Germany and Austria? The Act of Union came before Germany and Austria as we know it today even existed. Scotland and England came together through agreement and Scottish people have had the option of independence through democracy for over 300 years. Enough said.
Who hates the english? Murray? Why because he said he didn't support england in the world cup? Would a sunderland supporter support newcastle in the champions league?
I don't think Britain should ever compete in any international sports, it adds to the split personality confusion. France are France in the olympics, Fifa World Cup, RBS 6 nations etc etc, why we pick and choose which tournaments we enter as a country or sovereign state is bizzarre.
Scotland should be a little less racist and a little more 'making yourselves known' worldwide then! I know you're tight like the Welsh but England manages it!!
Sorry if Scotlands racist what the hell is the country that has the majority of the BNP and EDL??? The problem is more the vacume effect caused by the England/Britian one and the same culture the rest of the world sees. No offense to the Welsh though but half the world thinks they're an English county, I worry some day Scotshire will fall there too till we're a distant memory like Cornwall.
@Cybopath I dont really care about BNP supporters because at the end of the day, they dont hate one another across Scotland, England and England's principality- Wales. The Scottish and Welsh benefit being combined with England so much, ie. tuition fees free in scotland, wales get discounted uni fees next year- the welsh government with the english tax payers contribution will pay off the difference for wales (and free prescriptions). People do know what scotland is, just not much wales.
Of course you don't all I'm saying is you can't dare call Scots racist when there are plenty of racists in England, as any country I suppose. Scotlands Free tution fees and prescriptions are thanks to the SNP not the Union. I have no problem with England, or it's population who have as little control over their MPs as I have, but I'd rather Scotland be an equel commonwealth partner than a subdued country-state.
@jacksite2007 You said 'a little less racist" but we're friendly people.. and you just made a racist remark to Welsh people. I could tell you though that one through..
@ThePeachish The welsh are awful- absolutely hate the english. You may be the nice minority, like some I know, but there are some ive seen who as soon as they found that I was english on Facebook, went mad at me and one now wont even look me in the eye or say a word to me. This is the main reason why I hate wales. North wales especially- bunch of inbreds half the ppl in Wrexham are!!
Explain this incredibly vague yet supposedly well thought out statement. Especially the second sentence which actually makes no sense structurally. From someone who claims to be at least 34 I'd expect more.
Oh right sheer xenophobic racisim from the apparent good willed neighbour and you wonder why so many want to seperate the union? 'Can't be bothered', I believe more like incapable due to feeble-mindedness.
Scotland, England and Wales are 3 very different peoples socially and are proud of it. there is a degree of healthy rivalry amongst us, but when the land is threatened by overseas powers expect to get a very British cock up your arse!
There is a difference between accents and dialects but what I should have said is how would he react to an Irishman. Of coarse countries closer are going to be more familiar(Especielly after centuaries of Alglization). How foriegn does an Australian seem compared to a Frenchman?
@Cybopath There is but the difference is subtle, fair enough though I get you. Although personally I would feel more comfortable immersed in Australian culture than French culture, assuming you don't mean aborigines (can't spell it)
What I mean is France is a fellow European country but Australia is far more similar culturaly. So no matter how similar two cultures may be doesn't mean they are not foriegn, now I see alot of similarities between Scotland and our British neighbours but I see as many with our Celtic cousins. I'm sure Austrians see more in common with Germany than they do France, doesn't mean they and Germany are one nation.
@Cybopath I suppose it depends on whether you prefer to think in terms of being English or being British, which is what this guy is talking about I suppose, because obviously Britain emcompasses Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. I prefer to think of Britain rather than England because frankly I hate nationalism lol, but yes I do see the point your making and it is true in essence.
@Cybopath haha yeah, i'm not too bad at understanding Scots' accent these days having worked with a few over the years. plus with my Yorkshire dialect, i don't think i can criticize how Scots speak english, lol
I understand your point but england is 84% population of the u.k which is why outsiders that don't know much about the country may see it as england, i understand it must be anoying for example if an american say's "British accent is so posh and stupid" when actually it's a northan england accent.
Pretty much all ready covered this. The seperate states and kingdoms of Scotland and England merged into the Kingdom of Great Britian but Scotland, England and Wales remained constituting countries hence the reason they had seperate laws, banks and education systems. The UK is a union of 4 countries that make up a soverign state, not 4 states that make up a country which is often the case.
@Cybopath I am from London. I moved to the U.S 15 years ago. true the Yanks can't distinguish between England, Scotland, Wales and reland.
To them we are states within the same country, Just as N.Y , Florida or California.
They, like Britain have one house of parliment.(The White House) They also have state run goverments.This works well for the U.S. No state in the U.S would say that they where better then another. You guys need to stop being so proud and work together
For US model to work England would have to change not Scotland. 1. England would have to have it's own 1st Minister, 2. London (As the UK capital like Washington D.C) would have to become a seperate district from the English parlament.
Well how about rather than just moaning about how people always view Britain as England you work to promote Scotland as a part of the UK? If you didn't fight it so much, then maybe people *would* think of Scotland as British. I know I do.
Probably because I don't want people to think of Scotland as British, I think of Scotland as Scottish. Your name really says it all I'm not concerned of what a close minded unionist thinks about my country.
Hey it's ok it's an example of how Scotland can get dragged down by what the UK does. Not that I believe English people are in favour of what the government does half the time either.
Why did then Britain put Iceland on the list of terrorist, no offense but still what is the reason to scare 300.000 people because they were afraid that they would be blown up to pieces.
The one that kills me is when an English person makes reference to their 'English' passport. I take great delight in verbally destroying them over it by pointing out the fact that the word 'England' does not appear anywhere on it (unless they wrote it in) and that England is merely a 'province' of the UK anyway.
It's the largest province, but a province nonetheless. :-)
This makes me sad. I am 100% Scottish and perfectly fine with the UK Union. I am British.
But your attitude seems to be of seperating Scotland from Britain (UK or GB) as opposed to educating those who misunderstand it. That includes many English people.
Just because the image overseas of 'Britain' is of a double decker bus driving through London (which I don't dispute) that doesn't mean that Scotland should therefore keep Britain at arms length.
Why shouldn't Scotland be like France, Ireland or any other country in the world and not be tied to 3 other countries all the time. The UK is a Soverign State not a country. Scotland, England, Wales and N.Ireland are all Constatuting Countries whithin that state. I have no problem with these countries having a union but acting like a country which in term supresses Scots & Welsh identities does.
@Cybopath Personally I think we can have the best of both worlds. Just because a country is not part of a Union does not guaruntee a culture free from influence from other countries. Look at Canada, we could argue that they are heavily influenced by the USA. I think Scotland culture and country is strong, I do not fear suppression. If Scotland or England became independent tomorrow, I don't think that alone would boost identity any more than it is now. :-)
Again I did not propose an Independant Scotland, free from the UK. Only that the UK stop being treated so often as a country and only as a union of countries and where a country must represent itself say as part of the U.N, E.U or superficially sporting events such as the olympics etc Scotland should represent itself.
Canada is a good example of what Scotland should be, part of the British Commonwealth with the Queen as the head of state yet in charge of it's own affairs.
Your absolutely correct in what you've said in this video. People regularly incorrectly refer to "great britain" as being a country, when in actual fact, as you said in the video, it is the name of the island on which their are 3 nations, Scotland, wales and england. I would say that the solution to this is for Scotland to become a normal, independent country, then we can be fully recognized by and join the nations of the world! Then the world will call us by who we are, Scotland, not Britain!
Yes I see no reason why Scotland can't be individually part of the UK and E.U. Also don't see why we can't represent ourselves in all sporting events including the Olympics and Tennis.
@Cybopath well, while it is possible for Scotland to be individually an independent member of the EU, something I of course want to happen, it is not possible to be a "individually" a part of the UK, simply because while we remain ruled by the British Government, we are not independent and therefore not recognized as an individual nation in our own right! Independence will mean we will be individually represented in the EU and the UN! And I agree with you about the olympics and the tennis!
@Cybopath well, while it is possible for Scotland to be an individual member of the EU, since all members of the EU retain their individual independence, it is not possible for Scotland to be an individual member of the UK, since by being ruled by the British Government, Scotland is not independent and therefore not recognised as an individual country! Until we get our independence, we will not be "individual" in the eyes of the world!
I agree with you about the tennis and the Olympics.
This is what I hate about the, It isn't fair. BUT it's England that needs it's own parlament, own minster,to govern it's own domestic affairs and need to represent itself as an individual constitutional country that is part of the UK, this would stop the other three countries being dragged into the void. I am not against a fully independant Scotland but I feel this middle ground is more likley to happen and would suit more people. My passport should say Scotland, UK, EU.
The UK is the 4 countries together, Great Britain is only Scotland, England and Wales. Britain is incorectly referred to as a country by people inside and outside the UK which is what the post was about, check the video I was responding to for why.
Thats right Cybopath we don't need the Unied Kingdom now that the European Union is around. The only reason Great Britian was created was to keep the peace between Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. But like I said we don't need that now we've got the European Union so we need Scottish, English, Welsh independence and Northern Ireland should become a part the Republic Of Ireland.
its only americans who think england and britain are the same. i need to correct you though wales is in fact a principality not a country this is the reason for scotland being allowed a parliament while wales has an assembly.
scotland enters the world cup as a country? since when ;)
Really it's only American's?. Check the video I'm replying to it's an English kid who can't tell the difference. The reason American's get that picture is because of the idea the UK media/government sells. Also Wales is a country & principality just like Scotland is a country and Kingdom. That's why it's the United Kingdom and not just The Kingdom.
@Cybopath ok i just so the video and im sorry about that moron.
wales is as much a country as monaco this is because while scotland entered the union willingly the welsh were conquered by the english earlier.
what scots and welsh fail to understand is that without england you will not get more money than you put in as you currently do. scotland has a population of 5 million, wales 3 million and england 52 million. how could such small countries prosper?
The same way any other small nation would prosper. The percentages wouldnt change, it would be 5 Million people looking after 5 million people. We'd have our natural resources and begin Direct trading with other countries. Judging an Independant Scotland by what it has today is like judging a Teenager who lives at home with his parents future salary.
@Cybopath the world has changed and even the UK as a whole wont be able to remain at the top of the world stage in a few years the politicians recognise this and this is the main reason for our continued membership in the EU. its quite clear that in a few years we'll both belong to a state of the EU anyway so it is pointless. the only thing keeping the UK at the top other than the military is London without it we wouldnt be half as prosperous as we are now
believe what ever you want to belive. London makes most of it's in 'credit' mostly numbers on a computer screen. But I won't doubt that London where all our Tax money and revenue is channeled has the most money. Secondly in this video I spoke of a Fair UK as aposed to an Independant Scotland. England has lots of money but it also has lots of people to spread it out amongst.
@Cybopath yes but the north sea is a fairly small and diminishing asset. the oil and gas reserves supoosedly in the falklands are larger as the north seas oil is being used so quickly. anyway im not saying your spungers, you just have no reason to complain. i would be sad to see scotland go (it wont happen) but mainly because of tradition and the fact i myself am half scottish
I've got plenty reason to complain. Every time my country is treated or refered to as a region. Which happens every single day in the UK media. All I ask is to be equel, what's wrong with that? Equal to France, USA or any other countries and never just a part of the UK (England). Have a Scot speak for my country in the UN, EU, NATO etc. Like every other country.
@Cybopath the prime minister is scottish and you have alex salmond. the UK is the equal of france and the USA, becoming indepedant would mean england would remain equal to france and the US in terms of world power, while scotland would be akin to croatia or finland. do you really think an independant scotland would have any power to make a difference in the UN, EU or NATO? while england would retain most of its power scotland would suddenly disappear in the eyes of most people of the world
The PM is Scottish, that statement may not be valid much longer. But you've just more or less suggested that England is more important than Scotland and that it's equel to the USA. Now I believe all countries are equel no matter what their population is. I don't want my country to rule the world or be more important. USA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NZ & IRE all left the UK and did just fine.
As I said I am not interested in leaving the UK just re-instating the notion that it is a union of 4 countries and not a country. That England should have it's own parlament and not have the UK parlament double as one. We share an island, we have common interests yes and for that we should have a union and we share a continent with a whole bunch of other countries and should have another union, I just don't see why Scotland can't be individually part of both.
@Cybopath i agree that england needs it own parliament im sure even the scottish must see it as unfair that while wales and scotland have people working exclusively for them we dont despite having a much larger population. are you saying you would like our union to be devolved so that it is similar to the current status of the EU- being close to a country but not quite
If I was English I'd be upset that Scottish & Welsh MP's voted on English matters. Yes I'd prefer a British Union as a smaller E.U. E.G same currency, joint military operations, joint interests but seperate sovereignty, laws etc. Be part of both unions or perhaps even cut all ties with the E.U
Soon after coming to the English throne King Jame I in 1603 he was already King James VI of Scotland. He sometime described himself as King of Great Britain, which meant of England (and Wales) plus Scotland. He wanted to stress that he was king of the larger area that had been called Britannia in Latin. The status of this term was formally recognized when England (and Wales) and Scotland united in 1707. (Greater Britain meaning Larger part, not Great as in "We are great!")
Understand what a joke is yes? Still the fact that there is no Britannia Minor any more makes the 'Great' irrelevant. You know that Scotland and Ireland where known as Scotia Great and Scotia Minor but we dropped that.
I agree with you, England, Wales and Scotland should all be differnt countries because England is so much differnt from Scotland the fact that England has the Priemer League and Scotland has the SPL makes them differnt countries.
Wow that was a speedy response. Yea half Scots fly over the border to university even though it's the Edinburgh and St. Andrews Unis that are chock full of English students? How obscure is this argument going to get? 'Yea complain about English politics when your at home watching Guy Richie movies.'
@Cybopath Actually I replied two days ago, it's down there. Your free University places costs the UK tax payer 2billion a pounds a year, the majority of which is payed by English income. As such, there's no reason for other UK students to enjoy cheaper rates in Scotland. It's not a non-argument at all, you actually enjoy better public services yet you still moan about trivia like people mixing up Britain and England in the media.
One it's not free as SAAS pays for it and two, do I care? I mean you think I want unfair politics? God the sterotype of Scots being tight must be getting out of hand. Wo don't worry Scotland you can't have a voice in the EU, UN, NATO weather or not your troops go into wars or nukes are stored on your soil but you can go to an English Uni for FREE, as if, so that's allright. All you've done is made another reason that English people should want Scots out the union.
@Cybopath SAAS, payed for by British taxes. I'm going to stop arguing now, as you're starting to ignore what I say. I didn't say ignored from politics, I said ignored from the media. Do you think that if you lived an hour South you'd instantly get to vote on these things? No one in the UK did, and lots of people including me don't agree with a lot of the choices made.
@Cybopath My point was that Scotland receives so much, such as free fees, advanced cancer medication, better retirement facilities and Wales receives free prescriptions. English MPs can't vote on the vast majority of your independent issues, but Scottish MPs have the right to vote on English matters. You enjoy better public services, more independence than any other country in the UK yet you moan because you're ocasionaly overlooked in the national media. Seems so fucking trivial. I'm done.
Seems your plucking alot of that out of some fictional world you've created but again what in there would make YOU want us to stay part of the union? I think it's un fare that England doesn't have its own Parlament, I said this in my video. If they did Scottish MPs wouldnt vote on English matters, the England = UK syndrome would stop. Lastly it's my country how and what I think should be done with it really isn't any of your business.
@Cybopath If your view isn't my business, then don't share it. It's like shouting your opinion from a bell tower, when asked about it you reply 'none of your business'. Oh and it's not fictional, taxes go to the UK and the SNP forces pro-Scottish policy and Labour has its hands tied as they rely on the Scottish vote. Hopefully that'll change soon but that's the way it is. If your view is representative of your country, then please by all means leave, let's see how long you'll last.
Typical scare tactics. What's so different about Scotland from any other small European nation that we'd be the first one to implode? Do you resent Ireland for leaving the UK? What exactly is your problem with either a proper Union where all four countries represent themselves equally or an independant Scotland? All you have listed is reasons you hate Scotland being part of the union.
@Cybopath Firstly, 1 in 3 jobs in Scotland are in the public sector, meaning they're payed for by taxes - the UK. Secondly Scotland's growth is expected to be 0.8% compared to 8.5% across the rest of the UK. Scotland's entire GDP is 82billion, that's all they produce each year, yet spend 2billion of tax money on University fees alone. Represent yourselves, do as you wish, seriously. I don't hate Scotland being a part of the Union, I just hate trivial moaning without a cold grip of the facts.
Still you list facts that have nothing to do with anything. If a nation of 5 million pays taxes for a nation of 5 million nothing is goign to change. If said nation also has access to all it's natural resorces and is able to generate business in it's own country it will then still create a stable economy.
@Cybopath Clearly, nothing to do with anything, just yaknow, the economy.. but that's rarely important. If one third of all your jobs are payed for by taxes, and one third gives back less than 50% of the money in taxes, it'll fade out pretty soon. But I'm sure Scotland would survive, it just wouldn't do as well as it does under the Union, hence why every attempt at Scottish independence by nationalist parties have been pretty much instantly defeated. That'll be all from me.
By once again spouting fiction. Really the unionist parties have all stood in the way of the SNP, really that makes no sense does it? Now Scotland was unfarley put into a union back in a time when only land owners could vote, which caused instant riots.
Also the first vote of Scottish home rule was in the 19th centuary and the vote was in favour but never passed, then again in the 1970's but not enough of a margon. So that's over 100 years before we even got a parlament and the Scottish people have never been allowed to vote on independance. Some democracy. But again your praying on the idea I'm for a full blown Republic of Scotland and not Scotland the country thats in a union with countries but not a union that acts like a country.
@Cybopath There have been numerous attempts to pass a Home Rule Bill, but have been shut down by opposition parties within Scotland, the last one was 1997 I believe? And it's predicted the same will happen in 2010. I'm not praying on the idea that you want a full separation from the Union, just that having a more independent Scottish government, that would vote on matters that strongly involve UK taxes, yet deny the UK involvement, is practically criminal.
For Scotland to have more independence, England would too. This is what I've said. If that where the case all the things that bug you wouldn't happen. England should have a parlament and a first minister, only English voters and politions should be in control of English affairs. That's fair. The UK should be the existance of 4 equal nations not one nation running 3 franchises.
Scotland doesn't have alot of things it would need to generate a higher economy as part of the UK and its unfair to judge us on our position now. It's like judging a teenagers ability to look after himself while he still lives with his parents.
BUT still this has deviated from the point and yes the point is identity which really is one of the most important things in the world, wars have been fought over less. All I ask for is a little respect, a guy representing Scotland in the UN, a Scottish olympic team basicly the things almost every other nation on earth is entitled too. You see it as trivial well that's easy for you to say England is (84% of) the UK, you're the major shareholder so why would you see a problem?
@Cybopath Scotland deserves those things, I don't see why it doesn't have them. I'm not opposed to those kind of things, honestly. My point is Scotland wants more than what the rest of the Union is asking for, and it's unfair. If Scotland is given the benefits of an independent country, yet still receives the financial benefit of being part of the Union we're just throwing our money away. We might as well give the cash to Korea, at least they seem to like us a little better.
@Cybopath Personally I'd rather have England ignored completely in the media than the £10,000 of University fees. But hey, I suppose my priorities are all messed up.
So Scotland should be independent so that Britain is no longer associated with the global stereotype of being purely English? Pure genius, solve a problem based on other people's stupidity by making our/your country even more obscure.
Oh so the only thing Scotland's got going for it is the fact it's next to England. Don't know on how many levels I find that offensive. Yea I suppose when Ireland broke off from the UK they plunged themselves into obscurity.
@Cybopath Iraq is in a war with America yet the majority of their population can't point it out on a Globe. I'm not saying it has nothing going for it, but if you want to separate from Britain purely because other stupid people stereotype Britain as England then it wont change anything. I'm half Scottish myself and have lots of family up there so it's not as if I dislike the country, I just think that leaving the Union simply to remove a global stereotype is a little short sighted.
I don't recal even saying anything about leaving the union based on that. I was complainging about people who can't tell the difference between England, Britain and the U.K. Which the guy in the video I was replying to did. Also I suggested alternatives for a fair union as aposed to a straight split.
@Cybopath "your location says North West England, or is that what you call Scotland these days? Precisly the reason I'm fed up of the union" I think that's evidence enough that your motivations for 'fairer' union are based on identity. He could have been referring to 'we' as Britain, which seems to accept Scotland as an equal part of the Union more than you do.
Hey maybe he meant we as in Europeans or maybe even Earthlings. Sure perhaps Britian does because the indifference comes from your side of the border. It's not my fault most of England has no sense of Identity.
@Cybopath Maybe his comment on the fact that we're not actually that different was more important than the fact he used the term 'we'. Hahaha 'most of England has no sense of idenity', brilliant. I'll remember that when I sit in my local English pub, drinking a traditional English ale, eating my English Sunday Roast and watching Cricket, Rugby or Football. I personally use the term British to define myself because I think it's Great and I think it represents something better than just England.
Turn on the TV and see if your media distinguishes between Britian and England. I actually heard a sports commentator say 'This years been a great year for Britian, we got into the world cup'. The media mostly treats us like another English region. Yes I got things in common with the English, also have things in common with Australians & Irish, what difference does that make?
So the UK has had brilliant leaders recently. What kind of medication do you use?
And it was just a recent example. You won't notice the indifference being English but here try and use your imagination. Imagine your TV was filled with 90% Scottish peopel and when ever your country popped up on the news or a tv programme it was refered to as something different.
@Cybopath I was referring to the sports commentators as our leaders sarcastically, as you seem to hold them in high regard concerning the views of a nation. My meds are fine.
@Cybopath I was referring to the sports commentators as our leaders sarcastically, as you seem to hold them in high regard concerning the views of a nation. My meds are fine.
Imagine everytime an Englishman did something good or important they became british but everytime he did somthing bad or stupid he was English. Imagine the International news went into detail about things in Edinburgh, Glasgow & Aberdeen but when it came to England the broadly glanced over it.
@Cybopath Scotland has it's own BBC channel and offers regional news, which focus on more local matters. Unfortunately the media works on figures and must appeal to the majority (which is England), as for the national news they report on the biggest stories which is usually England because of London (not England, London). Over in the States do you think people in Wisconsin hit up YouTube with views of independence and change because they're missed out on television? No, they don't.
The problem is England rarley sees itself as England therefore the other 3 countires are sucked into the void of Britishness. This gives us the inferority complex to constatly remind people who we are. I really don't see the problem of countries representing themselves equally and being in control of their own futures.
@Cybopath You can represent yourselves as you do, call yourself Scottish not British, speak with your accent or language, operate your own tourist industry and your own fucking currency you cried till you received. As for your own future? Please, I'd love to see you manage yourselves, with your whole country generating a total GDP of 82billion compared to London alone that makes over 450billion.
Well if we're that much of a drain you'll be glad to see us go. Now come the insults. But from what reality I don't know, could have swore the Bank of Scotland was the first in Europe to print it's own bank notes.
@Cybopath I wouldn't want to see Scotland go, I'm just so sick of arguments for Scottish independence / more independence based on a romantic notion of identity rather than economic facts. Yes there's naivety concerning the use of Britain as another term for England but that makes them and idiot not Scotland less of a country. But to be perfectly honest I prefer English indifference to the disdain you respond with. I'll leave it there.
So why so sad to see Scotland go? Clearly it's not for the economic reasons. If your economy is to be belived England's would improve. Maybe you like the identity of britain?
@Cybopath Yes I think it adds culture and rich heritage to Britain, it's also a beautiful country and has benefits such as land and a large number of people. I don't dislike Scotland or the people, just the growing number who want more independence, yet all the benefits of the Union. I said something earlier about Wisconsin but I think it posted two of the same messages about sports commentators instead - brilliant.
So pretty much 'I like your country I don't like those rebellious ones who live there want to stop us running them. Yes like those damn Paddys, Yanks, Ozzies who left our Empire, the cheek.'
@Cybopath If the majority want to leave, then fine, it'll be a shame but fine. However what Scotland is currently doing is attempting to gain more independence but wants to be entitled to the same, if not more of the benefits. Like it recently used large amounts of UK tax money to set up coastal oil (or gas?) stations, yet put the money and produce into Scotland not back into the UK.
@Cybopath North Sea Oil is based in Aberdeen, any revenue London receives from the company is through legitimate taxes, which pay for the NHS and other services that Scotland depends on. If all companies taxes went back to help the communities specific to that area, then London would be a fucking Metropolis. Fortunately that's not how it works.
But clearly your upset by the fact we don't just accept Bank of England notes like good little subjects. (Wait who was it who started the Bank of England again?) But we don't have our own currency, the currency is Pounds Sterling which is for the whole UK. Oh you thought that was English. Well their you go another example of how you can't tell the damn difference.
But the statements on Britain being arogant because of it being called "Great" Britain are devalued yes,because it had nothing to do with arogance or boasting of the Empire. =)
And common now Americans not arogant????? There the most arogant people on the face of the earth.
Ummm the "Great" wasnt put into "Great Britain" to boast about the British Empire, The "Great" was put into "Great Britain" by the Romans to distinguish it from " Little Brittany" is all.
So the "Great" was put into "Great Britain" looooong before the British Empire. =)
As foriegn as a Canadian feels about Americans. The English have different customs, a different culture, different dialects, different laws and different education systems (Theres nothong wrong with being different though). Also The U.K isn't surrounded by water as Northern Ireland shares a land border with the Republic of Ireland.
Which are about as great as someone from Vancouver and someone from Detriot. And why are you saying 'us' your location says North West England, or is that what you call Scotland these days? Precisly the reason I'm fed up of the union.
You sound as if you have a Scottish accent my friend?
Naturally, there are no countries that are better then others. All countries have their Flaws and they have their attributes. I think my country, (The United States of America) Is a great country, and I don't think that all countries that arn't the USA are shit. I Love my country and I'm not a Nationalist.
I do not think my Country is better then your's Nor do I hate your's. I just think my country is great. I'm proud to be an american
That's great. That's the true meaning of a patriot, someone who loves their country, not someone who hates all others. It's like you love your family that doesn't mean you have to hate everyone else's lol. I am and always will be a proud Scot.
People that say English people aren't British are wrong. English people are British. Wales isn't seen as a Country therefore Britain is England (along with Wales..) Scottish people aren't British, Northern Irish people aren't British the only people that can call themselves British are English people along with Welsh people.
Wow.. England (and Wales) is Britian. England, Wales and Scotland is Great Britain. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island is funnily enough England, Wales, Scotland and Wales.
Britannia was the name given to England and Wales. In 1707 (?) with the Act of Union Great Britain was the name given to the two INDEPENDENT Countries - England (and Wales) and Scotland. In 1801 (?) The United Kingdom was formed and the two INDEPENDENT Countries became CONSTITUTE countries!!!
your Scottish, i deserve my identity like you have, i am an English man through and through and am sick on not having an identity, then someone who walks through our boarder is higher priority and is instantly names "British"!, also, America are arrogant we can say "Great" because we had the most powerful empire in the world!
Germany and Austria? The Act of Union came before Germany and Austria as we know it today even existed. Scotland and England came together through agreement and Scottish people have had the option of independence through democracy for over 300 years. Enough said.
Humanrightsforall1 7 months ago
@Humanrightsforall1 There is going to be a vote soon for a devlotion soon
MrScotland262 6 months ago
FUCK the US laddies. Ireland and Scotland is the place to be. I live here in Ireland, lived here all my life and always will
SlyFox70100 8 months ago
There should be a British Football team the English, Scottish and Welsh teams such to be honest.
Theaverable 8 months ago
@Theaverable
Oh So adding Ryan Giggs and Kenny Miller to the England squad is going to make them 10 times better?
Norway,Sweden, Finland should join to make a Scandinavian team then?
Cybopath 8 months ago
@NewYorker1901
USA!!!!USA!!!!USA!!!!
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KFC!!!!McDonalds!!!!ChildhoodObesity!!!!
I dont hate you, I jst read the news
nicholson313 9 months ago
@jacksite2007
Who hates the english? Murray? Why because he said he didn't support england in the world cup? Would a sunderland supporter support newcastle in the champions league?
Cybopath 9 months ago
@NewYorker1901
I see.
Cybopath 10 months ago
Annoys the hell out of me! See when Andy Murray loses, he's Scotland.. but when he wins he's British. He's flipping Scottish!
ThePeachish 10 months ago 2
@ThePeachish
I don't think Britain should ever compete in any international sports, it adds to the split personality confusion. France are France in the olympics, Fifa World Cup, RBS 6 nations etc etc, why we pick and choose which tournaments we enter as a country or sovereign state is bizzarre.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@ThePeachish You can keep him. :P
mitsumi76 10 months ago
@mitsumi76 What's England going to do for tennis without him? Phone up Tim Henman? Don't think so.
ThePeachish 10 months ago
@ThePeachish Who cares, it's only Tennis. :)
mitsumi76 9 months ago
@ThePeachish .... And he has admitted himself, he hates the English. Doesn't deserve playing for Britain
jacksite2007 10 months ago
Scotland should be a little less racist and a little more 'making yourselves known' worldwide then! I know you're tight like the Welsh but England manages it!!
jacksite2007 10 months ago
@jacksite2007
Sorry if Scotlands racist what the hell is the country that has the majority of the BNP and EDL??? The problem is more the vacume effect caused by the England/Britian one and the same culture the rest of the world sees. No offense to the Welsh though but half the world thinks they're an English county, I worry some day Scotshire will fall there too till we're a distant memory like Cornwall.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@Cybopath I dont really care about BNP supporters because at the end of the day, they dont hate one another across Scotland, England and England's principality- Wales. The Scottish and Welsh benefit being combined with England so much, ie. tuition fees free in scotland, wales get discounted uni fees next year- the welsh government with the english tax payers contribution will pay off the difference for wales (and free prescriptions). People do know what scotland is, just not much wales.
jacksite2007 10 months ago
@jacksite2007
Of course you don't all I'm saying is you can't dare call Scots racist when there are plenty of racists in England, as any country I suppose. Scotlands Free tution fees and prescriptions are thanks to the SNP not the Union. I have no problem with England, or it's population who have as little control over their MPs as I have, but I'd rather Scotland be an equel commonwealth partner than a subdued country-state.
Cybopath 10 months ago
@jacksite2007 You said 'a little less racist" but we're friendly people.. and you just made a racist remark to Welsh people. I could tell you though that one through..
ThePeachish 10 months ago
@ThePeachish The welsh are awful- absolutely hate the english. You may be the nice minority, like some I know, but there are some ive seen who as soon as they found that I was english on Facebook, went mad at me and one now wont even look me in the eye or say a word to me. This is the main reason why I hate wales. North wales especially- bunch of inbreds half the ppl in Wrexham are!!
jacksite2007 10 months ago
@jacksite2007 It's the same in every country, every country has racists, nothing that we can do about it.
ThePeachish 9 months ago
The Brackets Are Especially For Americans....Dumb Yanks
BloggerFlogger 10 months ago
That's why Scotland has not done anything. Scots very bitter. :P
mitsumi76 1 year ago
@mitsumi76
Explain this incredibly vague yet supposedly well thought out statement. Especially the second sentence which actually makes no sense structurally. From someone who claims to be at least 34 I'd expect more.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Can't be bothered, Scotland is a waste of space anyway. :P
mitsumi76 1 year ago
@mitsumi76
Oh right sheer xenophobic racisim from the apparent good willed neighbour and you wonder why so many want to seperate the union? 'Can't be bothered', I believe more like incapable due to feeble-mindedness.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath LoL ok.
mitsumi76 1 year ago
@mitsumi76 Ye tell me that next time you turn on the light or go to watch your television. Thanks.
ArjayBlogs 11 months ago
@mitsumi76 You're a flipping waste of space. That's racisim, and there is no point in using racisim. So do everyone a favour and piss off.
ThePeachish 10 months ago
@ThePeachish Lol, and who are you?
mitsumi76 10 months ago
@mitsumi76 I happen to be a pissed off Scottish girl because of some English people that are so narrow minded and that are racist.
ThePeachish 9 months ago
@ThePeachish Ok, lol.
mitsumi76 9 months ago
Scotland, England and Wales are 3 very different peoples socially and are proud of it. there is a degree of healthy rivalry amongst us, but when the land is threatened by overseas powers expect to get a very British cock up your arse!
metaphorically.
godkingRoss 1 year ago
what clan are you
45643145 1 year ago
@45643145
Serious? I'd be sept of MacTavish or MacWard.
Cybopath 1 year ago
something just struck me; are Scots living in England foreigners and vice versa? i'm an englishman and i don't see it that way.
godkingRoss 1 year ago
@godkingRoss
Even when you have to ask them to repeat themselves 5 times?
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath That happens with English accents as well though
sixstringsod 1 year ago
@Cybopath That happens with English accents as well though,
I can't understand a fucking thing most people from Manchester are saying
sixstringsod 1 year ago
@sixstringsod
There is a difference between accents and dialects but what I should have said is how would he react to an Irishman. Of coarse countries closer are going to be more familiar(Especielly after centuaries of Alglization). How foriegn does an Australian seem compared to a Frenchman?
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath There is but the difference is subtle, fair enough though I get you. Although personally I would feel more comfortable immersed in Australian culture than French culture, assuming you don't mean aborigines (can't spell it)
sixstringsod 1 year ago
@sixstringsod
What I mean is France is a fellow European country but Australia is far more similar culturaly. So no matter how similar two cultures may be doesn't mean they are not foriegn, now I see alot of similarities between Scotland and our British neighbours but I see as many with our Celtic cousins. I'm sure Austrians see more in common with Germany than they do France, doesn't mean they and Germany are one nation.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I suppose it depends on whether you prefer to think in terms of being English or being British, which is what this guy is talking about I suppose, because obviously Britain emcompasses Scotland Wales and Northern Ireland. I prefer to think of Britain rather than England because frankly I hate nationalism lol, but yes I do see the point your making and it is true in essence.
sixstringsod 1 year ago
@sixstringsod
Then think of yourself as European then.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@sixstringsod aye, tha's reight theer old cocker
godkingRoss 1 year ago
@Cybopath haha yeah, i'm not too bad at understanding Scots' accent these days having worked with a few over the years. plus with my Yorkshire dialect, i don't think i can criticize how Scots speak english, lol
godkingRoss 1 year ago
A sane Scotsman. 1 in 5 million.
millard27 1 year ago
I understand your point but england is 84% population of the u.k which is why outsiders that don't know much about the country may see it as england, i understand it must be anoying for example if an american say's "British accent is so posh and stupid" when actually it's a northan england accent.
EagleDeal 1 year ago
ENGLAND IS NOT A COUNTRY YOU FUCKWIT!
GanEdenAustralia 1 year ago
@GanEdenAustralia
England is a country, over 1,000 years old. I sure hope you didn't pay for your education.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I don't deny that but it ceased when the union with Scotland began. Simple as that.
GanEdenAustralia 1 year ago
@GanEdenAustralia
Pretty much all ready covered this. The seperate states and kingdoms of Scotland and England merged into the Kingdom of Great Britian but Scotland, England and Wales remained constituting countries hence the reason they had seperate laws, banks and education systems. The UK is a union of 4 countries that make up a soverign state, not 4 states that make up a country which is often the case.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I am from London. I moved to the U.S 15 years ago. true the Yanks can't distinguish between England, Scotland, Wales and reland.
To them we are states within the same country, Just as N.Y , Florida or California.
They, like Britain have one house of parliment.(The White House) They also have state run goverments.This works well for the U.S. No state in the U.S would say that they where better then another. You guys need to stop being so proud and work together
theperson11100 1 year ago
@theperson11100
For US model to work England would have to change not Scotland. 1. England would have to have it's own 1st Minister, 2. London (As the UK capital like Washington D.C) would have to become a seperate district from the English parlament.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Well how about rather than just moaning about how people always view Britain as England you work to promote Scotland as a part of the UK? If you didn't fight it so much, then maybe people *would* think of Scotland as British. I know I do.
BritishUnion1707 1 year ago
@BritishUnion1707
Probably because I don't want people to think of Scotland as British, I think of Scotland as Scottish. Your name really says it all I'm not concerned of what a close minded unionist thinks about my country.
Cybopath 1 year ago
great video and well said
gothicgman 1 year ago
Oh sorry
MriceTv 1 year ago
@MriceTv
Hey it's ok it's an example of how Scotland can get dragged down by what the UK does. Not that I believe English people are in favour of what the government does half the time either.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Why did then Britain put Iceland on the list of terrorist, no offense but still what is the reason to scare 300.000 people because they were afraid that they would be blown up to pieces.
MriceTv 1 year ago
@MriceTv
I dunno the UK has a lot of morons in power? If you watched the video you'd see I am not praising the UK at all.
Cybopath 1 year ago
The one that kills me is when an English person makes reference to their 'English' passport. I take great delight in verbally destroying them over it by pointing out the fact that the word 'England' does not appear anywhere on it (unless they wrote it in) and that England is merely a 'province' of the UK anyway.
It's the largest province, but a province nonetheless. :-)
dauntless111 1 year ago
This makes me sad. I am 100% Scottish and perfectly fine with the UK Union. I am British.
But your attitude seems to be of seperating Scotland from Britain (UK or GB) as opposed to educating those who misunderstand it. That includes many English people.
Just because the image overseas of 'Britain' is of a double decker bus driving through London (which I don't dispute) that doesn't mean that Scotland should therefore keep Britain at arms length.
England is not even a real country anywyay.
dauntless111 1 year ago
@dauntless111
Why shouldn't Scotland be like France, Ireland or any other country in the world and not be tied to 3 other countries all the time. The UK is a Soverign State not a country. Scotland, England, Wales and N.Ireland are all Constatuting Countries whithin that state. I have no problem with these countries having a union but acting like a country which in term supresses Scots & Welsh identities does.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Personally I think we can have the best of both worlds. Just because a country is not part of a Union does not guaruntee a culture free from influence from other countries. Look at Canada, we could argue that they are heavily influenced by the USA. I think Scotland culture and country is strong, I do not fear suppression. If Scotland or England became independent tomorrow, I don't think that alone would boost identity any more than it is now. :-)
dauntless111 1 year ago
@dauntless111
Again I did not propose an Independant Scotland, free from the UK. Only that the UK stop being treated so often as a country and only as a union of countries and where a country must represent itself say as part of the U.N, E.U or superficially sporting events such as the olympics etc Scotland should represent itself.
Canada is a good example of what Scotland should be, part of the British Commonwealth with the Queen as the head of state yet in charge of it's own affairs.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Your absolutely correct in what you've said in this video. People regularly incorrectly refer to "great britain" as being a country, when in actual fact, as you said in the video, it is the name of the island on which their are 3 nations, Scotland, wales and england. I would say that the solution to this is for Scotland to become a normal, independent country, then we can be fully recognized by and join the nations of the world! Then the world will call us by who we are, Scotland, not Britain!
weareScottish 1 year ago
@weareScottish
Yes I see no reason why Scotland can't be individually part of the UK and E.U. Also don't see why we can't represent ourselves in all sporting events including the Olympics and Tennis.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath well, while it is possible for Scotland to be individually an independent member of the EU, something I of course want to happen, it is not possible to be a "individually" a part of the UK, simply because while we remain ruled by the British Government, we are not independent and therefore not recognized as an individual nation in our own right! Independence will mean we will be individually represented in the EU and the UN! And I agree with you about the olympics and the tennis!
weareScottish 1 year ago
@Cybopath well, while it is possible for Scotland to be an individual member of the EU, since all members of the EU retain their individual independence, it is not possible for Scotland to be an individual member of the UK, since by being ruled by the British Government, Scotland is not independent and therefore not recognised as an individual country! Until we get our independence, we will not be "individual" in the eyes of the world!
I agree with you about the tennis and the Olympics.
weareScottish 1 year ago
@weareScottish
This is what I hate about the, It isn't fair. BUT it's England that needs it's own parlament, own minster,to govern it's own domestic affairs and need to represent itself as an individual constitutional country that is part of the UK, this would stop the other three countries being dragged into the void. I am not against a fully independant Scotland but I feel this middle ground is more likley to happen and would suit more people. My passport should say Scotland, UK, EU.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@weareScottish
Great Britain is one of many shortened names for 'The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland' Which IS a country!
England, Wales, Scotland and NI are not Sovereign countries in their own right.
Only the UK as a whole, is recognised by the United Nations.
Only the UK as a whole can issue passports
Only the UK as a whole has 100% territorial integrity.
Britain, UK, GB. Is a country, and a fucking awesome one at that. Scotland of course being the best part.
dauntless111 1 year ago
@Gusdude1
The UK is the 4 countries together, Great Britain is only Scotland, England and Wales. Britain is incorectly referred to as a country by people inside and outside the UK which is what the post was about, check the video I was responding to for why.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Thats right Cybopath we don't need the Unied Kingdom now that the European Union is around. The only reason Great Britian was created was to keep the peace between Scotland, England, Wales and Northern Ireland. But like I said we don't need that now we've got the European Union so we need Scottish, English, Welsh independence and Northern Ireland should become a part the Republic Of Ireland.
ForeverUnited09 1 year ago
its only americans who think england and britain are the same. i need to correct you though wales is in fact a principality not a country this is the reason for scotland being allowed a parliament while wales has an assembly.
scotland enters the world cup as a country? since when ;)
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
Really it's only American's?. Check the video I'm replying to it's an English kid who can't tell the difference. The reason American's get that picture is because of the idea the UK media/government sells. Also Wales is a country & principality just like Scotland is a country and Kingdom. That's why it's the United Kingdom and not just The Kingdom.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath ok i just so the video and im sorry about that moron.
wales is as much a country as monaco this is because while scotland entered the union willingly the welsh were conquered by the english earlier.
what scots and welsh fail to understand is that without england you will not get more money than you put in as you currently do. scotland has a population of 5 million, wales 3 million and england 52 million. how could such small countries prosper?
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
The same way any other small nation would prosper. The percentages wouldnt change, it would be 5 Million people looking after 5 million people. We'd have our natural resources and begin Direct trading with other countries. Judging an Independant Scotland by what it has today is like judging a Teenager who lives at home with his parents future salary.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath the world has changed and even the UK as a whole wont be able to remain at the top of the world stage in a few years the politicians recognise this and this is the main reason for our continued membership in the EU. its quite clear that in a few years we'll both belong to a state of the EU anyway so it is pointless. the only thing keeping the UK at the top other than the military is London without it we wouldnt be half as prosperous as we are now
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
believe what ever you want to belive. London makes most of it's in 'credit' mostly numbers on a computer screen. But I won't doubt that London where all our Tax money and revenue is channeled has the most money. Secondly in this video I spoke of a Fair UK as aposed to an Independant Scotland. England has lots of money but it also has lots of people to spread it out amongst.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath yes but scotland takes an unfair amount in return for the low amount it gives back to the country in tax in comparison to most of england
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
And England (UK) benifits alot from the North Sea. But if we're such a bunch of spoungers you shouldn't be sad to see us go.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath yes but the north sea is a fairly small and diminishing asset. the oil and gas reserves supoosedly in the falklands are larger as the north seas oil is being used so quickly. anyway im not saying your spungers, you just have no reason to complain. i would be sad to see scotland go (it wont happen) but mainly because of tradition and the fact i myself am half scottish
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
I've got plenty reason to complain. Every time my country is treated or refered to as a region. Which happens every single day in the UK media. All I ask is to be equel, what's wrong with that? Equal to France, USA or any other countries and never just a part of the UK (England). Have a Scot speak for my country in the UN, EU, NATO etc. Like every other country.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath the prime minister is scottish and you have alex salmond. the UK is the equal of france and the USA, becoming indepedant would mean england would remain equal to france and the US in terms of world power, while scotland would be akin to croatia or finland. do you really think an independant scotland would have any power to make a difference in the UN, EU or NATO? while england would retain most of its power scotland would suddenly disappear in the eyes of most people of the world
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
The PM is Scottish, that statement may not be valid much longer. But you've just more or less suggested that England is more important than Scotland and that it's equel to the USA. Now I believe all countries are equel no matter what their population is. I don't want my country to rule the world or be more important. USA, AUSTRALIA, CANADA, NZ & IRE all left the UK and did just fine.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
As I said I am not interested in leaving the UK just re-instating the notion that it is a union of 4 countries and not a country. That England should have it's own parlament and not have the UK parlament double as one. We share an island, we have common interests yes and for that we should have a union and we share a continent with a whole bunch of other countries and should have another union, I just don't see why Scotland can't be individually part of both.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath i agree that england needs it own parliament im sure even the scottish must see it as unfair that while wales and scotland have people working exclusively for them we dont despite having a much larger population. are you saying you would like our union to be devolved so that it is similar to the current status of the EU- being close to a country but not quite
elmateeeo 1 year ago
@elmateeeo
If I was English I'd be upset that Scottish & Welsh MP's voted on English matters. Yes I'd prefer a British Union as a smaller E.U. E.G same currency, joint military operations, joint interests but seperate sovereignty, laws etc. Be part of both unions or perhaps even cut all ties with the E.U
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath ok i agree with all that except i dont think our government will exit the EU they seem more intent on allowing them to make us a state
elmateeeo 1 year ago
YOUR ACCENT!!!!!!! <3
88Sabrine88 1 year ago
@88Sabrine88
A positive comment. LOL. thanks.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Soon after coming to the English throne King Jame I in 1603 he was already King James VI of Scotland. He sometime described himself as King of Great Britain, which meant of England (and Wales) plus Scotland. He wanted to stress that he was king of the larger area that had been called Britannia in Latin. The status of this term was formally recognized when England (and Wales) and Scotland united in 1707. (Greater Britain meaning Larger part, not Great as in "We are great!")
MrAverageUK 1 year ago
@MrAverageUK
Understand what a joke is yes? Still the fact that there is no Britannia Minor any more makes the 'Great' irrelevant. You know that Scotland and Ireland where known as Scotia Great and Scotia Minor but we dropped that.
Cybopath 1 year ago
I agree with you, England, Wales and Scotland should all be differnt countries because England is so much differnt from Scotland the fact that England has the Priemer League and Scotland has the SPL makes them differnt countries.
ForeverUnited09 1 year ago
@ForeverUnited09
Yes exactly, there's no British League. Although I don't see many Scottish clubs lasting long in that lol.
Cybopath 1 year ago
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alexbtw 1 year ago
Complain about English indifference - enjoy free University fees whilst English Universities cut places and raise fees to survive.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Wow that was a speedy response. Yea half Scots fly over the border to university even though it's the Edinburgh and St. Andrews Unis that are chock full of English students? How obscure is this argument going to get? 'Yea complain about English politics when your at home watching Guy Richie movies.'
I.E non-argument.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Actually I replied two days ago, it's down there. Your free University places costs the UK tax payer 2billion a pounds a year, the majority of which is payed by English income. As such, there's no reason for other UK students to enjoy cheaper rates in Scotland. It's not a non-argument at all, you actually enjoy better public services yet you still moan about trivia like people mixing up Britain and England in the media.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
One it's not free as SAAS pays for it and two, do I care? I mean you think I want unfair politics? God the sterotype of Scots being tight must be getting out of hand. Wo don't worry Scotland you can't have a voice in the EU, UN, NATO weather or not your troops go into wars or nukes are stored on your soil but you can go to an English Uni for FREE, as if, so that's allright. All you've done is made another reason that English people should want Scots out the union.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath SAAS, payed for by British taxes. I'm going to stop arguing now, as you're starting to ignore what I say. I didn't say ignored from politics, I said ignored from the media. Do you think that if you lived an hour South you'd instantly get to vote on these things? No one in the UK did, and lots of people including me don't agree with a lot of the choices made.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@Cybopath My point was that Scotland receives so much, such as free fees, advanced cancer medication, better retirement facilities and Wales receives free prescriptions. English MPs can't vote on the vast majority of your independent issues, but Scottish MPs have the right to vote on English matters. You enjoy better public services, more independence than any other country in the UK yet you moan because you're ocasionaly overlooked in the national media. Seems so fucking trivial. I'm done.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Seems your plucking alot of that out of some fictional world you've created but again what in there would make YOU want us to stay part of the union? I think it's un fare that England doesn't have its own Parlament, I said this in my video. If they did Scottish MPs wouldnt vote on English matters, the England = UK syndrome would stop. Lastly it's my country how and what I think should be done with it really isn't any of your business.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath If your view isn't my business, then don't share it. It's like shouting your opinion from a bell tower, when asked about it you reply 'none of your business'. Oh and it's not fictional, taxes go to the UK and the SNP forces pro-Scottish policy and Labour has its hands tied as they rely on the Scottish vote. Hopefully that'll change soon but that's the way it is. If your view is representative of your country, then please by all means leave, let's see how long you'll last.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Typical scare tactics. What's so different about Scotland from any other small European nation that we'd be the first one to implode? Do you resent Ireland for leaving the UK? What exactly is your problem with either a proper Union where all four countries represent themselves equally or an independant Scotland? All you have listed is reasons you hate Scotland being part of the union.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Firstly, 1 in 3 jobs in Scotland are in the public sector, meaning they're payed for by taxes - the UK. Secondly Scotland's growth is expected to be 0.8% compared to 8.5% across the rest of the UK. Scotland's entire GDP is 82billion, that's all they produce each year, yet spend 2billion of tax money on University fees alone. Represent yourselves, do as you wish, seriously. I don't hate Scotland being a part of the Union, I just hate trivial moaning without a cold grip of the facts.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Still you list facts that have nothing to do with anything. If a nation of 5 million pays taxes for a nation of 5 million nothing is goign to change. If said nation also has access to all it's natural resorces and is able to generate business in it's own country it will then still create a stable economy.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Clearly, nothing to do with anything, just yaknow, the economy.. but that's rarely important. If one third of all your jobs are payed for by taxes, and one third gives back less than 50% of the money in taxes, it'll fade out pretty soon. But I'm sure Scotland would survive, it just wouldn't do as well as it does under the Union, hence why every attempt at Scottish independence by nationalist parties have been pretty much instantly defeated. That'll be all from me.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
By once again spouting fiction. Really the unionist parties have all stood in the way of the SNP, really that makes no sense does it? Now Scotland was unfarley put into a union back in a time when only land owners could vote, which caused instant riots.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Also the first vote of Scottish home rule was in the 19th centuary and the vote was in favour but never passed, then again in the 1970's but not enough of a margon. So that's over 100 years before we even got a parlament and the Scottish people have never been allowed to vote on independance. Some democracy. But again your praying on the idea I'm for a full blown Republic of Scotland and not Scotland the country thats in a union with countries but not a union that acts like a country.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath There have been numerous attempts to pass a Home Rule Bill, but have been shut down by opposition parties within Scotland, the last one was 1997 I believe? And it's predicted the same will happen in 2010. I'm not praying on the idea that you want a full separation from the Union, just that having a more independent Scottish government, that would vote on matters that strongly involve UK taxes, yet deny the UK involvement, is practically criminal.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
For Scotland to have more independence, England would too. This is what I've said. If that where the case all the things that bug you wouldn't happen. England should have a parlament and a first minister, only English voters and politions should be in control of English affairs. That's fair. The UK should be the existance of 4 equal nations not one nation running 3 franchises.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I've just sent you a private message, save clogging up my email and your comment box with comments.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Scotland doesn't have alot of things it would need to generate a higher economy as part of the UK and its unfair to judge us on our position now. It's like judging a teenagers ability to look after himself while he still lives with his parents.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@alexbtw
BUT still this has deviated from the point and yes the point is identity which really is one of the most important things in the world, wars have been fought over less. All I ask for is a little respect, a guy representing Scotland in the UN, a Scottish olympic team basicly the things almost every other nation on earth is entitled too. You see it as trivial well that's easy for you to say England is (84% of) the UK, you're the major shareholder so why would you see a problem?
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Scotland deserves those things, I don't see why it doesn't have them. I'm not opposed to those kind of things, honestly. My point is Scotland wants more than what the rest of the Union is asking for, and it's unfair. If Scotland is given the benefits of an independent country, yet still receives the financial benefit of being part of the Union we're just throwing our money away. We might as well give the cash to Korea, at least they seem to like us a little better.
alexbtw 1 year ago
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@Cybopath Personally I'd rather have England ignored completely in the media than the £10,000 of University fees. But hey, I suppose my priorities are all messed up.
alexbtw 1 year ago
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alexbtw 1 year ago
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zhaster 1 year ago
So Scotland should be independent so that Britain is no longer associated with the global stereotype of being purely English? Pure genius, solve a problem based on other people's stupidity by making our/your country even more obscure.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Oh so the only thing Scotland's got going for it is the fact it's next to England. Don't know on how many levels I find that offensive. Yea I suppose when Ireland broke off from the UK they plunged themselves into obscurity.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Iraq is in a war with America yet the majority of their population can't point it out on a Globe. I'm not saying it has nothing going for it, but if you want to separate from Britain purely because other stupid people stereotype Britain as England then it wont change anything. I'm half Scottish myself and have lots of family up there so it's not as if I dislike the country, I just think that leaving the Union simply to remove a global stereotype is a little short sighted.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
I don't recal even saying anything about leaving the union based on that. I was complainging about people who can't tell the difference between England, Britain and the U.K. Which the guy in the video I was replying to did. Also I suggested alternatives for a fair union as aposed to a straight split.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Oh I see, I thought your ideas on the Union were linked to your complaints in the first part of the video, my apologies.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@Cybopath "your location says North West England, or is that what you call Scotland these days? Precisly the reason I'm fed up of the union" I think that's evidence enough that your motivations for 'fairer' union are based on identity. He could have been referring to 'we' as Britain, which seems to accept Scotland as an equal part of the Union more than you do.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Hey maybe he meant we as in Europeans or maybe even Earthlings. Sure perhaps Britian does because the indifference comes from your side of the border. It's not my fault most of England has no sense of Identity.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Maybe his comment on the fact that we're not actually that different was more important than the fact he used the term 'we'. Hahaha 'most of England has no sense of idenity', brilliant. I'll remember that when I sit in my local English pub, drinking a traditional English ale, eating my English Sunday Roast and watching Cricket, Rugby or Football. I personally use the term British to define myself because I think it's Great and I think it represents something better than just England.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Turn on the TV and see if your media distinguishes between Britian and England. I actually heard a sports commentator say 'This years been a great year for Britian, we got into the world cup'. The media mostly treats us like another English region. Yes I got things in common with the English, also have things in common with Australians & Irish, what difference does that make?
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Clearly, the view of a nation is defined by our brilliant leaders and thinkers - the sports commentators.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
So the UK has had brilliant leaders recently. What kind of medication do you use?
And it was just a recent example. You won't notice the indifference being English but here try and use your imagination. Imagine your TV was filled with 90% Scottish peopel and when ever your country popped up on the news or a tv programme it was refered to as something different.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I was referring to the sports commentators as our leaders sarcastically, as you seem to hold them in high regard concerning the views of a nation. My meds are fine.
alexbtw 1 year ago
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@Cybopath I was referring to the sports commentators as our leaders sarcastically, as you seem to hold them in high regard concerning the views of a nation. My meds are fine.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Imagine everytime an Englishman did something good or important they became british but everytime he did somthing bad or stupid he was English. Imagine the International news went into detail about things in Edinburgh, Glasgow & Aberdeen but when it came to England the broadly glanced over it.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Scotland has it's own BBC channel and offers regional news, which focus on more local matters. Unfortunately the media works on figures and must appeal to the majority (which is England), as for the national news they report on the biggest stories which is usually England because of London (not England, London). Over in the States do you think people in Wisconsin hit up YouTube with views of independence and change because they're missed out on television? No, they don't.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
The problem is England rarley sees itself as England therefore the other 3 countires are sucked into the void of Britishness. This gives us the inferority complex to constatly remind people who we are. I really don't see the problem of countries representing themselves equally and being in control of their own futures.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath You can represent yourselves as you do, call yourself Scottish not British, speak with your accent or language, operate your own tourist industry and your own fucking currency you cried till you received. As for your own future? Please, I'd love to see you manage yourselves, with your whole country generating a total GDP of 82billion compared to London alone that makes over 450billion.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Well if we're that much of a drain you'll be glad to see us go. Now come the insults. But from what reality I don't know, could have swore the Bank of Scotland was the first in Europe to print it's own bank notes.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath I wouldn't want to see Scotland go, I'm just so sick of arguments for Scottish independence / more independence based on a romantic notion of identity rather than economic facts. Yes there's naivety concerning the use of Britain as another term for England but that makes them and idiot not Scotland less of a country. But to be perfectly honest I prefer English indifference to the disdain you respond with. I'll leave it there.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
So why so sad to see Scotland go? Clearly it's not for the economic reasons. If your economy is to be belived England's would improve. Maybe you like the identity of britain?
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath Yes I think it adds culture and rich heritage to Britain, it's also a beautiful country and has benefits such as land and a large number of people. I don't dislike Scotland or the people, just the growing number who want more independence, yet all the benefits of the Union. I said something earlier about Wisconsin but I think it posted two of the same messages about sports commentators instead - brilliant.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
So pretty much 'I like your country I don't like those rebellious ones who live there want to stop us running them. Yes like those damn Paddys, Yanks, Ozzies who left our Empire, the cheek.'
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath If the majority want to leave, then fine, it'll be a shame but fine. However what Scotland is currently doing is attempting to gain more independence but wants to be entitled to the same, if not more of the benefits. Like it recently used large amounts of UK tax money to set up coastal oil (or gas?) stations, yet put the money and produce into Scotland not back into the UK.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
Make up for the past 40 years of our oil's reveniew not getting past London.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath North Sea Oil is based in Aberdeen, any revenue London receives from the company is through legitimate taxes, which pay for the NHS and other services that Scotland depends on. If all companies taxes went back to help the communities specific to that area, then London would be a fucking Metropolis. Fortunately that's not how it works.
alexbtw 1 year ago
@alexbtw
But clearly your upset by the fact we don't just accept Bank of England notes like good little subjects. (Wait who was it who started the Bank of England again?) But we don't have our own currency, the currency is Pounds Sterling which is for the whole UK. Oh you thought that was English. Well their you go another example of how you can't tell the damn difference.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Oh and btw who are u talking too? lol
When your talking your not looking at the camera ( at us) doing it like u got an interviewer there! lol
athleticguyUK 1 year ago
@athleticguyUK
Didn't know I was gonna be judged on broadcast standards. You got me man, oh my you got me. Guess all my statements are all totally devalued now...
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath lol it was just a funny observation!
But the statements on Britain being arogant because of it being called "Great" Britain are devalued yes,because it had nothing to do with arogance or boasting of the Empire. =)
And common now Americans not arogant????? There the most arogant people on the face of the earth.
athleticguyUK 1 year ago
it was called "Great" Britain to distinguish it from Brittany, in North West France.
Geographers may use "Britain" to describe just the mainland and "Great Britain" to include the offshore islands.
In both cases, the word "great" conveys the idea of larger size rather than an acclamation of how good it is.
athleticguyUK 1 year ago
Ummm the "Great" wasnt put into "Great Britain" to boast about the British Empire, The "Great" was put into "Great Britain" by the Romans to distinguish it from " Little Brittany" is all.
So the "Great" was put into "Great Britain" looooong before the British Empire. =)
athleticguyUK 1 year ago
lol mate dont try and explain this to americans their all stupid basterds
9lash 1 year ago
@9lash
Unfortunatly it's people within the UK that project the misconception. Mostly people in the UK media and English politions.
Cybopath 1 year ago
Water forms our border and im happy being part of an island nation.. do you really feel foreign compared to people down south?
wank0r 1 year ago
As foriegn as a Canadian feels about Americans. The English have different customs, a different culture, different dialects, different laws and different education systems (Theres nothong wrong with being different though). Also The U.K isn't surrounded by water as Northern Ireland shares a land border with the Republic of Ireland.
Cybopath 1 year ago
@Cybopath the differences between us and the typical english person is about as great as the differences between a fifer and someone from skye...
wank0r 1 year ago
Which are about as great as someone from Vancouver and someone from Detriot. And why are you saying 'us' your location says North West England, or is that what you call Scotland these days? Precisly the reason I'm fed up of the union.
Cybopath 1 year ago
You sound as if you have a Scottish accent my friend?
Naturally, there are no countries that are better then others. All countries have their Flaws and they have their attributes. I think my country, (The United States of America) Is a great country, and I don't think that all countries that arn't the USA are shit. I Love my country and I'm not a Nationalist.
I do not think my Country is better then your's Nor do I hate your's. I just think my country is great. I'm proud to be an american
Bred2Protect 1 year ago
@Bred2Protect
That's great. That's the true meaning of a patriot, someone who loves their country, not someone who hates all others. It's like you love your family that doesn't mean you have to hate everyone else's lol. I am and always will be a proud Scot.
Cybopath 1 year ago
People that say English people aren't British are wrong. English people are British. Wales isn't seen as a Country therefore Britain is England (along with Wales..) Scottish people aren't British, Northern Irish people aren't British the only people that can call themselves British are English people along with Welsh people.
"Wales is a Country - It has it's own flag"
So does Cornwall.
Wazzzzzuuuuppp 1 year ago
Wow.. England (and Wales) is Britian. England, Wales and Scotland is Great Britain. The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Island is funnily enough England, Wales, Scotland and Wales.
Britannia was the name given to England and Wales. In 1707 (?) with the Act of Union Great Britain was the name given to the two INDEPENDENT Countries - England (and Wales) and Scotland. In 1801 (?) The United Kingdom was formed and the two INDEPENDENT Countries became CONSTITUTE countries!!!
Wazzzzzuuuuppp 1 year ago
oh Britannia Britannia your your so great....
cordudeswfc 2 years ago
@cordudeswfc
I'm sure the mythical Latin Goddess would be quite great.
Cybopath 2 years ago
your Scottish, i deserve my identity like you have, i am an English man through and through and am sick on not having an identity, then someone who walks through our boarder is higher priority and is instantly names "British"!, also, America are arrogant we can say "Great" because we had the most powerful empire in the world!
enochpowellwazRIGHT 2 years ago 4