I dont understand, I was able to build 2500 psi in my cell with no issues. It did this in less then 5 minutes. They also use hydrogen in high pressure experiments because of its make-up. It will go back to a water state when it cools down and not under pressure. Very similar to air conditioning.
AT 90 psi, THE SEAL BLEW DID IT NOT !. I don't think the gas will explode under pressure due to pressure its self, it becomes a liquid does it not, but you need to keep low temperatures, its the act of compression generating the friction / heat, that causes combustion, not pressure in its self.
@fuelban No hydrogen will not self ignite when mixed with oxygen until it reaches 550 degrees. Until that temp it remains stable at any pressure, that is why you cannot start a cold diesel truck on hydrogen.
Self ignition is dependent on quality of the gas and vapor content. Without knowing how you cell is constructed one can not tell the quality of your HHO.
What do you mean by having the gas collapse on itself. That makes no sense. The gas will either self ignite if the pressure reaches a certain level or the cell will burst. Self ignition is not collapsing on itself... Please clarify.
Hi blakers24, if you think about it, water occupies a much smaller space than gas, so the only thing it can do when the HOH gas converts back to water is collapse. The question still remains at what pressure this occurs. We see this collapse regularly when we ignite the gas in a sealed environment. The net result is a vacuum.
Indeed. Though 90 PSI for the cell is good going, which is well over it's 10PSI opperating spec, it would have been nice to get it to at least 160PSI. Any info on the actual collapsing pressure would be appreciated, just so we know what to aim for next time. May prove out of reach?
I suspect the characteristics of the collapsing point changes with the addition of air and also introduces the potential for explosion rather and implosion. We have had a cell up to 140 PSI filled with water then compressed air, just not this time with this cell and the hoh gas. The quest continues Cheers, Cameron.
Thank you showing this. I have seen similar here. My own cell designs have not been able to stand more than about 60 psi before my gaskets give way. However, I have put a fair quantity in a sealed tube then applied a compressor up to 120 psi without the gas reaching the self ignition point. It is interesting that the gas becomes more conductive as more pressure is applied. But suspect a lot more than 120 psi would be required to auto ignite.
I dont understand, I was able to build 2500 psi in my cell with no issues. It did this in less then 5 minutes. They also use hydrogen in high pressure experiments because of its make-up. It will go back to a water state when it cools down and not under pressure. Very similar to air conditioning.
powerzap69 1 month ago
AT 90 psi, THE SEAL BLEW DID IT NOT !. I don't think the gas will explode under pressure due to pressure its self, it becomes a liquid does it not, but you need to keep low temperatures, its the act of compression generating the friction / heat, that causes combustion, not pressure in its self.
Thom in Scotland.
fuelban 1 year ago
@fuelban No hydrogen will not self ignite when mixed with oxygen until it reaches 550 degrees. Until that temp it remains stable at any pressure, that is why you cannot start a cold diesel truck on hydrogen.
powerzap69 1 month ago
This is nonsense. Go back to school and try this time to get a real education.
whgage 1 year ago
Self ignition is dependent on quality of the gas and vapor content. Without knowing how you cell is constructed one can not tell the quality of your HHO.
MichaelCouch 1 year ago
What do you mean by having the gas collapse on itself. That makes no sense. The gas will either self ignite if the pressure reaches a certain level or the cell will burst. Self ignition is not collapsing on itself... Please clarify.
blakers24 2 years ago
Hi blakers24, if you think about it, water occupies a much smaller space than gas, so the only thing it can do when the HOH gas converts back to water is collapse. The question still remains at what pressure this occurs. We see this collapse regularly when we ignite the gas in a sealed environment. The net result is a vacuum.
hohcells 2 years ago
@blakers24 in other words, HHO implodes not explode
dzgfdg 1 year ago
interesting researchthank you for sharing it so far.
Greets from the Netherlands, iT
insAneTunA 2 years ago
interesting -pity the cell burst
m3sca1 2 years ago
Indeed. Though 90 PSI for the cell is good going, which is well over it's 10PSI opperating spec, it would have been nice to get it to at least 160PSI. Any info on the actual collapsing pressure would be appreciated, just so we know what to aim for next time. May prove out of reach?
hohcells 2 years ago
think i might know someone with the gear to test this....
m3sca1 2 years ago
That sounds great. May have organised something too. Hopefully over the next week or two will be able to provide an update.
hohcells 2 years ago
Hey SmartScarecrow, thanks for your comments.
I suspect the characteristics of the collapsing point changes with the addition of air and also introduces the potential for explosion rather and implosion. We have had a cell up to 140 PSI filled with water then compressed air, just not this time with this cell and the hoh gas. The quest continues Cheers, Cameron.
hohcells 2 years ago
Thank you showing this. I have seen similar here. My own cell designs have not been able to stand more than about 60 psi before my gaskets give way. However, I have put a fair quantity in a sealed tube then applied a compressor up to 120 psi without the gas reaching the self ignition point. It is interesting that the gas becomes more conductive as more pressure is applied. But suspect a lot more than 120 psi would be required to auto ignite.
SmartScarecrow 2 years ago 3