Metal Gear Solid - Final Codec Call (GW)

[SpaceBirdHatStore]

"... but is it ture?"



[aptspire]

0:53 f***ing SOPA

[WNxCatcher]

Whoa.

[FunkMasterFlex3]

A video game has never been more relavent in our society.

[therealbigboss12345]

After playing the rest of the MGS games numerous times and reading most of the content in the MGS database this... actually makes complete sense.

[boondag]

i thought i was going mental when it told me to turn my ps2 off. i did.

[DrSanto91]

This Codec conversation was kind of creepy when i was 10 and playing at night. This whole conversation pretty much broke the 4th wall.

[NemDiggers]

So... thought provoking, ahaha.



[tosspot86]

i remember this part of the game campbell freaked me out when his voice went all weird and his face turned skelatal

[SolidLan]

This game breaks the 4th wall. It actually talks about the problems we face and some of what colonel and Rose are saying is true. Love this game!

[AkaiAzul]

Colonel keeps complaining about Raiden's concept of "self," but keeps referring to him as "you" and "being." Isn't that alone what constitutes "self?" One's individual existence?

[pokenutter]

@AkaiAzul Or is it possible that one's sense of self is linked directly to self-awareness? To merely exist does not constitute a sense of self.

[GUNDAM0ARCHE]

Does anyone know what song plays during the conversation?

[ElfenBudd]

Obvious subtility 

[ElfenBudd]

Obvious subtility to the Illuminati here

[bandbr2110]

whhaaaaaaaaa......does this explain y raiden became a bad apple cyborg ninja in MGS4 cuz he wanted to chose?

[bandbr2110]

whhaaaaaaaaa......does this explain y raiden became a bad ass cyborg ninja in MGS4 cuz he wanted to chose?

[Hellblazer311]

This ending was completely retarded. Japanese try too hard to be philosophical and trippy and this is what you get.

Here they try to suggest that Raiden has never met Campbell and he's actually some alien robot or whatever, but Snake has clearly met him several times and he's an army Colonel. This ending is fucking stupid as hell.

[MidNiteR32]

@Hellblazer311

You obviously lack the mental capacity to understand the ending because Col. Campbell, the real one, was never in the game but an AI embedded into GW and JFK's system. You would know that if you actually paid attention or played the game for that matter.

As for Snake. Snake had no idea who Raiden was talking to, if you paid attention, Raiden always referred to Campbell as "Colonel" never Campbell in the game. Same goes with Otacon. Again you did not pay attention to the game.

[EnsignN7]

@MidNiteR32 Manner please

[Hellblazer311]

@MidNiteR32 Campbell is in MGS4 you dumb fuck. There's scenes with him where he is clearly there as a person. Play MGS4 before you open your mouth fucking retard.

[EnsignN7]

@Hellblazer311 Manner please

[DXSnakeEater]

I love how Raiden is like, what the freak are you talking about?

[jm42fun]

This guy is awesome he told me how to beat a part in mgs1 vr missions

[Symdabeast]

4:49 They made Raiden look like such an idiot. lolol

[TheOtaku143110]

this seems to make some sense in the real world. im not an atheist or anything like that

[YoungMoney4280]

First time i herd this I was creeped the fuck out.

[siemka321]

Umm, please explain this.

[ethereas3]

This kind of makes me look at life differently now... in a bad way, and in a good way.

[Ten0692]

2:58

SO FUCKEN TRUE!!!

[stlrider2005]

Real talk, Kojima must've read Behold A Pale Horse at one point since this is too on point about a lot of shit

[sedgambit]

Creepy.....

[Hobogoku1]

You gotta admire Hideo Kojima for coming up with this.

[tobs001]

@Hobogoku1 yeah how many people make social commentary and analysis through a stealth action video game.... o_O

[Hobogoku1]

@tobs001 Yeah. How many people go through the comments on YouTube and say stupid shit not worth mentioning?

[tobs001]

@Hobogoku1 youre getting snide with me for agreeing with you?

[Hobogoku1]

@tobs001 For that, I apologize. It seemed as if you were mocking the concept and ingenuity of Kojima's work. Another look made me realize I'm wrong. Regretfully mistaken on my part.

[tobs001]

@Hobogoku1 No worries. :D

[eoinluvsgrunge]

So, "Campbell" turns out to be an AI. What I don get is, is the "Rose" in these Codec conversatiosn an AI too?. I'd assume so tbh

[DavidPennable]

nbc today show will talk about wikileaks

[MaximusDisplay]

"Just look at the strange JUXTAPOSITIONS of morality around you."

[DavidPennable]

@MaximusDisplay INFOWARRIORS UNITED!

[Arayziel]

I've been looking back on MGS and I see how MGS2 had a pretty damn good plot, just too bad everything after it was horribly dumbed down.

[cron78]

@Arayziel

That is true. I don't see how it can be hard to follow the story, they essentially repeat the message twice in future games and have flashbacks.

[KizzaKhaz]

Woo, man, I remember playing this when I was stoned. It changed my life.

[snackpeelskin]

WTF?

I never played mgs2, i just played the first one in the psx. Can someone explain to me? is Roy Cambell an alien?

[EnsignN7]

@snackpeelskin Roy Campbell is real. This is a robot impersonating a commander named "Campbell"

[colman44]

@snackpeelskin Not in MGS1

[MidNiteR32]

@snackpeelskin

No, the real Campbell never appeared in MGS2, Raiden was talking to GW and JFK.

[kbizzle999]

i don't care who talks shit

Raiden is a whinny bitch, but he's an awesome whinny bitch

MGS2 kicked ass

[MrPs2masters]

@kbizzle999 MGS2 is really a good game, but MGS1 is great

[drmeithos]

that creeped me out when i first watched this

[shazamkid]

this part reminds me of illuminati,partially.

[DWILBUR94]

this shit used 2 sacy the hell outta me when it first came out lol

[AStarfox14]

True. Aspies follow they own path

[AStarfox14]

Y couldn't they had this for Black & Latino people? Racist bastards,make Caucasians & other races not to mention Aspies feel so low

[punkymunky23]

Now, see, THIS is the kind of thing we need to show to every snooty 90-year-old asshole who thinks that every game is a button-mashing, mind-numbing killfest. Games like these can shape a person.

[jewunit7]

Controlling our every waking thought is my space, twitter, facebook and all of those other social networking websites. Everything the Colonel is saying is true. The government is had been watching us and controlling us. People are too blind to realize that. Even though this is simply just a video game, it really is a eye opener. Keep this in thought and do a little research and the truth will UNFOLD!

[Rhino1004]

@jewunit7 Social networking sites don't control people; those sorts of things are the exact things the Patriots want to filter out, so that the unnecessary information contained in them don't leak into our history. I think you got the message wrong; our species is in a kind of limbo, stuck in purgatory thanks to the Internet keeping all useless information unfiltered and growing, stopping our progress in evolution by keeping us involved with those unneeded sites and preventing us from moving.

[DavidPennable]

@Rhino1004 soetero nwo globalist loving poison water drinker, hey wake up, InfowarsDOTcom



[EnsignN7]

@DavidPennable All news sources are biased.

[DavidPennable]

@DavidPennable true, Alex Jones is biased against people trying to put your ass on a train, and send you to a forced labor camp to work off the U.S. Debt, however it won't stop there and you know it, just check out his material, it's all about a constitutional live and let live, " but I'll protect myself " America, this guy is the real deal, also, he says often to check his work, and he's not affraid to stand corrected..

[Rhino1004]

@DavidPennable I'm not into politics, so I don't give a shit about what you're trying to sell me.

[sneakkingsarge]

Best cutscene/codec call in MGS history. Next to "I NEED SCISSORS" call form Colonel, of course :D

[ArmanCortez1]

man..this is extremely deep..and so many things said in this conversation are very true....makes you question everything youve learned up to this point...i know this is just a game, but damn this is unreal.

[SolomonJonesIsBack]

A bit touchy are we? Obviously you do, then.

[minibikes4life]

your face is touchy.

[decmac09]

0: 20 "were not what you would call human" no shit your a taking coputer server

[tycobbjung]

jesus christ, i'm surprised solidus didn't die of old age waiting for raiden's codec call to end. if i were solidus i'd be like, "bitch get off the phone!" *chops head off with sword*

[decmac09]

hhahah lol id be like"alright gw you can shut the fuck up now

[arbiter98]

Thats hillarious man!

[ShardedFire]

3:06 yea i didnt get that how is helping endangered species instead of helping those in poverty a paradox? is it because we are helping another species, that are not human?? there are too many people on the planet already its better to help the few species that help the eco system than help the overpopulated, overdominated species that destroy the ecosystem but its arguable ps "billions spent on new weapons in order to humanly murder other humans" lolz its true though i blame politicians

[EnsignN7]

You can take it how you want, but programs to help endangered species do cost a lot of money that could be used to educate poverty. Take Africa for example. They reproduce at an alarming rate, but there are never any funds to reprogram how the current attempt to solve the problem are. It's just letting the problems runaway in an out of control state. Helping those in poverty also means to teach guys to keep it in their pants and stop bring kids into the world.

[hak525]

selection for societal sanity. wow that's some serious social shit they are talking about

[AdamTheHedgehog]

Just about every Codec call on this part creeps me out, not to mention utterly confuse me..."

[indian0121]

Jesus....can somebody tell me just exactly what is this conversation about? I tried to listen to it about 10 times.

[Mgsartiste]

They are explaining the AI and GW of the whole patriots existence---if you played mgs4 they are basically explainingthe being of Major Zero's AI that he create

[atheistmission]

From what I understand, this scene is about exposing society for what it really is. Basically, it tells us to challenge what is around us rather than accepting it immediately without question.

Also, it tells us not to be afraid of getting our feelings hurt by taking responsibility for our actions instead of constructing convenient barriers of political correctness.

[EnsignN7]

In a nutshell:

- Information normally is filtered like genes

- People are afraid to show their real faces.

- Given a mask (annonymous), people will show you who they really are.

- Technology advancements hinder the ability to limit "stupid information" making society degrade

- GW wants to stop society from degrading from "stupid information"

[cambone729]

thiis part freaked the fuck out of me. colonel bugged me so much with calling.

[Firemarok]

woah..disturbing yet thought provoking..well youll never see something like this in any other games i guess..

someone must been reaal pissed the day they made that code call in the game lol

[Yeknom0913]

4:08 the hollow men reference

[darkchris66]

Such an awesome scene. So freakin deep. More games should be this deep.

[CHIPSTERO7]

No, the AI Raiden talks with is confirmed in the document of MGS2 as being JFK (retconned as JD in MGS4). GW became incapacitated after Snake uploaded the digital FOXDIE virus, and JFK subsequently takes its place.

[GODSPAWN148]

Its Ironic Though, Colonel Is Basically Speakin As Dah Illuminati, And They Used JFK As A Name But JFK Was Against The Illuminati, lol

[R8erNation636]

Man, I bet Kojima was smoking pot when he was writing this part.

[Virgil077]

You know as cool as this is and was when i first saw this i just couldnt help but wonder... what in hell was solidus doing the entire time?

[EnsignN7]

Solidus wanted a man's battlle. He was waiting for him to stop talking to his codec.

[nateman742]

I hate Raiden.

"What!?"

" What do you mean!?"

"What if he's using some other, odorless substance?"

Fuck you, Raiden.

[theratoathians]

he saved sunny how saved the world

he saves snake loads of times

he has a cool sun

you suck

[LittleJohnJack]

What a mature comment Raiden sacrificed the most.

[daxtonator]

That's not actually GW that's speaking, its JD, it even says at the start when raiden says the AI was destroyed "Only GW..." so it obviously has to be another one

[davefan12]

Its an ai created by GW.....Im pretty sure.

[DJSawBlade]

actually it IS GW, its jus destroyed at the moment (it was clustered and shattered by the worm)

[Joofee01]

But the patriots are already dead. All 20. About 100 years ago

[daxtonator]

They weren't the patriots, they're the Philosophers mentioned in MGS3

[sinistaspawn]

BASED ON TRUE FACT!!!!!

[Pokeria1]

You know, it's funny. They are saying that proof of the flawed, immature species of humanity always seems to seek out blame, even upon themselves, make a new "truth", to make themselves feel better. And yet, aren't the Patriots doing the same thing here? I mean, by saying "We're not the ones smothering the world. You are.", they're in essence doing the same thing they disdained Humanity's liberty for. In essence, they seem to be hypocritical.

[ShYGuY2o4]

Everyone's a hypocrite. Hypocrisy is forever.

Those that deny that they are a hypocrite, just proved that they, are a hypocrite.

Nice arguement btw Pokeria1. I like your way of thinkin'. Thumbs up.

[EnsignN7]

But the Patriots themselves are non-existent. Their agents that roam the world maybe...the the core members are non-existent.

[RyuGuitarFreak]

not really, have you played MGS3 and 4?

[ldjx1000]

@Pokeria1 That's exactly what I thought when he said that.

[dave55811]

I remember when I first saw this scene; it was disturbing. e_e

[shadowworld86]

the gene's about memory on here is a contradiction from Assassin's creed that says we DO have memories in our genes

[nairobi26]

"We are formless. We are the very discipline & morality that Americans invoke so often. How can anyone hope to elinate us? As long as this nation exists, so will we".

[RatchetExpert]

Yeah it's "ture" XD

[Tesshu2288]

WTF is a easter egg or something??!!!!!

[BeastOfMetal1989]

No. It's sent during the 45 minute cutscene between the Metal Gear Ray fight and Solidus fight in MGS2. The call itself is about 12 minutes of that 45 minute timeframe where you're just sitting there waiting to fight Solidus.

[Tesshu2288]

Is that a message that the sons of liberty have sent 2 raiden???????

[BeastOfMetal1989]

Uh, no. The message was sent by the Patriots.

[sushiboots]

no. The real rose only appears at the end when they see each other in person. The rose that talked to you during the Big Shell was part the S3 experiment.

[WillBNunn]

After beating MGS4, I thought "no wonder an AI explains this." Really makes sense.

[shazamkid]

i'm gonna say it's a yes, right?

[shazamkid]

is this the gw that you destroy on mgs4?

[EnsignN7]

Can't really answer this without spoiling half of that game.

[Shogunlord87]

now that i know about the patriots and everything....this is more creepy now

[roadkillbtbt]

so what is really GW, I still don't get it. I beat the game twice but still never seen this !!

[EnsignN7]

You have to play MGS4 to find out.

[EnsignN7]

Colonel Campbell and Rosemary are real people in the game.

That colonel, however, is not Campbell. The image of Campbell was used as the avatar and name of the GW AI as that is what most of the players would recognize a colonel as. As for Rosemary, that was just mind fucking for Raiden.

[RedenAndCo]

FYI.. Rose IS real, this is GW talking in the appearance of the colonel and rose. It's also the only time in any MGS that the patriots ever talk to someone, n reveal their plan

[Mkamalid]

well to play later and realize they were actually human !!!

[gungwat]

dang dis part is fuking scary. no lol

[Jiddzonviddz]

the scariest thing ever "turn the console of now" :(

[jtlee891]

JD's end was really disappointing. After all the successful master plans, leaving Raiden completely unable to argue with them, talk of immortality, they come to such an anticlimactic end with no spoken words in MGS4.

[roler42]

well they're just a computer program and all what they did in the war economy was the S3 plan being applied to the world

[kyl3ru13s]

lol, i thought rose was real, cos at the end, when u complete game, it shows u rose and jack 2gether...

[Katmarou]

haha tht's funny i me- ......... this video is not true none of the facts portrayed are true this is nothing but a dream there is something you must do, don't you have something better to do! TURN THE GAME CONSOLE OFF NOW!

[kyl3ru13s]

lol, im gonna be honest, this fucking freaked me out, playing it at 1am lol

[alphaunit5]

what are they saying

[wiamad]

Essentially that humans build up their societies for destruction the moment they are thought up because humans are irrational beings and need something to guide them from killing themselves, hence the supposed "Leaders" or the Patriots that evolved and developed from the AI's trying to stop that through giving new meaning to what people take as their own convenient truths because even people don't know how to live their lives.

[alphaunit5]

its sacd but true

[towelie893]

I love the filter they put on the colonel's voice. It's awesome.

[EnsignN7]

Play MGS4 to understand what they are.

[alphaunit5]

i need a ps3 first

[hansen99x]

So basically, the colonel wants to control human behavior, huh? I'm new to the MGS series. So he and the chick are planning some secret terrorist

plan?

[ultimaweapon2000]

no they are AIs talking through the patriots

[shadowolf960]

not with a bang but a wimper thats the poet eloit and that phrase is use in halo 3

[SomeMightEvenDie]

T.S. Eliot ...

[troy2000me]

This makes a LOT more sense after playing MGS4

[sushiboots]

How so? MGS4 didn't make any direct reference to this call at all. In fact, this is the only time in the whole series that you actually talk with the AI.

[troy2000me]

Sure it does, if you were unclear of exactly what entity you were talking to in MGS2, MGS4 explains the backbone of the patriots computer system, GW included.

[BeastOfMetal1989]

Actually, MGS4 does have a sequence where the Codec call is referenced. During the second cutscene where Drebin appears (in the Power Station zone of act 2), there is a flashback sequence which contains shots of the Codec screen during this call, and you hear AI Campbell saying "We are formless. We are the very discipline and morality that Americans invoke so often."

[Sam8D]

Man, this part is scary. lol

[alphaunit5]

the government controls us

[Bountyhunter1714]

there still there ..... they are formless ... there not human ...... THERE ALIENS AAAAGGHHHHH

jk im not an idiot

[farmorethan]

look at colonels face when he says where not human in the begining

[kingtom]

The colonel is freaking me out!

[dunnace]

How do you get this call?

[troy2000me]

Um... beat the game

[roler42]

right after you defeat the metal gear rays and after arsenal crashes in manhattan when solidus says "the sons of liberty!"

[goodstrudle]

God kojima is so smart.

this call changed me i swear

[mgsorigin]

ye for how long, we have security cameras everywhere for our saftey or 2 spy on us, how long b4 the goverment starts controling our lives controlling wat we see etc

[gohanRULEZ]

It's not true,it's BULLSHIT!

You do what you want to do!

[EnsignN7]

You may do what you want to do...but your predictability gives us some measures of control. As long as you exist in a world in which you interact with other people, your choices will never be based purely on what you want.

[doomfrek]

confusing

[lechugosoxo]

that´s a very very cool and true logic