Here is how אני ANiY, I or אנכי ANoKiY, I, personal pronoun from Biblical Hebrew has influenced languages from ancient America. Quechua; ñuqa, -ni Asheninca: naaca Arabela: -nijia Cashinahua: ean Chibcha: Bari: naj Arawak: Yucuna: nuukhá Mayan: Chor: en Mayan: 'aa'in Unami Delaware: nee See how personal pronoun I is found in other semitic languages: Assyrian: anāku Arabic: أَنَا ‘anā Syriac: ܐܶܢܳܐ ‘enā Ugaritic: ảnk Amhairc: እኔ ane Geez: anǝ These are real remnants of Semitic in America
It doesn't sound very rigorous. It's easy to find 'thousands of parallels' if your definition of a match is broad enough.
From your description, Stubbs is claiming a match if a Uto-Aztecan word bears a resemblance (how close?) to a similar word in Hebrew OR Arabic. I could find thousands of parallels between Klingon and either English OR Esperanto by that method, especially if I allow near semantic matches.
Linguists have seen this kind of game over and over again, and they wisely reject it.
This is real crackpot stuff. Every once in a while, someone will put a few words next to each other and say "Oh, look! Basque and Korean are related!" But a certain number of similarities should be expected between any two languages, particularly if you're reaching for it.
When someone at FARMS presents their results at the annual LSA meeting, giving their evidence for reclassifying Uto-Aztecan as a branch of the Semitic language family, will you please let me know? I'd love to be there.
@TheBackyardProfessor Wow, you really got shown up by this guy TheBackdoorProfessor. It couldn't be because you are coming up with some ridiculously stupid, unscholarly conclusions could it? Maybe you should give up professing MORmONism and find something to do that doesn't require extensive thinking.
Here is how אני ANiY, I or אנכי ANoKiY, I, personal pronoun from Biblical Hebrew has influenced languages from ancient America. Quechua; ñuqa, -ni Asheninca: naaca Arabela: -nijia Cashinahua: ean Chibcha: Bari: naj Arawak: Yucuna: nuukhá Mayan: Chor: en Mayan: 'aa'in Unami Delaware: nee See how personal pronoun I is found in other semitic languages: Assyrian: anāku Arabic: أَنَا ‘anā Syriac: ܐܶܢܳܐ ‘enā Ugaritic: ảnk Amhairc: እኔ ane Geez: anǝ Remnants of Semitic in America .
there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. - Joseph Smith, The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264.
That's a very late source in the 1890's. To attribute this saying to Joseph Smith may very well be seriously sloppy. I have researched this on my "Mormonism Researched" website, along with lots of other issues. Perhaps it might help you to have a look at that.
On another note, I find it to be an astonishing coincidence, that the closest remnants of the Hebrew language to be found in america to date, would be spoken by natives who lived in the exact same place the Saints would eventually settle. Is it just me, or is that such a glaring clue, as to be omitted. Kind of like God saying, whoa, didn't see that coming, we better dumb it down a bit.
It's interseting how narratives in historical or biblical records lose their perspective in the eyes of some readers, unless what they are reading can be placed into proper context with the general surroundings and conditions of that time.
I blame it on movies, where in many cases , all that is needed, is all laid out for us, and we just sit back and enjoy the ride. The idea is that most of what was written would be for an audience who took much of the background needed to comprehend the information for granted.
This is truly an area where Joseph Smith shines. To think that he stumbled into that concept, and presupposed that it would lend credence, and actual evidence to the BofM because (it would beg the question) is preposterous. The evolution of languages is a very good example of the BofM narrators not mentioning the obvious, unless it was to an extent, offering what was needed to understand a given situation or event, simply because it was a given in their minds.
I honestly believe the concept that the records would eventually wind up in the hands of people who were virtually (mesoamerica illiterate)never crossed their minds. Except for maybe Moroni.
1faedo 1 week ago
Thank you brother
ldsmexlife 1 year ago
It doesn't sound very rigorous. It's easy to find 'thousands of parallels' if your definition of a match is broad enough.
From your description, Stubbs is claiming a match if a Uto-Aztecan word bears a resemblance (how close?) to a similar word in Hebrew OR Arabic. I could find thousands of parallels between Klingon and either English OR Esperanto by that method, especially if I allow near semantic matches.
Linguists have seen this kind of game over and over again, and they wisely reject it.
fontor 1 year ago
This is real crackpot stuff. Every once in a while, someone will put a few words next to each other and say "Oh, look! Basque and Korean are related!" But a certain number of similarities should be expected between any two languages, particularly if you're reaching for it.
When someone at FARMS presents their results at the annual LSA meeting, giving their evidence for reclassifying Uto-Aztecan as a branch of the Semitic language family, will you please let me know? I'd love to be there.
fontor 1 year ago
Yeah, as if *you* would know anything about it eh?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
I teach Linguistics at the University of Western Australia.
fontor 1 year ago
Wonderful, then why do you snub the linguistic materials of Stubbs?
TheBackyardProfessor 1 year ago
@TheBackyardProfessor Wow, you really got shown up by this guy TheBackdoorProfessor. It couldn't be because you are coming up with some ridiculously stupid, unscholarly conclusions could it? Maybe you should give up professing MORmONism and find something to do that doesn't require extensive thinking.
mikeyjwest 1 year ago
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1faedo 1 week ago
Is is beautiful how The prophet Joseph Smith said that the world would prove the Book of Mormon. Indeed it is the word of God.
trappedhere2 2 years ago
The book of Mormon IS the word of God!
TrueChurchLDS 3 years ago
there are men living on the moon who dress like Quakers and live to be nearly 1000 years old. - Joseph Smith, The Young Woman's Journal, Vol. 3, pages 263-264.
Theshukun3600 3 years ago
That's a very late source in the 1890's. To attribute this saying to Joseph Smith may very well be seriously sloppy. I have researched this on my "Mormonism Researched" website, along with lots of other issues. Perhaps it might help you to have a look at that.
TheBackyardProfessor 3 years ago
@TheBackyardProfessor it is easy to see how an athiest would scoff that the notion of Quakers on the moon but, truly all things are possable for God.
trappedhere2 2 years ago
It just seems to be as rediculous as the British Israelie cults claiming that English was derived from Hebrew. Rabbono shel olam, mah akshav?
allergictoeverything 3 years ago
The Moors ruled Spain from 711-1492AD, Well over 700 years.
It was a time of surprising religious tolerance with a powerful Jewish presence
Clearly, the archaic Spanish of the first Mesoamerican colonists would have reflected these complex linguistic roots most strongly
Little wonder then that modern Mesoamerican languages also yield powerful evidence of these shared Semitic origins.
Mystery solved.
truthferrret 3 years ago 37
On another note, I find it to be an astonishing coincidence, that the closest remnants of the Hebrew language to be found in america to date, would be spoken by natives who lived in the exact same place the Saints would eventually settle. Is it just me, or is that such a glaring clue, as to be omitted. Kind of like God saying, whoa, didn't see that coming, we better dumb it down a bit.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
It's interseting how narratives in historical or biblical records lose their perspective in the eyes of some readers, unless what they are reading can be placed into proper context with the general surroundings and conditions of that time.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
I blame it on movies, where in many cases , all that is needed, is all laid out for us, and we just sit back and enjoy the ride. The idea is that most of what was written would be for an audience who took much of the background needed to comprehend the information for granted.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
This is truly an area where Joseph Smith shines. To think that he stumbled into that concept, and presupposed that it would lend credence, and actual evidence to the BofM because (it would beg the question) is preposterous. The evolution of languages is a very good example of the BofM narrators not mentioning the obvious, unless it was to an extent, offering what was needed to understand a given situation or event, simply because it was a given in their minds.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
I honestly believe the concept that the records would eventually wind up in the hands of people who were virtually (mesoamerica illiterate)never crossed their minds. Except for maybe Moroni.
canadianbacon007 3 years ago
we are gathering the evidence
"line upon line"
or
"research upon research"
osmiolos 3 years ago
Or...... video by video! LOL!
TheBackyardProfessor 3 years ago