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The Grafton was great between -250 and +250 above or below sea level. I played it atop Kilimanjaro and my co-eneers said that it sounded a semi-tone flat but I still just kicked ass. And the biscuitry was superb. Calor reigns.
I will tell you guys that that Parker/ King Grafton and others Iv'e played are the best sounding horns Iv'e ever played on. I wish someone would make one out of modern carbon polymers that dont break
Interesting...I know the 6M is a fantastic horn, but the Grafton was supposed to be a TERRIBLE horn. The community claimed that the Grafton was not suitable for pros, but Parker didn't care, it looked cool.
The Grafton plays evenly between registers like a tenor and the sound is very open and uniform all over the horn and it is a big, warm sound. They were made during the war when there were brass shortages. Jackie McClean played the Bird Grafton here in KC when it was put in the museum and he said it far outplayed his Selmer. Maby they have been making saxes out of the wrong materials all these years. I'd love to reproduce it with present day hard polymer carbons
it would be very interesting to see a new plastic saxophone. I'm sure the material (acrylic) has a large effect on the sound. As far as I've heard, Graftons play with a warmer, softer sound more suited for a more traditional, old style jazz like Paul Desmond, regardless I don't care enough about setups to buy a plastic saxophone and risk the money+wrecking it
I'd be afraid to play on the damn thing out of fear that i would break it somehow. That plastic must be fairly brittle by now. I play on a Conn 6M "Metro" (no tuning slide) that sounds VERY close with an old Meyer 5 Medium chamber and a 3 1/2 Van Doren reed that is slightly shaved in order to vibrate just a little more freely.
I think it's funny that so many people know parker for the white brillhart he used with the lady face, yet when he used this horn he switched to a link 5. I have to say from personal experience that the brillhart is MUCH better with the lady face than the link. however the plastic horn is a different story.
Was Bird's white mouthpiece one of the Brilhart "Great Neck NY" series or was it a Tonalin ? I played a Grafton that my KC repair man bought and restored recently...really a great sounding horn. Jackie Mclean also played on this Grafton of Bird's and loved it. It is on display at The American Jazz Museum at 18th and Vine in Kansas City.
Goodness gracious so much BS here. Parker played 2 pieces. A Streamline Tonalin and a Runyon Modele 22. The streamline tonalins are worth over $500 and are a rarity. The modele 22 is $22 from runyon. You can still buy IDENTICAL ones that only have slightly wider rails for reed friendliness. Parker sounds great on anything. Stop worrying on what he plays, get a modern Meyer, get it refaced, shutup and practice
Of all the bullshit on this page SaxophoneProductions...yours finally comes off as the most arrogant...telling people to shut up and practice. Are you the ultimate badass mo fo alto player? It would be nice to lay waste to your arrogant ass sometine on a bandstand somewhere
Are you kidding me? So let's get this straight, you're criticizing me for recommending to practice rather than spends thousands on a setup. Just cause you play a Streamline tonalin doesn't that you get instant chops. Its called the "chops in the box" syndrome. Arrogant players think that good equipment will make them better. No I'm not a god player, but I'll tell you that ANY good player I've met has had a situation where something breaks and they use a Yamaha 4C for a pro gig
No, your'e right bro that a mouthpiece doesnt make a player or a "sound" or anything. Those things are hard fought for and take years of shedding. It's just that all this mouthpiece search is innocent on the part of young players and you could be a little nicer and more tolerant. After all...it's only music.,not war. I have sometimes played on one of Bird's altos,the one he borrowed from John Jenkins,nice old Conn 6M and Iv'e played on the Grafton in the museum...didnt sound like Bird , just me
Right as right can be. The greatest living sax player. To see him play Lush Life at the Bull's Head is as good as it gets. And I haven't done it for more than a year now as I have moved away. Must make the effort. Thanks for a good post.
Mmm-mm! Man, how I wish I could've been alive back when Charlie was still up and kicken. But it's cool, my dad's so old he met Charlie once and was a huge fan. My dad's a jazz dumbest, I myself play Alto sax. Jazz band tomarrow, can't wait (I'm the youngest, yet highest chair ^.^)
No point regretting what can't be changed kid. Think, you might have live before Charlie Parker and never got to hear him in any form. What you can do is get along and hear Peter King, I promise it will go a long way to make up for missing Bird.
F@#kn brilliant. go pete. nice one. I saw pete play several times in london. Blew my brains out everytime. Bop lines played this well are timeless. always hip. Bebop vocab and vintage horns are tools, it's what you do with them that make them special. thanks for the clip bary. pedro
I have 2 of this , ___oldhorn__com__ , my site I am acollector , they really play like this , with this sound , Charlie own only a king sterling alto ,
I never knew Charlie Parker had "a" horn. He had several, some (most...)not his, and often pawned. Perhaps this is simply one of the many that seemed to end up in his hands. Here we've got a Michael brecker type sound coming out of Charlie's horn, methinks.
man, that fellow really does the horn justice!! I never heard of him before, I have a conn bari that very likely Harry Carney owned for a spell and sold on the road in S.F. in the 40's to a guy who's grandson sold to me...but no way of really knowing, it's a great story though.... horn do retain the vibes of former players, not that I can prove it mind you!
Sounds good..I personally could never play Bird's alto for fear of being struck dead by some bolt from a Parker lp playing somewhere..I guess I'll be chastised for saying this.Oh well.I guess Bird would be happy his horn was singing again.
Peter King, one of the few remaining iconic British jazz musos from the 60s. The Grafton was an English horn, and what better representative than Pete. Great player and a really nice guy too. All you US guys check out Tubby Hayes on this site too...he was another stormin Brit!!
when the Grafton came out Ilooked on it as a joke !!but when I saw Bird playing one in '53 the joke was on me.He would have sounded the same on a cocoa tin saxophone Zoot1a
Bird was notorious for playing whatever horn he could get his hands on and then selling them to the pawn shop so he could buy drugs. It looks like this is the plastic saxophone that he played at one point, Peter King is all over the bird vocabulary.
He used to be a complete parker deciple and the best guy in the uk at it but he completly changed his style about 20yrs ago and really got into coltrane and all that pentatonic stuff. Ive only heard him play in his coltrane style but its amazing to hear he still has all the parker chops under his fingers! Respect to the guy!! he's bad! (as in good!)
Peter King plays a really old otto link alto mouthpiece with the selmer metal lig. Not sure what opening he uses. He used to use a mark VI alto but switched to one of those solid silver yani's afew years back when yanigasawa gave him one for free!
Peter's one of the greatest alto players ever-just ask Phil Woods. In the UK, he's like a deity. That was Birds alto as well-it went back to Kansas City after the sale
Looks like a Wall Street-type, but don't kid yourself, someone probobly bought him the suit. All kiddinng aside, the guy really studied Bird and he's somkin'!
That guy's smoking, he deserves to be playing that horn. imagine seeing that guy on the subway or something. you'd never suspect he's talented. looks mean nothing.
I don't think it's really Bird's sax.... It has a price tag dangling from it. A music company probably made a replica of Parker's sax and is presenting it so ppl will want to buy it
can I buy this sax (:
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mastior 1 year ago
The Grafton was great between -250 and +250 above or below sea level. I played it atop Kilimanjaro and my co-eneers said that it sounded a semi-tone flat but I still just kicked ass. And the biscuitry was superb. Calor reigns.
cccustard 1 year ago
It's has to be great to be able to play in a similar way like "the great one!
helluvagun 2 years ago
Is he reading off a motha fuckin omni book?!?! wtf?
sadizes 2 years ago
He's Peter King. They say he's the closest thing to Charlie Parker out there. To be honest I like King better, though parker was a true legend.
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
@sadizes maybe, but ah aint his level and i can transcribe Bird perfectly. He also can for sure
DajaWaja 1 year ago
I will tell you guys that that Parker/ King Grafton and others Iv'e played are the best sounding horns Iv'e ever played on. I wish someone would make one out of modern carbon polymers that dont break
lpsling 2 years ago
Interesting...I know the 6M is a fantastic horn, but the Grafton was supposed to be a TERRIBLE horn. The community claimed that the Grafton was not suitable for pros, but Parker didn't care, it looked cool.
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
The Grafton plays evenly between registers like a tenor and the sound is very open and uniform all over the horn and it is a big, warm sound. They were made during the war when there were brass shortages. Jackie McClean played the Bird Grafton here in KC when it was put in the museum and he said it far outplayed his Selmer. Maby they have been making saxes out of the wrong materials all these years. I'd love to reproduce it with present day hard polymer carbons
lpsling 2 years ago
it would be very interesting to see a new plastic saxophone. I'm sure the material (acrylic) has a large effect on the sound. As far as I've heard, Graftons play with a warmer, softer sound more suited for a more traditional, old style jazz like Paul Desmond, regardless I don't care enough about setups to buy a plastic saxophone and risk the money+wrecking it
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
@SaxophoneProductions In fact I believe he just needed a horn :L
Mattytheman91 1 year ago
I dig that cat from D.C. Ron Sutton Jr. anybody know wherehe's playing these days?
raynoma1 2 years ago
I'd be afraid to play on the damn thing out of fear that i would break it somehow. That plastic must be fairly brittle by now. I play on a Conn 6M "Metro" (no tuning slide) that sounds VERY close with an old Meyer 5 Medium chamber and a 3 1/2 Van Doren reed that is slightly shaved in order to vibrate just a little more freely.
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musicaba7 2 years ago
I think you don't know this man...
What's your name BTW?
Miskomisio 2 years ago
of course it should be played!!!!! music lives, museums don't!
1airsax 2 years ago 9
Peter King, what a good friend !
Laanen 2 years ago
I think it's funny that so many people know parker for the white brillhart he used with the lady face, yet when he used this horn he switched to a link 5. I have to say from personal experience that the brillhart is MUCH better with the lady face than the link. however the plastic horn is a different story.
fatboyslimqq 2 years ago
Was Bird's white mouthpiece one of the Brilhart "Great Neck NY" series or was it a Tonalin ? I played a Grafton that my KC repair man bought and restored recently...really a great sounding horn. Jackie Mclean also played on this Grafton of Bird's and loved it. It is on display at The American Jazz Museum at 18th and Vine in Kansas City.
lpsling 2 years ago
Goodness gracious so much BS here. Parker played 2 pieces. A Streamline Tonalin and a Runyon Modele 22. The streamline tonalins are worth over $500 and are a rarity. The modele 22 is $22 from runyon. You can still buy IDENTICAL ones that only have slightly wider rails for reed friendliness. Parker sounds great on anything. Stop worrying on what he plays, get a modern Meyer, get it refaced, shutup and practice
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
Of all the bullshit on this page SaxophoneProductions...yours finally comes off as the most arrogant...telling people to shut up and practice. Are you the ultimate badass mo fo alto player? It would be nice to lay waste to your arrogant ass sometine on a bandstand somewhere
lpsling 2 years ago
Are you kidding me? So let's get this straight, you're criticizing me for recommending to practice rather than spends thousands on a setup. Just cause you play a Streamline tonalin doesn't that you get instant chops. Its called the "chops in the box" syndrome. Arrogant players think that good equipment will make them better. No I'm not a god player, but I'll tell you that ANY good player I've met has had a situation where something breaks and they use a Yamaha 4C for a pro gig
SaxophoneProductions 2 years ago
No, your'e right bro that a mouthpiece doesnt make a player or a "sound" or anything. Those things are hard fought for and take years of shedding. It's just that all this mouthpiece search is innocent on the part of young players and you could be a little nicer and more tolerant. After all...it's only music.,not war. I have sometimes played on one of Bird's altos,the one he borrowed from John Jenkins,nice old Conn 6M and Iv'e played on the Grafton in the museum...didnt sound like Bird , just me
lpsling 2 years ago
NIce playin', but he shouldn't be playing that horn. It should be in a museum for jazz. It should never be played on.
tjc197 2 years ago
It is in The American Jazz Museum at 18th and Vine in Kansas City. ....Bird's home town. It was bought at this auction by KC's mayor for $350,000
lpsling 2 years ago
peter king did not get enought recognition. saw him on talented mr rilpley. burn baby burn.
asbte 2 years ago 2
It's that the famous plastic alto?
OscarPetersonFan 3 years ago 3
Wow. Never heard of him! Another unsung hero.. Thanks for posting!. I wonder who owns the famous plastic alto now?
rafikcc 3 years ago
yeah man the bop is back thank's for the lesson if parker was alive he certainly liked to play with you...
popiriki77 3 years ago
looks like a snob with stick up his ass, but plays like a goddamn genius.
splitsock 3 years ago 2
3 Words: Sax A Phone !!!
PS. I LOVE it
VivianAkacie 3 years ago
great but charlie parkes there arent two...
jasonleos 3 years ago
No, theres more than one plastic alto in the world people, i saw one for sale recently.
SAXPLAYER128 2 years ago
There are quite a few actually. But only one the Bird played on. For those curious, it is a Grafton Alto. Made in England.
NissanMarkVII 2 years ago
incredibile,fantastica tecnica unita ad un grande suono,eccezzionale
santone9 3 years ago
As Red Rodney said about Bird when a representative gave him that plastic horn. 'Bird could play a tomato can'.
So can Peter King. The finest alto Britain has ever produced, and one of the best in the world today.
Go and see him now, while you can.
STILLAVRIL1 3 years ago 3
Right as right can be. The greatest living sax player. To see him play Lush Life at the Bull's Head is as good as it gets. And I haven't done it for more than a year now as I have moved away. Must make the effort. Thanks for a good post.
cccustard 2 years ago
what is that first song he played, is it an acutall song, if so, can someone tell me the name thanks
leeromell 4 years ago
It's called "Parker's Mood",credited to Charlie Parker who recorded it in 1948.
King Pleasure wrote lyrics to his improvisation,and recorded these in 1954.
MOGLIDER 4 years ago 6
Classic clip thanks bary01.
I have just returned from a Peter King gig.
Wonderful band- Steve Melling,piano;Geoff Gascoyne,bass;Martin Drew,dms.
Peter King is a true marvel!
MOGLIDER 4 years ago
Pete King is my absolute favourite Alto in the whole wide world.
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McMingDynasty 4 years ago
Peter King:superb creative artist & totally professional in all audience situations.
Iam now listening to Peter with Louis Stewart[gtr];Greg Burk[pno]Jeremy Brown[bass]Stephen Keogh[dms]
The recording also has a beautiful solo"Angel Eyes" by Louis.
Stephen,if you see this,please have it released!
MOGLIDER 4 years ago
I played with Pete King on his visits to the north west of England in the 1970s
in the John Rotherham Trio.
He is as good as anybody in the world an absolutely amazing player and a great guy, Not a Clone !!!
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coolestjagman 4 years ago 2
Mmm-mm! Man, how I wish I could've been alive back when Charlie was still up and kicken. But it's cool, my dad's so old he met Charlie once and was a huge fan. My dad's a jazz dumbest, I myself play Alto sax. Jazz band tomarrow, can't wait (I'm the youngest, yet highest chair ^.^)
Venezino 4 years ago
No point regretting what can't be changed kid. Think, you might have live before Charlie Parker and never got to hear him in any form. What you can do is get along and hear Peter King, I promise it will go a long way to make up for missing Bird.
55barfly 3 years ago
this sound totally brings that bebop era back. great playing!!!
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farhangmehr 4 years ago
well me and my buddy did love the guy . We kind a wonder what did it say on the tag.
vardvar 4 years ago
F@#kn brilliant. go pete. nice one. I saw pete play several times in london. Blew my brains out everytime. Bop lines played this well are timeless. always hip. Bebop vocab and vintage horns are tools, it's what you do with them that make them special. thanks for the clip bary. pedro
pedro1690 4 years ago 2
my lord that guy can play, gorgeous sound. he plays the shit outta loverman, its practically perfect...i gotta go practice.
jds430 4 years ago
wow, love this guy's playing. Don't care if he's a clone. this thing SWINGS
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jhoff630n155 4 years ago
Bird wouldn't have cared about this, just so long as he scored.
We are projecting a fantasy he wouldn't have beleived.
He knew he was good, but just blew his horn.
STILLAVRIL1 4 years ago 2
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nishanmelikian 4 years ago 2
LOL - Love it!
jamersonshook 4 years ago
It remember me more like Jackie McLean than Bird....but,as said bagoona,still damn good.
MRmaikelnait 4 years ago
doesn`t have Birds speed among a few others.....but still damn good
bagoona 4 years ago
I have 2 of this , ___oldhorn__com__ , my site I am acollector , they really play like this , with this sound , Charlie own only a king sterling alto ,
gsaxita 4 years ago
I've read that it was actually given to him when he showed up to a gig without his horn because he had "hocked" it for drug money.
opsaxman88 4 years ago
ha your crazy, sounds nothing like michael brecker, hes got bird vocabulary all over him (like someone said earlier)
Saxophonic 4 years ago
I never knew Charlie Parker had "a" horn. He had several, some (most...)not his, and often pawned. Perhaps this is simply one of the many that seemed to end up in his hands. Here we've got a Michael brecker type sound coming out of Charlie's horn, methinks.
jazzflutist 4 years ago
What an idiot you are.
Pete King has been playing Bird shit for decades and is one of the least Brecker clones you could imagine.
Nothing against Mike,but you could not be more WRONG!!!
Cloggy2006 4 years ago
man, that fellow really does the horn justice!! I never heard of him before, I have a conn bari that very likely Harry Carney owned for a spell and sold on the road in S.F. in the 40's to a guy who's grandson sold to me...but no way of really knowing, it's a great story though.... horn do retain the vibes of former players, not that I can prove it mind you!
ralphino 4 years ago
Sounds good..I personally could never play Bird's alto for fear of being struck dead by some bolt from a Parker lp playing somewhere..I guess I'll be chastised for saying this.Oh well.I guess Bird would be happy his horn was singing again.
olivierbarjot 4 years ago
Peter King, one of the few remaining iconic British jazz musos from the 60s. The Grafton was an English horn, and what better representative than Pete. Great player and a really nice guy too. All you US guys check out Tubby Hayes on this site too...he was another stormin Brit!!
mickysax1 4 years ago
> it sold for £93,500 sterling in 1994, to the mayor of Kansas City
> the Grafton had a copper neck, so that could be original
> there's a link on wiki pedia to a dutch page with info, just search Grafton
> yeh, Peter King is a bad mofo
mtndew1313 4 years ago
that horn is fuckn gourgous
flyboikarr 4 years ago
when the Grafton came out Ilooked on it as a joke !!but when I saw Bird playing one in '53 the joke was on me.He would have sounded the same on a cocoa tin saxophone Zoot1a
zoot1a 4 years ago
What chops!
The finest alto player this country has ever produced. Come to that, who else in the world could play that horn so well?
STILLAVRIL1 4 years ago
aren't grafton those plastic made saxophones?
sonnystitt123 4 years ago
I'm confused I thought parker had pawned all of his horns by the end of his life
d983394 4 years ago
think thats a grafton standard neck~~~
saxpete 4 years ago
Peter King rocks!!!
saxpete 4 years ago
Yeah !! Bird lives
Selmer2006 4 years ago
those solid silver yannis are like 3500 pretty sweet
Saxophonic 4 years ago
Bird was notorious for playing whatever horn he could get his hands on and then selling them to the pawn shop so he could buy drugs. It looks like this is the plastic saxophone that he played at one point, Peter King is all over the bird vocabulary.
calpitch 4 years ago
The guide price on this sax was 30,000-40,000 GBP
richardwigley 5 years ago
hes proven that metal mouthpieces really are not that bad for alto, i might get a otto link like that ;) nicccce
Saxophonic 5 years ago
doesn't really sound that much like bird, apart from straight up quotes, like he clearly has his own style, which is sweet
joebandana 5 years ago 2
He used to be a complete parker deciple and the best guy in the uk at it but he completly changed his style about 20yrs ago and really got into coltrane and all that pentatonic stuff. Ive only heard him play in his coltrane style but its amazing to hear he still has all the parker chops under his fingers! Respect to the guy!! he's bad! (as in good!)
liamjazz 5 years ago
Peter King plays a really old otto link alto mouthpiece with the selmer metal lig. Not sure what opening he uses. He used to use a mark VI alto but switched to one of those solid silver yani's afew years back when yanigasawa gave him one for free!
liamjazz 5 years ago
Peter's one of the greatest alto players ever-just ask Phil Woods. In the UK, he's like a deity. That was Birds alto as well-it went back to Kansas City after the sale
jamieforjazz 5 years ago
Looks like a Wall Street-type, but don't kid yourself, someone probobly bought him the suit. All kiddinng aside, the guy really studied Bird and he's somkin'!
sreymffej 5 years ago
er... I'd guess it sold for a couple thousand dollars. maybe $2000 - $4000.
123obo123 5 years ago
anyone know what that horn went for? I'm assuming one of those japanese guys bought it?
someguy1000 5 years ago
That guy's smoking, he deserves to be playing that horn. imagine seeing that guy on the subway or something. you'd never suspect he's talented. looks mean nothing.
someguy1000 5 years ago
I don't think it's really Bird's sax.... It has a price tag dangling from it. A music company probably made a replica of Parker's sax and is presenting it so ppl will want to buy it
123obo123 5 years ago
dats charlie parker's real sax?
kandyc92 5 years ago
i wonder what mouthpiece he is using?
Saxophonic 5 years ago
iunno but i wish i could afford somethin that has that much bite to it
Harmonicdelusions 5 years ago
i want that saxophone, the tone is so buff
Saxophonic 5 years ago
wow he´s got some parker skills
jazzfromsweden 5 years ago