Good video Shelly. And I was cheering on election night when this petulant child got his ass handed to him. But I remain amazed when I see YouTubers who go to incredible lengths to defend Grayson, and particularly his Taliban Dan ad. But you did a nice job of laying it out for those of us who are rational.
@letom82 So it's ok for a democrat to do it because some republicans do it? Not that if you do it you are an ass hat no matter what side you are on, only a childish playground justification? Sounds logical.
Fox News and Republicans use Taliban Dan style smear tactics against liberals all the time. However, I think Alan Grayson was pretty silly to think he could get away with this. Smears and distortions are only for Republicans silly rabbit lol!
@mef75baby Really? I'd love to hear some (or even one) example of a complete and utter lie MADE UP by Fox News or a "Republican." If your "source" is Media Matters don't waste my time, ok? Thanks.
@shellymic hmmm well let's see....shall we start with Obama attended a Madrasah
or how about Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. Conservatives were essentially implying that Obama wanted to teach 5 year olds about safe sex, and the reproductive cycle. How about Palin's charge about death panels or the Swift boat veterans for truth fiasco? How about Fox complete take down of ACORN running storries that were false? How about Shirley Sherrod The list could go on and on.
1. Madrassa: from the HuffPo: "...Insight Magazine had first spread the rumors." This was repeated on Fox by Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends), as well as former Sen. Bob Kerrey (endorsed Hillary Clinton), & Hillary, herself. ...continued...
Also from HuffPo:
"In a technical sense, Kerrey's words were not entirely untrue. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the term madrassa means a "Muslim school, college...continued...
@shellymic I hate the 500 word limit too With that said, let's be objective here. While it is true that a Madrasah is defined technically as meaning "school" in Islam. It is usually associated with being a school that teaches fundamental or an "extreme" version of Islam. This is how Insight, FOX and the rest of the right-wing media presented it so that Obama would look dangerous to voters. Your justification echos of Grayson's justification for his smear Dan Webster. There is no defense!
2. Sex ed to kindergartners: Um, looks like you can "blame" Alan Keyes for this one. As well as, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, FactCheck, Politifact, Sun Times, etc. And yes, Fox News as well, for reporting this story. It did not originate on Fox. It originated in 2004 with Alan Keyes in a Senatorial run against BO.
McCain resurfaced this claim during his campaign, also.
3. Death Panels: On this one, it pretty much depends on your political ideology whether or not you agree w/ it. I do. Anyone that pays attn KNOWS that "death panels" WILL be a result of the God-awful HC law. There will NOT be enough $ to pay for EVERYONE's treatment, therefore, "death panels" will result. Older Americans, whose "useful life" has been exhausted, will not receive treatment over a 20 y/o whose whole life is in front of them. You may not "like" this, but it will happen.
4. Swift boat vets: What was untrue about anything they said? (And, I don't remember them being an influence in any other race than in Bush's...am I wrong?)
@mef75baby Nothing about the ACORN story was untrue. The lefty media has been saying that the ENTIRE "pimp" investigation by James O'Keefe was a "lie" AFTER he was convicted 4 the shenanigans in Landrieu's office & he attempted to "punk" a CNN reporter. All of the ACORN pimp vids are on YouTube. You can watch them. There's no way a thinking person can watch them and call them a "lie." It's just not possible. What happened w/ ACORN doesn't become "untrue" because James f'd up after it.
@mef75baby How about Shirley Sherrod? How about Ag Sec Tom Vilsack? HE'S the one that wanted her gone!
As far as Fox News on this story, I can specifically speak for Glenn Beck & no one else (I'm tired of googling...), HE didn't "buy" the story and STOOD UP FOR SHIRLEY while ALL OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS were condemning her. On radio, after 1st hearing the story, he was more "accusatory" than he was later in the day on Fox...the story didn't "smell" right to him & he gave her the benefit of doubt.
I'm a little sad about this. I am a political conservative but recently spoke with Rep. Grayson for nearly an hour on several issues and he seemed likable enough. Later I see videos and things that show another side. Evidently people wear different masks at different times. All we ever see of people is the tip of the iceberg. I wish people could be more cordial on both sides of the aisle.
@DrStevenz My condolences on your having to be around such evil for as long as you were. Grayson is one of the most despicable "people" to have ever inhabited the halls of Congress. He is the lowest of the low. He has no scruples. It was a beautiful moment when I heard that he lost by 18%!!! The only shame about him NOT being in Congress any longer is that he'll be receiving his Congressional pay & benefits for the remainder of his life...that is a tragedy. He is an embarrassment to humanity.
@redriverhautbois LOL You calling me OR Glenn a dumbass is hilarious. I'll bet you put the space in "dumb ass" when the spell-checker underlined it for you, right? Let's just say that is the case, OK? Why, oh why, didn't you re-spell "Mam?" Oh, I see, because your ignorant spell-checker didn't tell you do so. Got it. Just FYI (For Your Information), "Mam" is spelled, "ma'am". There is an apostrophe in it because it is an abbreviation for the word "madame," dumbass.
@shellymic or i actually just decided to separate the words dumb and ass. Its not like this was a heavily weighted decision. I typed it, pressed the post button.
Also yes, glenn beck is a dumbass/dumb ass and it sounds like you are as well.
@redriverhautbois Why do I sound like a dumbass, too? Because I posted facts for you to see? Just like Glenn does? Hmmm? Too much for little crybaby, progressive, whiner to take? Hmmm? Poo witto baby boy/girl...whatever...don't care/can't tell. Facts ALWAYS trip up progressives. Such is life. Have a nice life. I've blocked you. I've been called enough names by you for today. Thanks.
I know! Why don't u go hop into another account & come back & try to post more of your waste-of-time comments?Ha!
@SaudaraLink If it was the theft of a copyright, you would be correct. It was the theft of the the entire idea from Spitzer that makes it plagiarism.
Definition of plagiarism (which is plagiarism in an of itself because I cut & pasted it from a website): a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work
@letom82 Hey Moron. They ARE invited on many DO appear on the shows.
Except the REAL snakes like Grayson who is such a chickenshit that he will ONLY appear on shows that he thinks are friendly. OF course as despicable and as looney as he is, he thought that some people who normally support the lies of the left, actually stood tall on this one.
Grayson really makes me sick to my stomach. Everything about him makes my skin crawl. His voice, his face, but most especially the things he says. He's a comic book villain. I actually feel sorry for the kids that had to play with him in that ad.
@letom82 That was the biggest load of crap I've read in a long time. Every single fucking word you said has not a shred of basis in reality. Just a slew of misplaced, worthless insults that have nothing to do with a damned thing. Tons of Democrats appear on Fox News, hell tons more WORK for Fox News, not like you could be assed to do your fucking research though, right? Grayson refuses to appear on Fox News, and is becoming more hostile to others as well because he doesn't like answering for thi
don't get it. what's wrong with calling out someone with connections to folks involved in the Christian Reconstruction movement? those folks DO hold that women should submit to their husbands, and are for the implementation of an old testament theocracy. "taliban" is just a metaphor. and, hey, a song is a song is a song...
@climate42 Well.......IF that were the case, as this ad implies, it would be GREAT that the douchebag grayson did so (and would also be the FIRST honest thing he did). No! It would be FANTASTIC!!!!!! But, this ad is nothing but a lie.
On September 28, 2003 the St. Petersburg Times reported: “”What he has said I believe to be the truth,” Dan Webster said of Gothard in 1987.
Women are conditioned to be submissive to their husbands, discouraged from using birth control, and prohibited from working outside the home. Gothard-style worldview and lifestyle overburdens women, enslaves the daughters and destroys families.
@shellymic (2) Vyckie Garrison was involved with Webster ally, Bill Gothard’s teachings for 14 years; after following the fundamentalist teachings of the ‘Quiverfull’ movement, Garrison was subjected to mental abuse and told to ignore medical advice not to have more children because her job as a woman was to obey God by submitting to her husband – an act that allegedly afforded her physical and spiritual protection.
@shellymic (3) “Gothard’s teachings stress that safe and proper, ‘godly’ living comes from submission to authority. A woman must submit to any and all whims of her husband, including all types of domestic abuse,” said Garrison. ”Anyone concerned about women’s equality and empowerment should be alarmed by this religious movement.”
@shellymic (4)According to Bill Gothard,a man’s wife“has to realize that God accomplishes his ultimate will through the decisions of the husband, even when the husband is wrong.”Citing I Thess 5:18 (“In every thing give thanks”),Gothard even advises a wife whose husband chastises her to say, “God, thank you for this beating.” Gothard adds to Christ’s words from the cross:“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But you know what you are doing through them to build character in me.”
@shellymic (5) My opinion: Grayson edited Webster's video, but that editing in no way compromised the truth in respect to Webster's beliefs. Webster simply says it is up to the wife to pray on what is in the bible, namely, that she submit to her husband. It was a clever way for him to avoid being perceived as overzealous, while simultaneously affirming his biblical beliefs. Grayson's mistake was overestimating the interpretive sophistication of the general public. Graysons add was true.
@zyfote Gosh, I did miss the approval of your 3rd post...sorry. I did, however, read it.
This was a campaign ad...not a dissection of someone's religious beliefs. You are dissecting and Grayson was lying...and he knows it. As does EVERYONE who knows the whole story as presented in my video. You're reaching.....really far. You're also assuming quite a bit, I think. That's ok. You're allowed. :)
@shellymic (1)Let's set up an analogy. Say the government says all black people must ride on the back of the bus. A white man gets on a bus and sees a black women sitting in the front. He does not "force" her to go to the back, but he does believe that she "should" move to the back, because it is so written. It is the "belief" that Grayson questions, a particular world-view antithetical to equality. Grayson then gives examples of Webster's belief bleeding into his career.
@shellymic Now, if I did a video portrait of this man on the bus, and while showing his face I played an audio loop saying, "you are supposed to go to the back of the bus, you are supposed to go to the back of the bus", even if he did not say it, is the video ultimately true?
@shellymic Great! I agree with you--at this point in my example. Now let's up the ante. If the man in my example held some sort of political office AND was a member of the "White Citizens Council", a racist organization in the 60's that vehemently fought against "equal access to all", and he also espoused his beliefs to local media, that "black people must ride on the back of the bus", would the video editing be a lie? Think about it.
@shellymic Furthermore, if the aforementioned man had said in a speech to the council, "You do what is right under the law and sit in the front of the bus, the law says blacks should sit in the back, but you don't force them to, leave that up to them and the police to follow the law...". If I, in my video portrait, edited it so that he is saying, "blacks should sit in the back...", did I misrepresent the mans beliefs, views? Think about it.
@zyfote Ooooooh. I WANT to agree with the scenario (because what is being done is WRONG). But.......it, portrayed the way you are describing, would STILL be dishonest.
When you have to create a scenario for your argument to "fit in" your "argument" ain't worth a shit. It's STILL dishonest.
I hate that I have to explain this...I, evidently, was bot blessed with the grammatical gifts required to portray my point to MY end.
@shellymic Good, at least you admit to the "feel" of what I'm trying to get across. Your position, then, is shaped by "absolute" adherence, placing more value on honesty vs. dishonesty in any situation (even if the constitution is threatened, as in the example above). Now, a thought experiment: would you be dishonest if that dishonesty could stop "Talibanish" influences from shaping legislation? Would you be dishonest if that dishonesty could stop the holocaust?...etc. Get my drift?
@zyfote We're inching so close here 2 common ground it is a little scary 2 me. LOL
I'm thinking that your "explanation" or maybe "description" is a better word, of the above scenario(s) is akin 2 a torture situation. Is it ok 2 torture 4 the betterment of 100's or 1,000's of people? Is it ever ok? When is it "ok"? Never? Or just sometimes? (This is a very "grey" area...as has been some, not all, but SOME of our conversations.)
I can't tell u how nice it is 2 talk 2 someone who is NICE! Thanks!
@shellymic I might also add, why can't a campaign ad be a dissection of someone's religious beliefs, if those beliefs run contrary to basic ideas, such as equality, and if that person is in a position to legislate?
@shellymic Ah, I see above Beck left out when Webster says that it should be up to the woman to pray on the "submit to me" verses. Interesting. Perhaps Beck left it out because he knows that would show Webster does in fact believe a woman should submit to her man, as it is so written--exactly what Grayson puts forth.
@climate42 I have never heard of a christian reconstruction movement. I've been a baptist for years, know many preachers and lay people, been overseas on missions. Every religious conservative I know is pro 1st amendment. And the left love to throw that particular verse woman submit to husbands, but don't seem to understand that is only half the doctrine. The idea of the whole doctrine is that Yes the man leads the family, but sacrifices himself for the family. He starves, so she can eat
republicans always use misleading ads to win and now a dem does it....so of course its ok....im all for entertaining ads...however its up TO U...to educate urself on these canidates and not rely on tv commercials....dems and repubs work for the same bosses anyways
@Qborn81 Can you provide an example of ONE of the misleading ads that you are speaking of? Since there's so many who think there are so many ads from republicans like this ad that have been released in the past......surely, they are available on YouTube. Provide ONE example (out of the, seemingly, thousands...that MUST be available) that is as blatantly awful as this tripe. Dare you. (Boo!)
@unelmitchell How exactly is it the truth to take what someone says, edit it down to a fragment of the sentence, and then claim the exact opposite of what they said was what they meant?
@jassy345 I'm "on hard times"...it's a way of life 4 me...I guess. I don't want a THING to do with the "progressive movement". I'd like everyone to have a fair shot & those who have succeeded to be able to reap the rewards of THEIR hard work. I don't need or WANT a part of their pie....which is ALL the progressive mvmnt is about. STEALING from those who have worked hard their whole lives and TAKING what is THEIRS. It belongs to them & I don't want ANY of their pie. I'll make my own thank you.
I see too many of those bafoons in govt, in all levels, from local districts all the way to house, congress even some at the white house and on both sides
its just sad really
however the unbelievable contradictions that I hear out of some of the TP members is the worst of all. small govt....NOT... less taxes....NOT...
but I guess we will see if they manage not to hang themselves before elections
U should totally post the bug!:)
and I realize that their appeal is great but the substance is zero
No, really I get it, I use the be him, back in the bush days
I believed that bush would destroy this country (worst then he did)and that he would declare martial law and that we were all gonna die and sky is falling... blah blah
all b/c ppl like beck who sell fear
I hav stomached a few episodes but I must admit after the 2nd remote hit the wall I had to stop.
I understand that it seams scary when you disagree 100% with the president but thats the great thing about US, elections every 4 years
@siliedy1975 I had actually shut off my computer..........then I saw & recorded the most GIGANTIC beetle/bug...whatever the hell it was, that was on my deck. I only turned my computer back on to look at the video. That's when I saw your posts. The bug hit my door. I thought it was a bird because it made such a loud sound. LOL
all of his rants are out of context, just words and names on a board he just draws them together on his chalk board and ppl like you think that it ALL connected to some great plan to turn america into a commie country.
some examples are His rants about tides foundation which encouraged violence and george soros who he makes out to be some boogieman
@siliedy1975 I don't see how anyone has trouble understanding anything he says. He can't possibly make things any clearer. (I don't mean that as an insult, btw.) Have u really ever watched an entire show? Or r u only seeing clips on YouTube or Jon Stewart's show, etc...? Maybe that's why u're not "getting it". I don't know. I don't need u 2 like him. Have u ever noticed that no one challenges WHAT he says? They just challenge THAT he says it.No one debunks his info...hard 2 argue w/ video proof.
@shellymic Interpretation is just that--interpretation. You and I could be watching the same thing and interpret it differently because of various factors (age, race, education, social status,vision, etc.) For example, he tries to shape and promote the belief that this is a christian nation, which to me is antithetical to the wording and intent of the constitution.
@siliedy1975 I've never heard him do it. I listen to him about 20 hours a week. He's vigilant about NOT doing it because it's done TO him every day. Do you have any examples of Glenn taking something out of context?
Funny how right-wingers never acknowledge the fact that you supported the audit the fed bill w/ Ron Paul and show the strongest plans for budget reduction, yet they would rather elect an air conditioner salesman!
Good video Shelly. And I was cheering on election night when this petulant child got his ass handed to him. But I remain amazed when I see YouTubers who go to incredible lengths to defend Grayson, and particularly his Taliban Dan ad. But you did a nice job of laying it out for those of us who are rational.
klrdotorg 1 year ago
@klrdotorg Thank you. The "rational" seem to be a breed in danger of extinction on YouTube. It's nice to actually meet one. :)
shellymic 1 year ago
@letom82 I think you mean you're not your. way to make yourself look like a jackass.
Besides Fox News asks all people they do opinion pieces on for an opportunity to come on fox news and let their voice be heard.
haiwin224 1 year ago 3
@letom82 So it's ok for a democrat to do it because some republicans do it? Not that if you do it you are an ass hat no matter what side you are on, only a childish playground justification? Sounds logical.
hanzo138 1 year ago
GLEN BECK STFUP u are a moran
dreamermex1 1 year ago
@dreamermex1
1. Glenn
2. STFU = Shut The F*%$ Up (no need to spell-out "up")
3. I think you mean "moron."
4. LOL
shellymic 1 year ago 3
@dreamermex1 a guy who can't spell moron or Mormon right is really a moron. If you're going to post something then at least spell check it.
haiwin224 1 year ago
Fox News and Republicans use Taliban Dan style smear tactics against liberals all the time. However, I think Alan Grayson was pretty silly to think he could get away with this. Smears and distortions are only for Republicans silly rabbit lol!
mef75baby 1 year ago
@mef75baby Really? I'd love to hear some (or even one) example of a complete and utter lie MADE UP by Fox News or a "Republican." If your "source" is Media Matters don't waste my time, ok? Thanks.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic hmmm well let's see....shall we start with Obama attended a Madrasah
or how about Obama wants to teach sex education to kindergarteners. Conservatives were essentially implying that Obama wanted to teach 5 year olds about safe sex, and the reproductive cycle. How about Palin's charge about death panels or the Swift boat veterans for truth fiasco? How about Fox complete take down of ACORN running storries that were false? How about Shirley Sherrod The list could go on and on.
mef75baby 1 year ago
@mef75baby @mef75baby (Oh, I really dislike this 500 character limit.)
1. Madrassa: from the HuffPo: "...Insight Magazine had first spread the rumors." This was repeated on Fox by Steve Doocy (Fox & Friends), as well as former Sen. Bob Kerrey (endorsed Hillary Clinton), & Hillary, herself. ...continued...
Also from HuffPo:
"In a technical sense, Kerrey's words were not entirely untrue. According to the Merriam-Webster dictionary, the term madrassa means a "Muslim school, college...continued...
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic I hate the 500 word limit too With that said, let's be objective here. While it is true that a Madrasah is defined technically as meaning "school" in Islam. It is usually associated with being a school that teaches fundamental or an "extreme" version of Islam. This is how Insight, FOX and the rest of the right-wing media presented it so that Obama would look dangerous to voters. Your justification echos of Grayson's justification for his smear Dan Webster. There is no defense!
mef75baby 1 year ago
@mef75baby "...or university that is often part of a mosque." And Obama has acknowleged that as a child in Indonesia he did attend a "Muslim school."
shellymic 1 year ago
@mef75baby
2. Sex ed to kindergartners: Um, looks like you can "blame" Alan Keyes for this one. As well as, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, HuffPo, FactCheck, Politifact, Sun Times, etc. And yes, Fox News as well, for reporting this story. It did not originate on Fox. It originated in 2004 with Alan Keyes in a Senatorial run against BO.
McCain resurfaced this claim during his campaign, also.
shellymic 1 year ago
@mef75baby
3. Death Panels: On this one, it pretty much depends on your political ideology whether or not you agree w/ it. I do. Anyone that pays attn KNOWS that "death panels" WILL be a result of the God-awful HC law. There will NOT be enough $ to pay for EVERYONE's treatment, therefore, "death panels" will result. Older Americans, whose "useful life" has been exhausted, will not receive treatment over a 20 y/o whose whole life is in front of them. You may not "like" this, but it will happen.
shellymic 1 year ago
@mef75baby
4. Swift boat vets: What was untrue about anything they said? (And, I don't remember them being an influence in any other race than in Bush's...am I wrong?)
shellymic 1 year ago
@mef75baby Nothing about the ACORN story was untrue. The lefty media has been saying that the ENTIRE "pimp" investigation by James O'Keefe was a "lie" AFTER he was convicted 4 the shenanigans in Landrieu's office & he attempted to "punk" a CNN reporter. All of the ACORN pimp vids are on YouTube. You can watch them. There's no way a thinking person can watch them and call them a "lie." It's just not possible. What happened w/ ACORN doesn't become "untrue" because James f'd up after it.
shellymic 1 year ago 2
@mef75baby How about Shirley Sherrod? How about Ag Sec Tom Vilsack? HE'S the one that wanted her gone!
As far as Fox News on this story, I can specifically speak for Glenn Beck & no one else (I'm tired of googling...), HE didn't "buy" the story and STOOD UP FOR SHIRLEY while ALL OTHER MEDIA OUTLETS were condemning her. On radio, after 1st hearing the story, he was more "accusatory" than he was later in the day on Fox...the story didn't "smell" right to him & he gave her the benefit of doubt.
shellymic 1 year ago
@mef75baby Whew! Off to watch football now. :)
Got anymore?
shellymic 1 year ago
I'm a little sad about this. I am a political conservative but recently spoke with Rep. Grayson for nearly an hour on several issues and he seemed likable enough. Later I see videos and things that show another side. Evidently people wear different masks at different times. All we ever see of people is the tip of the iceberg. I wish people could be more cordial on both sides of the aisle.
DrStevenz 1 year ago
@DrStevenz My condolences on your having to be around such evil for as long as you were. Grayson is one of the most despicable "people" to have ever inhabited the halls of Congress. He is the lowest of the low. He has no scruples. It was a beautiful moment when I heard that he lost by 18%!!! The only shame about him NOT being in Congress any longer is that he'll be receiving his Congressional pay & benefits for the remainder of his life...that is a tragedy. He is an embarrassment to humanity.
shellymic 1 year ago
Regardless i think Alan Grayson is a pedophile from that add
Mezey5 1 year ago
I cannot wait for this worthless communist country to collapse so I can finally defend myself against this worthless shit.
Graham6762 1 year ago
Mam, I dont think you have the right to call anyone a dumb ass when you cite glenn beck.
redriverhautbois 1 year ago
@redriverhautbois LOL You calling me OR Glenn a dumbass is hilarious. I'll bet you put the space in "dumb ass" when the spell-checker underlined it for you, right? Let's just say that is the case, OK? Why, oh why, didn't you re-spell "Mam?" Oh, I see, because your ignorant spell-checker didn't tell you do so. Got it. Just FYI (For Your Information), "Mam" is spelled, "ma'am". There is an apostrophe in it because it is an abbreviation for the word "madame," dumbass.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic or i actually just decided to separate the words dumb and ass. Its not like this was a heavily weighted decision. I typed it, pressed the post button.
Also yes, glenn beck is a dumbass/dumb ass and it sounds like you are as well.
redriverhautbois 1 year ago
@redriverhautbois Why do I sound like a dumbass, too? Because I posted facts for you to see? Just like Glenn does? Hmmm? Too much for little crybaby, progressive, whiner to take? Hmmm? Poo witto baby boy/girl...whatever...don't care/can't tell. Facts ALWAYS trip up progressives. Such is life. Have a nice life. I've blocked you. I've been called enough names by you for today. Thanks.
I know! Why don't u go hop into another account & come back & try to post more of your waste-of-time comments?Ha!
shellymic 1 year ago
ALL precincts reporting:
Alan "Douchebag" Grayson LOSES 56% -38%! Yay!!!
Grayson 83,386
Webster 122,691
shellymic 1 year ago
This isn't plaigarism. If both politicians paid for the rights to the song, there was no plaigarism.
The choice of songs, a Sunday school song, may just remind religious voters to vote against him.
SaudaraLink 1 year ago
@SaudaraLink If it was the theft of a copyright, you would be correct. It was the theft of the the entire idea from Spitzer that makes it plagiarism.
Definition of plagiarism (which is plagiarism in an of itself because I cut & pasted it from a website): a piece of writing that has been copied from someone else and is presented as being your own work
shellymic 1 year ago
@letom82 Hey Moron. They ARE invited on many DO appear on the shows.
Except the REAL snakes like Grayson who is such a chickenshit that he will ONLY appear on shows that he thinks are friendly. OF course as despicable and as looney as he is, he thought that some people who normally support the lies of the left, actually stood tall on this one.
ToddAldrich 1 year ago
Shell, where have you gone? My last post a little to "true" for ya? hehe
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote No. I needed...and took a break from the web for MOST of today. I'm baaaaaaaaaaaaack. LOL :)
shellymic 1 year ago
Grayson really makes me sick to my stomach. Everything about him makes my skin crawl. His voice, his face, but most especially the things he says. He's a comic book villain. I actually feel sorry for the kids that had to play with him in that ad.
TheRealAkaRai 1 year ago
@TheRealAkaRai Me too. I thought he looked more like a pedophile in this ad than he EVER had before. LOL And, I didn't think that was possible. :)
shellymic 1 year ago
@letom82 That was the biggest load of crap I've read in a long time. Every single fucking word you said has not a shred of basis in reality. Just a slew of misplaced, worthless insults that have nothing to do with a damned thing. Tons of Democrats appear on Fox News, hell tons more WORK for Fox News, not like you could be assed to do your fucking research though, right? Grayson refuses to appear on Fox News, and is becoming more hostile to others as well because he doesn't like answering for thi
TheRealAkaRai 1 year ago
don't get it. what's wrong with calling out someone with connections to folks involved in the Christian Reconstruction movement? those folks DO hold that women should submit to their husbands, and are for the implementation of an old testament theocracy. "taliban" is just a metaphor. and, hey, a song is a song is a song...
climate42 1 year ago
@climate42 Well.......IF that were the case, as this ad implies, it would be GREAT that the douchebag grayson did so (and would also be the FIRST honest thing he did). No! It would be FANTASTIC!!!!!! But, this ad is nothing but a lie.
What else ya got?
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic (1) From Time Magazine:
On September 28, 2003 the St. Petersburg Times reported: “”What he has said I believe to be the truth,” Dan Webster said of Gothard in 1987.
Women are conditioned to be submissive to their husbands, discouraged from using birth control, and prohibited from working outside the home. Gothard-style worldview and lifestyle overburdens women, enslaves the daughters and destroys families.
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic (2) Vyckie Garrison was involved with Webster ally, Bill Gothard’s teachings for 14 years; after following the fundamentalist teachings of the ‘Quiverfull’ movement, Garrison was subjected to mental abuse and told to ignore medical advice not to have more children because her job as a woman was to obey God by submitting to her husband – an act that allegedly afforded her physical and spiritual protection.
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic (3) “Gothard’s teachings stress that safe and proper, ‘godly’ living comes from submission to authority. A woman must submit to any and all whims of her husband, including all types of domestic abuse,” said Garrison. ”Anyone concerned about women’s equality and empowerment should be alarmed by this religious movement.”
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic (4)According to Bill Gothard,a man’s wife“has to realize that God accomplishes his ultimate will through the decisions of the husband, even when the husband is wrong.”Citing I Thess 5:18 (“In every thing give thanks”),Gothard even advises a wife whose husband chastises her to say, “God, thank you for this beating.” Gothard adds to Christ’s words from the cross:“Father, forgive them, for they know not what they do. But you know what you are doing through them to build character in me.”
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic (5) My opinion: Grayson edited Webster's video, but that editing in no way compromised the truth in respect to Webster's beliefs. Webster simply says it is up to the wife to pray on what is in the bible, namely, that she submit to her husband. It was a clever way for him to avoid being perceived as overzealous, while simultaneously affirming his biblical beliefs. Grayson's mistake was overestimating the interpretive sophistication of the general public. Graysons add was true.
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote Geez, seems like you REALLY have to reach to come to your conclusion.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic I think you forgot to post my third (3) post. Perhaps that's the "missing link" and will make my conclusion more accesible.
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote Gosh, I did miss the approval of your 3rd post...sorry. I did, however, read it.
This was a campaign ad...not a dissection of someone's religious beliefs. You are dissecting and Grayson was lying...and he knows it. As does EVERYONE who knows the whole story as presented in my video. You're reaching.....really far. You're also assuming quite a bit, I think. That's ok. You're allowed. :)
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic (1)Let's set up an analogy. Say the government says all black people must ride on the back of the bus. A white man gets on a bus and sees a black women sitting in the front. He does not "force" her to go to the back, but he does believe that she "should" move to the back, because it is so written. It is the "belief" that Grayson questions, a particular world-view antithetical to equality. Grayson then gives examples of Webster's belief bleeding into his career.
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic Now, if I did a video portrait of this man on the bus, and while showing his face I played an audio loop saying, "you are supposed to go to the back of the bus, you are supposed to go to the back of the bus", even if he did not say it, is the video ultimately true?
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote That video would ultimately be dihonest. Just as grayson's is.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic Great! I agree with you--at this point in my example. Now let's up the ante. If the man in my example held some sort of political office AND was a member of the "White Citizens Council", a racist organization in the 60's that vehemently fought against "equal access to all", and he also espoused his beliefs to local media, that "black people must ride on the back of the bus", would the video editing be a lie? Think about it.
zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic Furthermore, if the aforementioned man had said in a speech to the council, "You do what is right under the law and sit in the front of the bus, the law says blacks should sit in the back, but you don't force them to, leave that up to them and the police to follow the law...". If I, in my video portrait, edited it so that he is saying, "blacks should sit in the back...", did I misrepresent the mans beliefs, views? Think about it.
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote Ooooooh. I WANT to agree with the scenario (because what is being done is WRONG). But.......it, portrayed the way you are describing, would STILL be dishonest.
When you have to create a scenario for your argument to "fit in" your "argument" ain't worth a shit. It's STILL dishonest.
I hate that I have to explain this...I, evidently, was bot blessed with the grammatical gifts required to portray my point to MY end.
Wrong is wrong.
Dishonesty is still a lie.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic Good, at least you admit to the "feel" of what I'm trying to get across. Your position, then, is shaped by "absolute" adherence, placing more value on honesty vs. dishonesty in any situation (even if the constitution is threatened, as in the example above). Now, a thought experiment: would you be dishonest if that dishonesty could stop "Talibanish" influences from shaping legislation? Would you be dishonest if that dishonesty could stop the holocaust?...etc. Get my drift?
zyfote 1 year ago
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zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote We're inching so close here 2 common ground it is a little scary 2 me. LOL
I'm thinking that your "explanation" or maybe "description" is a better word, of the above scenario(s) is akin 2 a torture situation. Is it ok 2 torture 4 the betterment of 100's or 1,000's of people? Is it ever ok? When is it "ok"? Never? Or just sometimes? (This is a very "grey" area...as has been some, not all, but SOME of our conversations.)
I can't tell u how nice it is 2 talk 2 someone who is NICE! Thanks!
shellymic 1 year ago
@zyfote dishonest
shellymic 1 year ago
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zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic I might also add, why can't a campaign ad be a dissection of someone's religious beliefs, if those beliefs run contrary to basic ideas, such as equality, and if that person is in a position to legislate?
zyfote 1 year ago
@zyfote It most certainly COULD be..........but, it wasn't. It was a simple lie. Period.
shellymic 1 year ago
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zyfote 1 year ago
@shellymic Ah, I see above Beck left out when Webster says that it should be up to the woman to pray on the "submit to me" verses. Interesting. Perhaps Beck left it out because he knows that would show Webster does in fact believe a woman should submit to her man, as it is so written--exactly what Grayson puts forth.
zyfote 1 year ago
@climate42 I have never heard of a christian reconstruction movement. I've been a baptist for years, know many preachers and lay people, been overseas on missions. Every religious conservative I know is pro 1st amendment. And the left love to throw that particular verse woman submit to husbands, but don't seem to understand that is only half the doctrine. The idea of the whole doctrine is that Yes the man leads the family, but sacrifices himself for the family. He starves, so she can eat
d00mie74 1 year ago
republicans always use misleading ads to win and now a dem does it....so of course its ok....im all for entertaining ads...however its up TO U...to educate urself on these canidates and not rely on tv commercials....dems and repubs work for the same bosses anyways
Qborn81 1 year ago
@Qborn81 Can you provide an example of ONE of the misleading ads that you are speaking of? Since there's so many who think there are so many ads from republicans like this ad that have been released in the past......surely, they are available on YouTube. Provide ONE example (out of the, seemingly, thousands...that MUST be available) that is as blatantly awful as this tripe. Dare you. (Boo!)
shellymic 1 year ago
thats great how Alan Grayson told the 100% truth !!! he have my vote !!!
unelmitchell 1 year ago
@unelmitchell How exactly is it the truth to take what someone says, edit it down to a fragment of the sentence, and then claim the exact opposite of what they said was what they meant?
TheRealAkaRai 1 year ago
People who have fallen on hard times are the ones who can save the progressive movement
jassy345 1 year ago
@jassy345 I'm "on hard times"...it's a way of life 4 me...I guess. I don't want a THING to do with the "progressive movement". I'd like everyone to have a fair shot & those who have succeeded to be able to reap the rewards of THEIR hard work. I don't need or WANT a part of their pie....which is ALL the progressive mvmnt is about. STEALING from those who have worked hard their whole lives and TAKING what is THEIRS. It belongs to them & I don't want ANY of their pie. I'll make my own thank you.
shellymic 1 year ago
I see too many of those bafoons in govt, in all levels, from local districts all the way to house, congress even some at the white house and on both sides
its just sad really
however the unbelievable contradictions that I hear out of some of the TP members is the worst of all. small govt....NOT... less taxes....NOT...
but I guess we will see if they manage not to hang themselves before elections
U should totally post the bug!:)
and I realize that their appeal is great but the substance is zero
siliedy1975 1 year ago
No, really I get it, I use the be him, back in the bush days
I believed that bush would destroy this country (worst then he did)and that he would declare martial law and that we were all gonna die and sky is falling... blah blah
all b/c ppl like beck who sell fear
I hav stomached a few episodes but I must admit after the 2nd remote hit the wall I had to stop.
I understand that it seams scary when you disagree 100% with the president but thats the great thing about US, elections every 4 years
siliedy1975 1 year ago
@siliedy1975 Agreed.
shellymic 1 year ago
i gave examples and you did not post them
hahaha
siliedy1975 1 year ago
@siliedy1975 I had actually shut off my computer..........then I saw & recorded the most GIGANTIC beetle/bug...whatever the hell it was, that was on my deck. I only turned my computer back on to look at the video. That's when I saw your posts. The bug hit my door. I thought it was a bird because it made such a loud sound. LOL
Your comments are posted.
shellymic 1 year ago
all of his rants are out of context, just words and names on a board he just draws them together on his chalk board and ppl like you think that it ALL connected to some great plan to turn america into a commie country.
some examples are His rants about tides foundation which encouraged violence and george soros who he makes out to be some boogieman
plzz
siliedy1975 1 year ago
@siliedy1975 I don't see how anyone has trouble understanding anything he says. He can't possibly make things any clearer. (I don't mean that as an insult, btw.) Have u really ever watched an entire show? Or r u only seeing clips on YouTube or Jon Stewart's show, etc...? Maybe that's why u're not "getting it". I don't know. I don't need u 2 like him. Have u ever noticed that no one challenges WHAT he says? They just challenge THAT he says it.No one debunks his info...hard 2 argue w/ video proof.
shellymic 1 year ago
@shellymic Interpretation is just that--interpretation. You and I could be watching the same thing and interpret it differently because of various factors (age, race, education, social status,vision, etc.) For example, he tries to shape and promote the belief that this is a christian nation, which to me is antithetical to the wording and intent of the constitution.
zyfote 1 year ago
every day when he goes off on his chalk board conspiracy
siliedy1975 1 year ago
I find it quite funny that a man with glenns lack of integrity would get on a soap box and preach to anyone about taking things out of context.
He makes a career of this
lol
siliedy1975 1 year ago
@siliedy1975 Nope. No examples, I guess.
shellymic 1 year ago
glenn.. preaching about editing and taking thinks out of context...hahahahahahahahahhehehehehehahahahahahahahahahahahah
f-ing ridiculous
siliedy1975 1 year ago
@siliedy1975 I've never heard him do it. I listen to him about 20 hours a week. He's vigilant about NOT doing it because it's done TO him every day. Do you have any examples of Glenn taking something out of context?
shellymic 1 year ago
Funny how right-wingers never acknowledge the fact that you supported the audit the fed bill w/ Ron Paul and show the strongest plans for budget reduction, yet they would rather elect an air conditioner salesman!
Beardmania 1 year ago
Grayson the sleazy filthy lying liberal SCUMBAG got PWND!
frictionRx5 1 year ago
dont get aggravated, get even. I just sent $25.00 to Webster!! Cant vote in FL but money travels far.
unocomm 1 year ago