It took a lot of guts for this young man to go up there and expose (so to speak) his creative weaknesses. I personally don't think he's cut it as a comic book cartoonist-at least not in the Marvel sense. I do agree with "capchio" in that there are in fact a few artists employed by this giant comic book industry (Marvel) who aren't anywhere near as talented as the talent of yesteryear-lime Jack Kirby, John Buscema, Gil Kane, Johnny Romita Sr, etc.
I'm a pro comic book artist and granted, I am a big fan of JRJR's work, but his hands sometimes are a little off kilter, but i still enjoy his storytelling because he kills the emotion of whatever the story is. And yes we all have seen artists for both Marvel and DC that are less then subpar but somehow manage to get in to these companies... i agree, editors who aren't artist themselves really shouldn't critique work because in the long run, art is what the viewer interprets, thats what art is.
...Where to begin??? Art is art, there's nothing professional about turning a 2d surface into a 3d surface, I wish these comic companies would get off their high-horses and only have established artists within these companies view portfolios, and not editors who don't draw. . .amen?
@Ztrigg I agree with the latter of your statement but as a whole, your argument is weak. Being a cartoonist, is THEE last professional job in the art field. "Art is Art" yes, but most often times its not about style or overall detail. Its about telling a story. If you cant tell a story, being in comics is useless. Trust me, you would rather an Editor review your portfolio, because an actual artist would be tougher. I review portfolios all the time, but as a cartoonist, Im abit of a hardcase
@azuzaj1 I'm also coming from a point of a view as telling a story with art as well as script,with that said, re-read your own comment and you will see that being a cartoonist is not the last profession in the field but as important as being a writer.
barnstone studios dude, im tellin u, all you need is one figure drawing class and your set- word of warning though- dudes like a freakin drill sergeant-you will wanna hit someone/cry haha
@sagitta242 That depends, some editors actually hire you, it depends on the company, a video interview for a darkhorse editor states that he is looking for someone to hire you, he says he´s not an artit, he cannot really tell you how to become a better one, in addition Olivier Coipel go this first job at DC after a portfolio review from that same company. IT IS POSSIBLE to get a job after a portfolio review, it just depends to which company you are applying,ur skills n which editor is in charge
This is good critique, yet there was a time a young artist name Liefield had his hand in several Marvel books, and from him there was several artist with similar styles. Its really about who you know.
It's incredible that with so many so-called art editors at a huge place like Marvel there is still SO much shoddy, anatomically awkward artwork that gets published all the time.
So, If I was submitting my art via mail, could I send xeroxes or anything like that? How does it work? And is it better to send sequential art rather than big pages showing perspective and anatomy?
Truth is, they do VERY little "hiring" at conventions. They usually just give you tips to fan artists. So it is definitely NOT a job interview. Most of the guys looking at portfolios know very little about comic book art. To get some work, you really have to network. But going to a convention is usually NOT the way to get work. Unless you are already working in the industry. Then it is an excellent place to network.
yeah i know but when you want to become a comic book artist how do you submit your work , for example to marvel, especially if you live in other country XD, im serious what do you have to do, mail them your portofolio
But most improtantly how do you get a job itnerview for becomng a comic book artist.
To get a job interview for a comic book job is very different from normal jobs. Just making contact with an editor at a convention, talking one on one is more productive than a "portfolio review". Connecting as a person to person. Learn names of editors. Mailed portfolios just get thrown in the trash. Draw, draw, draw (of course) and then show work to writers in comics. Work usually comes by knowing someone in the industry, who will put in a good word for you. There is no set formula.
The key is to start small. Get your portfolio reviewed by independent comic book companies. You have a better chance at landing a job. From there you'll gain experience in the industry and land a few connections. Once youre in you can take a shot at Marvel or DC. This time you at least have a resume to back up your portfolio.
I have real respect for comic artists because most of them would draw Post Grad fine artists into the dust when it comes to human anatomy. Just look at Tracy Emin and Ofili (pardon me while i puke!)
I could see why they thought this artist wasn't ready, but there ARE artists working in Marvel right now that draw awful! I mean, how's that possible??
they know a guy who knows a guy...that's true of any industry. if you look at professional sports you might wonder how some horrible athletes who never play are even in a particular league, be it MLB, NHL, NBA, or NFL
Yes go to the smaller publishers first to get a name for your self that's what I'm thinking of doing, even try to publish something your self, with Dynamite, or Darkhorse, These guys are actually just acting like there cool, they all probably couldn't draw to save there lives. Marvel hires people who are already known. Its obvious that you have talent, you just need to work on life, by Johny Commet and study Frazettas touch in his inking, it may breath the life into your work that you need.
I asked a man who writes and directs movies how there are so many bad movies even starring big names he said he didnt know. I asked the lad who used to own the comic book shop near me your exact question he said" Cause marvel comics are a BUSINESS there here to make comics that make movies", i didnt really ask how that worked. Bongo are the same.
I spent 3 days trying to get an interview for a portfolio review. Nothing. The guys at the booth could never give me a straight answer as to when and where the reviews were taking place.
my advice is not to listen to haters or frustrated wannabees, if you want to suceeed, just keep at it as even at the worst scenario all the time you are improving.
Wow. I thought they were a bit harsh at points. But what do I know? I am no artist.
But seriously, how do they know they're not turning down the next Sam Keith or Chris Bachalo, who have an abstract-exaggerated way of drawing the anatomy of a character?
Also, where is the "booth"/how is the way one goes about getting their writing style critiqued by Marvel?
This has to be one of my favorite videos from pulp secret! Being an industrial design student who got started in drawing because of Spider-Man comics (grew up with McFarlane)I love this stuff. The comic medium is just one of those things that really takes a good hand to do well. I'd love to see more side videos like this, concerning the art and artists!
It took a lot of guts for this young man to go up there and expose (so to speak) his creative weaknesses. I personally don't think he's cut it as a comic book cartoonist-at least not in the Marvel sense. I do agree with "capchio" in that there are in fact a few artists employed by this giant comic book industry (Marvel) who aren't anywhere near as talented as the talent of yesteryear-lime Jack Kirby, John Buscema, Gil Kane, Johnny Romita Sr, etc.
TheAssasin2525 4 weeks ago
I agree with them completely. He is average. Granted, the industry is full of average.....
azuzaj1 1 month ago
I'm a pro comic book artist and granted, I am a big fan of JRJR's work, but his hands sometimes are a little off kilter, but i still enjoy his storytelling because he kills the emotion of whatever the story is. And yes we all have seen artists for both Marvel and DC that are less then subpar but somehow manage to get in to these companies... i agree, editors who aren't artist themselves really shouldn't critique work because in the long run, art is what the viewer interprets, thats what art is.
mirrorroad 3 months ago
...Where to begin??? Art is art, there's nothing professional about turning a 2d surface into a 3d surface, I wish these comic companies would get off their high-horses and only have established artists within these companies view portfolios, and not editors who don't draw. . .amen?
Ztrigg 4 months ago
@Ztrigg I agree with the latter of your statement but as a whole, your argument is weak. Being a cartoonist, is THEE last professional job in the art field. "Art is Art" yes, but most often times its not about style or overall detail. Its about telling a story. If you cant tell a story, being in comics is useless. Trust me, you would rather an Editor review your portfolio, because an actual artist would be tougher. I review portfolios all the time, but as a cartoonist, Im abit of a hardcase
azuzaj1 1 month ago
@azuzaj1 I'm also coming from a point of a view as telling a story with art as well as script,with that said, re-read your own comment and you will see that being a cartoonist is not the last profession in the field but as important as being a writer.
Ztrigg 1 month ago
kinda funny because all of the cons he points out are all I've seen in modern comics,
helrod 5 months ago
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andreantlopes 7 months ago
barnstone studios dude, im tellin u, all you need is one figure drawing class and your set- word of warning though- dudes like a freakin drill sergeant-you will wanna hit someone/cry haha
blehhh13 8 months ago
@sagitta242 That depends, some editors actually hire you, it depends on the company, a video interview for a darkhorse editor states that he is looking for someone to hire you, he says he´s not an artit, he cannot really tell you how to become a better one, in addition Olivier Coipel go this first job at DC after a portfolio review from that same company. IT IS POSSIBLE to get a job after a portfolio review, it just depends to which company you are applying,ur skills n which editor is in charge
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Fantasyink 11 months ago
This is good critique, yet there was a time a young artist name Liefield had his hand in several Marvel books, and from him there was several artist with similar styles. Its really about who you know.
maxmblk66 11 months ago
Its weird....the first shots of the portfolio looks pretty amazing but after that is ...well kinda regular I say.
Anyway, cool video!
spikeman316 1 year ago
It's incredible that with so many so-called art editors at a huge place like Marvel there is still SO much shoddy, anatomically awkward artwork that gets published all the time.
welcometourf 1 year ago
draw, draw, draw and apply your knowledge to other industries! :)
MrRossT1 1 year ago
Fair & accurate crit! Just what a young artist can use.
subliteral 1 year ago
So, If I was submitting my art via mail, could I send xeroxes or anything like that? How does it work? And is it better to send sequential art rather than big pages showing perspective and anatomy?
marcelcruzeiro 2 years ago
Truth is, they do VERY little "hiring" at conventions. They usually just give you tips to fan artists. So it is definitely NOT a job interview. Most of the guys looking at portfolios know very little about comic book art. To get some work, you really have to network. But going to a convention is usually NOT the way to get work. Unless you are already working in the industry. Then it is an excellent place to network.
MATTCOSSIN 2 years ago
yeah i know but when you want to become a comic book artist how do you submit your work , for example to marvel, especially if you live in other country XD, im serious what do you have to do, mail them your portofolio
But most improtantly how do you get a job itnerview for becomng a comic book artist.
KillerDiAbe 2 years ago
To get a job interview for a comic book job is very different from normal jobs. Just making contact with an editor at a convention, talking one on one is more productive than a "portfolio review". Connecting as a person to person. Learn names of editors. Mailed portfolios just get thrown in the trash. Draw, draw, draw (of course) and then show work to writers in comics. Work usually comes by knowing someone in the industry, who will put in a good word for you. There is no set formula.
MATTCOSSIN 2 years ago
The key is to start small. Get your portfolio reviewed by independent comic book companies. You have a better chance at landing a job. From there you'll gain experience in the industry and land a few connections. Once youre in you can take a shot at Marvel or DC. This time you at least have a resume to back up your portfolio.
RottingVomit 2 years ago 10
@RottingVomit One of the best advice I've read so far, thanks bro ^^
Kaisertoji 5 months ago
The editor kind of sounds like a fucking douche....
Saga619 2 years ago 2
i've gotta say i think his art is almost as good as leinil yu's in secret invasion... not that impressed
TriggerHappyD 2 years ago
I have real respect for comic artists because most of them would draw Post Grad fine artists into the dust when it comes to human anatomy. Just look at Tracy Emin and Ofili (pardon me while i puke!)
liquidplastic62 3 years ago 3
I could see why they thought this artist wasn't ready, but there ARE artists working in Marvel right now that draw awful! I mean, how's that possible??
capchio 3 years ago 23
they know a guy who knows a guy...that's true of any industry. if you look at professional sports you might wonder how some horrible athletes who never play are even in a particular league, be it MLB, NHL, NBA, or NFL
SFO14 2 years ago
@capchio Their connections and experience ( not experience in art but experience in the business). Sucks I know haha.
Bakuhatsu233 1 year ago
@capchio back door entrance, thats what it is...
frbarba 1 year ago
@capchio im sure their portfolio was great and when it came down to deadlines their shit sucks!
CIDVICIOUS831 1 year ago
@capchio Marvel doesn't always care about the art but more if you have a name and an audience.
Dalen77 8 months ago
Yes go to the smaller publishers first to get a name for your self that's what I'm thinking of doing, even try to publish something your self, with Dynamite, or Darkhorse, These guys are actually just acting like there cool, they all probably couldn't draw to save there lives. Marvel hires people who are already known. Its obvious that you have talent, you just need to work on life, by Johny Commet and study Frazettas touch in his inking, it may breath the life into your work that you need.
Dalen77 8 months ago
@capchio
I asked a man who writes and directs movies how there are so many bad movies even starring big names he said he didnt know. I asked the lad who used to own the comic book shop near me your exact question he said" Cause marvel comics are a BUSINESS there here to make comics that make movies", i didnt really ask how that worked. Bongo are the same.
vcccjvcjvvv 6 months ago
The artwork was pretty good, but I can see how it wouldn't get accepted. Also, this is Marvel we're talking about. Chances are slimmer.
velderia 3 years ago
I spent 3 days trying to get an interview for a portfolio review. Nothing. The guys at the booth could never give me a straight answer as to when and where the reviews were taking place.
nicand 3 years ago
I seriously wouldn't have a chance. LOL
VIDEODRONE087 3 years ago
I seriously thought that looked professional. There are current artists who aren't even that good.
VIDEODRONE087 3 years ago
my advice is not to listen to haters or frustrated wannabees, if you want to suceeed, just keep at it as even at the worst scenario all the time you are improving.
loveupskirts 3 years ago
Manny's website isn't working
Vicemary 3 years ago
cool
bestbet06 3 years ago
The guys stuff was great.
"Savage dragon" comic Not amazing.
Still got published.Story telling is key.
Stan Lee wrote very Drawn out stories
for early marvel comics that were really boring but we have spiderman.
On anatomy -look at McFarlane's "Spiderman" work.Mary Jane was especially
weird looking.Great style though. You need Drawing ability,Story Telling and work ethic.Unfinished work is a waste of time.
No waste in that guy's stuff.
Most people cannot draw a story.
dookypie619 3 years ago
unfinished work is a waste of time?? you need to elaborate.
StyleSessions 3 years ago 2
My favorite episode.
keytoothed 3 years ago
just got the podcast, love this show
dudeomac26 3 years ago
very informative.
Whats the bet those 2 reviewers suck balls at drawing. Thats always the way.
His folio was pretty good, nothing amazing, consistantly good and dynamic line weight is a good measure of pure talent, hands and faces are too.
Perspective and anatomy can be learned.
StyleSessions 3 years ago 2
why did they choose "marble mouth" pete to do this interview
debtisslavery 3 years ago
Don't get scoliosis Pete, they did invent the clip on mic.
Interesting though.
fat862 3 years ago
Wow. I thought they were a bit harsh at points. But what do I know? I am no artist.
But seriously, how do they know they're not turning down the next Sam Keith or Chris Bachalo, who have an abstract-exaggerated way of drawing the anatomy of a character?
Also, where is the "booth"/how is the way one goes about getting their writing style critiqued by Marvel?
hopefulsemblance 3 years ago 2
If you want to become a writer you have to either know someone or get your stuff done by an independent company- which is next to impossible.
SmileOnADog 3 years ago
CONFORTING LOL
Rg56 3 years ago
I am so glad you did this, I love seeing the portfolio process!
nomadikk 3 years ago
tenth!
TriggerHappyD 3 years ago
cool shiz
daddyphatsack 3 years ago
This has to be one of my favorite videos from pulp secret! Being an industrial design student who got started in drawing because of Spider-Man comics (grew up with McFarlane)I love this stuff. The comic medium is just one of those things that really takes a good hand to do well. I'd love to see more side videos like this, concerning the art and artists!
Leedster618 3 years ago
Nice, mabe I can take sum tips. Im not half as good though.
Daredevilfan182 3 years ago
i wish i could be a comic book artist. I suck too much, though.
thelastmagician 3 years ago
PARP SECRET
TriggerHappyD 3 years ago 2
Thanks for that, guys. Very informative.
seeso 3 years ago
this is why you do indy comics lol
but wow this was extremely interesting, i didn't know that they could be so insistant on the realism portion of an artist's style NICE
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