WTC 1/2 Expert Testimony

[weezyalex1]

It is clearly that usa demolutionated the wtc ahh but people are so stupid. The word needs to be spread outt!!

[punxsutawneybarney]

Mr. Levy told NOVA that the towers came down because the jet fuel melted the structural steel. That's loony tunes. Jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel.

See my video:

The 9/11 "Deep Mystery" and the Crazy Engineers

[midatlanticcycle]

detonation zone? WTF? and i know who the shooters were on the grassy knoll as well, you assholes

[Geemonster69]

You conspiracy theorists are a bunch of cunts!!

Get a fucking life

[alecboi84]

@Geemonster69 you dumb downed American fat fucks are the reason this country is all fucked up,go watch jersey shore,monday night football douche bag..

[Geemonster69]

@alecboi84 shows how much you know..im a Brit,you useless cunt,now go fuck yourself douche

[alecboi84]

@Geemonster69 Brit,American it's all the same you guys just talk funny and have small genitalia...

[uru39]

so this guy is trying to say that the complete out side sheet of the tower is the only thing holding it up.... idiot.

[Misstorys]

@uru39 The inner columns and the outer perimeter. not the alu plating.

[jpics05]

if you believe the official story you have to believe that 90 plus stories of steel and concrete has as much resistance as air

[dtroit2]

@jpics05 are you joking? The building IS MOSTLY AIR!

[BaberJacks]

@jpics05 thank you thats a good as point coz you don't need to be an architect to figure that out

[SINMIEDOALPATOTERO]

frank de martini rest in peace and live forever

[LUKAvac2]

man, its amazing how the corner of building stay intact ;)

great pull off! ...ups, did i say pull?

uh i was trying to say pull the people out...uh the column buckle... uh uh a thermal expansion ....

ahaaa ok i believe the official story ou jeaaa...

[punxsutawneybarney]

Mr. DeMartini's office was on the 99th floor of the north tower. He stayed behind to help people evacuate and he was killed.

[LUKAvac2]

y, i know.

[LUKAvac2]

and taht is not you and not him.

[toneep44]

advances... not advaces!

[wwwPNACATTACKcom]

m0ost ofm over 50% of maericans are totall morons - usefull idiots like lenin and hitler had too. US gove have brainwashed americans since 40's.

[stratocaster539]

nice to see thedman and his gang of jerkoffs have found a nice little corner to hide in.

[hornet1204]

look who's talking

you still believe a bunch of idiots with boxcutters and plastic knives hijacked planes. Oh no dont scratch me!! U can slam the plane into the towers killing thousands including myself but just dont scratch me!! >.<

[hornet1204]

Plus the fires were so intense that it caused the collapse of the towers right?... so intense that a passport from one of the hijackers floats neatly to the ground below (DIDNT BURN AT ALL MIND U)... and then later that hijacker is found to be alive LOL

Seriously...

use some fucking common sense.

[thedman113]

"and then later that hijacker is found to be alive LOL"

Dude, you're spouting nonsense that was debunked shortly after 9/11. You're about 6 years behind the times.

[toneep44]

NONSENSE? new information is coming out every day... YOU ARE EITHER SCARED to accept the TRUTH or PROFITING off of it LIKE SO MANY DID as a result...

[thedman113]

"new information is coming out every day..."

Like what.

"YOU ARE EITHER SCARED to accept the TRUTH"

No, just too smart to fall for stupidity.

[toneep44]

Stupidity is wasting time looking at videos/topics that you obviously have a CLOSED mind about. When there are secrets that impact the faith of THE ENTIRE WORLD, they will slowly but surely come to the surface. YES that process can take years and sometimes decades. New information through technological advaces are disproving the explanations that were given to us every day. An explanation like the one that the towers fell strictly due to the planes and the fire the planes caused alone.

[thedman113]

"Stupidity is wasting time looking at videos/topics that you obviously have a CLOSED mind about."

No, stupidity is believing incorrectness should be looked at with an open mind. When a school teacher marks a student's math problem wrong, should the student tell her that she needs to look at 2+2=5 with a more open mind?

[toneep44]

stupidity = ME

you are absolutely right. thanks for the lesson. what is wrong with me? of course, this IS as simple as you say! there are NO GRAY areas in this particular situation at all. LIKE FOR EXAMPLE the terrorrist who hijacked the planes LIVING AND BREATHING TODAY...

AND you are right about one thing: I am VERY STUPID for exchanging words with a (nice person like you)

[thedman113]

"LIKE FOR EXAMPLE the terrorrist who hijacked the planes LIVING AND BREATHING TODAY... "

See, this just proves my point about being too smart to fall for stupidity.

[TempestDust]

The US government and their media affiliates must be your teachers, then.

That says a lot.

[thedman113]

Yep, it says I'm too smart to get my news from infowars.

[Wyndup]

Lol...thats right hornet...FBI found the passport, it made it through the building and ensuing fireball, managed to escape a pocket and proceeded to fly through the opposing wall down 700ft or so to the street where old mate FBI stumbled across it...bit like the red bandana from flight 93...hey, no plane but we got the BANDANA people! PROOOOOOOF!!!

[SCOBMAN]

47 stroy buildings dont fall in 6.7 seconds without demolitions. The guy speaking in the video was mysteriously found KILLED too. Its sickening

[SCOBMAN]

Why did the owner larry silverstein claim this on TV? he said he gave to order for them to "pull it". Was it to get the insurance money? a lie? or mistake? or didnt you know he admitted the building was "pulled"?

[looseSpark]

Right, but what did Larry Silverstein mean when he said "pull it"?

[looseSpark]

i.e. they reckon Larry talked about demolishing the building before they realised they wouldn't be able to explain how the demolition charges got in there so quickly so they changed the story (or that Larry just slipped up and got off-script!)

[looseSpark]

My observations:

1. He says "maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it" which an observation not a command.

2. Fire-fighters don't perform controlled demolitions, but he may not have been referring to them when he said "they" pulled it.

3. The pro-C-D folks say that it isn't possible to organise a demolition in such short time so explosives must have been placed beforehand; therefore if they did that in WTC7 why not also 1 & 2?

Not saying I believe it, though, just clearing up the arguments.

[debunkthejunk]

sirfingerlock: why would you want to get around the Newtons second law when it proves the collapse proceeded almost exactly as it did, a "self sustaining global collapse" the physics shows the fires did little as well. and this expert that says that the impact of a 757 did little to the "mosquito netting" is off his rocker, worst analogy ever.

[sirfingerlock]

Thanx. You just debunked yourself because there was fireproofing on all of the 80 floors of solid steel and concrete beneath the collapse. Oh yeah, then there's that little law of conservation of momemtum you GT'er have to get around as well. Good luck with that

[agentzippo]

You should research the Nazis cause thats what you ppl who call themselves Neo-Cons sound like

[looseSpark]

Heh heh. Have you ever heard of "Godwin's Law"? :D

[agentzippo]

the madrid spain scy scraper fire of 2005 laster for roughly 20 hours, and was much much hotter than the one on 911, but it did not collapse. and you can dis-regard the fact that a plane hit the wtc because no plane hit building 7 and it collapsed anyway.

[rjs87]

this is quote manipulation at it's best. Bravo!

[sirfingerlock]

Yeah, I know what you mean. Sorta like when someone says PULL IT and people tell you it means PULL THEM, huh? LOL

I actually love those debunking 9/11 sites. After reading their banality it actually has helped strengthen the argument. Keep 'em coming!

[investorme]

If the official story on Sep 11, 2001 was ridiculed by most Americans, the answer to your question is 'Yes'.

[PoetryHound]

Hi strat, as usual all you have are baseless assertions. The most hilarious ones are when you try to sound authoritative and get all your scientific terms messed up. Makes me laugh at how inept you are.

And this book you're recommending - it's the same old crap from the same old authors we can get on the conspiracy web sites for free.

[investorme]

"All truth passes through three stages... First, it is ridiculed. Second it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." Schopenhauer

[Mamouplayboy]

"He refused to face rigorous peer review by people with expertise in engineering and metallurgy. Peer review and corroboration are essential in science yet he has been unable to find anyone to corroborate his views."

Esentially if you eliminate all the fluff of you statement, you basically just said he was fired for his view. Nice one!

[PoetryHound]

It wouldn't be the first time that an academic institution was concerned about one of its scientists for reaching conclusions not supported by the evidence.

[stratocaster539]

There is now a BOOK, an independent,documented and fully credible study of all the events about 9/11.'9/11 AND AMERICAN EMPIRE - INTELLECTUALS SPEAK OUT'As a good study should it covers ALL the problems and presents a sound scientific explanation that knocks the NIST report into a 'cocked hat' where it belongs.Time has exposed the shambles that is the official story.Now is the time for factual information to take its place.ALL REFERENCES FULLY ENDORSED.Amazon books

[stratocaster539]

Looks like drfist has got his fist right up perverty hounds ass!!Hi poet, just here to remind folks that you have lied continually across these threads!Anyone who has already come across you will know this of course.Wait for his ad hominem reply folks,thats a lie as well!!

[PoetryHound]

JoeCraine, you didn't list evidence, just assertions. Big difference.

[llVIU]

Ehm the building wasn't designed to sustain a plane hitting it, because a plane carryes a lot of fuel that can cause a massive fire, and the building was weak to fire.

[markjscottfilms]

I was under the impression that it wasn't the collision which demolished the WTC but the fire from the jet fuel afterwards which caused the collapse. The way the floors were designed meant they would collapse on each other, apparently.

[ozelot]

kerosin =black smoke ! EXPLOSIVES ="hot" white smoke =THERMITE ->pyroclastic flow over the hudson river -> indicates again EXPLOSIVE - then sulfurtraces and orange powder at ground ZERO = again evidence for use of EXPLOSIVES . . .prooves: an evildoers inside job = planned mass murder!!!

[PoetryHound]

oxygen deprivation = lost brain cells = susceptibility to bizarre thoughts = idiotic conspiracy theories = ozelot foaming at the mouth and howling at the moon.

[ozelot]

kerosin =black smoke ! EXPLOSIVES ="hot" white smoke =THERMITE ->pyroclastic flow over the hudson river -> indicates again EXPLOSIVE - then sulfurtraces and orange powder at ground ZERO = again evidence for use of EXPLOSIVES . . .prooves: an evildoers inside job = planned mass murder!!!! you american people deserve a honest president not one who looks for a new "Pearl Harbour" and a NEW WORLD ORDER! search "depleted uranium" 2 find out more...

[PoetryHound]

I agree with the people in this video that say IT WAS LIKE a contolled demolition. Yes, there were certainly aspects of it that were LIKE a CD. But notice that they weren't saying it WAS a CD. Big difference.

[fucktheothercalmo]

First off, it is the same guys voice as the other vid.

"perhaps the clearest evidence of controlled Demolition, was published as early as May 2002"

Also, have you seen the New World Order speach given by Bush Snr, September 11th 1991?

Poetry, i'm convinced... You are too smart to not see the truth, you're either in deep deep denial, or you are with them.

[ozelot]

poetryhound our paid shill unable to google the truth!

POETRYHOUND WE SEE TROUGH YOU YOU ARE TRANSPARENT LIKE GLAS !!! + by the way POETRYHOUND=MARKSMEN500=HOMERI­C9=COOLGAMER167=TRACK000

all the same or 2-3 person or some sitting together in an goverment paid office - there job: to wash our brains, because FOX,CBC... loose grip and they need to control us otherwise they are lost. YOU ARE LOST !! the age of digital information is the end for people living on disinformation and Brainwash.

[PoetryHound]

Hi ozelot, I see you're still foaming at the mouth about stuff. And I see you're still acting like an imbecile in order to discredit conspiracy theorists. How much does the New World Order pay you to act so goofy?

[ozelot]

911 WTC: 128 big mistakes that proove: INSIDE JOB

Pentagon: 48 big mistake that proove : INSIDE JOB, NO PLANE but CRUISE MISSLE, 16 foot hole for a 120foot wingspan plane:

Poetryhound and the evildoers in the white house think we are all very stupid and buy these lies. PH= PAID SHILL like HOMERIC9/COOLGAMER167/MARKYX/M­arksmen500...

everybody search depleted uranium and make your own picture. 911 PLANNED MASSMURDER: "We needed a new pearl harbour! for the new world order!

[PoetryHound]

128 mistakes by ozelot

No pictures of "16 foor hole"

No evidence of explosives.

Proof that ozelot is a conspiracy cultist.

[fucktheothercalmo]

Two explanations:

Explosives,

Or they just pressed the Steel Beams - OFF button,

and every beam and support in the building vanished.

[PoetryHound]

The only problem with the explosives theory is that there's no evidence to support it. There's not a demolition expert in the world that agrees that the ejected debris and dust during the collapse is due to demolitions. In fact, there's not one who supports the controlled demolition theory. It's funny to see conspiracy theorists act like they're demo experts.

[ozelot]

50 Demolition experts from 24 countries say WTC7 = Controlled Demolition 100% proof. 911 INSIDE JOB

[JayZoop]

on video "WTC 1 Explosion" at 2:09 I starting seeing multiply light flashed inside the gray clouds as it's collapsing. The internal columns went down like butter, where as parts of the outter columns delayed in going down. Obviously the inside of the building was sucked in because the inside columns were being blown up.

[fightwhatyoufear1]

the flashes you may be seeing could be electricity (lights) going out or something similar to a flashpoint to where the fire on that fllor is looking for oxygen and when the building collapses it give a flame a sudden surge of oxygen.

[iceman704691]

im not a conspiracy theorist,nor do I believe the "official version" to all the people who lost loved ones that day my deepest sympathies and to all those who were lost.. I hope God smiled when you entered heavens gate. I dont drink Kool Aid but I do see truth and there are a lot of unexplained evidence to the buildings. All this talk of the president putting bombs in there.. why could the same not be true of the terrorists? they managed to do it once before in 93

[theredpill99]

Shut the fuck up about "conspiracy theorist".  I'm so fucking sick of that shit. Use your brain retard.

[asperin]

they are NWO operators motivating the weak hypocrites to believe the fake version.they know its an inside job,but they take part in it.dont waste your time with them,tell them how evil they are and work with those that think like you,spread the truth.

peace

[fightwhatyoufear1]

to everyone who believes it was bombs, missles, rockets, CIA, give me ur name and # so I can kick your ass! I am a firefighter and lost several very close brothers and they went in there to save lives not detonate bombs...so @#$% all who say its a conspiracy!!!

[JayZoop]

Northwood documents proves that the government does think about doing stuff like that. They planned to Take down one of their own jets and blame it on the Cubans back in 1961. I don't know if they actually did it though.

[asperin]

the new world order wont succeed!

[aattkk]

then surely you'd agree with the countless firefighters who saw the molten metal underneath the rubble. are you calling them liars? i commend you for your heroics, but you're wrong. also, you've totally missed the point. no one is claiming that firefighters or any rescue workers were behind the detonation. they were victims as well.

[LUKAvac2]

u had 15y then

[PoetryHound]

I agree that "it was as if" it were being demolished. But I don't agree that it WAS demolished. This is they typical deception perpetrated by the conspiracy folks. They twist words, misinterpret comments, ignore countervailing information, & throw out unsubstantiated assertions & then have the gall to tell everyone else to "wake up."

[DoctorFist]

hi poet - I've recently been looking at "The 9/11 commission report: a 571 page lie" by Dr. David Ray Griffin, and he points out some interesting "distortions". I'm sure there are 100 people who would call David a crazy conspiracist, but when they ALL seem to be claiming "facts", who do you trust? There is no one official version of the truth, it seems like EVERYTHING is claimed as a lie, or a distortion; there seem to be real no answers. Where do you find yours - and can you trust them?

[PoetryHound]

Hi DoctorFist, good question. My answer is that you need to look at ALL the evidence and then see where the preponderance of evidence takes you. I'm less interested in assertions, doubts, & speculation than in actual evidence. Since we cannot see the physical evidence and must rely on other people's examinations & findings. So you have to decide which ones are credible and what is the consensus among the credible ones? I side with the consensus of scientists & engineers.

[Mamouplayboy]

Despite that well respected "scientists" in PHYSICS have a "consensus". Research Steven E. Jones of BYU lost his tenure at the college, for simply stating what he THINKS. That is a bit of defence reaction to an opinion wouldn't you think?

[PoetryHound]

Jones did not lose his position because of expressing what he thought. He refused to face rigorous peer review by people with expertise in engineering and metallurgy. Peer review and corroboration are essential in science yet he has been unable to find anyone to corroborate his views. Even the BYU engineering department distanced itself from him. No one except non-scientists agree with him.

[Mamouplayboy]

He was asked to resign, and I believe he did. And they were opinions, just because I think something happened and I express my views and publish a thesis in a magazine or a book, does that mean I should be asked to leave my job? I never did anything illegal. If people cannot agree with his views that is there problem not his.

[PoetryHound]

Well, they were quite a bit stronger than "opinions." They were something more than even hypotheses. He was stating findings that were unsupportable, at least they weren't supported by other scientists or engineers. He only has support from non-scientists.

[Mamouplayboy]

No, that statment is bullshit. A hypothesis is a conclusion you come to after reseach. It is an opinion that you reach after research. So wheather or not he reachearched or not does NOT mean he should be ganged upon or go before review for his job.

[PoetryHound]

Call them what you want. He made strong statements about what happened that have yet to be corroborated by any peers. Statements about sulfur residues being a marker for thermate are bizarre since sulfer residues are markers for many other things such as gypsum from wallboard. Even the BYU engineering school says his findings haven't faced sufficient peer review.

[godsson87]

What I love about consipiracy theorists is that they love to highlight that it was a "controlled explosion". If you are killing thousands of people anyway why not just put the explosives in the middle of the building and make it blow up hollywood style?

Face it there is no conspiracy theory, get over it.

[boomshakk]

its the psychological impact of these twin symbols of capitalism literally collapsing to the floor. any other type of explosion would not have completely disintegrated the buildings. thats what i think

[theredpill99]

You're right. There isn't a conspiracy theory because PNAC stated openly that they needed a new pearl harbor and we got one alright.

[DoubleDoubleE]

Oh my, take a look at this video starting at the t+46sec time mark. What do YOU see? This is a great view of the collapse initiation. I obviously agree with bigjim32 on this and PLEAD insanity on the behalf of those who think our worthy leaders would participate in a travesty.

[simonshack]

Dear Bean266 from UK,

I chose you randomly as a European believer of the official version of the events of 9/11. I'm just curious to know how anyone untouched my US media spin can still believe in that. Do you care replying? (BTW, a 707 has roughly same weight, fuel capacity and is faster -600mph- than a 767)

[lnielsen76]

So basically what you are say is that the 90 plus floors below offered no resistance...why?

[Geemonster69]

@lnielsen76 Ineilsen you are an idiot. Aviation fuel burns at 1500c metal expands,the weight of both towers was taken by the floor trusses at the bottom gravity means that fuel eventually reaches the bottom

causing the trusses to soften they can no longer hold the weight the towers collapse pancacking one onto the one below it. Jesus fucking christ use your brain for fucks sake.

[mooners40]

@Geemonster69 the pancake theory holds no water - the core columns would still be standing - and an intact core column cannot crush itself can it? Think about it - and even nist says that 14% and 15% of core columns were severed in each tower - jet fuel is a hydrocarbon and a hydrocarbon fire can reach 1000c max - a diffuse flame - the coolest of the three flame types - so you're 550c see off there pal - quite a lot - use your brain

[Geemonster69]

@lnielsen76

Because the weight of the towers was supported in the floor trusses.

Simple physics the burning fuel fell not rose jesus!!

What happens to metal when heated? it softens and there you go they give way.

[punxsutawneybarney]

@Geemonster69 The floor trusses supported the weight of the floors, not the weight of the towers. The steel box columns supported the weight of the towers. NIST doesn't have any core steel samples to support its claim that fires weakened the steel.

[Misstorys]

@Geemonster69 Yep but it is not truth !  Thats not what happened. controlled demolition is what happened.

[Geemonster69]

@Misstorys To WTC 7 yes of course please don't be a conspiracy theorist i have nothing but contempt for those idiots

[alecboi84]

@Geemonster69 explain how everything was pulverized into fine powder,molten metal under all 3 WTC towers,witnesses hearing thunderous EXPLOSIONS before,during,after the controlled demolition..Video evidence of EXPLOSIONS,FLASHES..stop being naive you tool

[chasingamy2330]

by any acount, the thing that cannot be disputed is that in a pancake collapse, the energy produced by the floor falling above it is absorbed by the next floor...interrupting progress down. the tower fell in 10 and a 1/2 seconds...barely slower than FREE FALL SPEED. This would indicate that the falling floor met LITTLE to NO resistance...Weren't there 90 some-odd intact, undamaged floors below?

[Reticuli]

The designer was accused of building a piece of crud, but his design was sound. That much fuel, in an enclosed space, with the initial shock force, and the flamables in the building could have produced that effect. The cross beams also lacked proper flame retardent. Did something else happen on 9/11? I don't know.

[chasingamy2330]

by any acount, the thing that cannot be disputed is that in a pancake collapse, the energy produced by the floor falling above it is absorbed by the next floor...interrupting progress down. the tower fell in 10 and a 1/2 seconds...barely slower than FREE FALL SPEED. This would indicate that the falling floor met LITTLE to NO resistance...Weren't there 90 some-odd intact, undamaged floors below?

[msherrera236]

in a way this is true because when the north tower collapsed it went down vertically and that happens in controlled demolitions. a collapse is when a piece of the building detaches and leaves the other piece there.

[amerist]

Evidence of shaped charges in the base of the towers are found in the core columns which are sliced cleanly at angles, exactly like is done in controlled demolition. Cuts also reveal solidified molten metal.

watch?v=Vd1-Dp_-7WI

[bigjim32]

You retards... "it was as if..." look the pancake collapse started before the main structure collapse. Thats what that 20 floor "detonation zone" is... the air being squeezed out of the windows fromt he floors falling on eachother. After the floors collapsed the main structure collapsed.

[amerist]

Plane crash was not the official reported cause of their collapse. It was the jet fuel, remember???

My theory: There were charges planted before the crashes to ensure the destruction of evidence. They knew that the planes might not be enough to make the buildings collapse so they helped things along. Building seven was also supposed to be hit by a plane but it wasn't so they demolished it anyways and made it look like an accident.

[bigjim32]

How long would that take?

[amerist]

depends on how many people assisted. If there were enough crew, then it would have taken only a couple of days to put enough charges in place to cause it to do what it did.

[bigjim32]

And all of them kept quiet about this operation? No one has had a change of consience? And how did the bomb sniffing dogs in the WTC miss all that symtek and plastic explosive?

[theredpill99]

You're right. When someone robs a bank, a few days later he says, "you know, I think I'll turn myself in. " . You're a moron, dude. If everyone turned themselves in, what would we need police for.

[bigjim32]

Abu Garab happened... the 5 idiots involved couldnt keep it quiet for a month. They all got busted because they were dumb enough to take pics and send them to everyone they knew. SOmewhere along the way, SOMEBODY would have leaked this... you are an idiot if you think hundreds of ppl conspired to do this and its still hush hush. You're bank-robber theory is bullsh*t, btw.

[asperin]

u should be denouncing the abu gharib incident,u say the were idiots? they were criminals,torturers.

and its all ok,that why u dont bother to check evidence that proves your masters did it,because u yourself might have some skeletons in the closet.dont want justice because u are so comfortable in your house.

[bean266]

youre talking about 707, not 757 or 747, imagine, 530 mph, 10,000 gallons of fuel waying 220,000 pounds.

remember that, if any building was struck with that, particuarly south tower, as it was hit lower,would easily fall, the tower was based around a centre core, not supports in all four corners.

[simonshack]

Dear Bean from UK,

I chose you randomly as a European believer of the official version of the events of 9/11. I'm just curious to know how anyone untouched my US media spin can still believe in that. Do you care replying? (BTW, a 707 has roughly same weight, fuel capacity and is faster -600mph- than a 767)

[chr1ssy9923]

Anyone who still believes the governments account of what happened on 9/11 simply is a walking robot - exactly what they wanted you to be. Here's an idea, study science, history, and elementary physics then come back and say that we're "conspiracy theorists". Go for it, the Spring '07 school semester starts in January.

[macieksk]

Discombob: Heh, it is funny how you call a "common sense" beliving everything they say on some websites.

Isn't that the same you accuse CTists of?

Debunking in some cases is ok, in other cases is so poor, based on so many unrealistic assumptions.

There is no consensus in engineering community - some have written papers, others say it's very complicated and don't want to discuss about it. Everyone'a afraid of making mistake. journalof911studies

[amovercor]

I had started to go into theoretical physics until I realized that all the "scintists" and "engineer" and "experts" could twist thier facts to prove thier theories around till they were blue in the face. This is why we still argue over the "theor(y)ies" of evolution, relativity, astrophysics, quantum physics, etc... So I'm becoming a private consultant (one who explains knowledge to those who dont get it). The point is experts never agree until physical and social evidence will back them up.

[macieksk]

You have a great point amovercor: so much of science that deals with very complicated things is beliefs. If the theory is complicated enough you can always find some evidence that supports it. And some are sooo ignorant, when comes to other possibilities... Reopen 911! Now!

[charlesbesso]

We the non-sheep need to face the facts, as many of us have.

We must expose this false flag terror.

How they can ignore the staggering amounts of evidence presented by the truth movement is asinine.

Here is a list of declassified false flag terror events

Operation Northwoods

Operation Ajax

Operation Goldia

The Gulf of Tonkin Incident

www.infowars.com / www.prisonplanet.com / 911truth.com / st911.org / physics911.org / reopen911.com

[veratul]

On the other hand the conspiracy investigators WANT the goverment and the media to debate the issues in a fair, public forum, for we have nothing to hide.

[skubel]

Shut up all you conspiracy believing bastards.

Read this and all the linked sites.

http://www.911myths.com/

http://www.geocities.com/debun­king911/

What happened, happend as explained by the credible scientists and engineers that proved it.

[veratul]

I love how the debunking side just tells us to shut up, calls us wackos, and shoves their view in your face. These things need to be debated by experts on both sides in public spotlight. Trying to shut somebody up is a sign that the other guy has something to hide.

[dpager]

Did you know that Bush Jr. made his first millions dealing with Selom Bin Laden in an oil company they were involved in together?

[deisys]

Why don't the Dems grow some nuts and CALL THE REPUGS out as trea0nous criminals for 9II?!!!

http://www.911truthseekers.org /modules/weblog/

INSTEAD:

$600,000 was spent on 9II investigation.

$40 million was spent on Clinton's BJ...

http://video.google.com/videop­lay?docid=1822764959599063248

[lnielsen76]

Also Read Dr. David Ray Griffins "The 9/11 Commission Report: A 571 Page Lie" here:

http://www.globalresearch.ca/i­ndex.php?context=viewArticle&c­ode=GRI200 50908&articleId=907

and Dr. Steven E. Jones analysis here:

http://www.physics.byu.edu/res­earch/energy/htm7.html

[lnielsen76]

Also have a look at 911research.wtc7.net

http://911research.wtc7.net/wt­c/analysis/collapses/

http://www.globalresearch.ca/i­ndex.php?context=viewArticle&c­ode=GRI200 50908&articleId=907

and another Dr. David Ray Griffins paper here:

http://911review.com/articles/­griffin/nyc1.html