Inside Story - Spotlight on Islamaphobia - 17 Mar 08

[neverfearchrisishere]

They mention how unacceptable it is that the cartoons were published... fail to mention the murder.

Cartoons worse than a murder. If you can't cope with an insulting cartoon, then you need to grow up.

[pakistandingonthedge]

pakistandingonthedge (1 second ago) Spam Marked as spam If i convert to Islam i too would be harami just like my muslim companions, and am definitely not for the muslim life in a third world islamic country , and most definitely not as a woman.

Muslim converts in the west are more polished, liberal and not savages calling for murder all the time.

Western and not Islamic upbringing is responsible for that.

She can re-convert in the west, in the islamic regimes it's 'murtad' and 'fatwa'

[smartcnut]

What is islam doing in order to remove the stigmatism of Islamaphobia besides remaining silent when suicide bombers kill innocent people ? Why dont muslim clerics stand up and condemn these actions ? Why is it that the hate mongers in the islam culture are always muslim clerics? Can Islam separate state and religion ? In which Islamic countries are other religions treated as equals ?

[vgotnofingers]

Pope John Paul II once reminded that the 20th century aside from being the one of prosecution of Jews was also one of the prosecution of christians (i'm an atheist myself) - i would honestly want to see such a discusion as in this document concerning the massacre of Armenians by muslim Turkey, i would love to see the subject of christian churches being burnt down in muslim asia taken. there are many stories like this, all of them taboo in the muslim world.

[cleanhomer]

@vgotnofingers I don't think Turkey was massacring them because they were Christians- why would they alienate their German allies?- but because they were Armenians.

[THEMISTOCLESS]

keep burning flags and passing fatwas evryone wil just LOVE muzlims

[Knowyourrights1]

"We are not insulting your prophet for the sake of insulting him, but to illustrate and defend the principle that in a truly free society, one in which human beings can flourish, we all have to put up with things that offend us. The only alternative is to establish the hegemony of one belief-system over all others, and while we realize that that is your goal, we will not endorse it. Indeed, in the name of human rights and human dignity, we will oppose it all the energy we have."

[torodeyeah]

I suffer from islamaphobia i cant even look at them they disgust me everything they stand for is anit peace anti christian anti jew anti every human other than muslim!! there horrible as peaceful as a nuclear bomb!!. When i see them marching against terrorism then i might start to respect them until then not a chance.

[straygypsy]

Every European that is raped, murdered or assaulted by Muslims is a sacrifice your European politicians have made to the altar of "Political correctness" and "Tolerance"!

You were specifically warned this would happen when you let this evil vile trash in your (once beautiful) countries.

You are getting what you deserve Europe.

Enjoy the "diversity".

[juergen4020]

fuck allah

[xXAkridXx]

Funny you never hear of Chrsitianaphobia or Athesitaphobia.

[cleanhomer]

@xXAkridXx Oh, I'm sure you would of heard of Christianaphobia if your part of the world & time has been tortured & slaughtered by Crusaders & Inquisition, and heard of Atheistaphobia in a very Communist country.

[xXAkridXx]

@cleanhomer Yeah, um no.

[cleanhomer]

@xXAkridXx Why not?

[xXAkridXx]

@cleanhomer Well, because, yeah, ya see, no, okay, just no.

[jimmajamma2006]

The west has developed a long way from our eg

Persecuting of women particularly if they mite be a witch.

Killing in the name of the lord was also once perfectly legitimate.

But this change has only occurred recently as relign has thankfully slowly faded away from politics.

Muslims in UK for instance isnt much different to havin a large percntge of the pop from the 16th cntry. We are askin thes pple to change their view on the world in a generation what has taken us centuries.

[oilhammer04]

As Pastor Martin Niemoller might have said, "First they came for Piglet and I did not speak out because I was not a Disney character, and if I was, I'd be more of an Eeyore. Then they came for the Three Little Pigs and Babe, and by the time I realized the Western world had turned into a 24/7 Looney Tunes, it was too late, because there was no Porky Pig to stammer, 'Th-th-th-that's all folks!', and bring the nightmare to an end." Mark Steyn

[brick4sale]

The fact remains that innocent people were killed because of these cartoons. So frankly, what does that say about Muslims overall response? What about what these Muslim countries say about the west, they insult western women and other religions as well.

[mrdhikrbeads]

What it says about Muslims overall response? Nothing because these acts where commited by miniscule fraction of the millions of Muslims around the world

[AgouraMo]

Nonsense, Moslems are not responsible people. In the U.S., pro-life supporters are prosecuted when they kill doctors and nurses. In Israel, Orthodox militants have their homes bulldozed for building where they shouldn't. Moderate,peaceful moslems do nothing about their radical brethren. In fact, various islamic governments support them, while others say its just a form of religious expression. Take some responsibility and you will not see Islamaphobia...until then Islamaphobia is very justified.

[rhoffer21]

proof please. We still dont know who attacked us on 9/11

[jimmajamma2006]

You can understand their hatred for us. Imagine living in Iran coming from a family where all women have to be fully clothed then being able to log onto western por sites to jerk off over western women. This must be a big dilema for these muslims who must feel guilty for persuing the readily available teptations of the west. In turn they must see us as the devil as we represent to them all that is evil.

[jimmajamma2006]

i myself hate the idea of having any animosity towards anyone. But it is clear that to get along in eg UK where I live, one has to be moderate and un imposing with their belief. I also think it is not right to come to a country and not expect to adopt some of the nations cultural characteristics. Fair enough the british are also truly guilty of this over the centuries but that still does not make it right for anyone.

[jimmajamma2006]

It is upsetting to walk round parts of London and find no sign of britishness in a town where millions of peoples lives have been lost in trying to protect it. Still live and let live I have met many a muslim that I have liked and have got on with. Tis a difficult issue to tackle indeed.

[koolDeception]

Civilization is fail to provide universal Beauty Love Care and Peace to the suffring humanity,It is a vaccum muslim,Fill it up with Beauty Love Care and Peace of ISLAM.

[koolDeception]

Its time to show Beauty love Care and Peace of Islam MUSLIMS !

[koolDeception]

Example,A man has poops in his hand and stand on the street corner to throw it on some one.Who is going through filth and disgust.That man !Need to Ignor Filthy Disgusted.

[ZENMASTER02]

No...the other ideologies that you list here murder people more efficiently than Osama...they use war machines, hate filled propaganda and proxy wars....be logical here...how many people have muslims killed compared to Christians? I bet HITLER killed more people on one year than have ever been killed by the muslims..Islam is much more tolerant histroically than WESTERN CHristianity, COmmunism and Definitely Nazism..you really do not have a valid point

[brick4sale]

Hmm I how do you break that down, for I could point to many wars, but are we to include Muslims killing Muslims?

[koolDeception]

Muslim need to understand,That insulting some one religious figures,On the name of freedom is part of some civilized People.Basicly it is insult to there own civilization.

[ElCid4321]

It is not the West that has to change its attitude toward Islam. It is Islam's terrorist image that has to change...

[Giles20]

The word "Islamophobia" is an attempt by the religious to stop criticism of their irrationality. People need to understand that Islam is a belief system, just like Nazism, Communism, Christianity, etc and should be open to critism and satire! People choose to believe in it.

There is a danger of equating Islamophobia to racism. It is already happening and we need to fight it!

[ZENMASTER02]

No...the other ideologies that you list here murder people more efficiently than Osama...they use war machines, hate filled propaganda and proxy wars....be logical here...how many people have muslims killed compared to Christians? I bet HITLER killed more people on one year than have ever been killed by the muslims..Islam is much more tolerant histroically than WESTERN CHritianity, COmmunism and Definitely Nazism..you really do not have a valid point

[theGetRealGuy]

Media has fragmented information on the Wahhabism feelings vs agnostics in the Arab world.

[ElCid4321]

Aljazerra propaganda is full of shit.

[bulluni]

U nd El Cid are full of shit

[mtcurado]

This debate is a JOKE! Do you want the world to be like Saudi Arabia or like Denmark?? In this case islamophobia is a positive force for change! for a better world!

[mtcurado]

This debate is a JOKE! Do you want the world to be like Saudi Arabia or like Denmark?? In this case islamophobia is a positive force for change! for a better world!

[mtcurado]

This debate is a JOKE! Do you want the world to be like Saudi Arabia or like Denmark?? In this case islamophobia is a positive force for change! for a better world!

[afrircans1970]

What of the Palestinian people? They have done nothing to deserve genocide. They are being murdered. They are innocent yet they have a holocaust. They raise their voice & they are silenced. They throw rocks & they are shot. They fight with any means at their disposal & they are accused of being terrorists. What of the Palestinians?

[StoogeWatcher]

Islam wants to sue its way into Sharia law. Neal Boortz is right. Muslims kill people over little things and insult Jews and Christians. No Muslim outrage.

[ElCid4321]

Moslems should be kicked out of Europe and America. They are evil and vile.

[aussi1]

well from your way of spaeking any one can see you are evil.devil

[aussi1]

well from your way of spaeking any one can see you are evil.devil

[edb00fr]

Typical zionist brainwashed, reply.

[StoogeWatcher]

And you'rea typical Islamofascist.

[ZENMASTER02]

and you are ZIONFASCIST

[StoogeWatcher]

Israel-supporters aren't fascist. It's the Islamists who want to get rid of Israel and Jews in order to create a pan-Islamic Middle East who are fascist.

[ZENMASTER02]

and you are ZIONFASCIST

[qarnain06]

You people call others names that you know apply to yourself

[bluerider451]

Interesting that one of the chaps is harping on about people causing "others" to incitement because of ridicule. Do what everybody else does, get on with your life and lead by a peaceful co existence, don't raise to the bate.

[PalluxoMediaOnline]

Your spelling is wrong.

It's not "Islamaphobia", it's "Islamophobia."

Check your spelling.

[blackxavior]

Common sense lets me be intolerant of intolerant religions, cultures, and ideas.

[EyesoreII]

I agree. Islamophobia is as justified as the fear of any religion. Moderate Muslims of course are, broadly, perfectly decent people, but they still should understand how much fundamentalism plays a role in society's portrayal of their people. I think that the best force to protest fanaticism is the people whose religions are being hijacked by it.

[zabpowday]

I hope everybody will respect each other.

[StoogeWatcher]

Islam hates free speech.

[cardieunion]

If these barbarians can't take a little cartoon, they should be expelled from the western world.

[ajaved1]

you guys don't let each other say certain words that insults a certain race.

just admit it, you guys have double standards.

in europe people can't talk about the holocaust. I agree that the reactions muslims showed are unreasonable..

[cardieunion]

If you talk about the holocaust, you won't be murdered by some random jew, because jews are civilized.

[Maxwedge12000]

If muslims would stop acting like terror loving, murdering, suicide bombing, lunatic barbarians, it would do a lot to eliminate islamophobia. But that's just my opinion.

[gotcha109]

or to belittle and make propaganda for islam

[gotcha109]

fuck ISLAM, and cock sucking allah worshippers, he screwed camels, and muhammad sucks them dry. Time for RAMADAN rock to be BLOWN UP...death to allah and his worshippers

[necromancer74x9]

There is no such thing as Islamaphobia. Islam really is a religion of war & death. Started by a pedophile warlord to build an army. In every country where Islam is the dominant religion non-muslims are treated as second class citizens where they are raped & beaten then the victims are accused of being sluts and stoned to death. In Islam it's called Dimmi Status. If a muslim woman falls in love with a non-muslim she is stoned to death by her own parents. Islam is EVIL and MUST be eradicated.

[zanawench]

The same can be said of religious fundamentalism of any kind. My step-dad was molested by a priest as a child and my uncle was killed in a family-planning bombing by Christian fundamentalists. Plus, you obviously didn't watch the video. You claim there is no such this as "Islamophobia" then you proceed to exemplify it.  You cannot fight intolerance with intolerance. That was the point of this exposee.

[vincentbluegrey]

THe only people who have a fear of Islam are the people who watch to much tv and israelis and people who have never meet a Muslim. Islam is harmless, you insult there religion, invade there country maybe you have i different situation on your hands.

[StoogeWatcher]

Islam insulted itself by killing over cartoons and quotes!

[ajaved1]

u are right to a certain point..

see it wasn't islam that insulted itself, since it's not a living thing.

Did christians insult themselves when timothy mcvaye(spl?) kill hunreds in oklohoma?

Did christians/americans insult themselves when that some crazy student kills students at a high school?

[gotcha109]

see MLRS on you tube, change guidance to ramadan symbol, some dumb rock, that idiots walk around, erase it from existance, and claim justice as do coward islamic brotherhood did after 9/11, surely someone from US military in the middle east, of a self propelled rocket crew, wants to be heralded as a hero, to become a christian martyr, as do coward suicide bombers do for allah, rise up soldiers, you will forever be held in awe, by islamic enemies and their people, press the button, become a GOD

[flipflop1234567890]

what the fuck is wrong with you people do you not see individuals any longer, is your brain so corrupt that you cannot be civil. not all muslims are extremeists, they come from a different culture have some tolerance. no, in fact, take a look at a fucking history book, omission and discrimination has started nearly all wars. that sign that said behead those who enslave islam, maybe you should think about it. maybe using insults in stead of honesty, is condemable, maybe u should think more...

[gotcha109]

Muslims are Nazi's riding camels...RISE UP PEOPLE AND BLOW UP MECCA SYMBOL IN EGYPT...SEND MUHAMAD'S ROCK BACK TO SAND

[aquamammal]

No, Mecca is part of our species collective heritage. Fuck theism, but history is history, and we must never forget the dark ages we had gone through.

And fuck war. You are just the same as theists.

[gotcha109]

stop sending oil money to arab nations, let them eat their sand and drink therir oil, saudi has 1200 billion barrels of oil, alberta tar sands 1500 billion barrels, let them suck the chinese cock for cash, pull all aid to slaughtered kurds,coward insurgents fighting from between school kids, dressing as women, BLOW UP THE ROCK IN MECCA as muslim brotherhood had done to world trade center, laugh when muhamad's followers are heart struck, cheer death to allah and his followers

[brick4sale]

You sound like Tom Tancredo. Quick Tom, get down to the border with your gun and stop those gay Mexican Muslims from coming across!

[Euroheat0022]

Their needs to be a separation of church and state. These islamic radicals need to find a hobby and a SENSE OF HUMOR! It was a damn cartoon for crying out loud.

[BIGMEL1981]

never mix religion n politics ... Islam is just a way of live nothing to fear at all.

[dansstreet]

If i read a magazine that contains inflammatory rhetoric against my beliefs, i.e. a depiction of a prophet, I stop purchasing that magazine and might even organize a boycott. But the fact remains that I didn't have to read that magazine in the first place. In this same thread, parents must guard bad material from their children. Muslims need to learn that the world at large allows freedom of speech, so long as that freedom does not physically harm anyone.

[MushroomNinja420]

They can tell us over and over again what Islam is supposed to be but aslong as the issues intolerance, Islamism, and the lack human rights in Muslim nations doesn't get addressed its not going to matter. We are simply not going to change and bend-over backwards because of your unwillingness to do so.

[afrircans1970]

The world needs to be sensitive to the depiction of the Profit as a grievous insult and provocation to all those who follow His Teachings!

Islam seeks only Peace. But we ask that the world know that Peace works two ways!

We cannot tolerate a predatory insult to the Profit as in some "cartoon" to permeate the minds of children. Sensitivity is also a two-way street. Islam does not incite violence; but insults do! Islamic Teachings are those of reason but even reason needs guidelines & boundaries.

[Britlandish]

you can't even spell prophet

[MushroomNinja420]

If you can't deal with depictions of your prophet, don't live in the west.. Its as simple as that. Non-Muslims don't want to be around people who would riot and kill over cartoons and that isn't going to change.

[jumbolachi]

Segregation is not the answer to this issue, and profanely depicting a prophet certainly doesn't help. Non-muslims need to understand that Islam is not the reason a few Muslims lash out, it is because they are oppressed and lack opportunities. Christians have used their religion to be just as violent (as in the Crusades, the Inquisition, bombing of abortion clinics, etc.)

[MushroomNinja420]

Yes cause clearly oppression and the lack of opportunities obviously explains instances of Muslims like Haji Yaqoob Qureishi in India offering eleven million in cash to the person who "beheads" the Danish cartoonist....

Its time to stop lying and bullshitting as we aint falling for it and bringing up past Christian atrocities isnt going to make us anymore accepting.

[jumbolachi]

What do you think would happen if Muslims occupied the developed world (which they did during the "dark ages"), Christians lived on the fringes, and Christ was depicted profanely by these well-off Muslims? I am certain that the marginalized Christians would be pretty pissed off, and probably act just as some Muslims are today.

It is time to stop blaming the religion and start working on the real issues: discrimination and segregation (particularly in Israel/Palestine and India/Pakistan).

[MushroomNinja420]

Doubtful as well-off Atheists in America profane Jesus all the time and when they do you don't see Russian Orthodox Christians running around killing their Atheist neighbors, burning flags, and calling for beheadings.

Why particularly India/Pakistan and Palestine/Israel? What about the segregation and ill treatment of Non-Muslims or Non-Arabs in countries like Saudi-Arabia, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Darfur?

[pakiman47]

they dont do that because of profaning, they do that because the west is murdering, raping, and stealing their resources, so get off your pseudo logic ass...aggressive actions result in aggressive reactions, stop fucking bombing the muslims, and muslims will stop reacting to the bombs. the west has no credibility preaching to people about killing and beheadings

[MushroomNinja420]

Yeah I guess that explains why the cartoonist who hasn't killed or oppressed anybody has had more attempts on his life than GW Bush and Denmark gets boycotted over the US...

[Giles20]

If anything, this all because of RELIGION! Imagine the Israeli/Palestinian conflict if there was no religion involve. No zionism and no islamism. Wouldnt it be a much easier problem to solve? The same goes with the Indian/Pakistan conflict.

Religion poisons everything it touches and its time we need to make a stand against it. The enlightenment has already started in the west with the increasing popularity of secular humanism.

[jumbolachi]

You're probably right: there would be less conflict in the world without religion. But religion doesn't necessarily have to be divisive. I have muslim friends, some white and some middle-eastern, and we all get along fine.

It is not the religions that need to disappear, but the prejudice based on religious differences that leads to discrimination, diminish opportunities, resentment, and violence (including terrorism).

[Giles20]

Was it not because of religion that these prejudice existed in the first place? Look anywhere u like but i doubt ull find any other book that contains so much rascism, homophobia, sexism, incitement for murders, etc than the three monotheistic "holy" books.

I dont deny for one second that there are allot of people who see religion as a private matter, fair enough to them, believe what they want. However, religion has the arrogance of sticking its nose on other peoples lives!

[brick4sale]

I can imagine it would be a fight over water, and ethnicity.

[Giles20]

These people lashing out were oppressed? Was Osama bin Laden, who by the way is a billionaire, opressed? Was the 7/7 bombers oppressed? No! They did it because they believed it was their god given right to do so. It was their faith, the very thing that makes religion dangerious!

Also, im offended by allot things. Im offended that homosexuals and adultrers are executed in Islamic states. Im offended that women are treated as a second class. However, i dont go around and murdering ppl!

[jumbolachi]

Of course, there are examples, such as Mr. bin Laden, of terrorists who are not oppressed, but *in general* people resort to terrorism in order to change an oppressive system. Al Quaeda would not have many recruits if there weren't so many economically frustrated individuals living in the Muslim world.

You should watch the movie Paradise Now, it does a good job of illustrating how economic frustration (due to institutionalized religious discrimination) leads some to resort to terrorism.

[Giles20]

I think you need to remind yourself what these Islamist want in the first place. They want a theocracy, a state based on Islam. If you tell these people that they can no longer throw acid on womens faces for not covering up, they will be OFFENDED! If you tell these people that they can no longer hang homosexuals, they will be OFFENDED! If you tell these people they can no longer stone adultrers, they will be OFFENDED!

[jumbolachi]

When the Christian world was economically underdeveloped, Christians did things just as deplorable as what a tiny fraction of Muslims today do.

I really believe that they will abandon the deplorable practices you mention if they were allowed to develop and have a sort of renaissance. Iran was moving in this direction until my idiot president called them part of the "axis of evil." But they abandoned that course because Bush's comments made them want to shy away from "Westernization."

[Giles20]

What? Such nonsense im afraid. Although your statement might have some truth, Iran changed direction after the Islamic revolution. You are right, the West was partly to blame for this. That however was because of Eisenhower's support for the 1953 Iranian coup d'état, which then led to the revolution.

Iran, or shall i say the Mullahs of Iran, abandoned Westernization of the country during their rise to power. It was against their idiology. They wanted a theocratic fascist state in Iran.

[Giles20]

Also, Saudi Arabia is a fairly rich and developed country with a pretty high standard of living. How come then the country has become one of the leading exporter of professional bomb strappers?

[koolDeception]

Its a big Battel,#1,Renagade Illiterate muslim terrorist,#2,Propeganda of Haters & Zionest aganist muslim & Islam.#3,Lie Deception Torture and deaths of inocent by westrens leaders and politations.

[Giles20]

We are in an ideological and cultural battle here. This is war between our value of liberal democracy and their ideology of theocratic fascism. The difference is that they kno they are at war but the majority of us in the west do not! We need to wake up.

[Veitch2008]

the big battle is against ignorance....it is the single largest problem...Peace to all

[afrircans1970]

WHAT CAN BE DONE TO STIFLE THE FEAR OF ISLAM? PEOPLE NEED TO BE UNAFRAID & enjoy the works of the Profit.