker does fuck all. What a disgrace.
ipi5hl 1 year ago
damn to bad she didnt abort him.
athiiiiest 1 year ago 2
what about if a woman is raped?how do ppl feel about women on welfare having more children?how about deformaties that will cost ppl millions and millions in healthcare?
incubiculo 1 year ago
@incubiculo Would it be okay to kill a born child because she/he is the product of a rape? Or because their mother is on welfare? Or because she as a "deformity"?
If not, then it is not okay to kill an unborn child for those reasons either.
MARLONBART 1 year ago
@MARLONBART lots of ppl are up in arms over healthcare and welfare feeling why should i pay .should a women on welfare be made to have her tubes tied,and paid for by the public?i feel we all should have healthcare no matter what,we never know we are healthy now but may not always be.
incubiculo 1 year ago
@MARLONBART on the subject of rape.how much would this play on the mind of the victim?sure adoption is an options.everyone don't think the same.if forced by law and didn't have the child aborted.wouldn't you think some would find a way to get rid of this child anyway?then what try them for murder.maybe have a time limit of when abotion can be preformed.
incubiculo 1 year ago
@MARLONBART just want to thank you for your reply. as a whole we are entitled to our views and give you much respect for that,and hopefully i get that in return for mine.
incubiculo 1 year ago
@incubiculo We are entitled to our own opinions, but we aren't entitled to our own facts.
MARLONBART 1 year ago
How on earth can we consider & support our own mother killing us because we were the product of rape Does this mean anyone is superior to someone who is the product of rape.I cannot exchange one tragic event with one ten times worse! By that same thought,should we not also kill the poor,the depressed, the children starving in Africa,or anyone else who suffers?After all,in OUR estimation their lives are not worth living,it's just too painful for them.They disagree!!
angelshoulders 1 year ago
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Abortion saves lives
Howard Stern
HowardSternn 1 year ago
I'll get pregnant as many times as possible, then have abortions after the third month of being pregnant so I deliver a potato sized 1/3 developed dead fetus, then I'll take the fetus, put it in a jar of preservative liquid and put it on a shelf in a secret room in my house until I have so many the rooms walls are nothing but potato sized aborted fetuses. Then I'll have a kid and when theyre bad I'll make them sit in the fetus room and remind them of how easy I could have aborted their ass.
mootothehood 1 year ago
Harper is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't on this one. Why was this brought up now? To put him in a corner, that's why. This issue was raised by the oposition now for no other reason than political gain. And its sad both sides of the debate are being duped by it. We all know where Conservatives stand on abortion, and for those hoping to end abortion.... a Liberal won't get you there. Just the oposite in fact.
jellotree99 2 years ago
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My suggestion is that if you don't like abortion, then don't get one! But don't try to impose your will over other people's bodies.
hschan4 2 years ago
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PhilippeDeChampaigne 2 years ago
Well put Philippe, it is not mine, but the woman's. You should all remember that.
hschan4 2 years ago
Yes, that's right. There's the woman's body and then there's the baby's body.
PhilippeDeChampaigne 2 years ago
It's the same thing if it's in the womb.
hschan4 2 years ago
When a person gets an abortion, are they not imposing their will over that *child's* body?
Mekel343 2 years ago
If it is still in the womb, then no, they aren't.
hschan4 2 years ago
yes they are, coz the body ain't the lady's, they r just housing it. I live in my mum's house does he have total rights over just because she accomodates me? no way
So why should a mother kill her child just coz she accomodates him in her womb for nine months. Where's the child's right?
Micolo2225 2 years ago
Ok, but this fetus isn't paying for rent or feeding itself, it is totally dependent on the mother for survival. The fetus cannot live without the mother, whereas the mother CAN live without the baby. It is essentially a parasite.
hschan4 2 years ago
A newborn, someone in a coma, an alzheimer's patient, etc are not paying rent or feeding themselves either. They are totally dependent on another for survival. By your logic, all these are not persons either, are parasites, and can be killed at will.
God help us, for if the pro-abortion mentality advances much further we are all in danger.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
Much further? I hate to break it to you but abortion is legal and there is no sign that is going to change any time soon.
hschan4 2 years ago
Yes I know, you aren't breaking anything to me.
There were many, many decades when slavery was legal and there was no sign it was going to change any time soon either.
But you see, what happens is the truth eventually wins out and that is why our day will come, my friend. Our day will come.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
Well don't hold your breath, your buddy Harper is into some deep shit.
hschan4 2 years ago
Harper has also said repeatedly that he intends on doing nothing about the killing of the unborn. I take him on his word.
I'd be surprised if the silent holocaust ends in my lifetime.
plg45 2 years ago
"Silent Holocaust"? Wow, that is unbelievably offensive to those who actually lived through the real holocaust. Why must you use such a loaded term? Is it because it works well as propaganda?
hschan4 2 years ago 6
@hschan4 yes, "silent holocaust" is the most apropriate term. It's not ofensive at all, it's just politically incorect, but very realistic in the same time. Most of us like to think they are not as evil as Hitler and his Nazi because they are not anti-semites and they don't want to kill Jews, but instead they think just like the Nazi when talking about the life of the speechless and defenseless among us.
lillybellebutterfly1 9 months ago
@hschan4 it's a painfull truth, but in fact pro-choicers are in fact just pro-abortion.
lillybellebutterfly1 9 months ago
What if it doesn't begin at conception though? What if it begins at birth? If we are defining things as alive purely from biological perspective than doesn't that mean that sperm are alive to? Does that mean masturbation counts as genocide?
hschan4 2 years ago
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Fellow Christians, There is a "hate crimes bill" S.909 that was devised by the Anti-Defamation League of B'nai B'rith in order to criminalize Christianity. Any Good Christian who publicly stands up for traditional marriage or protests the millions of babies murdered by abortion will be thrown in jail like in Canada. Check out truthtellers and watch Rev. Ted Pike's videos explaining the danger and then call your Senators toll free at 877-851-6437 and tell them NO on S.909. Save Our Constitution
standupforfreedom153 2 years ago
"All those points you listed are not in the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedom... "
Yeah so? Does the non-mention of something in a corrupt, leftist-inspired constitution make it any less a valid point?
ALuimes 2 years ago
This isn't a left or right issue, its about the basic human right of having dominion over your own body. Although its funny you should mention, Fascists such as the Nazis were also against abortion as well... coincidence?
hschan4 2 years ago 2
Actually, the Nazis forced non-Aryan women to have abortions and sterilizations.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
They didn't allow any abortions for their master race, it was against the law. Is that what you seek to create? A master race with a fat fucking greaseball like Dean Del Maestro at it's head?
hschan4 2 years ago 2
It's about the basic human right of EVERYONE having control over their own body, including small people. How old, pray tell, do you have to be before the government protects you? 5 years old?
MinorKeys88 2 years ago
How about old enough to know your alive.
hschan4 2 years ago
Old enough to know you're alive? So you have to be, say, 6 months? It sounds to me that abortion is the gateway for this nation to turn into a regular little fascist Germany, getting rid of all handicapped people, mentally challenged people, and people whom WE judge to be of less significance.
Since apparently we've decided that our convenience comes over the lives of unborn babies, and we've justified it by putting them into some kind of subhuman category based on their level of development.
MinorKeys88 2 years ago
Funny you should mention that though because the Nazis were staunchly pro-life when it came to the German people (the healthy, "aryan" ones) and it was against the law for German citizens to get an abortion since the German war machine needed to have more babies that they could make into dead soldiers.
hschan4 2 years ago
True. But I was referring to murder when I mentioned Germany, not abortion.
And on top of that, German citizens forced some non-Aryans to have abortions. Which is actually precisely my point... in this country, the people who have decided that they are more important are dictating who should and should not be allowed to live.
MinorKeys88 2 years ago
No one is forcing abortion on anyone, its simply allowing women the right to choose, if you don't like abortion, then don't get one, simple as that.
hschan4 2 years ago
No one is forcing people to own slaves, its simply allowing white slave masters to choose, if you don't like slavery, then don't buy a black slave, simple as that.
ariaane 2 years ago
Well it can be definitely proven that a slave is a human being, as they are not dependant on another living body for oxygen, sustenance etc. so this whole slavery/abortion comparison is rendered entirely moot.
hschan4 2 years ago
If a an unborn child isn't a human, then what is it? An elephant? A reptile? Idiot.
Disabled people and comatose people are also dependent on other people and artificial machines for sustenance- are said people no longer human?
ariaane 2 years ago
The difference is disabled people existed as people at some point. They exited the womb and were no longer dependant on another life form. They weren't just a clump of cells with no self-awareness.
hschan4 2 years ago
The Nazi's were National Socialists- and Hitler applied progressive policies of eugenics on Jews. Not to mention that he was a progressive vegetarian... coincidence??
PS- Pro lifers support womens right of dominion of THEIR bodies- not inoncent babies.
Signed
A 21 year old pro life woman
ariaane 2 years ago
Haha do you think it adds credibilty to your point that your a woman? Hardly, it just means your as twisted as any pro-life supporter. If we are going to bring up the Nazis, than your like a Jew who supports the final solution policies. No, the fact is the Nazis were extremely pro-life when it came to their own people, the "master race". They wanted live babies so they could grow up to be turned into dead soldiers, which is similar to what the right wing wishes to achieve today.
hschan4 2 years ago
Pro lifers are opposed to abortion. Full stop. They are not opposed to abortion for people of their own race exclusively, idiot.
I'm a black woman, yet I don't like the idea of white or Asian babies being aborted any more than black babies. We are all equal afterall.
Again, Hitler's eugenic views emanated from the progressive left's views on race and genetics.
Not to mention that the past four wars, exluding the Iraq and Afghan war were INITIATED BY DEMOCRATS- IGNORAMOUS.
ariaane 2 years ago
Whoever said that the Democrats were leftist? The republican party and the democrat party are esentially two sides of the same coin, one is more military oriented and the other is more economy oriented, but there is little that is different between them. The stupid little differences are nothing next to the big stupid similarities. Indeed I would say the democrats are closer in policy to Canada's conservatives than are the Republicans.
hschan4 2 years ago
@hschan4 they were also for animal rights and thought the sky was blue, your point?
FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 1 year ago
@FlyinSpaghettiMnstr7 Someone earlier had said that the Nazis performed abortions and I pointed out to them it was illegal for German citizens to get abortions under Nazi law because they wanted to propagate the 'Aryan' race (although the higher-ups still managed to get them). That was my point.
hschan4 1 year ago
@hschan4 Hitlar was very much pro-choice, or pro-abortion, whatever you prefer to call it. You're right, its not a right or left issue, its a right or wrong issue. Whether its right to give women the ability to choose what to do with this unborn baby, or whether its wrong. Thats what its about. Not having domain over your own body, but if its right to have domain over someone else's body.
theGodaddict 1 year ago
@theGodaddict No he was pro-life, it was part of Nazi doctrine, look it up. Only Nazi higher ups could get their wives abortions and this was because they were in privileged positions. Oh and don't twist my words.
hschan4 1 year ago
@hschan4 Dude, twist your words? Do you mean the right or wrong thing? Thats how it is. And the Nazi's were prolife for women who were of the Aryan race, that is Germanic women only. That was so they would be able to grow a "pure race". As far as every other race/ethnic group, they were very much prochoice.
theGodaddict 1 year ago
@theGodaddict Yes. My whole point is any movement which shares the Nazis pro-life views, that is telling a person what they can or can't do with their own body is essentially a fascist one and with Stephen Harper at the helm that is not too hard to believe.
hschan4 1 year ago
@hschan4 Nazis were also against the murder of any Germanic people(so long as they shared their views) and so in that case were begining to grasp a good idea, but the philosophy that they were the perfect race turned what should be a good idea into a bad one. They decided to murder non Germans while at the same time they weren't murdering Germans(who shared their views).
The fact that they did good things amongst themselves (ex. Pro life, don't murder) doesn't mean that those aren't good.
theGodaddict 1 year ago
@theGodaddict Don't kid yourself, the Nazis would gladly murder anyone who spoke against them and their philosophies such as an anti-abortion stance are just in keeping with a greater ideology of totalitarianism, that the state can tell you what you can or can't do with your own body.
hschan4 1 year ago
@hschan4 it's totalitarian to kill a helpless individual who has no choice in matter for the sake of conveniance.
werdorino 11 months ago
@werdorino Depends on your definition of individual. Do you consider sperm to be individuals to?
hschan4 11 months ago
@hschan4 Not so. It was only unavailable to "racially pure" women of "German stock".
DASW7 1 year ago
@DASW7 Yes, this is true.
hschan4 1 year ago
@hschan4
Come again?
The Nazis forced black people to sterilize themselves and their children--not to mention the abortions that were pushed on people in the government-sponsored eugenics programs (so-called "racial hygiene").
The only abortions that were prohibited in Nazi Germany were those of Aryan women.
Velokid93 1 year ago
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@Velokid93 What is your point?
hschan4 1 year ago
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ALuimes 2 years ago
Birthmother searching for daughter. Please view video and pass it around. Hope to find her.
Christine71770 2 years ago
Saunders further states, The aim was to "separate the idea of abortion from the idea of killing." The editorial approved of what it called "semantic gymnastics" whose aim was to deny "the scientific fact, which everyone really knows, that human life begins at conception and is continuous whether intra- or extra-uterine until death (2004, pp. 31).
tozuelke 2 years ago
Saunders states, In 1970, in what has become a famous editorial, California Medicine, the journal of the California Medical Association, candidly noted that in order for a right to abortion to be generally accepted, it would be necessary to undermine traditional Western ethics of respect for each human life and the equality of each human life (2004, pp. 31).
tozuelke 2 years ago
So what is the next natural step to take? I know many will fight it but unfortunately there are many who would not think twice especially if they become immune to the idea like they did abortion. I guess all it takes is a scientist, doctor or other professional to state the fetus or infant "has no more ability to reason and has not yet come to be aware of and to value her own life." to claim they are not a person. What is true is that both fit this profile what is not true: is the person part.
tozuelke 2 years ago
There are "scholars" - some holding prestigious chairs at Ivy League universities - who argue that infanticide can be justified because a newborn is no more self-conscious than a fetus. She has no more ability to reason and has not yet come to be aware of and to value her own life. If science comes to tell us that the creation of infants (perhaps genetically altered to prevent higher thought) are just the thing for the treatment of a disease, do we permit it?(ESENBERG, 2006)
tozuelke 2 years ago
Actually newborns are more aware than the fetuses that can be aborted within the legal time frame for abortion in my country.
Now if people start trying to pass bills saying we should kill infants I will be more than happy to march in line against that. However as the massive majority would be against it I fail to see what this quote adds to this discussion.
No one is arguing that we should kill newborns or even third trimester fetuses.
lilsasami 2 years ago
I put this quote in because these "scholars" hold the same beliefs as pro-abortion people hold about fetuses. It is only natural to progress further past moral lines once something is accepted by the majority of society. There is more to this than the rights of fetuses and women. It is how far will we allow the scientist to control us and push us past the morality of what is right and wrong. Abortion started off fairly simple now there are partial births being performed, a kicking baby seen.
tozuelke 2 years ago
I hate that word OWN. When did we go back into time and start owning a human being. The problem is if the mom owns the fetus then she owns the infant and child so would it be right to eliminate said infant and child if said owner does not want said property?
tozuelke 2 years ago
Dr. McMahon's general approach is illustrated by this illuminating statement in the July 5, 1993 edition of American Medical News:
"[A]fter 20 weeks where it frankly is a child to me, I really agonize over it because the potential is so imminently there. I think, 'Gee, it's too bad that this child couldn't be adopted.' On the other hand, I have another position, which I think is superior in the hierarchy of questions, and that is: 'Who owns the child?' It's got to be the mother.
tozuelke 2 years ago
Witnesses report observing the portion of the fetus outside the woman react to the skull penetration. The abortionist then inserts a suction tube and vacuums out the developing brain and other matter found within the skull.(43) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
Tozuelke,
Would you mind giving me a link to where I can find this report in full? I googled this Smolin person and all I found was a physicist. Nothing about abortion.
Thanks.
lilsasami 2 years ago
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With only the head of the fetus remaining in utero, the abortionist tears open the skull. According to Dr. Martin Haskell, a leading proponent of the procedure, the appropriate instrument to be used at this stage of the abortion is a pair of scissors. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
Witnesses report observing the portion of the fetus outside the woman react to the skull penetration. The abortionist then inserts a suction tube and vacuums out the developing brain and other matter found within the skull.(43) (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
With only the head of the fetus remaining in utero, the abortionist tears open the skull. According to Dr. Martin Haskell, a leading proponent of the procedure, the appropriate instrument to be used at this stage of the abortion is a pair of scissors. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
As stated by one group of physicians, "[a]s the physician manually performs breech extraction of the body of a live fetus, excepting the head, she continues in the apparent role of an obstetrician delivering a child." (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
Justice Kennedy's Stenberg states, The fetus' arms and legs are delivered outside the uterus while the fetus is alive; witnesses to the procedure report seeing the body of the fetus moving outside the woman's body. At this point, the abortion procedure has the appearance of a live birth. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
It's very surreal that people can hear the reality of abortion, see the reality of abortion and still maintain a pro-abort ionist position. We truly are living amidst insanity.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
The rest of the article. Dr. [Leroy] Carhart [the abortionist who challenged Nebraska's partial-birth ban] has observed fetal heartbeat via ultrasound with "extensive parts of the fetus removed," and testified that mere dismemberment of a limb does not always cause death because he knows of a physician who removed the arm of a fetus only to have the fetus go on to be born "as a living child with one arm." At the conclusion of a D (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
Read this and decide what your choice would be, and I do believe in free choice but also the right to know the truth. Justice Kennedy's Stenberg states, The fetus, in many cases, dies just as a human adult or child would: It bleeds to death as it is torn from limb to limb. The fetus can be alive at the beginning of the dismemberment process and can survive for a time while its limbs are being torn off. (Smolin, 2001, p. 815)
tozuelke 2 years ago
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GHarrisonNunes 2 years ago
I am so sick and tired of all of this crap, if Abortion becomes illegal all through the country I want all of you idiots to go to a hospital and see if there is a young girl in the hospital because she shoved a broom handle inside her, your not going to change anything just make it worse, nobody wants anyone to have an abortion but if you want to get rid of it then stop teaching abstinence only in schools and condoms and birth control pills available to everyone even the poor
stache34 2 years ago
And I want you to go to a hospital and check out the dismembered babies killed by abortion. Condoms and birth control lead to abortion. They fail and abortion is used as birth control all the time.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
yea why dont we all just throw away all contraception and only have sex to have children and live in a world were people are stoned for holding hands outside of wedlock
stache34 2 years ago
mmm not sure if I agree with that suggestion, but how about we first agree to stop killing our own children?
MARLONBART 2 years ago
"nobody wants anyone to have an abortion"
lol, yes, just like nobody wants you to smoke cigs. Are you honestly that naive?
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
The abortionists do not give a CRAP about the women they are hurting. I mean they could NOT care less. They get their cash and leave them hanging. It is all about money.
Then WE pro-lifers usually step in and show the victims (yes, women that get abortions are victims as well) love and acceptance- that they have value. Something 98% of abortion clinics fail to do.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
Right, right, and right. They claim we are the ones that dont care about women, yet they deny women are hurt by abortion, they dont care women die from abortion, they dont care it is mostly male abortionists profiting off women's crises.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
Not to mention if it was all about women's rights, then what if the child is female? What of her rights? Or is she not a human? Or, does she not get rights until she is a legal adult? It's one double-standard after another. Keep up the good fight, my friend.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
Yes, showing them they have value by picketing clinics and calling them whores and murderers. Throwing things at them, taking photos of their license plates and threatening to put them online. Violently attacking clinics and the staff that work there.... Very kind and supportive of your side.
lilsasami 2 years ago
First of all, not all of us do that. I have never called these women whores. I have participated in the "bound for life" movements, in which we stand across the street of an abortion clinic with tape over our mouths in silent protest. It is civil, and it is legit. Do you know how many babies lives we saved doing that? A few, but it is worth it. The mothers that talked to us are so happy that they made the decision to keep the child after talking to us.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
Lovely, I sincerely hope none of these women regret keeping it after being emotionally blackmailed. Women aren't as stupid as you're trying to make them sound. We know what abortion is, we know what's going to happen to the fetus. Most of us don't need your "counseling" to tell us what we're doing. We have mind and we've made a choice. And yes, I have sat in on a session. They were very informative. And I did answer your question. Do not pass go, do not collect 200 dollars.
lilsasami 2 years ago
If women do not need our counsel, then why do we get dozens a week seeking it?
I never said women were stupid. I said they were deceived into thinking that it will be ok. And whoever convinces them of this is pure evil.
You say you know what happens to a fetus. Well, if you are perfectly ok with supporting it's destruction, then you ARE a murdering monster. If you do not care about the fact you've just destroyed a life, then something is wrong with you.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
Because they are being emotionally manipulated to think they are feelings are wrong or what they want to do is evil and murderous. Regardless of how sure you are that the sky is blue if enough people tell you it's pink most people are going to start doubting themselves Tsk tsk, name calling already revival? How typical and petty. I thought you just said that wasn't the kind of thing you did.
lilsasami 2 years ago
Bleh. *to think what they are feeling...
lilsasami 2 years ago
You said it yourself- you know exactly what they do to fetuses. If you knowingly make a decision that you know is horrible in nature, then that does make you a monster.
This is what you produce, knowlingly, willingly, and proudly: /watch?v=9kvSujy6OJs
Please, see abortion for what it really is.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
Once again you assume that we (or in this case I) am either ignorant or stupid. I know what abortion does, showing me medical waste isn't going to change my mind on the matter anymore than shoving me into a room while someone's preforming surgery would make me think that surgery is disgusting and wrong.
lilsasami 2 years ago
"Medical Waste" ?!?!?! I am so angry right now that I have to take a breath.
Have you ever heard of Gianna Jessen? She survived a failed abortion. To you, she is just medical waste. I suggest your research her before calling someone a non-human. You think a chopped up fetus by an abortion doctor is nothing more than 'medical waste?' That comment makes me so angry that I cannot even think straight right now.
livingwaterrevivals 2 years ago
I know watching the unborn being slaughtered and seeing blind people enable the slaughter can be a very heavy burden to bear, just keep reminding yourself that it is us who history will remember as the heros. We are the ones future generations will revere and respect. The pro-aborts will be shamed for all time. We must pity them and pray they will see the light one day, for their own sake.
MARLONBART 2 years ago
Malron, your ego is showing. :o
History will decide who is viewed as heroes. You sir are simply a bit player in the scheme of things, as am I. Neither of us know for certain what the future holds or how people will see it.
lilsasami 2 years ago