Ron Paul vs Barry Goldwater

[bdmenne]

I would like to adopt this man as my Grand-dad.

[sandythebear]

Goldwater and Paul, great fellas both of them.

[Hardlydangerous]

Just another senile old jewboy flapping his lips.

Hey jew, we ain´t interested in what you have to say. Fuck off to israel and peddle your bullshit over there.

[th3giv3r]

@Hardlydangerous Ironically, Ron Paul would take steps to reduce Israel's dependency on the United States. Wouldn't that make anti-Semites like you pleased?

[cartmanfan0316]

Ron Paul is not isolationist! He is a noninterventionalist, just like George Washington.

[RadioFreeWisconsin]

They have nothing to do with one another.

Barry Goldwater: Defending Liberty at home AND abroad. A strong supporter of the Vietnam War.

Ron Paul: Isolationist.

Barry Goldwater: Staunchly Pro-Choice.

Ron Paul: Staunchly Anti-Choice.

[Willredd94]

@RadioFreeWisconsin in 1964, the Goldwater Campaign ran ads on national television, in which Goldwater supported getting all troops out of Vietnam before it got bad.

[2012Ronpaul2012]

its a shame people arent as smart as you...

[xagcx]

The only thing I found unacceptable about Ron Paul was his Isolationism and seeming desire to abandon our allies around the planet to their tyrannical neighbors. Otherwise he would have been a perfect candidate.

[Nautilus3333]

Ron Paul is and never has been an isolationist, he's a non-interventionist. He does not want to disengage around the world and hide behind walls of razorwire--he wants to engage around the world, freely trading with all nations peacefully inclined towards the U.S.

Which allies would he have abandoned? He would have traded with them, sold them what they needed, while preventing thousands of American boys from dying for a cause Asian boys should be fighting for.

[xagcx]

He advocated strongly against establishing political relations with Poland and other eastern european states for one.

We can trade and sell Taiwan what it needs to defend it's independance from China? I'd be very suprised.

Ron Paul backs a policy of "non-intervention" in world affairs that even Jefferson abandoned when it became clear American force was required to secure American interests abroad.

[Nautilus3333]

If you're referring to the Barbary Pirates... Jefferson did not abandon this policy, it was adhered to with little exception through the 19th century, Harding and of course Coolidge, Reagan's presidential hero, also adhered to this position, as did the Republican Party for most of the 20th century...

"We can trade and sell Taiwan what it needs to defend it's independance from China? I'd be very suprised."

We? Who is we? If "we" is private businessmen, then yes, sell away...

[xagcx]

So basically you're saying, if a small multiparty democracy nation just doesn't have the bodies or cash to fight a huge totalitarian adversary like China, too bad, so sad?

That's consistent with most Ronpaulites I've talked to. Liberty and protection of others who wish to live under it is irrelevant abroad, only valid within the borders of the US. I still see that as isolationist.

[Nautilus3333]

So what you're saying is that the United States should expend taxpayer dollars to prop up regimes around the world if they happen to be democratic? Merely because a regime is democratic does not necessitate American financial and military support.

Taiwan has the resources necessary to purchase at market levels the military goods our taxpayers provide for our own government for our own protection.

What is the fundamental law of this country? What powers does the central government have?

[Nautilus3333]

So you agree with the SCOTUS extending the protections of American law-including Habeas Corpus, worldwide?

How many people do you need to liberate with other people's money in order to be able to rest your head easily on the pillow?

How has "liberating" peoples around the world worked out so far? Check out countries in Africa...

If you want to donate of your own money and blood to go fight for others, by all means, we do have an individual responsibility to aid the helpless, but gov't? No.

[Nautilus3333]

Who needs the protection of American tax-dollars around the world? What happens to individual responsibility in other countries if we bail out all these foreign peoples? Why not just let other peoples be the defenders of their own hearths and homes? Do not force Americans, with their kith and kin, to bleed and die, to expend our treasures, fighting to impose on other peoples a form of government they may not be able to maintain. Can Afghanistan maintain a constitutional republic?

[xagcx]

All very moving and passionate, but the end result is you, and your kith and kin, bleeding and dying alone under assault from an entire planet slowly pushed toward tyranny by ever hungry rulers who carved up weaker populations of persons wishing to breathe free one at a time. All of whom are gone because of you didn't think they were worthy of your support because they weren't part of your "kith and kin", or worthy enough to expend your treasure on. You hand the world to tyranny.

[Nautilus3333]

"[T]he end result is you, and your kith and kin... dying alone under assault from an entire planet slowly pushed toward tyranny by ever hungry rulers who carved up weaker populations of persons[.]"

Perhaps, I but I would rather live free than be a slave to a government inevitably writ large by its international interference. I think you are mistaken though, people under freedom are more entrepreneurial, more industrious, more productive, and more efficient than their slavish counterparts...

[Nautilus3333]

Military intervention did not end the Soviet menace, economic law did--the law which tells us that central planners cannot calculate prices efficiently in a centralized economy, which tells us that massive waste will be inevitable, which tells us that in the end, all centralized economic states inevitably will fail and become more impoverished than laissez-faire societies...

[xagcx]

In theory, or you may just have a continual eb and flow of would-be totalitarian masters seeking to control the productive people of the world, and I think world history shows that to be the most likely scenerio.

I understand your perspective, but I maintain my agreement with Edmund Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing"

If you will not aid those who seek the same liberty you seek, you are liable for their enslavement at the hands of the strong

[Nautilus3333]

History shows that intervening around the world leads to unintended consequences... we can't stay and be the policeman of the world forever... other countries in other times have tried that--how did it wind up working for Athens, Rome and England?

If you see downtrodden, yes, it is your individual duty to help them, but our government was not created to hand out welfare checks, domestically or abroad. Feel free to held fight evil, but don't turn the U.S. from friendly to forceful.

[Terrorera]

There is a big difference between armed independence and surrender. I thought our job was to protect ourselves as Americans, I did not realize we had the moral pimp-cane to strut about th rest of the world.

Many people during the French Revolution, here in the states were saying those same wars, but thank goodness for John Adams, who advocated a policy of armed independence and neutrality. Thank goodness we didn't intervene in that conflict. Fucking Napoleon/tyrants in general.

[xagcx]

If we dedicate ourselves to only the protection of ourselves, and refuse to raise a hand to help those who desire liberty but haven't the might to resist tyrants, America will undoubtedly stand alone, her would be allies in liberty all consumed by a global network of tyrants, until that day that America too bows before the combined might of those who hate our liberty, our might not being sufficient to counter an entire world of tyrants.

[Terrorera]

I hope you are not defending the current policy with that arguement, because I have noticed that our foreign policy is devoted to the service of special interest and global government concerns, which erode U.S. sovereignty. The humanitarian interventions for the sake of liberty are often motivated by the MI complex. Why did we intervene in Kosovo, but not Rwanda? Its because of the special interests, it is because war is a racket, and we must do all in our power to avoid it to protect liberty.

[xagcx]

I made no references to the current policies in washington. I make references to Ron Paul's policy of isolationism, and the problems with it.

[Terrorera]

There is a large difference between isolationism and armed independence. Politican science teaches that isolationism requires economic isolation and military isolation. Paul himself calls his foreign policy nonintervention.

[xagcx]

So, if we adopt your terminology, I object to Paul's policy of "Nonintervention" in terms where legitimate freedom seeking peoples and governments request support (beyond just being sold guns or rented soldiers) in order to prevent conquest by neighboring tyrants.

It's a recipie for being the last free state standing in a world of tyranny.

[Terrorera]

Well, I would then instruct you to take a look at all of the hateful regimes that we have created in order to prevent conquest by neighboring tyrants. Just take a look at how many leftist regimes are emerging in South America due to our "protection of freedom" over there. I, as a matter of fact, do think that the Taliban was a result of our support of "freedom seeking peoples". If you think that Franco's regime, supported by our country, as "protecting freedom" then you indeed are a lost cause.

[xagcx]

I do not advocate supporting tyrants just to face off tyrants.

[Terrorera]

So it's a debate about strategy. Is it more effective to diffuse liberal ideas through armed intervention or through trade? Have sanctions and armed intervention EVER worked in promoting freedom? Property rights are inseparable from civil rights, so economic freedom is synonymous with political freedom, so to spread political freedom, you spread economic freedom. I think you are referring to our policy with Europe, namely paying for their defense while they pay for advanced education. Fair deal.

[xagcx]

I oppose is RP's policy of abandoning States such as S Korea, Israel, taiwan, and Japan.

My recommendation for support of their defense is not in the name of forcing any particular system upon them, but rather to ensure their own systems, reasonably free compared to their neighbors, are not crushed and subsumed by neighboring tyrants. Europe is still capable of defending itself at this time, but it would have been quickly subsumed by the USSR if we had not actively supported it's security.

[Terrorera]

S. Korea-By having our troops there, we are threatened with a major war should Kim Jong Il decide to go over the border. The troops already there would be smothered, because if the NK Army comes over the border, not much will be able to stop them.

Israel-If you are a true friend of Israel, you wouldn't support our policy over there, because we give more to the Arab nations around them than we give to Israel, furthermore it cannot seem to give up on the fascistic policy against palestine.

[Terrorera]

Taiwan-We do not need to, once more, be in the stomping ground of a major war should China in this case decide to take back Taiwan. The China of today isn't nearly as bad as the China of 40 years ago, for they have been slowly yet noticable liberalizing due to our commerce with them.

Japan-We subsidize their defense while they devote their tax money towards enhanced education/economic policies. Fair deal.

I would remind you that we funded communist regimes throughout the Cold War.

[xagcx]

Again, I give no support to funding tyrants, you falsely attribute this to my views. And China is plenty bad if you don't happen to be in step with obediance to The Party.

What I get from your comments and the comments of other Ron Paul Supporters is "My Freedom is not negotiable but other people's freedom is not my problem, if someone else is being enslaved by a tyrant, tuff titties for them for not being strong enough to resist them".

That was at all consistent with Goldwater.

[lukyll]

sorry so late on the debate you had going....but if you really think that tyrants are our problem, and not the problem of the people who tolerate them....i must ask you; how is it our blood to shed for the freedom of people whose responsibility it is to shed blood for their own freedom? fact is NO government stands without the toleration of the people....NO government....i dont care who you want to talk about, the things they did right or wrong, nor who got killed in the process....NO government

[xagcx]

A fighting tyrants is indeed what happens when when you defend a free state from a more powerful tyrant. WWII vs Nazis for example

I didn't say I support giving "more to the Arab nations around them than we give Israel", obviously that's counter productive.

Israel is heavy handed to be sure, but they are surrounded by states that avow their destruction, states which aid constant attack of Israel by proxy via the Palastininan territories, using it's people as a bludgeon against Israel

[biologos101]

You still think we are a free state?

[TheSigovesos]

@biologos101 Some fools do think that still, despite the obvious totalitarian leaning police-state legislation of the last 10 years ! ! ! !

[pmoshay]

interesting to hear your assessment, thank you!~

[ericandjesse3]

Ron Paul sure kicked everyone's ass in this election.

[Cameltoeguy]

Truer words could not be spoken.... thanks for your wisdom

[dlondon1144]

Thank you, sir. God bless.

Ron Paul for 2008!

[tibbz82]

well spoken! right on!!

[trauts01]

Bravo, well done sir. Thank you for providing this insightful upload.

[cmsingerbill]

great video!

[VoteYourConsience]

the media killed Ron Paul's name. From a COMPLETE Black Out to slander to disrespect. Ask any 10 people on the street and at least 7 will say they never heard of Ron Paul or they thought he was a brand name not a politician.

Ron Paul will tear down all what those elitists and bankers built in the past 100 years. It may take an eceonomic disaster to wake people up probably. Sad but true

Thank you Mr Edge

[jdawgwelling]

It's true. Atlas is Shrugging as we speak.

[thomasst2]

Nice.

[VoteYourConsience]

Thank you Dr Edge

[LaxM]

"accustomed to a dictator instead of a President"

Good call!

[lastnymleft]

Thank you for your commentary. You are correct - Dr Paul is a uniter - IF the Republican base can get past their war obsession.

Let's just hope it's not too late, by the time the public recognizes Dr Paul for the great man he is.

[cv1122]

fantastic vid! Another wise Dr. Thank you Dr. Edge:)

[elleanee]

Thanks Dr. Edge. Let's find a way to be heard without the old media because they've made it perfectly clear that they are not going to help the American people hear Ron Paul's message nor report his victories. May God bless us all!

[redpenguin01]

Very educational.. thank you.

[maggiebott]

BRAVO!

[saynotoslavery]

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[pontala]

awesome!

[Amy31415]

zoiks!

[anyusmoon1]

People- you can see by this testimony there are ALL kinds of support for Dr. Paul; the likes of Dr. Edge represent a politically astute sector and others represent the heartfelt core of liberty and sensibility; just to name two. BOTH ARE ASTUTE, BOTH ARE RELEVANT, BOTH SUPPORT Dr. Paul! Support sovereignty! Support FREEDOM AND LIBERTY! SUPPORT Limited Federal Gov and States rights, Individual sovereignty and G*D given right.

[RonPaulClips]

That's a GREAT Video!! *****

Great Ron Paul Commercial in Georgia for Super Tuesday:

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[user134342]

good stuff.

[colbyco101]

Excellent video.

Ron Paul can unite America because the Constitution unites America.

[Boomer1949]

What a wonderful arguement for Ron Paul and so right on the money. Those of us who have studied the issues and know the truth, understand that what you say is the absolute truth..Ron Paul is indeed the man for this era.

[NeonKnight88]

Totally nailed it

[Mordaan]

wow! it was slow at start... but this is a great video. Hope! There is Hope!!! Ron Paul!! For Freedom and Humanity!

[098uiokjh]

Thank you sir, we can only hope that many more true republicans shall stand up for the principles of their party.

And those of the Founding Fathers!

[BigFatTonyCal]

another wise Doctor.