By the way, if any knowledgeable Catholic thinks I'm mistaken about transubstantiation, please enlighten me. I would hate to be wrong about something so important.
...I think the most recent case was in '03, but I have to research it to be more definitive.
Sincerely, friend, regarding the events at Fatima, the evidence is beyond reproach and should be enough to convert anyone who is not unreasonably committed to a certain point of view. If you want to discuss it, I invite you to PM me.
66 people cured with 80.000 sick people coming over 100 years, that's a success rate of 0.000825%. It's not as bad as betting on winning the lottery, but it goes in that direction. I'll choose the hospital anytime (although hospital food is a real torture).
The very sad part is that you call yourself "Father". Do I understand that you as a priest truly lost the faith completely? Or is it just ignorance or arrogance ? In that case we pray for your soul because an insult to the Mother of Our Lord is an insult to her Son and I am not sure how this will be received if you ever come to the gate of heaven. Yes, we pray for you. You need it.
Not everyone who is cured report back to lourdes. A girl of 14 I know who had cancer went to Lourdes and got cured. Doctors had no explaination only that it was miraculous. For those who believe no explaination is possible and for those woh are atheist no explanation is possible.I guess you'll be heading where Dawkins is heading. DOWN!
In the Catholic Church, they are very careful about who got healed. Usually in the Miracles of Lourdes. The Church only claimed about 63 "Qualified" healings even though many people claim to be healed.
People who claim to be healed, the Catholic Church asked that they go see a doctor or physician if the healing that occured is "Authentic".
The Church is very careful about it because it has to be scientific proven. This video is such a waste of time.
Well I'm afraid the numbers don't make much of an impression on me - not at all.
Compare them to the numbers who visit Lourdes every year, in search of a miracle, and you don't have very much at all. Is your God refusing to heal these poor people? Or is he simply not there?
I'd love to know what these so called miracles were. I'd hedge a bet that they don't involve the miraculous re-growing of severed limbs; or anything else that could have happened without a so-called miracle.
Right, and if the same thing was said like say, before some ailment was even known would not they then qualify alot of stuff as "Authentic" simply because the cause wouldn't be discovered until the 20th century and so you can claim "God did it" in the mean time?
@latinflava05 You are correct. The Catholic Church, interestingly enough, is the most skeptical of all investigators and only allows a few miracles to be worthy of belief. But there have been thousands of alleged miraculous recoveries at Lourdes that have been reported. Now, in my opinion, this still isn't too convincing. What should be convincing, though, is the story of Our Lady of Lourdes itself. And the story of Our Lady of Fatima. They should be enough to AT LEAST become agnostic.
@botwindfish What's so miraculous about superstitious people staring at the sun and seeing weird things? You're not supposed to stare at the sun. Meteorological phenomenon like parhelions are not miraculous.
I'm not very impressed with the "incorruptible" body of Saint Bernadette. Her body is on display with a WAX face mask and wax hands.
I'm rather skeptical of the scientific literacy of a group of people who believe a piece of bread literally turns into a person's flesh. hmm cannibalism!
@RomansPwnedJesus I only have so many characters to respond to you, so I'm sure you understand if I cannot go into depth on this. However, your statements simply do not square with the evidence. The evidence indisputably points to the veracity of the events at Fatima and, therefore, the truth of Christianity.
lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament.
@botwindfish "lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament."
"The festival proclaims the truth of the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the actual body of Christ during Mass." - The Feast of Corpus Christi - Walk with Christ and Celebrate, The Sydney Archdiocese website, 7 June 2010.
@RomansPwnedJesus The truth is more nuanced, friend. The bread and wine become the Real Presence of Jesus Christ ontologically, but the properties of bread and wine remain. The essence of their being is transformed, yes, but what is physically consumed remains the bread and wine. At the Last Supper, Jesus Christ did not hand out pieces of his flesh to his disciples.
Interestingly, though, there are dozens upon dozens of cases in which the Blessed Sacrament DID transform to flesh and blood...
I've had fundies tell me that the reason god doesn't grow limbs back is that we've sinned and don't deserve this kind of miracle; and yet they claim these other miracles, which usually involve something unseen, like a headache, etc.
There has been no evidence of a severed leg growing back, but several women
with advanced lupus, had a practically missing mouth and nose come back and
were cured of a disease more horrible that leprosy.
burkewhb 9 months ago
By the way, if any knowledgeable Catholic thinks I'm mistaken about transubstantiation, please enlighten me. I would hate to be wrong about something so important.
botwindfish 1 year ago
...I think the most recent case was in '03, but I have to research it to be more definitive.
Sincerely, friend, regarding the events at Fatima, the evidence is beyond reproach and should be enough to convert anyone who is not unreasonably committed to a certain point of view. If you want to discuss it, I invite you to PM me.
botwindfish 1 year ago
Oh, I forgot to mention, there are actually many cases where organs regenerated, so he's wrong on that.
botwindfish 1 year ago
66 people cured with 80.000 sick people coming over 100 years, that's a success rate of 0.000825%. It's not as bad as betting on winning the lottery, but it goes in that direction. I'll choose the hospital anytime (although hospital food is a real torture).
Chiflado21 2 years ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
Dawkins is so closed-minded, with his 'evidence' and 'science' and other godless nonsense...
D3ltaStar 2 years ago
you really are a simple sod arent you....
nikolasramsay 2 years ago
aren't you close-minded by rejecting the possibility that it's all a statistical coincidence
Chiflado21 2 years ago
The very sad part is that you call yourself "Father". Do I understand that you as a priest truly lost the faith completely? Or is it just ignorance or arrogance ? In that case we pray for your soul because an insult to the Mother of Our Lord is an insult to her Son and I am not sure how this will be received if you ever come to the gate of heaven. Yes, we pray for you. You need it.
seesint 2 years ago
Not everyone who is cured report back to lourdes. A girl of 14 I know who had cancer went to Lourdes and got cured. Doctors had no explaination only that it was miraculous. For those who believe no explaination is possible and for those woh are atheist no explanation is possible.I guess you'll be heading where Dawkins is heading. DOWN!
itsonlyweeme 3 years ago
Can you post evidence for your claims?
Didn't think so.
MilitantScience 3 years ago
@itsonlyweeme Unlikely remissions are bound to occur considering the millions of people who have gone to Lourdes. You're not very intelligent.
RomansPwnedJesus 1 year ago
In the Catholic Church, they are very careful about who got healed. Usually in the Miracles of Lourdes. The Church only claimed about 63 "Qualified" healings even though many people claim to be healed.
People who claim to be healed, the Catholic Church asked that they go see a doctor or physician if the healing that occured is "Authentic".
The Church is very careful about it because it has to be scientific proven. This video is such a waste of time.
latinflava05 3 years ago
Well I'm afraid the numbers don't make much of an impression on me - not at all.
Compare them to the numbers who visit Lourdes every year, in search of a miracle, and you don't have very much at all. Is your God refusing to heal these poor people? Or is he simply not there?
I'd love to know what these so called miracles were. I'd hedge a bet that they don't involve the miraculous re-growing of severed limbs; or anything else that could have happened without a so-called miracle.
MilitantScience 3 years ago
Oh, and please don't threaten me with violence via rather unlettered personal messages.
1. You'll never find me.
2. I will forward them both to youtube if you do so again.
and
3. So much for Christian love, huh?
MilitantScience 3 years ago
Right, and if the same thing was said like say, before some ailment was even known would not they then qualify alot of stuff as "Authentic" simply because the cause wouldn't be discovered until the 20th century and so you can claim "God did it" in the mean time?
stiaa04 2 years ago
@latinflava05 You are correct. The Catholic Church, interestingly enough, is the most skeptical of all investigators and only allows a few miracles to be worthy of belief. But there have been thousands of alleged miraculous recoveries at Lourdes that have been reported. Now, in my opinion, this still isn't too convincing. What should be convincing, though, is the story of Our Lady of Lourdes itself. And the story of Our Lady of Fatima. They should be enough to AT LEAST become agnostic.
botwindfish 1 year ago
@botwindfish There are scientific explanations for the Lady of Fatima. It's not such a great idea to ever look directly at the sun.
RomansPwnedJesus 1 year ago
@RomansPwnedJesus Of course there are "scientific explanations." None of them fit the evidence, which is absolutely clear.
botwindfish 1 year ago
@botwindfish What's so miraculous about superstitious people staring at the sun and seeing weird things? You're not supposed to stare at the sun. Meteorological phenomenon like parhelions are not miraculous.
I'm not very impressed with the "incorruptible" body of Saint Bernadette. Her body is on display with a WAX face mask and wax hands.
I'm rather skeptical of the scientific literacy of a group of people who believe a piece of bread literally turns into a person's flesh. hmm cannibalism!
RomansPwnedJesus 1 year ago
@RomansPwnedJesus I only have so many characters to respond to you, so I'm sure you understand if I cannot go into depth on this. However, your statements simply do not square with the evidence. The evidence indisputably points to the veracity of the events at Fatima and, therefore, the truth of Christianity.
lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament.
botwindfish 1 year ago
@botwindfish "lol, that's not what Catholics believe about the Blessed Sacrament."
"The festival proclaims the truth of the transubstantiation of bread and wine into the actual body of Christ during Mass." - The Feast of Corpus Christi - Walk with Christ and Celebrate, The Sydney Archdiocese website, 7 June 2010.
You seem to be lying for Jesus.
RomansPwnedJesus 1 year ago
@RomansPwnedJesus The truth is more nuanced, friend. The bread and wine become the Real Presence of Jesus Christ ontologically, but the properties of bread and wine remain. The essence of their being is transformed, yes, but what is physically consumed remains the bread and wine. At the Last Supper, Jesus Christ did not hand out pieces of his flesh to his disciples.
Interestingly, though, there are dozens upon dozens of cases in which the Blessed Sacrament DID transform to flesh and blood...
botwindfish 1 year ago
@RomansPwnedJesus Oh, you're also clearly uninformed on the incorruptible body of Saint Bernadette.
botwindfish 1 year ago
I've had fundies tell me that the reason god doesn't grow limbs back is that we've sinned and don't deserve this kind of miracle; and yet they claim these other miracles, which usually involve something unseen, like a headache, etc.
ChuckyJesus666 3 years ago