Hot Debate between Salafi & hanafi scholar 10

[moondoctr]

Since we do not have a strong world leadership followers of Islam is divided into as much as posible.An ignorant muslim if he believes in Lahilaha Illalah,Muhammadur Rasoollah and any Mazhab,shia or Sunni or Salafi or Wahabi He is a true muslim.IF any of them knowingly takes funds from Governments and act against each other deviding muslims he is assumably a betrayer and Allah knows best and not ourselves

[marcstylzzz]

@moondoctr agreed and also thank you for distinguishing salafis and wahaabis from sunnis. it was long due.

[muzit3]

میرا مطلب ہر گز یہ نہیں تھا کہ کسی کا عقیدے پر بات کرو لیکن یہ مسلہ رافع یدین اب امام شافعی رضی اللہ کے ماننے والوں کو کیا کہیں گے امام احمد بن حنبل رضی اللہ کے ماننے والوں کو۔ جو شخص اللہ و رسول صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم صحابہ اکرام، بذرگان دین، اولیا عظام رحم اللہ کی شان کی ذرا برابر بھی گستاخی کرے چاہیے وہ بڑا علم دین ہو علم فاضل ہو اللہ صرف اپنے پیاروں کی محبت سے ایمان کی سلامتی کو مشروط کرتاہے۔ باقی سب درجے حاصل کرنے کے ذریعے ہیں ایمان اللہ کے پیاروں کی محبت کانام ہے۔ جزاک اللہ خیرا

[muzit3]

اسلام علیکم

نہ اتنا علم نہ اتنا عمل

بس ایک بات کہنا چاہتا ہوں۔ جنت کا حصول اور اللہ کی محبت نہ کسی رفع یدین کرنے والوں کے نام رجسٹری ہے۔ نہ رفع یدین نہ کرنے والوں کے۔نہ ہاتھ بند کر نماز پڑھنے والے والوں اور نہ چھوڑ کر پڑھنے والوں کے۔ یہ سب آقا کی سنتیں ہیں سب ثابت ہیں۔

[markertm]

@muzit3 Jannat ka hassol beshak sirf rafia al-dain say nahi hai lakin aik zaria zaroor hai. jannat kay liye aqeedah ka sahi hona shart hai. jab tak Aqeedah khalis or tawheed per nahi ho ga tab tak jitni marzi namay hajj rozay or zakat hi koi kion na day day kuch nahi mily ga ....is liye aqeedah khalis nabi (Peace be pon him) key batay hovey tareeqay key mutabiq hona chahye jo sirf ahle hadeeth ka hi hai alhumdolillah or rafiaal dain nabi say mubahat ka saboot hai.

[Libra110pk]

اہل سنت كى دو مشہور تفاسير ، تفسير قرطبي،اور تفسير در المنثورميں حضرت عائشہ زوجہ رسول(ص) سے نقل كيا گيا ہے كہ :

سورة الاحزاب كى 200 آيات تھيں اور اب 73 سے زيادہ باقى نہيں بچى ہيں

اس سے بڑھ كر صحيح بخارى اور صحيح مسلم ميں بھى ايسى روايات نظر آتى ہيں جن سے تحريف كى بُو آتى ہے

ليكن ہر گز كسى ايك مصنف يا چند ضعيف روايات كى وجہ سے تحريف والے قول كو شیعہ اہل سنت كى طرف نسبت نہيں ديتے ہيں

تفسير قرطبي،جلد 14ص113 و تفسير الدر المنثور ،جلد5 ص180

صحيح بخارى ،جلد8ص208 و صحيح مسلم ،جلد 4، ص167

[okasha61]

lol...why are they getting so heated up for...i wish the brothers wouldn't debate like that

[rabbaniqadri]

@markertm yes those hadeeths brought to you by sunni ullema are right Sahih Authentic Ahadeeths saved by Salafs Asahabas and Tabayeens.. but its just you people are belind and hard headed who wont take them. look at your Neo Salafi alam hes angery its like hes going die.. so you are rejecting the Salaf hadeeths.... Imam Hanifa was Al Salaf RAH

[markertm]

@rabbaniqadri imam abu haneefa raheemahullah was from salaf. no doubt but he didn't bring any ahadeeth forth which are preserved in the books of hadeeth. any book of hadeeth written by imam abu haneefa let me know insha Allah. we take all those ahadeeth from the bottom of our heart which are authentic. one who rejects the hadeeth he is not true believer and could lead to being a disbeliever. and same applies to everyone

[rabbaniqadri]

@markertm you telling me Imam Abu Haneefa RAH never ever bring any Hadeeth maybe he did some of the hadeeth how you be so sure about this but anyways never mind about the way yous pray like doing Raf ulYadian i think its from Imam Ahmed Handil RAH because all the Hanblis pray with Raf UlYadain.. i think we shouldnt fight and argue over these small things.. i used to pray by doing Raf UlYadian before but then i stoped.

[IraqiDieHard]

@markertm brother, Abu haneefa and the iraqi school in general have set their own criteria in accepting the hadiths that's slightly different from the people of ahlul hadeeth. So differences are inevitable.

If you prefer the Ahlul hadeeth way... thats fine, but accusing them of not following the sunna of the prophets (S.A.W) is wrong and unfair. NO muslim knowingly rejects the Sunna of the prophet

[markertm]

@IraqiDieHard if the criteria is to accept those ahadeeth which goes in the favour of hanfi fiqh and arejecting those which goes against hanfi fiqh then this criteria is not allowed in islam at all. My dear Brother we people of sunnah ie ahlul hadeeth love imam abu haneefa raheemahullah but we do not claim he is meant to be blindly followed along with other aimma. you can reject their fatawas if they goes against the sunnah. so people do not uderstand this and still abuse of for nothing

[IraqiDieHard]

@markertm Brother I appreciate your defence of the salafi/hanbali Mazhab but learn the asool of Hanafis before you accuse them of blindly following abu haneefa. In fact read some of the debates of the ulama of the mazahib, you will see the massive gap between their knowledge and ours today.

BTW im salafi too but I recognise that asabya and ignorance also exists within us. That salafi guy in the video is an AWFUL example of that.

[markertm]

@IraqiDieHard with all due respect akhi, salafi are not hanbli at all. They do take knowledge from all the aimma but they more inclined towards imam hanbal due to his great knowledge.If you were salafi then you should know this anyway. Salafis are not blind followers but if you were to know what people of pakistan who claim to be ulama of hanfi believe then you should accept what is said or claimed in these munazrahs. any1 who claims to be salafi can not be perfect. You should defend salfis .

[IraqiDieHard]

@markertm

We Salafis are Hanbalis. Our asool, are EXACTLY the same, in terms of both Aqeedah and Fiqh.

These are school of thoughts/Mazahib/Methodologies - call them what you like - and I will never defend one over the other, so long as we all abide by the the Quran & Sunna. Indeed that is the case with all five sunni Mazahib, yet we still witness asabya particularly Hanbalis who went as far as killing Imam Al-Tabari !!! Only complete ignorance has lead to it.

Anyway, thats enough for me.

[bambinici]

@IraqiDieHard since what time we have 5th mazhab if the salafi is oil-propaganda's product of saudis and extreme hanabila? ya ahi li ma hatha??? only four sunni mazhabz have their uninterrupted sanads to sahabi and Prophet s.a.w. this petrolium da'awat of massive betrayers of this ummah, fithna spreaders ans so on will disappear soon. inshaLLAh. every high educated islamic scholar of sub continent knows who launched the fitnah of so called ahl hadith in Hindustan and Pakistan.

[markertm]

@bambinici you and your research is in the bin. May Allah guide you. Salafiah is not the madhab rather it is islam. indeed 4 other madahib came after the time of sahaba. and you didnt understand what is islam in its true sense. Do you have any ayah or the hadeeth which says to follow 4 madhab? is there anywhere mention to follow 4 imam? trust me till the day of judgement you will never ever be able to bring any proof. Alhumdolillah

[marcstylzzz]

@markertm Salafiya roots from ummayads...the enemies of Islam, not the sahabas. get your facts straight please and thank you.

[marcstylzzz]

@marcstylzzz sorry correction, didnt mean roots from, but adheres to and follows the ummayads in all aspects.

[bambinici]

@IraqiDieHard don't waste your time on this ignorant people.why than Maliki ashabul Madina took the same hukm as Iraqi scholars?both of them were salaf generation.or they didn't know about hadith? whatta.why jumhur of sahabi including Abu Huraira r.a. didn't practice r.y.even being transmitters of ahadith of f.y.?all maliki and hanifi jahls but salafi have absolute DALIL-time's machine,haven't they? from Ibrahin Nahai from Alqama from Abdullah ibn Mas'ud. imam Nasai ra said this chain is goldest

[rabbaniqadri]

first you idiots ask for hadiths then when bring the Hadiths those are not true in your views.. why why??? what is wrong with you people

[markertm]

@rabbaniqadri

because deen is based on what was revealed to Muhammad (PBUH) by Allah , ie Quran and Hadeeth. so if someone tried to bring a hadeeth which is authenticated by the salaf and the one who saved the ahadeeth then that will be rejected. simple is that.

[kyoshimadoshi]

wat a waste

[bigdawgification]

Actually there is hypocrisy on the part of the Salafis. They claim that the maddhabs cause division when you yourself are admitting that the Hanafis have no problem with the Shafi'is.

As for the Salafis doing raf' al yadayn, then the Hanafis have no problem with anyone doing it as their are sahih ahadith showing that the Prophet did it; what they do have a problem with is when the Salafis criticize the Hanafis for not doing it, even though there are sahih hadith where the Prophet does not do it

[markertm]

no akhi this is not the problem i can tell you. Problem is touheed and shirk , sunnah and bida and Blind taqleed. We read the kalamah of Muhammad (PBUH) not of abu haneefa or shafi or hambl or malik....(Raheemahullah). akhi there is no where in the books of sahih ahadeeth where prophet (PBUH) said do not do rafiul yadain. its hanafi ulama who calls salafi that they are doing this against sunnah.whereas you have accepted that this action of muhammad (PBUH) is proved from ahadeeth.Alhumdolillah

[tharilist1]

@markertm u sound stupid

[markertm]

@tharilist1

acha thanks for this . May Allah reward you for increasing my hasanat

[omerjlm]

If you are a Shafi and doing Rafaidain then that is fine and if you are doing it while you are Ahle-Hadees then it is not according to Sunnah.

This is so much hepocracy in Hanafism