Great documentary. I am probably going to get a lot of shit for saying it... but... Black Metal seems to owe an obvious debt owed to American bands like Slayer and Kiss. Kiss for their imagery (black white make up, theatrics, blood, fire, etc) and Slayer for their "Satanic" themes and heavy, fast music (lombardo's drumming!). I think this is worthy of note here and doubt that any of these musicians featured here do not have (or had) a stack of Kiss and Slayer cds at home.
I think every musician in extreme metal post-1986 owes a huge debt to Slayer. I know for a fact Immortal are highly influenced by Kiss, not so sure about the rest of the BM scene, though. If anything, the image comes more from Alice Cooper.
I can respect that. But given the ages of most in the scene and the popularity of Kiss v Alice, I'd say Kiss had a much bigger, wider and more influential reach than Alice Cooper. Just sayin.
Thank you for the awesome documentary and putting interviews of some of my favorite artists with their insights and intelligence graced with a bit of madness here and there, but that is what makes them interesting. I do not understand all the hateful and ungrateful slouches, I guess it is just human nature, anyways, they just don't get it, Shining and Watain rule, people claim to know so much about what is an is not black metal, let's see them make their own band!
The guy from Shining,he's full of shit man...if he really hate life and living then cut his fucking throat and that's it.. Stop saying stupid crap! I really love Black Metal and Shining is not a part of this clever genre of metal. Black Metal is about living and fighting for life. Black Metal is about growing from yourself. Shining is motherfucker.
Missionless sheep proclaiming to be the opposite to that . . . yea Erik, that pretty much sums up watain! "real black metal" is a thing that belongs to history. "Black Metal" bands today are bands that just play music in the style of black metal. Extreme metal has not been extreme, in every sense of the word, for a very long time.
the guy from shining just seems like an idiot. trying to be as badass and shocking as he can be by saying he wants his music to drive people to killing themselves......that is just silly...
@TurboInfidel I know its basic tenets, but I've never come across an intelligent representative giving a coherent view of it. Everyone's either a Left Hand Pathist who ends up with a mess by trying to invert an already confused Christian terminology and ethics, or they are like caricatures of nietzschean straw men.
I think that's part of why "the scene" hates Kvarforth - he's shed the skin of the subculture and revealed it's dirty secret: that this too was human emotion - not divine intellect.
I've been into black since the late 90's, and I'm still waiting for someone to give an intelligent view of their ideology. They talk so naturally about music, but as soon as they switch to the philosophical side it's like "christianity is, uhm, bad.. you gotta be, uh, like, strong. And satan is good.. I mean evil! No, wait.. uhm.. and everything should be like, killed."
Someone please get a PhD in philosophy and develop a consistant and well argued ideology - or at least some rhetorical skills.
@Blodhosta I gotta agree with you on that... well at least if we talk about this shitty so called "documentary". It seems like they interviewed the most stupid black metalheads... Those great bands from the early '90s have all grown up and don't only say shitting provocating stuff like that. But this documentary seems to be made to scare people.
Awsome documentary. I recently saw "Until the Light Takes Us" and this seems to further upon some of the ideologies that were mentioned in "Until The Light Takes Us". Where as this one moves onto newer "black metal" and different personal points of view with the newer bands, the other movie focuses mainly on the church burnings and very early black metal in norway. Great addition to the knowledge base that is black metal.
I love black metal all the way but after watching this documentary some of they views are just plain dumb. (We want to see the world destoryed and all peolpe killed) blah blah. Really? then why do gigs? Why make music? Why not make a plan to destory the whole world instead. It just seems like hey look at me I'm evil haha ha.
@derantikrist agreed yet what many people must understand is that even if it is a "religious" thing, what it actually promotes is the valors and ideologies from pagan / satanism religions.
I watched this entire thing only for Erik Danielsson. He's the only one I feel and the only one who speaks naturall about what he believes.
TransylvanyanForest 3 months ago
Great documentary. I am probably going to get a lot of shit for saying it... but... Black Metal seems to owe an obvious debt owed to American bands like Slayer and Kiss. Kiss for their imagery (black white make up, theatrics, blood, fire, etc) and Slayer for their "Satanic" themes and heavy, fast music (lombardo's drumming!). I think this is worthy of note here and doubt that any of these musicians featured here do not have (or had) a stack of Kiss and Slayer cds at home.
76sagi 7 months ago
I think every musician in extreme metal post-1986 owes a huge debt to Slayer. I know for a fact Immortal are highly influenced by Kiss, not so sure about the rest of the BM scene, though. If anything, the image comes more from Alice Cooper.
TheCryptViolator 4 months ago
@TheCryptViolator
I can respect that. But given the ages of most in the scene and the popularity of Kiss v Alice, I'd say Kiss had a much bigger, wider and more influential reach than Alice Cooper. Just sayin.
76sagi 4 months ago
@TheCryptViolator I think Alice Cooper and 99% of black metal bands owe their makeup and images to pandas. War pandas.
mattz1010 3 months ago
Thank you for the awesome documentary and putting interviews of some of my favorite artists with their insights and intelligence graced with a bit of madness here and there, but that is what makes them interesting. I do not understand all the hateful and ungrateful slouches, I guess it is just human nature, anyways, they just don't get it, Shining and Watain rule, people claim to know so much about what is an is not black metal, let's see them make their own band!
MsCsection666 8 months ago
YES! Stop procreating! Too many people = shit!
MsCsection666 8 months ago
The guy from Shining,he's full of shit man...if he really hate life and living then cut his fucking throat and that's it.. Stop saying stupid crap! I really love Black Metal and Shining is not a part of this clever genre of metal. Black Metal is about living and fighting for life. Black Metal is about growing from yourself. Shining is motherfucker.
janmarlo15 9 months ago
@janmarlo15 You're right. That dude is not some scary person. He's just a fool. He sounds like a child.
TheGreyHeaven 1 month ago
Thanks for that documentary. It was fucking hilarious!
johancollyns 11 months ago
Missionless sheep proclaiming to be the opposite to that . . . yea Erik, that pretty much sums up watain! "real black metal" is a thing that belongs to history. "Black Metal" bands today are bands that just play music in the style of black metal. Extreme metal has not been extreme, in every sense of the word, for a very long time.
JBUK1987 1 year ago
the guy from shining just seems like an idiot. trying to be as badass and shocking as he can be by saying he wants his music to drive people to killing themselves......that is just silly...
Rilyn666 1 year ago
@TurboInfidel I know its basic tenets, but I've never come across an intelligent representative giving a coherent view of it. Everyone's either a Left Hand Pathist who ends up with a mess by trying to invert an already confused Christian terminology and ethics, or they are like caricatures of nietzschean straw men.
I think that's part of why "the scene" hates Kvarforth - he's shed the skin of the subculture and revealed it's dirty secret: that this too was human emotion - not divine intellect.
Blodhosta 1 year ago
@Blodhosta Thank you!
loveslave12 1 year ago
Thank you for putting this up. This was really eye opening
Dingle294 1 year ago
I've been into black since the late 90's, and I'm still waiting for someone to give an intelligent view of their ideology. They talk so naturally about music, but as soon as they switch to the philosophical side it's like "christianity is, uhm, bad.. you gotta be, uh, like, strong. And satan is good.. I mean evil! No, wait.. uhm.. and everything should be like, killed."
Someone please get a PhD in philosophy and develop a consistant and well argued ideology - or at least some rhetorical skills.
Blodhosta 1 year ago
@Blodhosta I gotta agree with you on that... well at least if we talk about this shitty so called "documentary". It seems like they interviewed the most stupid black metalheads... Those great bands from the early '90s have all grown up and don't only say shitting provocating stuff like that. But this documentary seems to be made to scare people.
vincentlm77 11 months ago
What is the name of the song when credits roll?
trustnoonetoday 1 year ago
@trustnoonetoday Rimfrost - Hordes Of Rime
Mutumaniac 1 year ago
Awsome documentary. I recently saw "Until the Light Takes Us" and this seems to further upon some of the ideologies that were mentioned in "Until The Light Takes Us". Where as this one moves onto newer "black metal" and different personal points of view with the newer bands, the other movie focuses mainly on the church burnings and very early black metal in norway. Great addition to the knowledge base that is black metal.
-Rune
runicvampire 1 year ago
Anyone can tell me what is the last song, please!?
That is fucking wicked...
moureu 1 year ago
@NRRRDLemur14 : The Song is called "Stellavore" - from Watain's latest full-length called "Sworn to the Dark".
Tunguska218 1 year ago
I love black metal all the way but after watching this documentary some of they views are just plain dumb. (We want to see the world destoryed and all peolpe killed) blah blah. Really? then why do gigs? Why make music? Why not make a plan to destory the whole world instead. It just seems like hey look at me I'm evil haha ha.
weredevil616 2 years ago
@weredevil616 yeah, but that is just the guy from shining and he is a fucking idiot
Ja256 1 year ago
@weredevil616 yeah, and whats the point in growing your hair and headbanging? so you can destroy the earth?
beer4life101 1 year ago
thats fucking ture :P they're great !
omgrobin666 2 years ago
What is this religion or music?
..And i thought mormons were dumdumdumdumdum!
skruvmaejsel 2 years ago
@skruvmaejsel both... though religion is not really the right word for it.
Herulfr 2 years ago
Black Metal is religious.
derantikrist 2 years ago
@derantikrist agreed yet what many people must understand is that even if it is a "religious" thing, what it actually promotes is the valors and ideologies from pagan / satanism religions.
DrakeMoons 1 year ago
\m/ HAIL WATAIN
NestOfSalt 2 years ago
'Black metal is not for everybody'
Probably the only thing i can agree with in this documentary :S
jadaj 2 years ago
HORNS UP
blaspherian 2 years ago