Hi Justin, using the the "thumb over" technique to play the d/F# chord, if im not supposed to strum the A string, how do i mute it or not strum into it ? Should I be muting this string with the same thumb ?
How can you possibly dislike this video ? I don't understand some folks.
At 26, I'm self-teaching myself how to play and if it wasn't for these invaluable FREE lessons given by AMAZING tutors like JUSTIN, playing guitar would only be a pipe dream for many of us.
Just last week, I was wondering why John Meyer sometimes uses his thumb to play chords....I had a no one to ask, so this remained unanswered until I watched this video.....D / F#.... :)
"A suspended chord, or "sus chord" is a chord in which the third is delayed by either of its dissonant neighbouring notes"
It's that simple spoddie. Note the word "delayed" and not "replaced" as you seem to believe. I don't expect you to learn anything or admit that you had no clue. Cheers.
@musiccalgary from same article you were too lazy to read properly
"In traditional music theory the inclusion of the third in either chord would negate the suspension, so such chords would be called added ninth and added eleventh chords instead."
@spoddie No spoddie, you are simply misunderstanding. The third is not an inclusion. It (or the root) is simply where the suspended note typically leads. (not always) Suspended chords are derived from counterpoint where a voice is "suspended" from the previous chord -- ergo "suspended".
Further, in modern practice jazzers can include a 3 in a suspended chord (and do) to add density. This also adds dissonance though, to what extent depends on the voicing, whether the 4 is above/below the 3, etc.
@musiccalgary You're a fucking moron. You came on here misunderstanding and not bothering to read the context of my comments and now you are trying to lecture me on suspended chords, which you don't understand. The quote above supports exactly what I said, the difference between sus2 and add9 is the third. Funny how wikipedia is a useful source when you think it supports your case but you quietly ignore it when it doesn't.
What's your problem, moron? You have OCD or maternal separation issues?
The F# is a pedal note (piano terminology) and is not the third. As there is no third in the chord, the E is acting as the third - hence sus2 - not acting as the added ninth.
@spoddie I didn't see any Dsus2/F# in this video... (upon which I was commenting obviously)
As to the 2/9 thing, I was taught the difference between a 2 and a 9 is an octave. Same note, different place, i.e. the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th.
@musiccalgary several people were discussing the chord at 3:00. The difference between sus2 and add9 is the presence of a major or minor third, scales have nothing to do with it. An F# in the bass will not act as a major third.
@spoddie Spoddie, functionally a 2 and 9 are not the same thing. Suspensions are more about melodic movement than harmonic structure. Context is everything. To say that the only difference between a sus2 and add9 is the presence of a 3rd completely ignores the entire context of the chords and that is not the goal of a musician using said chords.
Back in the day when suspensions were driving tension and release in church music they didn't use chord progressions in the modern sense.
@spoddie Spoddie, read please where I wrote "i.e." ... C major. It was just an example. You seem super keen on telling others they have to read your posts better then you misread theirs? :)
@musiccalgary e.g. is example. i.e. means "that is". Your example made no sense, in C major the second note is the 2. It's the same for every single major scale, that's not an example that a rule. An example would be: the second in a C major scale is a D note. By referring to F# as the third I am continuing with the actual chord in discussion, not going off on your silly non-example.
Yes, context is everything. The context here is a man playing a chord on a guitar in the 21st Century.
@spoddie Actually "i.e." means "that is to say" or "in other words" which is, of course, obviously appropriate usage to introduce an example such as that presented below.
If "the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th" made no sense to you in the context of my post then god help you on this. Cheers.
@spoddie Terrible stuff to say, I wish you some happiness and peace brother.
End of day we're all here to learn from Justin, whom I consider absolutely superb. So let's avoid mean stuff and just leave the thread for that, eh? At least out of respect for Justin.
@musiccalgary Id est = "that is". wiki: "It is often misinterpreted as "for example."
In your "example" the reference to C major is meaningless as you never base anything on it. "the second note of ANY major scale is the 2 " and that is not an example, that is a rule. An example would be the "second of C major is D". But I doubt you'll get it the 2nd time I explain it to you, let alone understand you're confusing scale intervals and chord spelling
@spoddie "The context here is a man playing a chord on a guitar in the 21st Century."
Spoddie, context is about where the chord is going, where it came from, what everyone else in the band is playing behind it. Chords are not abstract building blocks which are independent of those factors. Go listen to some Danny Gatton and if you still believe there is only one context for a sus2 chord, listen some more. Cheers. :)
@musiccalgary Time to call you out on being a moron.
You started off not being able to identify the chord I was talking about because you didn't bother reading the *context* of my comment. You lectured me that D chord doesn't have an E in it when I had clearly stated I was talking about Dsus2. You don't know what an example is. And now you're on some ridiculous tangent about context. Chord spellings follow specific rules and you seem to be completely clueless about them.
@spoddie Name calling, the inevitable refuge of folks without better options...
Chords are not abstract concepts, they are the building blocks of music. You need to make music with them to understand their function. Context is all about usage, and function is all about context. It would be pointless to elaborate further since it appears this is not your intent when discussing them.
Chord function is all about context. Really. Don't take it from me, ask a music teacher. Cheers.
@musiccalgary No one was talking about function, we were talking about chord spelling. This context and function shit was your pointless diversion after missing the original point - chord spelling - something you've shown you simply don't understand.
@spoddie Spoddie, chord construction is a very simple thing. If you are attempting to wield a sus2 recipe as some sort of profound knowledge you're off the track. I'm proud you know it but be assured, I've spent enough time using these chords to understand them.
Bottom line. You aren't going to agree with anyone on anything unless it matches your preconceived notions so it's fruitless. Cheers mate.
@musiccalgary I was simply trying to help some people. You're the idiot who couldn't be bothered reading the *context* and tried to tell me I was wrong. You can't even read what's in front of you but now you're off on some ridiculous tangent about context and functionality.
You're lonely and insane. I suggest you get a pet. And a music theory book.
Here's the simple facts. If you are here to explain suspended chords to others you should understand them better than the person you seek to help. I don't have the same level of understanding as Justin, however I do understand that the word suspended is a descriptor vis-a-vis the function of the note which delays the third, e.g. the second or the fourth.
@spoddie Well sure it's about function. It's always about function. THAT'S the point mate. Discussing chords without giving any consideration to their function is just not something skilled musicians do. Don't take it from me, ask one! Cheers.
Spoddie, here's a simple way to settle all this. Go tell any professional music educator that the E is "acting as the third" in the following note group, D-E-A and let us know how it pans out. :)
@spoddie Chord "spellings" as you call them are extremely simple. The basics of chord construction never seems to consume many pages of any given method book.
Understanding how chords function, then using that knowledge to create compelling music is a lifelong pursuit. Chord function is neither static nor simple. Listen to some Lenny Breau. A real ear/eye opener. :)
@musiccalgary "Chord "spellings" as you call them are extremely simple. The basics of chord construction never seems to consume many pages of any given method book."
Then I suggest you get one of those books and study it.
@spoddie Nope, you've simply lost the plot mate, i.e. this makes perfect sense to everyone but yourself:
As to the 2/9 thing, I was taught the difference between a 2 and a 9 is an octave. Same note, different place. IN OTHER WORDS the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th.
Nothing wrong with that, or my usage. Don't take it from me, ask an English teacher. Cheers. :)
It could be a Dsus2/F# or a Dadd9/F# because after all in the D major scale the second and the 9th are the same note... E. i would almost just say it is a Dadd9 (no /F#) because the F# is in the D chord anyways you're just adding the E
just FYI to anyone reading this i often play D/F# with my first finger on the low F# the next 2 strings open mute the g string 3rd finger on the D of the 2nd string and the with my 2nd finger play the high F#....... did that sound as confusing as i think it did?
I would say if the neck so big that it's out of your comfort zone, then you should do yourself the favor of finding a guitar that suits your needs. I personally play a strat because I find the guitar makes a man out of you. When I pick up a Les paul, I feel like someone who drove a truck all his life and made a transfer to a car.
D/G sounds good too
arcopizzicato 3 weeks ago
My g with a base base sounds completly different what am i doing wrong
predjee 4 months ago
good video, and a beautiful guitar. inlays are neat
Fldzpln11 8 months ago
Honestly, these videos are bloody FANTASTIC.
You're a truly professional teacher.
alonsb2006 10 months ago
Hi Justin, using the the "thumb over" technique to play the d/F# chord, if im not supposed to strum the A string, how do i mute it or not strum into it ? Should I be muting this string with the same thumb ?
brobro565656 11 months ago
How can you possibly dislike this video ? I don't understand some folks.
At 26, I'm self-teaching myself how to play and if it wasn't for these invaluable FREE lessons given by AMAZING tutors like JUSTIN, playing guitar would only be a pipe dream for many of us.
Just last week, I was wondering why John Meyer sometimes uses his thumb to play chords....I had a no one to ask, so this remained unanswered until I watched this video.....D / F#.... :)
You must be a complete Moron to click dislike.
brobro565656 11 months ago
SUSPENDED CHORD DEFINITION
"A suspended chord, or "sus chord" is a chord in which the third is delayed by either of its dissonant neighbouring notes"
It's that simple spoddie. Note the word "delayed" and not "replaced" as you seem to believe. I don't expect you to learn anything or admit that you had no clue. Cheers.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary from same article you were too lazy to read properly
"In traditional music theory the inclusion of the third in either chord would negate the suspension, so such chords would be called added ninth and added eleventh chords instead."
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie No spoddie, you are simply misunderstanding. The third is not an inclusion. It (or the root) is simply where the suspended note typically leads. (not always) Suspended chords are derived from counterpoint where a voice is "suspended" from the previous chord -- ergo "suspended".
Further, in modern practice jazzers can include a 3 in a suspended chord (and do) to add density. This also adds dissonance though, to what extent depends on the voicing, whether the 4 is above/below the 3, etc.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary You're a fucking moron. You came on here misunderstanding and not bothering to read the context of my comments and now you are trying to lecture me on suspended chords, which you don't understand. The quote above supports exactly what I said, the difference between sus2 and add9 is the third. Funny how wikipedia is a useful source when you think it supports your case but you quietly ignore it when it doesn't.
What's your problem, moron? You have OCD or maternal separation issues?
spoddie 1 year ago
i swear i thought this was about Slash from Guns N' Roses! lol
ashatteredspirit 1 year ago
@ashatteredspirit Me to
SigurdF96 1 year ago
So basicaly a slash chord is a chord with a note at the same time right
klumbow 1 year ago
"Slash chords are nothing to do with 'Slash' from Guns & Roses". I was so releaved to here that!
Strawberry7Lynn 1 year ago
haha i thought this was slash slash. not slash /. but slash slash
MrCanadian01 1 year ago
That is easy lesson to follow and I like the clarity of your new videos.
Cheers!
stevalianarbone 1 year ago
thank you, very clearly explained
foreyez 1 year ago
He sounds like Jon Tickle from Brainiac.
FrankBlazeNL 2 years ago
Radiohead use a C/G in ending of Last Flowers, it really seems to make the chord progression something special.
09tmk 2 years ago
I almost always substitute C/G for C. Love that chord. Sounds full and mellow. :)
VykkDraygoTHEM 2 years ago 2
Wouldn't the chord be at 3:00 be a
Dsus4/F#?
TheSixthPartofSeven 2 years ago
I guess you meant Dsus2/F#?
At leas thtat's what i called it when I found it in a song. =P
DuskY1991 2 years ago
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G0c09 2 years ago
It's Dsus2/F#.
The F# is a pedal note (piano terminology) and is not the third. As there is no third in the chord, the E is acting as the third - hence sus2 - not acting as the added ninth.
spoddie 2 years ago 5
I guess I was right then, thanks for your explanation. =)
DuskY1991 2 years ago
My mistake then. Thanks for correcting me :)
G0c09 2 years ago
@spoddie No, you don't play the open E string in a D/F#...
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary I didn't say D/F#, I said Dsus2/F# but you would have had to read and understand what I wrote.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie I didn't see any Dsus2/F# in this video... (upon which I was commenting obviously)
As to the 2/9 thing, I was taught the difference between a 2 and a 9 is an octave. Same note, different place, i.e. the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary several people were discussing the chord at 3:00. The difference between sus2 and add9 is the presence of a major or minor third, scales have nothing to do with it. An F# in the bass will not act as a major third.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie Spoddie, functionally a 2 and 9 are not the same thing. Suspensions are more about melodic movement than harmonic structure. Context is everything. To say that the only difference between a sus2 and add9 is the presence of a 3rd completely ignores the entire context of the chords and that is not the goal of a musician using said chords.
Back in the day when suspensions were driving tension and release in church music they didn't use chord progressions in the modern sense.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie Spoddie, read please where I wrote "i.e." ... C major. It was just an example. You seem super keen on telling others they have to read your posts better then you misread theirs? :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary e.g. is example. i.e. means "that is". Your example made no sense, in C major the second note is the 2. It's the same for every single major scale, that's not an example that a rule. An example would be: the second in a C major scale is a D note. By referring to F# as the third I am continuing with the actual chord in discussion, not going off on your silly non-example.
Yes, context is everything. The context here is a man playing a chord on a guitar in the 21st Century.
spoddie 1 year ago
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@spoddie Actually "i.e." means "that is to say" or "in other words" which is, of course, obviously appropriate usage to introduce an example such as that presented below.
If "the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th" made no sense to you in the context of my post then god help you on this. Cheers.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
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spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie Terrible stuff to say, I wish you some happiness and peace brother.
End of day we're all here to learn from Justin, whom I consider absolutely superb. So let's avoid mean stuff and just leave the thread for that, eh? At least out of respect for Justin.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary Id est = "that is". wiki: "It is often misinterpreted as "for example."
In your "example" the reference to C major is meaningless as you never base anything on it. "the second note of ANY major scale is the 2 " and that is not an example, that is a rule. An example would be the "second of C major is D". But I doubt you'll get it the 2nd time I explain it to you, let alone understand you're confusing scale intervals and chord spelling
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie "The context here is a man playing a chord on a guitar in the 21st Century."
Spoddie, context is about where the chord is going, where it came from, what everyone else in the band is playing behind it. Chords are not abstract building blocks which are independent of those factors. Go listen to some Danny Gatton and if you still believe there is only one context for a sus2 chord, listen some more. Cheers. :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary Time to call you out on being a moron.
You started off not being able to identify the chord I was talking about because you didn't bother reading the *context* of my comment. You lectured me that D chord doesn't have an E in it when I had clearly stated I was talking about Dsus2. You don't know what an example is. And now you're on some ridiculous tangent about context. Chord spellings follow specific rules and you seem to be completely clueless about them.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie Name calling, the inevitable refuge of folks without better options...
Chords are not abstract concepts, they are the building blocks of music. You need to make music with them to understand their function. Context is all about usage, and function is all about context. It would be pointless to elaborate further since it appears this is not your intent when discussing them.
Chord function is all about context. Really. Don't take it from me, ask a music teacher. Cheers.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary No one was talking about function, we were talking about chord spelling. This context and function shit was your pointless diversion after missing the original point - chord spelling - something you've shown you simply don't understand.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie Spoddie, chord construction is a very simple thing. If you are attempting to wield a sus2 recipe as some sort of profound knowledge you're off the track. I'm proud you know it but be assured, I've spent enough time using these chords to understand them.
Bottom line. You aren't going to agree with anyone on anything unless it matches your preconceived notions so it's fruitless. Cheers mate.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary I was simply trying to help some people. You're the idiot who couldn't be bothered reading the *context* and tried to tell me I was wrong. You can't even read what's in front of you but now you're off on some ridiculous tangent about context and functionality.
You're lonely and insane. I suggest you get a pet. And a music theory book.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie More name calling. Super impressive.
Here's the simple facts. If you are here to explain suspended chords to others you should understand them better than the person you seek to help. I don't have the same level of understanding as Justin, however I do understand that the word suspended is a descriptor vis-a-vis the function of the note which delays the third, e.g. the second or the fourth.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie Well sure it's about function. It's always about function. THAT'S the point mate. Discussing chords without giving any consideration to their function is just not something skilled musicians do. Don't take it from me, ask one! Cheers.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie THE SPODDIE KNOWS BETTER CHALLENGE!
Spoddie, here's a simple way to settle all this. Go tell any professional music educator that the E is "acting as the third" in the following note group, D-E-A and let us know how it pans out. :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie Chord "spellings" as you call them are extremely simple. The basics of chord construction never seems to consume many pages of any given method book.
Understanding how chords function, then using that knowledge to create compelling music is a lifelong pursuit. Chord function is neither static nor simple. Listen to some Lenny Breau. A real ear/eye opener. :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary "Chord "spellings" as you call them are extremely simple. The basics of chord construction never seems to consume many pages of any given method book."
Then I suggest you get one of those books and study it.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie If it would help you find the plot I'd read twenty of them mate. Cheers.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie Nope, you've simply lost the plot mate, i.e. this makes perfect sense to everyone but yourself:
As to the 2/9 thing, I was taught the difference between a 2 and a 9 is an octave. Same note, different place. IN OTHER WORDS the second note of a C major scale is the 2 while the 9th note of a [two octave] C major scale is a 9th.
Nothing wrong with that, or my usage. Don't take it from me, ask an English teacher. Cheers. :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@musiccalgary Everyone? You're the only one, everyone else got it straight away. And I was right, you didn't understand it the second time either.
spoddie 1 year ago
@spoddie Precisely what I said, everyone else got it straight away. Now I KNOW you don't read posts before replying to them. Quaint. :)
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie OK, I see. where he says "and then you accidentally hit the open string" and it sounds nice...
musiccalgary 1 year ago
@spoddie Actually the E is not [necessarily] "acting as a third" -- context is everything.
musiccalgary 1 year ago
It could be a Dsus2/F# or a Dadd9/F# because after all in the D major scale the second and the 9th are the same note... E. i would almost just say it is a Dadd9 (no /F#) because the F# is in the D chord anyways you're just adding the E
mabliss 2 years ago
My chord dictionary says that Dadd9/F# and Dsus2/F# are the same, however, Dadd9 looks a bit different.
DuskY1991 2 years ago
just FYI to anyone reading this i often play D/F# with my first finger on the low F# the next 2 strings open mute the g string 3rd finger on the D of the 2nd string and the with my 2nd finger play the high F#....... did that sound as confusing as i think it did?
mabliss 2 years ago
what kind of pickups are on the strat behind u (the bridge pickup)?
is it a humbucker? i looks like a singlecoil :P
kalli199 2 years ago
its called a humcoil, some call it singlebucker..
huyiy 2 years ago
interesting lesson, never heard of these
LRMMcDonnell 2 years ago
Oughta buy a chord book
Ieatbabyseals 2 years ago
Excellent!!!!
loveguitars 2 years ago
using the thumb to fret is so hard =\
muizzizz 2 years ago
Much easier than you think with a well setup guitar. Light gauge strings and low action should help.
dexidous 2 years ago
Doesn't matter if the neck is huge.
Zeoilvia 2 years ago
I would say if the neck so big that it's out of your comfort zone, then you should do yourself the favor of finding a guitar that suits your needs. I personally play a strat because I find the guitar makes a man out of you. When I pick up a Les paul, I feel like someone who drove a truck all his life and made a transfer to a car.
dexidous 2 years ago
I agree. And I play on a strat too :) I'm just saying it's probably muizzizz' problem (That his/her neck is too big)
Zeoilvia 2 years ago
a fatter neck will decipline you to play with better technique because it is a fatter neck and you would have to stretch your fingers out more...
cobracarg 2 years ago
xD I thought that it's about Saul Hudson "Slash"
NOW1K 2 years ago
Cool
Strat0Blues 2 years ago
Love your lessons thanks.
sangolt88 2 years ago
Great, explained v well Justin.
navaraute 2 years ago 2
nice!
najtrows 2 years ago
As usual - clear, concise and helpful :D
MercutioUK2006 2 years ago 17
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xx5y4hxx 2 years ago
just another great justin lesson :)
mean0machine0 2 years ago 4