@BlackTongueLoki Although my one issue with the Dutch model is that the "backdoor" portion isn't regulated. Coffeeshops can sell the cannabis they have but they cannot get any more, so they must turn to the black market to buy the cannabis in bulk to then sell in their shops.
We need jobs in the private sector, manufacturing not NHS managers and the public sector, these don't bring money into country this does not create growth.
We need to manufacture things to sell this bring money into country. Conservative
(continued from other comment) mephedrone used the memphetamines or however you spell it.. now they have to vary it so much its going to be dangerous. apparently a new drug is out called mpv or npv and some kid ripped all his teeth out on it. well done labour party, well done.
he hasnt got a clue the cunt.. the reason that guy resigned from the head of drugs department posistion or w.e it was called.. is because he knew if they banned mephedrone before they found out more about it the legal high creators would just bring out a new more chemical varied (to make it differ from the other so it can be blagged as legal) which will potentially be up to 10x more dangerous... there running out of chemical similarities they can use.. mdma has been taken by methylone..
to date 30/04/2010 there is no scientific evidence to say that methadrome was a contributing factor of the recent deaths
in other words they had alcohol and other illegal drugs in there system at the time of death, remember XTC well turns out most of the people who died actually died from anaphalactic shock (they were elergic to it) just like some people are with nuts
its just more scaremongering by politicians who tell bare faced lies and get away with it
@fliskrules Anaphylactic shock? Who told you that? It's complete bollox. The 2 most common reasons for Ecstasy deaths are:
1, heatstroke - causing vital organs to shut down.
2, excess water consumption (like Leah Betts) - causing swelling of the brain.
There are a very small number of cases where users had pre-existing Heart conditions which resulted in death, but overdose and allergic reactions are both scenarios played out by the media to scare people and both are completely false.
The British Prisoner CHARLES BRONSON should be a free man by now ! Just proves how un Christian this country is. No wonder people are turning to Islam ! And I'm talking about mainstream people turning to Islam.
@artiscrap: indeed thebprohibition of drugs makes it not only less expensive therefore less dangerous and yes it would cut crime, but there's a reason they're banned... They're ridiculously addictive and harmful to your body...
Its all hipocracy ! They give people who are drug addicts council flats, and houses, while the person who don't take drugs, trying to better their life are still on a waiting list, living at home with their parents well into their 30s and 40s. The drug addicts get all the help like immigranst do, while the person trying to live right are put under pressure because they cant find a stable Job unless its agency slave work.
No they dont, Drug addicts get JACK SHI, the current free drug service is terribleT. What does happens is they get their gf pregnant, and that is what gets them the council flat. An immigrant is way more likley to get a flat than a single Drug addict. If you on drugs and dontr have a gf to make pregnant, you are literrly on the streets, FACT.
@TonyMon16 I'm sorry you don't get Jack. But in Lambeth they give council flats to crack heads, and people who have mental problems. This is a fact because I see it daily. Immigrants get the Jobs for cheap labour , plus they are subservant while this country hates their own. This is why the BNP have a voice , though I don't support them. They were on question time while people like Doctah X can't even be seen on TV because of racism.
@TonyMon16 Wrong I'm afraid. If addicts go on certified re-hab programs via organizations like Turning Point, they are given housing. It's happening all over the country and it's been this way for almost a decade. It matters not if they are addicted to drugs or alcohol, they are given housing, grants and handouts from the social care fund, whether they have kids or not is irrelevant.
Gordon Brown is a Presbyterian, he believes that any kind of "enjoyment" is ungodly and injurous to the soul, THAT is why he would never consider legalising any "drug".
He is definitely NOT a progressive, he is a member of one of the most repressive and backwards looking religions in the UK.
In every regard he is a puritan and not a man for the 21st century.
All this rave about methadrone is completely ridiculous. The Sun and other media sources hyped it up so much that half the population believe it is the worst thing since Jack the f*cking ripper.
I want to hear their stance on canabis, a drug which is arguably safer than alcohol. I don't smoke canabis habitually, but I'm against the erosion of public freedom on the whim of some high earning posh boy who thinks that drugs are for bad people. Are all politicians this out of touch?
It might be clear to YOU Prime Minister, but that's why we're supposed to have democracy, so other (hopefully intelligent) people can have their say... No wonder the election turn-outs are so low. You lot keep banning everything, and we have no control!
do yourself a favour gordon, bend over drop your pants, then stick a rose in your bottom, then become a relly useful part of society,,,,,,,,,,,,, a flowerpot
agree with lionhart3001 , an easy win would be to legalize canibis , it will hit the drug dealers hard and make getting class A much harder as most drug dealers start small by selling canibis first , and id rather smell canibis when i walk past a smoker that shitty fags.
@kierzorz an even easier win would be scaring people to a point where the risk of touching or dealing drugs is not worth the risk, like in the far east.
I'D LIKE TO GIVE GORDON A BANANA SIZED SUPPOSITORY USING COMPRESSED AIR - ANYONE THINK THAT SHOULD BE TELEVISED FOR PUBLIC ENTERTAINMENT - thanks for 12 years of shit Gordon.
we dont need your British way of life we only want your infrastructure we send our kids to Islamic schools we have our own banks, markets,etc and shop fronts are written in Arabic so we dont even need your language. British way of life is shit and we dont want to lower ourselves to that. now we need to get rid of that bloody British flag and put up our own and in time that will happen as there are ppl working on it right now. ..
Alcohol is one of the biggest problem drugs that we could ahve legal, however in UK its historical and what happens when its illegal, major crime jump. take the fucking hint, legalise the weed.
How can the world be in debt to itself? That's right.....IT CANT! Which means we must owe to someone or something here on earth. So who is it? If money makes the world go round and is the lifeblood of all social institutions then this point seems like one of the biggest for the human race to consider. You will not find the answer in the media, politics or religion. Watch zeitgeist addendum and prepare to find out who owns you.
@policematrix Quite right. We are slaves and you are only worth your current wealth. Wealth creates wealth. Proven by the fact 1% owns 40% of the wealth. Have you seen zeitgeist addendum?
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
@jmebag1 That's the ONLY good thing the Lib Dems propose, everything else is bullshit.
If you want 60.000 criminals released from prison early, if you want £ road tolls, if you want an immigration free for all, if you fancy ditching the £ for the Euro, if you want more EU bureaucracy, if you want a defenceless country plunged into power cuts and if you want to be banned from flying the St Georges flag, then vote Liberal Democrats!
@bmk139 If UKIP were truly libertarian they would have no immigration policies. Read Friedmans ideas on immigration, then perhaps you would understand.
YOU ARE AN IDIOT GORDON. "we have to go thorugh the scientific enquires" BUT WILL YOU LISTEN TO THEM??? hell NO!!! you'll sack the scientists who tell you the facts, and just do what you want anyway - THIS IS WHY WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH, you take us for fools
im not voting i think more people vote for whos gonna be the next dorathy than the election well to be honest i dont blame them whos with me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@stivante Yup, a true bigot, and an arrogant, deluded, narcissistic socio-path if ever there was one. Fuck NewLabour, bunch of self serving, useless cunts the lot of them!
In a world where 1% of the world control 40% of the wealth, 50% earn less than 2 dollars a day, 60% have never used a phone, 100 million tons of waste is floating in the pacific and a 6th of the population is starving something is obvious, our political and social institutions do not work. We need a new approach. Watch 'zeitgeist addendum' online to find out the more.
'We can not solve the problems of today by using the same thought process we used when we created them' Albert Einstein.
In a world where 1% of the world control 40% of the wealth, 50% earn less than 2 dollars a day, 60% have never used a phone, 100 million tons of waste is floating in the pacific and a 6th of the population is starving something is obvious, our political and social institutions do not work. We need a new approach. Watch 'zeitgeist addendum' online to find out the more.
'We can not solve the problems of today by using the same thought process we used when we created them' Albert Einstein.
Gordon & his party are a bunch of ****s, they've dragged us in to two wars and are largely to blame for all of the death of our troops & innocent people in Afghan & Iraq. They've allowed our country to fall in to recession, lost millions of us our homes & jobs. They bailed out the banks then paid the bankers a bonus with our tax money.
He opened the doors to Europe & swamped our culture with everyone else.
He sold our gold reserves for next to nothing + he's never been elected
Not really "discussing drugs policy", just plant food. Whats his policy on sacking his advisors on the subject? Just because he doesn't agree with their opinion, the people who know a great deal more about the science behind it. Ok it was Johnson who sacked David Knut, but still. If alcohol is legal because because most people can be responsible why not other drugs? Half of parliament confessed to have smoked weed not long ago! Law breaking politicians, who'd have thought?
Drug laws are a joke. Even God failed in his attempts at prohibition. all he suceeded in doing was making the apples seem more tempting. I'm sure he created various mind altering plants at the same time but he didn't have a problem with Adam and Eve consuming as much of them as they liked, just leave those nice, jucy, sweet smelling apples alone. That worked well didn't it?
You will only ever control drug use by legalising, regulating and educating if you believe otherwise you are a fool
@mufcCurt If you look at the votes on all the video's you'll see that Clegg is miles ahead on nearly all of them. If this translates to how people vote in the election then yes they could win. However you'll never hear that from any of the media as they continue to tell you over and over again that they can't. It's that age old trick , tell people something often enough and they'll believe it. Remember all the media has left or right wing bias. If they cannot win we cannot call this a democracy
By concentrating on cannabis you're creating a nation of addicts because there's Heroin everywhere,it's so easy to get round here,weed is hard to get. Now that is ludicrous wouldn't you agree?
@mufcCurt So you think its acceptable to steal money from those who are wealthier than you through coercion? What divine right states that you deserve their money?
@pav07 That statement is idiotic, the reason they do is becuase of the availability, and why is the fact they kill people a bad thing? People exercise their autonomy and choose to take them....
@rikhurley I think pav07 is trying to get at the point that cannabis has some health hazzards attributed to it like cigs and booze. But cannabis also has many benefits that are yet undiscovered, for example it has shown to dent alzheimer progression on top of its known analgesic properties for those with chronic pain. and not to mention helping those on chemo regain their appetite.
@speedemon1234, I didn't deny that cannabis has health benefits, although I think it would be a fallacy to embark on an argument that it is good for you. I don't care whether it is good for you, things shouldn't be legal because somebody deemed that are good for you, everything should be legal, its up to you to decide whether you want to take it.
@rikhurley im just saying you that cigs and booze kills more people then drugs and yet they both are legal and apart from the people who make them the government make money on it aswell
5-IAI (5-Iodo-2-Aminoindane) will be the next mephedrone. Maybe in a year they'll ban this after its use explodes, and then something new will come out. Endless cycle. People just want MDMA, they should just make its use regulated, at least the long term effects are known. Thats why im voting LIBDEM, give the scientist the control over regulation, not the goverment, the war on drugs is going no where.
@fffffff3ff3 cannabis has been illegal since the 1920's. and after 8 decades what is the result of the 'war on drugs?' the UK is now a net exporter of it!
If you don't listen to the scientists, relying on data and evidence and instead go with populist policies to keep Daily Mail readers happy, frankly I have no time for you. Areas with active methodrone programmes have seen some of the largest reductions in crime across the country. Coincidence? Of course not. If a junkie has no alternative of COURSE he'll go back to crime to pay for heroin.
your telling me that people are burgaling houses for mephadrome fuck off you soft cunt and are you telling me mephadrome users will take heroin as a substitute your living in a different world
people do crime for lots of different reasons but you think its the cats meow crew ha ha ha
@policematrix Heroin addicts commit crime to feed their addiction. Where an alternative to heroin is provided for free, they no longer need to commit crime to feed the habit. There have been countless studies carried out by the police, the NHS and independent bodies that prove it. Data and evidence, not media led populist BS, should inform policy decisions.
On drugs policy? He's only talking about one drug, even though drugs cause immense problems in society they also sooth the pain of others who need release. Cannabis SHOULD be legalized, BUT ONLY for the terminally ill. Some people have so much pain during their day to day lives and their doctor can't help. Some patients allready use it but are constantly in fear of a police raid.
why just for the terminaly ill im fit as a fiddle but i love smokin weed wats up with that its my body and mind and ill do as i please no matter what the law on drugs say
your right in that it should at least be decriminalised cause we all fear getting our door booted in by the heavy handed police who treat you as a hardened criminal even though you abide by all other laws
ive allways said if it dosnt harm anyone ells then its blatently not a crime its the year 2010 ffucks sake
all he basically said was "methadrone" is bad. it's mephedrone you total moron! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. He is just jumping on the propaganda bandwagon and saying what everyone wants to hear. Mephedrone is a problem? not really, it was blown out of proportion. What is his drugs policy then?
what an idiot, drug prohibition does not work! firstly the government has no right to tell anyone what they can do with their own body, its called self ownership i own me and nobody has any right to tell me what to do unless i take that freedom from someone else, harm or fraud someone else or their property. and secondly it just doesnt work, look at alcohol prohibition in the USA, we have the same thing with drugs.
@b00353 - How many have resigned from the drug advisory council? Practically all of them. The government employ science and medical advisors and then completely ignore them....While 100's of 1000's die of smoking and drinking related illnesses, and live with the broken life alcoholism gives them....The hypocrisy is breathtaking... They only see drugs and a voting issue. To be seen to be doing something rather than facing the reality of the situation.
@b00353 not trying to get into a retarded little youtube comment argument but have you never thought that maybe the alcohol itself isnt the problem? its the people who drink themselves into a coma every other night that are the problem, i dont see why the majority should have to suffer with an alcohol ban just because the minority cant realise when enough is enough
@b00353 Well, you see there was a thing called "probation" in the US which made alcohol illegal. People just wanted to drink and criminals (mafia etc) were the ones selling it and made HUGE profits. You can't ban alcohol because there are a lot of people who love it.
A) He's saying it wrong.. It's mephedrone, not methodrone
B) Did he just admit to pretty much taking Alan Johnsons advice as gospel before doing any scientific research, or have I just entered the twilight zone? (Johnson being a man with a history of ignoring hard scientific evidence if it doesn't exactly match his stubborn made up opinions on various drugs)
The really dangerous thing about a lot of drugs is that they are sold in an environment where there are no standards of quality.
Smoke a big fat joint mr Brown and chill the fuck out. Legalise weed, sell it in cafes and tax it. Drinking will go down and fighting will go down. Didn't the British medical board say that sugar was worse for you than weed.
I couldn't care less about the legal status of chemical highs... but why are natural psychedelics such as mushrooms and cannabis illegal. They are plants of the earth and the criminalization of nature is the true crime.
Do not vote, It only encourages them. Instead look into the ideas of the Venus project. The only tangible way to a better future beyond politics, poverty and war.
Remember that none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
typical response, small majority of the public say ban it and the government hop to it, want to listen to the people who use it for a change? banning it hasnt stopped me using it, just more money out of my pocket, and i doubt the amount of users has gone down since the ban, theres been no scientific link between meph and the deaths its apparently caused, alcohol and smoking are more addictive and dangerous, ban them as well, boring scottish git
"Used to create wars by young people"? Erm, that's really watching a house burning down and commenting on how poorly the windows are made; you're being too specific.
But overall, I'm in agreement. 'Legal high'. Anything that has the word 'legal' in it as a selling point is going to be dodgy. It doesn't help that it is in fact very unhealthy for you.
Obviously, however, there is the brilliant counter-argument that alcohol is far worse on your mind, body and health. Yes, this is true. Why is it allowed then? Because despite all its troubles, alcohol is a massive industry in the UK (funding workers, not just factory owners), and such a familiar thing that people have far better knowledge about its dangers. Not only that, but the selling point of why we shouldn't ban alcohol is looking at the prohibition that occurred in the USA.
if you are gonna get anywhere for real you need evidence based policy otherwise you are just distorting the world even more.. after all we are dealing with reality here aren't we? What you sack evidenced based advisors? Der... like I would vote for anyone so stupid.. your track record and grasp on reality and evidence is just awful mate and unfortunately not just on drugs policy.. little busienss of a war based on a lie too.. mmm.. isn't that illegal? why aren't you lot in jail yet?
Just think, if labour do get booted out then brown will go down as the most useless prime minister(UN-elected BTW) that ever graced the shores of this great nation, nice :)
I have noticed with the comments that more and more people are getting used to the same ol drug policy bullshit, LISTEN to the PEOPLE and NOT media moguls mr unelected brown and you 'may' get some voters back, mind you, this guy did say that cannabis is leathal?(just look up the word lethal, cannabis and lethal go together like baby powder and 3rd degree burns)
"Obviously we have to go through the scientific enquiries...but I think it's clear to me that methadrone poses a difficulty when used in the way it was."
So, Brown doesn't need the science for clarity - his mind is made up already. I suppose that's pretty obvious from the appalling mistreatment of scientists on the advisory panel in the past few months.
Legalizing Cannabis has NOTHING to do with it having a drug in it!!!!
It's ALL to do with MONEY! Look at the companies that would lose Millions/Billions if it were legalized...
Oil (fuel) Oil (plastics) Forestry (paper) Pharma (medicines) Clothing (cotton/nylon) Police (fines) Judiciary (fines) Prisons (jobs) Hospitals (fewer patients)
... just to name a few.
It's NOT about Drugs... it's about MONEY! Don't kid yourself!
Itsmeeman1 1 month ago
Its not rocket science.
Cannabis use in the UK annually - 10.8%
Cannabis use in the Netherlands annually - 6.1%
If you want less people smoking it, legalize.
2edsajdmsa 10 months ago
@2edsajdmsa it's not legal in the Netherlands. It's tolerated. I get your point though.
BlackTongueLoki 7 months ago
@BlackTongueLoki right, but in effect the results are the same as if you legalized ;-)
2edsajdmsa 7 months ago
@BlackTongueLoki Although my one issue with the Dutch model is that the "backdoor" portion isn't regulated. Coffeeshops can sell the cannabis they have but they cannot get any more, so they must turn to the black market to buy the cannabis in bulk to then sell in their shops.
I'd regulate the growing too.
2edsajdmsa 7 months ago
GORDON SMOKES BROWN
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@2edsajdmsa "Turning your back and hoping it goes away is a fools errand"
= I find it highly unlikely the smartest minds in our country can make such a mistake. Turning their backs must be a plan
CannabisCorporation 10 months ago
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Do not let them take liberty away again.
HardeyLeone 1 year ago
CUNT
JamWtree 1 year ago
@JamWtree lol
mathum77 1 year ago
i think he means *mephedrone"
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b00353 1 year ago
No neck?
Jordanz0rd 1 year ago
@Jordanz0rd lmafo
stivante 1 year ago
Traitors like this should be hung.
stepheng1483 1 year ago
I love Gordon Brown, what a LAD
WINYARD87 1 year ago
@PrincessDarkness99
LOL
lostlemming 1 year ago
I love drugs
mrpoopomaximus 1 year ago
Would you buy a bag of Mephedrone from this man?
DJDementEatsBabies 1 year ago
Is he saying 'methedrone'???
archie1877 1 year ago
I reallyyy hate Gordon so much.
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We need jobs in the private sector, manufacturing not NHS managers and the public sector, these don't bring money into country this does not create growth.
We need to manufacture things to sell this bring money into country. Conservative
Matt25459 1 year ago
(continued from other comment) mephedrone used the memphetamines or however you spell it.. now they have to vary it so much its going to be dangerous. apparently a new drug is out called mpv or npv and some kid ripped all his teeth out on it. well done labour party, well done.
nasgulmage2 1 year ago
he hasnt got a clue the cunt.. the reason that guy resigned from the head of drugs department posistion or w.e it was called.. is because he knew if they banned mephedrone before they found out more about it the legal high creators would just bring out a new more chemical varied (to make it differ from the other so it can be blagged as legal) which will potentially be up to 10x more dangerous... there running out of chemical similarities they can use.. mdma has been taken by methylone..
nasgulmage2 1 year ago
Look at those ears just look at them you cant miss them
TheHughesy1 1 year ago
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THE liberal dems are going to decriminalise the possesion of personal drugs
and allow you to grow weed without being arrested .... vote winner
policematrix 1 year ago
to date 30/04/2010 there is no scientific evidence to say that methadrome was a contributing factor of the recent deaths
in other words they had alcohol and other illegal drugs in there system at the time of death, remember XTC well turns out most of the people who died actually died from anaphalactic shock (they were elergic to it) just like some people are with nuts
its just more scaremongering by politicians who tell bare faced lies and get away with it
pat yourself on the back U.K
fliskrules 1 year ago
@fliskrules Anaphylactic shock? Who told you that? It's complete bollox. The 2 most common reasons for Ecstasy deaths are:
1, heatstroke - causing vital organs to shut down.
2, excess water consumption (like Leah Betts) - causing swelling of the brain.
There are a very small number of cases where users had pre-existing Heart conditions which resulted in death, but overdose and allergic reactions are both scenarios played out by the media to scare people and both are completely false.
bmk139 1 year ago
I think we've had a very unusual scenario where the worst prime minister this country has ever had was followed by someone even worse still.
The two worst prime ministers in quick succession. Nasty.
nickbaldeagle01 1 year ago
The British Prisoner CHARLES BRONSON should be a free man by now ! Just proves how un Christian this country is. No wonder people are turning to Islam ! And I'm talking about mainstream people turning to Islam.
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
Sounded like he said methadone, the heroin substitue but im sure he meant methadrone.
TonyMon16 1 year ago
@artiscrap: indeed thebprohibition of drugs makes it not only less expensive therefore less dangerous and yes it would cut crime, but there's a reason they're banned... They're ridiculously addictive and harmful to your body...
Kalcite 1 year ago
Gordons on meph if he thinks hes winning the election
DjQuick2008 1 year ago
Gordon Brown on drugs... poilcy. :P
97channel 1 year ago
No, no - I shall rely on my own biased views.
Listen to the scientific experts?... far too logical.
TheFluorineMartyr 1 year ago
no proven links between mephedrone and death - there will be now its illegal and more dangerous and expensive
decriminalise all drugs and you slash crime in half overnight and save the economy billions in policing costs
current drug policy puts money straight into the hands of gangsters - do they care?? do they fuck?
prohibition doesn't work - only makes drugs more dangerous!
artiscrap 1 year ago
British prisoner CHARLES BRONSON should be a free man !!!!!
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
Its all hipocracy ! They give people who are drug addicts council flats, and houses, while the person who don't take drugs, trying to better their life are still on a waiting list, living at home with their parents well into their 30s and 40s. The drug addicts get all the help like immigranst do, while the person trying to live right are put under pressure because they cant find a stable Job unless its agency slave work.
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
@truthhitmanisback
No they dont, Drug addicts get JACK SHI, the current free drug service is terribleT. What does happens is they get their gf pregnant, and that is what gets them the council flat. An immigrant is way more likley to get a flat than a single Drug addict. If you on drugs and dontr have a gf to make pregnant, you are literrly on the streets, FACT.
TonyMon16 1 year ago
@TonyMon16 I'm sorry you don't get Jack. But in Lambeth they give council flats to crack heads, and people who have mental problems. This is a fact because I see it daily. Immigrants get the Jobs for cheap labour , plus they are subservant while this country hates their own. This is why the BNP have a voice , though I don't support them. They were on question time while people like Doctah X can't even be seen on TV because of racism.
truthhitmanisback 1 year ago
@TonyMon16 Wrong I'm afraid. If addicts go on certified re-hab programs via organizations like Turning Point, they are given housing. It's happening all over the country and it's been this way for almost a decade. It matters not if they are addicted to drugs or alcohol, they are given housing, grants and handouts from the social care fund, whether they have kids or not is irrelevant.
bmk139 1 year ago
Gordon Brown is a Presbyterian, he believes that any kind of "enjoyment" is ungodly and injurous to the soul, THAT is why he would never consider legalising any "drug".
He is definitely NOT a progressive, he is a member of one of the most repressive and backwards looking religions in the UK.
In every regard he is a puritan and not a man for the 21st century.
asubjectiveopinion 1 year ago 2
i love a man with power
araam101 1 year ago
So make the decision first and then have a look at evidence second?
redgiemental 1 year ago 11
@redgiemental That's precisely what I was thinking, and to be fair to him, that's precisely what he did. At least he came through on something, eh?
StanleyDonwood 1 year ago
We should kill this bastard :D
MrLittleman007 1 year ago 2
All this rave about methadrone is completely ridiculous. The Sun and other media sources hyped it up so much that half the population believe it is the worst thing since Jack the f*cking ripper.
I want to hear their stance on canabis, a drug which is arguably safer than alcohol. I don't smoke canabis habitually, but I'm against the erosion of public freedom on the whim of some high earning posh boy who thinks that drugs are for bad people. Are all politicians this out of touch?
haydendmorrison 1 year ago 2
oh sorry in the sidebar i thought it said gordon brown on drugs soz wrong vid
superduck76 1 year ago
Why does a DICk have to run this country. Do we really need to vote. Just get someone who will not fuck up
MattyMcGregor14 1 year ago
I do not believe a word this man says!
baldymer 1 year ago
It might be clear to YOU Prime Minister, but that's why we're supposed to have democracy, so other (hopefully intelligent) people can have their say... No wonder the election turn-outs are so low. You lot keep banning everything, and we have no control!
danisfast 1 year ago
do yourself a favour gordon, bend over drop your pants, then stick a rose in your bottom, then become a relly useful part of society,,,,,,,,,,,,, a flowerpot
tryfan69 1 year ago
agree with lionhart3001 , an easy win would be to legalize canibis , it will hit the drug dealers hard and make getting class A much harder as most drug dealers start small by selling canibis first , and id rather smell canibis when i walk past a smoker that shitty fags.
kierzorz 1 year ago 19
@kierzorz an even easier win would be scaring people to a point where the risk of touching or dealing drugs is not worth the risk, like in the far east.
trigga1uk 1 year ago
I'D LIKE TO GIVE GORDON A BANANA SIZED SUPPOSITORY USING COMPRESSED AIR - ANYONE THINK THAT SHOULD BE TELEVISED FOR PUBLIC ENTERTAINMENT - thanks for 12 years of shit Gordon.
ej8113 1 year ago 2
lol I thought the video was "gordon brown on drugs" because cut off the "policy" part
07towers8 1 year ago
LEGALIZE CANABIS!!!!!!!!
lionhart3001 1 year ago 2
GORDON BROWN FTW!!
QaWsEdYh 1 year ago
What a useless fucking cunt.
BlondeJusticeLives 1 year ago 3
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we dont need your British way of life we only want your infrastructure we send our kids to Islamic schools we have our own banks, markets,etc and shop fronts are written in Arabic so we dont even need your language. British way of life is shit and we dont want to lower ourselves to that. now we need to get rid of that bloody British flag and put up our own and in time that will happen as there are ppl working on it right now. ..
RippingItOpen 1 year ago
legalise tax regulate cannabis it would generate billions
b00353 1 year ago 3
i think he is a bigot !! :)
gush789 1 year ago
@gush789 original
JGx13 1 year ago
Grey haired pric
Lol
jacobr1409 1 year ago
Alcohol is one of the biggest problem drugs that we could ahve legal, however in UK its historical and what happens when its illegal, major crime jump. take the fucking hint, legalise the weed.
tamazrevak 1 year ago
Shut up you fucking cocksucker.
sfurner 1 year ago 2
@mufcCurt they can both kill you
if you drunk pure alcohol you would need vertually nothing to kill you
xxouttamyheadxx09 1 year ago
did he say "young people"
wow blame YOUR ENGINERED drugs on us
Rob0wns 1 year ago
Brazen liar. VOTE UKIP
jilltanjill 1 year ago
@jilltanjill I agree, If your a real Brit, vote UKIP, its in your interest!
ecotts 1 year ago
Making it illegal doesn't stop people using it you fucking johnnies. If anything more attention's been drawn to it now.
Deadbolt277 1 year ago
How can the world be in debt to itself? That's right.....IT CANT! Which means we must owe to someone or something here on earth. So who is it? If money makes the world go round and is the lifeblood of all social institutions then this point seems like one of the biggest for the human race to consider. You will not find the answer in the media, politics or religion. Watch zeitgeist addendum and prepare to find out who owns you.
fibbsabaddy 1 year ago
@fibbsabaddy i think its the indipendant monetry fund
policematrix 1 year ago
@policematrix Quite right. We are slaves and you are only worth your current wealth. Wealth creates wealth. Proven by the fact 1% owns 40% of the wealth. Have you seen zeitgeist addendum?
fibbsabaddy 1 year ago
Methadrone wasn't the problem it was the people that used it. Mixing it with ecasty speed and acid caused the problems .
imperialbooner 1 year ago
@imperialbooner
trueeeeee
xxouttamyheadxx09 1 year ago
Drinking alcohol has a greater impact on society and NHS than cannabis would ever have. Extra police is needed for drunken behaviour and public order as well as treatment for alcoholics and liver damage, not to mention the violence in relationships. Over abused of anything can cause harm. Professors have backed up the legalisation of cannabis, because if government controlled the cultivation of the plant the levels of CBD which has the opposite effect of physcosis developing could be increased
curtis044 1 year ago
The Lib Dems are the only ones who have said they will have an evidence-based drugs policy and take the advice of the scientific advisers.
jmebag1 1 year ago
@jmebag1 That's the ONLY good thing the Lib Dems propose, everything else is bullshit.
If you want 60.000 criminals released from prison early, if you want £ road tolls, if you want an immigration free for all, if you fancy ditching the £ for the Euro, if you want more EU bureaucracy, if you want a defenceless country plunged into power cuts and if you want to be banned from flying the St Georges flag, then vote Liberal Democrats!
bmk139 1 year ago
@bmk139 If UKIP were truly libertarian they would have no immigration policies. Read Friedmans ideas on immigration, then perhaps you would understand.
rikhurley 1 year ago
LEGALISE CANNABIS!!! its the most harmless, peaceful drug!, AND its a fucking PLANT!! how can the Government decide that a PLANT is illegal??!
tiddlywinks98712 1 year ago
YOU ARE AN IDIOT GORDON. "we have to go thorugh the scientific enquires" BUT WILL YOU LISTEN TO THEM??? hell NO!!! you'll sack the scientists who tell you the facts, and just do what you want anyway - THIS IS WHY WE HAVE HAD ENOUGH, you take us for fools
TechState 1 year ago 28
@TechState <----What he said!!
ecotts 1 year ago
im not voting i think more people vote for whos gonna be the next dorathy than the election well to be honest i dont blame them whos with me !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TheJembo1 1 year ago
@TheJembo1 You still have a protest vote.
RevengeofShinobi1 1 year ago
@TechState amen
artiscrap 1 year ago
oh look everyone, he listens to advices now. except the ones that disagree with him...prick
stivante 1 year ago 10
@stivante Yup, a true bigot, and an arrogant, deluded, narcissistic socio-path if ever there was one. Fuck NewLabour, bunch of self serving, useless cunts the lot of them!
bmk139 1 year ago
@stivante gordons a prick
LowaKitgirl 1 year ago
In a world where 1% of the world control 40% of the wealth, 50% earn less than 2 dollars a day, 60% have never used a phone, 100 million tons of waste is floating in the pacific and a 6th of the population is starving something is obvious, our political and social institutions do not work. We need a new approach. Watch 'zeitgeist addendum' online to find out the more.
'We can not solve the problems of today by using the same thought process we used when we created them' Albert Einstein.
fibbsabaddy 1 year ago
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In a world where 1% of the world control 40% of the wealth, 50% earn less than 2 dollars a day, 60% have never used a phone, 100 million tons of waste is floating in the pacific and a 6th of the population is starving something is obvious, our political and social institutions do not work. We need a new approach. Watch 'zeitgeist addendum' online to find out the more.
'We can not solve the problems of today by using the same thought process we used when we created them' Albert Einstein.
fibbsabaddy 1 year ago
@dudevandude
Could you please cite your sources?
BelfastAtheist 1 year ago
this would be wayyyy more interesting if they took "policy" off the end of this title
jackboytheblue 1 year ago
Gordon & his party are a bunch of ****s, they've dragged us in to two wars and are largely to blame for all of the death of our troops & innocent people in Afghan & Iraq. They've allowed our country to fall in to recession, lost millions of us our homes & jobs. They bailed out the banks then paid the bankers a bonus with our tax money.
He opened the doors to Europe & swamped our culture with everyone else.
He sold our gold reserves for next to nothing + he's never been elected
He's a disgrace
ecotts 1 year ago 2
@ecotts Fucking Amen to your post.
Couldn't of put it better.
Geemonster69 1 year ago
Not really "discussing drugs policy", just plant food. Whats his policy on sacking his advisors on the subject? Just because he doesn't agree with their opinion, the people who know a great deal more about the science behind it. Ok it was Johnson who sacked David Knut, but still. If alcohol is legal because because most people can be responsible why not other drugs? Half of parliament confessed to have smoked weed not long ago! Law breaking politicians, who'd have thought?
joshensor 1 year ago
Its MEPHEDRONE not methadrone, no wonder their drug policy is in such a mess.
methylene5 1 year ago 2
B. I. G. O. T.
brown is going on thursday
MUBINRoo 1 year ago
@MUBINRoo lol good'un. B.I.G.O.T print that on your posters Brownole!
happydaiz82 1 year ago
i like apples
weegogo123 1 year ago
@weegogo123 me to yum yum :P
MUBINRoo 1 year ago
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UmmahTube 1 year ago
@UmmahTube
either you're a troll or just really really retarded. so... which one do you pick?
DoodlesPepsiFreak 1 year ago
@UmmahTube Twat
ultidarkrex 1 year ago
Drug laws are a joke. Even God failed in his attempts at prohibition. all he suceeded in doing was making the apples seem more tempting. I'm sure he created various mind altering plants at the same time but he didn't have a problem with Adam and Eve consuming as much of them as they liked, just leave those nice, jucy, sweet smelling apples alone. That worked well didn't it?
You will only ever control drug use by legalising, regulating and educating if you believe otherwise you are a fool
RollandSmokeAB 1 year ago
@mufcCurt If you look at the votes on all the video's you'll see that Clegg is miles ahead on nearly all of them. If this translates to how people vote in the election then yes they could win. However you'll never hear that from any of the media as they continue to tell you over and over again that they can't. It's that age old trick , tell people something often enough and they'll believe it. Remember all the media has left or right wing bias. If they cannot win we cannot call this a democracy
RollandSmokeAB 1 year ago
@RollandSmokeAB Indeed! Clegg can win,and i think he will if the electorate votes with it's head,and not it's arse.
Geemonster69 1 year ago
By concentrating on cannabis you're creating a nation of addicts because there's Heroin everywhere,it's so easy to get round here,weed is hard to get. Now that is ludicrous wouldn't you agree?
Geemonster69 1 year ago
@mufcCurt So you think its acceptable to steal money from those who are wealthier than you through coercion? What divine right states that you deserve their money?
rikhurley 1 year ago
Vote for legalis cannabis
not ruin my young life and uthers!
still u ceep fags beer on shelf
mAyBurGiDyAnTY 1 year ago
cigarettes and alcohol kill more poeple then drugs but the government dont care as long as they rich
pav07 1 year ago
@pav07 That statement is idiotic, the reason they do is becuase of the availability, and why is the fact they kill people a bad thing? People exercise their autonomy and choose to take them....
rikhurley 1 year ago
@rikhurley I think pav07 is trying to get at the point that cannabis has some health hazzards attributed to it like cigs and booze. But cannabis also has many benefits that are yet undiscovered, for example it has shown to dent alzheimer progression on top of its known analgesic properties for those with chronic pain. and not to mention helping those on chemo regain their appetite.
speedemon1234 1 year ago
@speedemon1234, I didn't deny that cannabis has health benefits, although I think it would be a fallacy to embark on an argument that it is good for you. I don't care whether it is good for you, things shouldn't be legal because somebody deemed that are good for you, everything should be legal, its up to you to decide whether you want to take it.
rikhurley 1 year ago
@rikhurley im just saying you that cigs and booze kills more people then drugs and yet they both are legal and apart from the people who make them the government make money on it aswell
pav07 1 year ago
You said you were going to listen to scientific evidence. Then when you didn't like what the scientists said ,you sacked them.
You're a hypocritical twat,get the fuck out of office.
Geemonster69 1 year ago
5-IAI (5-Iodo-2-Aminoindane) will be the next mephedrone. Maybe in a year they'll ban this after its use explodes, and then something new will come out. Endless cycle. People just want MDMA, they should just make its use regulated, at least the long term effects are known. Thats why im voting LIBDEM, give the scientist the control over regulation, not the goverment, the war on drugs is going no where.
fffffff3ff3 1 year ago
@fffffff3ff3 cannabis has been illegal since the 1920's. and after 8 decades what is the result of the 'war on drugs?' the UK is now a net exporter of it!
Indica1987 1 year ago
If you don't listen to the scientists, relying on data and evidence and instead go with populist policies to keep Daily Mail readers happy, frankly I have no time for you. Areas with active methodrone programmes have seen some of the largest reductions in crime across the country. Coincidence? Of course not. If a junkie has no alternative of COURSE he'll go back to crime to pay for heroin.
NotEvsie 1 year ago
@NotEvsie mephodrone programmes what ???
your telling me that people are burgaling houses for mephadrome fuck off you soft cunt and are you telling me mephadrome users will take heroin as a substitute your living in a different world
people do crime for lots of different reasons but you think its the cats meow crew ha ha ha
policematrix 1 year ago
@policematrix Heroin addicts commit crime to feed their addiction. Where an alternative to heroin is provided for free, they no longer need to commit crime to feed the habit. There have been countless studies carried out by the police, the NHS and independent bodies that prove it. Data and evidence, not media led populist BS, should inform policy decisions.
NotEvsie 1 year ago
@NotEvsie It's mephadrdrome not methadone they're 2 completely different drugs.
Geemonster69 1 year ago
@NotEvsie I AGREE
but we were talking about mephadrome wernt we
policematrix 1 year ago
hes a BIGOTED man
policematrix 1 year ago 10
On drugs policy? He's only talking about one drug, even though drugs cause immense problems in society they also sooth the pain of others who need release. Cannabis SHOULD be legalized, BUT ONLY for the terminally ill. Some people have so much pain during their day to day lives and their doctor can't help. Some patients allready use it but are constantly in fear of a police raid.
TequilaTommy 1 year ago
@TequilaTommy
why just for the terminaly ill im fit as a fiddle but i love smokin weed wats up with that its my body and mind and ill do as i please no matter what the law on drugs say
your right in that it should at least be decriminalised cause we all fear getting our door booted in by the heavy handed police who treat you as a hardened criminal even though you abide by all other laws
ive allways said if it dosnt harm anyone ells then its blatently not a crime its the year 2010 ffucks sake
policematrix 1 year ago
@dudevandude LOL.
BBiain 1 year ago
all he basically said was "methadrone" is bad. it's mephedrone you total moron! HE DOESN'T EVEN KNOW WHAT IT'S CALLED. He is just jumping on the propaganda bandwagon and saying what everyone wants to hear. Mephedrone is a problem? not really, it was blown out of proportion. What is his drugs policy then?
suckmeoffsophie 1 year ago
Camping noob, oh sorry wrong video...
TheBlackDelorian 1 year ago 2
@TheBlackDelorian i like it ;)
adamtommo2k6 1 year ago
what an idiot, drug prohibition does not work! firstly the government has no right to tell anyone what they can do with their own body, its called self ownership i own me and nobody has any right to tell me what to do unless i take that freedom from someone else, harm or fraud someone else or their property. and secondly it just doesnt work, look at alcohol prohibition in the USA, we have the same thing with drugs.
ImEuanAndIGotsSkeelz 1 year ago
ALCOHOL HAS BEEN A FUCKING PROBLEM ! why not make that illegal too you fucking idiots
b00353 1 year ago 27
@b00353 - How many have resigned from the drug advisory council? Practically all of them. The government employ science and medical advisors and then completely ignore them....While 100's of 1000's die of smoking and drinking related illnesses, and live with the broken life alcoholism gives them....The hypocrisy is breathtaking... They only see drugs and a voting issue. To be seen to be doing something rather than facing the reality of the situation.
rogan71 1 year ago
@b00353 not trying to get into a retarded little youtube comment argument but have you never thought that maybe the alcohol itself isnt the problem? its the people who drink themselves into a coma every other night that are the problem, i dont see why the majority should have to suffer with an alcohol ban just because the minority cant realise when enough is enough
Nunneywiggles 1 year ago
@b00353 Well, you see there was a thing called "probation" in the US which made alcohol illegal. People just wanted to drink and criminals (mafia etc) were the ones selling it and made HUGE profits. You can't ban alcohol because there are a lot of people who love it.
JinRenegade 1 year ago
@b00353 Because the treasury makes £billions from alcohol.
bmk139 1 year ago
Should have been jumped on so much quicker by the government its been around years now and its fucking bad for you
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StatikMix 1 year ago
Also;
A) He's saying it wrong.. It's mephedrone, not methodrone
B) Did he just admit to pretty much taking Alan Johnsons advice as gospel before doing any scientific research, or have I just entered the twilight zone? (Johnson being a man with a history of ignoring hard scientific evidence if it doesn't exactly match his stubborn made up opinions on various drugs)
The really dangerous thing about a lot of drugs is that they are sold in an environment where there are no standards of quality.
hywel87 1 year ago 3
The twat hasn't a fucking clue
selfishmajority 1 year ago
no ones ever died from weed
SenserAwe 1 year ago 3
Smoke a big fat joint mr Brown and chill the fuck out. Legalise weed, sell it in cafes and tax it. Drinking will go down and fighting will go down. Didn't the British medical board say that sugar was worse for you than weed.
SenserAwe 1 year ago
Yes, talk just a little more quieter and a little more boring ... that will make me want to give me your vote!
Jibber jabber, quite literally under your breath may have gotten Labour elected these last couple of elections... Too bad...
we've finally managed to stay away through your bullshit and clean our ears enough so we can hear all the crap!
Labour ...FAIL!
MakeUupbyRJJ 1 year ago
thats my old school :)
DJRazUK01 1 year ago
Fuck off Labour!!!!!!
Villain1874 1 year ago
I couldn't care less about the legal status of chemical highs... but why are natural psychedelics such as mushrooms and cannabis illegal. They are plants of the earth and the criminalization of nature is the true crime.
foolsroad71 1 year ago
Surely he means Mephedrone and not Methadrone?? Fail
richieerror 1 year ago
Really now, meph and cannabis are unhealthy. They might not kill you but that doesn't mean they're safe!
And we just can't ban alcohol, it would be like suddenly banning petrol!
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
@VeltasVandegere In what way would it?
123JoeD456 1 year ago
@VeltasVandegere Cannabis is not unhealthy, smoking it is.
MERULZ69 1 year ago
Do not vote, It only encourages them. Instead look into the ideas of the Venus project. The only tangible way to a better future beyond politics, poverty and war.
Remember that none are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
fibbsabaddy 1 year ago
typical response, small majority of the public say ban it and the government hop to it, want to listen to the people who use it for a change? banning it hasnt stopped me using it, just more money out of my pocket, and i doubt the amount of users has gone down since the ban, theres been no scientific link between meph and the deaths its apparently caused, alcohol and smoking are more addictive and dangerous, ban them as well, boring scottish git
matt4mcfc 1 year ago
Someone ought to beat the living daylights out of this traitor.
stepheng1483 1 year ago
whos that fag in the video?
oh its gordon brown. what a fag
CurlyAlexX 1 year ago
why try and Legalise weed etc, we're still gonna take it Legal or fucking not (; :P so UP YOURS GORDAN BROWN...
DJWilburC 1 year ago
"Used to create wars by young people"? Erm, that's really watching a house burning down and commenting on how poorly the windows are made; you're being too specific.
But overall, I'm in agreement. 'Legal high'. Anything that has the word 'legal' in it as a selling point is going to be dodgy. It doesn't help that it is in fact very unhealthy for you.
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
@VeltasVandegere
"used in the way it was" *
jamesdavidpettitt 1 year ago
@jamesdavidpettitt
Thank you, I admit my hearing is a bit off today.
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
Obviously, however, there is the brilliant counter-argument that alcohol is far worse on your mind, body and health. Yes, this is true. Why is it allowed then? Because despite all its troubles, alcohol is a massive industry in the UK (funding workers, not just factory owners), and such a familiar thing that people have far better knowledge about its dangers. Not only that, but the selling point of why we shouldn't ban alcohol is looking at the prohibition that occurred in the USA.
VeltasVandegere 1 year ago
Gordon Broon is on drugs himself if he thinks Labour will win the election!
ToonandBBfan 1 year ago
if you are gonna get anywhere for real you need evidence based policy otherwise you are just distorting the world even more.. after all we are dealing with reality here aren't we? What you sack evidenced based advisors? Der... like I would vote for anyone so stupid.. your track record and grasp on reality and evidence is just awful mate and unfortunately not just on drugs policy.. little busienss of a war based on a lie too.. mmm.. isn't that illegal? why aren't you lot in jail yet?
bongojohnuk 1 year ago
@bongojohnuk I really like what you said there,my thoughts exactly.
Geemonster69 1 year ago
might do a fat line now tbh...
2cbeat 1 year ago
Just think, if labour do get booted out then brown will go down as the most useless prime minister(UN-elected BTW) that ever graced the shores of this great nation, nice :)
Peace
concernedagain 1 year ago
mephedrone is baaaaaaaangin
tolington 1 year ago
LEGALIZE WEEEEEEEEEEED
lolcleary 1 year ago
I have noticed with the comments that more and more people are getting used to the same ol drug policy bullshit, LISTEN to the PEOPLE and NOT media moguls mr unelected brown and you 'may' get some voters back, mind you, this guy did say that cannabis is leathal?(just look up the word lethal, cannabis and lethal go together like baby powder and 3rd degree burns)
concernedagain 1 year ago
UR A FUKIN NOBEND GORDON AND U LOOK LYK A BAWBAG SO SHUT THE FUK UP, fukin wanker
Aaron94ism 1 year ago
"Obviously we have to go through the scientific enquiries...but I think it's clear to me that methadrone poses a difficulty when used in the way it was."
So, Brown doesn't need the science for clarity - his mind is made up already. I suppose that's pretty obvious from the appalling mistreatment of scientists on the advisory panel in the past few months.
Swonderificity 1 year ago