Wow, love the amount of people behind computer screens thinking they could seriously compete with these lot. Makes me actually laugh, ridiculous people. Grow up.
These lads are not strong. They should have faultless form and doing significantly more weight than this. Looks more like any gym in the country on a Thursday afternoon, not a team of professional athletes. The only guy who looks like he knows what he's doing is one doing hang snatches at the start.
@hadwll that doesn't mean they are as good as they should be in the gym. Maybe this is an accepted level of strength in rugby but they are no where near reaching there potential for strength or power.
@ajpurdon So which gym do you go to then? I know what professional rugby players are expected to lift, and it's very heavy by normal standards (e.g.bench of 160kg + for a back, 190kgs + for a front row forward).
but them on top of that you have to be conditioned to run around for 80 minutes non-stop.
Combining that level of strength with HUGE aerobic fitness is very difficult - I bet very few of the big lifting bodybuilders or powerlifters you see on thursday afternoon could do it.
@halifaxtanning I can't see any of the people in this video getting anywhere near those numbers. I realise they have to be all round athletes and have injury problems. This is their job after all, it's not like its a hobby. I just think that being the case they should be able to develop a higher level of strength and power in the gym than these are showing, especially as these are some of the best in the world.
@ajpurdon It doesn't look to me like any of them are trying to do RM1s. There is a clip on here of Carl Hayman box squatting 220kgs twice and Owen Franks squatting (without box) something similar 3 x. That's your benchmark for an international front row, and it's big. Of course top powerlifters or even some NFL linemen would lift more, but they have no aerobic conditioning.
@halifaxtanning bang on there mate to many keyboard heros commenting , as halifaxtanning said these guys are rugby players not bodybuilders , explosive power, and aerobic conditioning,would love to see all you ronnie coleman wanabees run around a rugby field for 80 mins
@ajpurdon You have to have been round these guys to appreciate just how conditioned they are as all round athletes, and it's pretty impressive. You would have to put in a lot of work and have genes on your side to get close. None of them lift light and every professional team will have some who lift big...... very big in some cases.
@ajpurdon OK mate why dont you apply for the job of SC at ulster rugby next time it comes up i would be happy if you could make them stronger and fmore powerful might win it again lol
@ajpurdon They also have to be good at rugby and totally willing to put their bodies on the line. Most of these guys are never more than 70 or 80% fit, they play whole seasons with niggling injuries, broken fingers, cracked ribs, that kind of thing. Even fewer of the big lifting bodybuilders or powerlifters you see on thursday afternoon would be willing to do that...... if they were, they'd be doing it....
Come on guys, that is some seriously bad form their. You guys need to be squatting below parallel (hip crease below top of knee). And I really expected to see some stronger lifts there. I know for a fact these guys are stronger than what these vids are portraying. But you need to get some experienced lifting coaches to explain and demonstrate why correct form is required.
@weaponologist1121: Squatting to parallel is fine too. One can arguably get more benefit out of squatting deep, but that's only if proper form can be maintained to reach such depth (ie tight extended back). But one should AT LEAST squat to parallel. And parallel is NOT just your thigh parallel to the ground. Parallel is the hip crease at the same height as the top of the patella. These guys aren't anywhere close to parallel, and the they risk patella tendon rupture by squatting high like that.
@MrSamboghini: Squatting to or below parallel means that the tension is taken partially off of the quads and hence, the patella tendon. When reaching proper depth, the hamstrings and glutes take half the tension off of the patella tendon. Trying to stop a heavy weight whilst max tension is on the tendon, and then trying to reverse direction (thereby drastically increasing tendon tension) is a HIGHLY risky (and stupid) idea. Proper depth makes the squat a knee neutral lift. Squat to parallel.
I've been searching for a good pre season Rugby Weights programme online for ever now and haven't found anything half decent! Anyone know of any good sites?
@oman0115 Mens health power training is a good programme which focuses on lifts which will make you stronger, faster and more powerful... good traits for rugby!
Stop talking nonsense! I'm a rugby player and a rugby players doesn't need to squat like a million kg, it's only for a better condition. Rugby is a bunch of things, not just gym workout, I bet no one of you can do a half of the things they do!
I really don't want to seem like the other people saying how much they can lift but I was surprised at the squatting at the end, it looks like 150/60 kg which seems light for a professional forward to be squatting, hmm, just an observation
@clogher88 typical internet expert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm pretty sure the numerous s&c coaches would be tell them if there was something drastically wrong!
'The jump squat is king when it comes to building explosive power in your legs and priming your lower body for growth. Just don't get caught going too heavy.
"A guy who's new to ballistic training should really only add about 20 percent of his bodyweight to the bar on the jump squat," says Thibaudeau. "A more advanced guy could use upward of 30 percent of his one-rep max on the squat, but that's the limit. Anything else is counterproductive." '
Those snatches are pretty impressive, one of the hardest things to do i the gym. I have a bone to pick with the jump squats though, if their expressed purpose is to develop speed?.. it should be done at a lighter weight otherwise you'll develop neuromuscular patterns for strength rather than speed.
yeh it is light but im saying the best way to develop speed is to use your own bodyweight( such as box jumps or sprint training) in conjugtion with an explosive type of squat such as band squats.
These guys are forwards though so I suspect that massive speed is not what they are after but instead explosive starting strength.
He was a shotputter back in Oz where he was an Olympic trialist in 2002, so he would have being hitting some serious weights back then certainly much nmore targeted than in rugby...
surprised stevie isnt in this showin up a few people :L
KarlMccallumUk 1 month ago
Wow, love the amount of people behind computer screens thinking they could seriously compete with these lot. Makes me actually laugh, ridiculous people. Grow up.
LikeARollingRock 10 months ago 2
These lads are not strong. They should have faultless form and doing significantly more weight than this. Looks more like any gym in the country on a Thursday afternoon, not a team of professional athletes. The only guy who looks like he knows what he's doing is one doing hang snatches at the start.
ajpurdon 1 year ago 2
@ajpurdon they are in the last eight of the euro cup so they must be doing sumit right
hadwll 1 year ago
@hadwll that doesn't mean they are as good as they should be in the gym. Maybe this is an accepted level of strength in rugby but they are no where near reaching there potential for strength or power.
ajpurdon 1 year ago
@ajpurdon So which gym do you go to then? I know what professional rugby players are expected to lift, and it's very heavy by normal standards (e.g.bench of 160kg + for a back, 190kgs + for a front row forward).
but them on top of that you have to be conditioned to run around for 80 minutes non-stop.
Combining that level of strength with HUGE aerobic fitness is very difficult - I bet very few of the big lifting bodybuilders or powerlifters you see on thursday afternoon could do it.
halifaxtanning 1 year ago
@halifaxtanning I can't see any of the people in this video getting anywhere near those numbers. I realise they have to be all round athletes and have injury problems. This is their job after all, it's not like its a hobby. I just think that being the case they should be able to develop a higher level of strength and power in the gym than these are showing, especially as these are some of the best in the world.
ajpurdon 1 year ago
@ajpurdon It doesn't look to me like any of them are trying to do RM1s. There is a clip on here of Carl Hayman box squatting 220kgs twice and Owen Franks squatting (without box) something similar 3 x. That's your benchmark for an international front row, and it's big. Of course top powerlifters or even some NFL linemen would lift more, but they have no aerobic conditioning.
halifaxtanning 1 year ago
@halifaxtanning bang on there mate to many keyboard heros commenting , as halifaxtanning said these guys are rugby players not bodybuilders , explosive power, and aerobic conditioning,would love to see all you ronnie coleman wanabees run around a rugby field for 80 mins
kiwinrg 8 months ago
@ajpurdon You have to have been round these guys to appreciate just how conditioned they are as all round athletes, and it's pretty impressive. You would have to put in a lot of work and have genes on your side to get close. None of them lift light and every professional team will have some who lift big...... very big in some cases.
halifaxtanning 1 year ago
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halifaxtanning 1 year ago
@ajpurdon OK mate why dont you apply for the job of SC at ulster rugby next time it comes up i would be happy if you could make them stronger and fmore powerful might win it again lol
hadwll 9 months ago
@ajpurdon They also have to be good at rugby and totally willing to put their bodies on the line. Most of these guys are never more than 70 or 80% fit, they play whole seasons with niggling injuries, broken fingers, cracked ribs, that kind of thing. Even fewer of the big lifting bodybuilders or powerlifters you see on thursday afternoon would be willing to do that...... if they were, they'd be doing it....
halifaxtanning 1 year ago
Does any one know the name of that contraption that the lad is lifting at 1.24?
Looks like a good piece of kit.
wilberforcewillow 1 year ago
@wilberforcewillow a trap bar
Myself0101 1 year ago
so when you are in rugby season should you keep doing weights coz i dont wanna get to sore for rugby training and the game?
hardstyler53 1 year ago
Come on guys, that is some seriously bad form their. You guys need to be squatting below parallel (hip crease below top of knee). And I really expected to see some stronger lifts there. I know for a fact these guys are stronger than what these vids are portraying. But you need to get some experienced lifting coaches to explain and demonstrate why correct form is required.
MrSamboghini 1 year ago
@MrSamboghini why do you go below parallel my coach makes us do that too and i always thought you just went to paarallel?
weaponologist1121 1 year ago
@weaponologist1121: Squatting to parallel is fine too. One can arguably get more benefit out of squatting deep, but that's only if proper form can be maintained to reach such depth (ie tight extended back). But one should AT LEAST squat to parallel. And parallel is NOT just your thigh parallel to the ground. Parallel is the hip crease at the same height as the top of the patella. These guys aren't anywhere close to parallel, and the they risk patella tendon rupture by squatting high like that.
MrSamboghini 1 year ago
@MrSamboghini: Squatting to or below parallel means that the tension is taken partially off of the quads and hence, the patella tendon. When reaching proper depth, the hamstrings and glutes take half the tension off of the patella tendon. Trying to stop a heavy weight whilst max tension is on the tendon, and then trying to reverse direction (thereby drastically increasing tendon tension) is a HIGHLY risky (and stupid) idea. Proper depth makes the squat a knee neutral lift. Squat to parallel.
MrSamboghini 1 year ago 2
I've been searching for a good pre season Rugby Weights programme online for ever now and haven't found anything half decent! Anyone know of any good sites?
oman0115 1 year ago
@oman0115 Mens health power training is a good programme which focuses on lifts which will make you stronger, faster and more powerful... good traits for rugby!
swaaahtome 1 year ago
Stop talking nonsense! I'm a rugby player and a rugby players doesn't need to squat like a million kg, it's only for a better condition. Rugby is a bunch of things, not just gym workout, I bet no one of you can do a half of the things they do!
Teka37 1 year ago
@auxois I think it's less weight because he has the bands on either side of the bar, this makes it much harder
TheStrengthTrainer 1 year ago
@TheStrengthTrainer its for explosive power
CillBill91 1 year ago
I really don't want to seem like the other people saying how much they can lift but I was surprised at the squatting at the end, it looks like 150/60 kg which seems light for a professional forward to be squatting, hmm, just an observation
Auxois 1 year ago
I am a wrestler and this is rough! I really hate this exercise but we must do it if we want to be strong!
xXxEllinasxXx 1 year ago
if you think you can do better, post a video response. Keyboard warriors...
AntillRS 1 year ago
if you think you can do better, post a video response. Fuckin keyboard warriors.
AntillRS 1 year ago
very bad techniques man
fob140790 2 years ago
awesome gym setup contends for american gyms.
Nik2555 2 years ago
i'm sorry but the technique there is really poor, those guys lift less than me and im 75kgs. no wonder ulster underperform
clogher88 2 years ago
@clogher88 typical internet expert!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! i'm pretty sure the numerous s&c coaches would be tell them if there was something drastically wrong!
disi69 1 year ago
whats with the running shoes? they ought to be wearing olympic weightlifting shoes for these lifts
TheRugbyidiot 2 years ago
woah they're so hot
Realteen 2 years ago
'The jump squat is king when it comes to building explosive power in your legs and priming your lower body for growth. Just don't get caught going too heavy.
"A guy who's new to ballistic training should really only add about 20 percent of his bodyweight to the bar on the jump squat," says Thibaudeau. "A more advanced guy could use upward of 30 percent of his one-rep max on the squat, but that's the limit. Anything else is counterproductive." '
the guy doing jump squats cannot squat 200kg.
mycenean 2 years ago
This is what an NFL training session would look like if they were'nt all on roids.
ronser2000 2 years ago
what are roids?:S
Realteen 2 years ago
I like the rubber bands on the squats. People do the same with bench but use heavy chains instead of bands
kimberreley 2 years ago
Caldwell has the gayest tatoos
touchmether 2 years ago
Those snatches are pretty impressive, one of the hardest things to do i the gym. I have a bone to pick with the jump squats though, if their expressed purpose is to develop speed?.. it should be done at a lighter weight otherwise you'll develop neuromuscular patterns for strength rather than speed.
mycenean 2 years ago
The jump squats were only with 59k which is light. Especially for pro athletes.
kimberreley 2 years ago
yeh it is light but im saying the best way to develop speed is to use your own bodyweight( such as box jumps or sprint training) in conjugtion with an explosive type of squat such as band squats.
These guys are forwards though so I suspect that massive speed is not what they are after but instead explosive starting strength.
mycenean 2 years ago
He was a shotputter back in Oz where he was an Olympic trialist in 2002, so he would have being hitting some serious weights back then certainly much nmore targeted than in rugby...
coldphinger 2 years ago
Wow Tom Court is a beast in the gym!
akoomusict 2 years ago