Tucson Tea Party Protest July 17, 2009 At Gabby Gifford's office

[tranmere789]

You gotta learn to love tax or at least you gotta stop talking about e.g national security. Tax ain't devil, it's absolutely necessary to all devoloped nations.

[BringIt2TheMax]

@tranmere789

Yes you are right that taxes are necessary, but wasting those taxes on ridiculous bailouts is not. A system under which 50% of the populous pay no income taxes, and then demand that others pay more taxes is not necessary either...

No one has talked about eliminating all taxes, they have talked about the proper role of government, the proper use of taxes, and the proper system by which we are taxed.

[BaseballTyler19]

@SuperDelicate

It is shocking how ignorant you are. Did you forget something... LOUGHNER WASN'T A TEA PARTY ACTIVIST! I live in Tucson, attended this same rally, live minutes from where she was shot and it is truly amazing how the national leftist media is taking a tragedy like this to blame innocent individuals. It's disgusting...

[mexicamaya]

disgusting lot luckily u all look pretty old and need to kick the bucket pretty soon , end all ssi and medicare to tea party members , if u hate govt so much give up ur socialized medicine ssi u ol geezers

[BringIt2TheMax]

@mexicamaya

English class and a dictionary, I understand that you are a clear product of the unionized school system, but YouTube does give you enough characters to be able to express coherent thoughts with some proper grammar and clear and concise language... And you say Tea Party members are ignorant...

[mexicamaya]

u guys got what u wanted

[elizabethfaraone]

Watch today's episode of Democracy Now, January 10, 2011.

[mgrzyma]

I like that poster at 2:38: "We will take you out". Anybody who recognizes the dude carrying that sign please report his identity to the investigators.

Congratulations Tea Party! Are you happy now? So who is next on your "2nd amendment remedy" black-list?

[BringIt2TheMax]

@mgrzyma

I'm not sure who is more mentally ill, the man that believes that the government was changing the grammar of our language and killed several people because of it. Or people like yourself that are looking to making some political traction on that horrific action... I fell sad for him, because being mentally ill is not something he could control. I feel disgust for you, because you obviously choose not to control yourself.

[SuperDelicate]

Congrats you Tea Party bastards. Giffords got shot in the head. Sarah Palin, Fox News, etc have been stoking this fire for many months in the hopes this would hapeen to President Obama, Nancy Polosi, and others. They've been practicing FOR MONTHS, their "This is a shocking attack. We don't know WHAT could have provoked someone to do something like THIS" speech. Hold these FOX NEWS, hockey mom bastards accountable!

[BringIt2TheMax]

@SuperDelicate To top of the sadness of this day, I think it is horrid that you and many others would use the actions of what has been shown to be a purely non-political mad man, who had nothing to do with the Tea Party, to try and make some sort of political point for yourselves. Peaceful political disagreements, and boisterous political discourse has always been a part of America. I am sad for you, and I pray for ALL the victims of this tragedy, no mater their political leanings...

[elizabethfaraone]

@BringIt2TheMax Unfortunately, the hatred and demonization of others is too often expressed and can lead to the mentally ill killing those they believe are evil. The definition of boisterous: violently agitated and turbulent. Praying will not bring back the dead. Praying will not prevent future tragedies. We have to make the change within ourselves to prevent these types of tragedies. We have to be loving & generous & truly peaceful, instead of fearful & withholding & war engaging.

[BringIt2TheMax]

@elizabethfaraone I agree with you, demonizing others that you don't agree with because of the ideas that they hold rather then engaging them in discussion can lead the mentally ill farther into their own trapped minds. Which is why it's interesting that the left has continued to call those in the Tea Party, fascist, Nazis, racists, now murders, and depicted George Bush as Adolf Hitler.

So, is it alright for the Left to use this demonizing language and not the right?

[elizabethfaraone]

@BringIt2TheMax I do not call those in the Tea Party names. I do, however, find many people worldwide to be racists and to condone violence and to hold distorted views of history. George Bush and his administration are right wing. They invaded Iraq. So what is the truth about George Bush and his administration and what is the truth about those who support him. Remember, nationalism is very dangerous. There will be no progress if people behave violently - only death and destruction.

[BringIt2TheMax]

@elizabethfaraone

The invasion of Iraq is debatable (I was part of it, soldiers don't choose their wars), but it has nothing to do with what this mentally ill man did. So, I'm not up for that debate right now. I appreciate your not using name calling, but I think we both can agree that many would rather demonize others rather than confront their logically flawed ideas, with more rationally based, factually supported ideas. Ideas have power, unfortunately, hate seems to have more sometimes.

[elizabethfaraone]

@elizabethfaraone Watch my video and you'll understand where I'm coming from. I'm not interested in arguing with anyone. watch?v=SG1GQP7cXfs

[BringIt2TheMax]

@elizabethfaraone

I like the sentiments of your video, and we all want a world in which there was no war. But, unfortunately we live in a world were the physically strong will often imprison the weak. Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, all were bad men and peace was not going to change them, but only embolden them. The institution of slavery only came to end through the loss over 100,000 American lives, but would you deny that the freedom of an entire race of people was not worth it?

[elizabethfaraone]

@BringIt2TheMax Watch "Blind Spot: Hitler's Secretary." Hitler was very afraid. His and his underlings' reactions and solutions were based in fear. Hitler also used very strong prescription drugs. He suffered from mental illness. I believe that President Bush and his underlings also suffer from metal illness and their delusions become the delusions of those they convince. When victims are created, the answer is to offer refuge, but never to kill. I have never responded to crisis w/ violence

[jrjohnryanjr]

looks like the Tea Party took out this "traitor" Was that Jared there in the t shirt  next to the sign

[gonadcancervictim]

in before the take all guns away comments who havent studied australia, switzerland or the steps taken by all military dictators prior to commiting atrocities in the name of colectivism

[mullikrk]

I wonder if her shooter was here. Right-wingers terrorists? No, of course not-- they are great upstanding people.

[DJSpinoza]

You crazy people better not have been behind this.

[nadreev]

Shameful idiots and hyprocrites under the anthem of a twangy song. TRAITOR TATERS.

[BringIt2TheMax]

@dudenaz Also, we do not care what race anyone is, our point of contention is one of political and economic ideology. If you believe that YOU are better at deciding what benefits your life and the government should not choose that, then your part of the Tea Party. If you believe that YOU should benefit from the work YOU do, and that YOU should not be forced to give it to anyone else, then YOU are part of the Tea Party. Ideology not race is what matter. No matter how much you yell we're racists.

[dudenaz]

looks like a middle aged lily white crowd to me..and they represent the people? I think not (me a middle aged white male)

[BringIt2TheMax]

@dudenaz

Wow, almost a year late on this one. Great thing is that multiple surveys have shown that the Tea Party actually is a real representation of the average American.

And, given that the only favorite you have is "Les Cowboys Fringants - L'hiver approche" I have doubts you are a middle aged white guy...

I'm just saying...

[dudenaz]

@BringIt2TheMax

I am 53/white/male living in Tucson...I fail to understand what understand what like "l'hiver approche" has anything to do with me being middle aged and white? Maybe I am just more opened minded...the tea party is NOT representative of the US population....very few blacks, hispanics, etc...very much a white middle aged...

[BringIt2TheMax]

@dudenaz

True, you may just like the video... But, facts are great things, rather than simply looking at a picture and making a broad statement, why not actually look at real polling results. Like the one from Gallop at gallup (dot) com/poll/127181/Tea-Partiers-F­airly-Mainstream-Demographics.­aspx

Which shows that the tea party is very much representative of America in it's demographics.

[dudenaz]

@BringIt2TheMax S

Fact - the so called Tea party is not a true representation of America and it's demographics - you may like to believe that, but it is not true. America is becoming less white, less chrisitan, less WASP...and it scares organizations like the TP. I hate to tell you this - but I am also a representation of the American people...I my office is right next to the Presidio Park where the Tax TP was held...it was mostly white middled people..I saw it first hand.

[BringIt2TheMax]

@dudenaz So, where do you get your facts? I have multiple polls, from multiple sources that prove my point, you on the other hand will wave your hand and proclaim it to be true. Also, at the TParty at El Presidio Park, we had a fine mix of white and Hispanic Americans there... Here is Tucson, we don't have a large population of African Americans, so I would not expect them to be overly represented, although they were... On top of that our main speaker was black... Is he a racist?

[jrjohnryanjr]

@BringIt2TheMax well looks like the Tea Party took care of this "traitor" Is that Jared next to the sign?

[jrjohnryanjr]

well looks like the Tea Party went and took care of this "traitor" Is that Jared i see next to the sign? loos like him.

[jrjohnryanjr]

well looks like the Tea Party went and took care of this "traitor" Is that Jared i see next to the sign? looks like him.

[MrMopars440]

"Tea Party" is a Big Lie. It's not the simple 1700s. We now have millions of life-saving water-food-air-safety, police, military, etc. provided by "big government" (We The People). During the real Tea Party there were no freeways, bridges nor school that allow real tax-paying patriots to work & contribute to the superior progress this nation has. I've never whined about paying taxes as without regulations many of us wouldn't be here. Due to Cheney's deregulations the Gulf is an oil pool."

[BringIt2TheMax]

Actually, the constitution holds for certain things such as the common defense, the building of roads, and the regulating of interstate trade, none of which are the Tea Party against. What it doesn't provide for is the bailing out of private companies, or citizens that make bad choices. Also until 1979 when the DOE was created, education was doing just fine under state control, that year actually marks the decline of education in America.

[BringIt2TheMax]

As to the Gulf oil spill, it is actually excessive government regulation that mandated that they would have to drill in an area that is 5 miles deep. If they were allowed to drill in shallow water or on land this accident would have been nothing more than a 30 second news report, because it would have been capped the first day.

The Answer to fixing the problems that government creates is not another agency, or another investigation, it is smaller more efficient government.

[ss11s]

I bet that Homeland security are reviewing this tape now that domestic terrorists have attacked her office.

[walthomas]

I love these people. The silent majority is getting louder everyday and I love these people. I don't question why so many whites.I question were are all the other hard working immigrant Americans? I know they love this Country's freedoms as much as I do or they wouldn't be here. How could you be in favor of more regulations, more wastefull spending for power and control, and a progressive take over of our beloved constitution?

[EpsilonKias]

Barack Obama is the worst socialist ever! The money goes to the banks, Not to the people! Not to mention the very money from the "FAILED" stimulus bill has been used by many conservative politicians to better their constituency.

Silly Tea-party idiots, They don't know what socialism is, and they seem to rally behind "small government" without even knowing what it was. Large Military Expenditures does not = Small gov't, nor do low taxes.

[RavenLikeDaBird]

white trash

[zombierape]

I would rather just burn it all down. Simple.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Sorry IIIArrow711, but in the US the emergency room can't turn you down regardless of your insurance status. You really need to look a little deeper into things before you spout off about them. Canadian health care is the reason why a lot of cities on the Northern boarder of the US have such great tourist packages. The Canadians love American health care.

[walthomas]

almost as corrupt as the government...well not even close but you made your point. The grass is always greener in Canada, good luck

[devioussf]

I'm not Canadian, but this is so completely wrong on so many levels. You, too, need to look a bit further into your baseless claim of Canadians loving American health care. That's just a lie.

[walthomas]

name one

[leotanker]

Rep or Dem they both fuck the people over. It's time to get rid of the corruption in the government and start putting term limits on these bitches

[RyeParish]

Where were all of you tea party people when the Bush admin hornswoggled us into the war in Iraq, ran a government surplus up into the current economic crisis, violated the Geneva convention and the Bill of Rights and our privacy?

As usual, its the right wingers that need someone else to get all of us out of the trouble you got us into. And then you whine and complain that it isnt being fixed fast or fairly enough. Take a deep breath and a hike.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Lets see, on 9/11 I was defending this country. When we went into Afghanistan to destroy the organization that attacked this country, I was defending this country. When 60% of the people of the United States and the United Nations were behind invading Iraq, I was defending this country. When Bush bailed out private companies I spoke out and was ignored. And as our new President tries his best to destroy this country, I will continue to defend this country and I WILL NOT BE IGNORED ANYMORE.

[BringIt2TheMax]

The very politicians that push for national healthcare have also exempted themselves from it, even the President will not answer if he would have his own children in such a system.

Although I feel for your situation, I will not sacrifice my family or my children simply so that everyone can have the same poor quality subsistence level of healthcare, that the federal government has shown it will provide and that a national program will bring.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Time and again the government has shown itself to be inept, incompetent, and incapable of running these kinds of systems. You yourself mention Medicaid and Medicare, two very expensive and inefficient systems. Also, there is social security a system that was supposed to provide retirees with a respectable retirement, which now only provides a subsistence level just above poverty.

[BringIt2TheMax]

For some reason Youtube only posted part of what I wrote so let me try again.

Interesting...

All the state programs I have seen are very inexpensive or free since they are for people that cannot pay.

Unfortunately, what you are asking is not that a small number of people be brought up to some gold standard of care, but instead that everyone be brought down to some government minimum level of care

[dannyd1572]

The thing about it is, how do you know it will be poor? Who has told you that? We have no proof that it will be and we have no proof that it won't be. I think we should all be open to change regarding this. Medicaid/ Medicare was opposed by the REpublicans 50 years ago, and its Government ran and works.

[dannyd1572]

Let's see..they hold protesting signs that say they want the Government to stay out of people's lives yet scream about abortion rights and the taking away of gun rights. People will protest anything when they are paid.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Hey there Dannyd1572,

I thought it was sad also that the liberal organizations could only find 50 people willing to get paid to protest for higher taxes (through Cap and Trade) and for having the government set up committees to decide if your worthy of getting the medical care you need, or if you should just be advised on how to die gracefully.

I am glad to see that lots of people were willing to give up their own time and take off work early to protest against those things though!

[dannyd1572]

I've never had insurance. Whats it like? I have Epilepsy and no insurance company has ever accepted me be. Ever. That's really scary. I mean think about it. The last time I went to a nearby hospital they bused me to a hospital 100 miles away that would take me. These people protesting have insurance..Medicaid/ Medicare is Government insurance or they have insurance through work. That's pry why work gave them time off to protest. But think about those like me who don't have insurance. Its scary.

[BringIt2TheMax]

I'm sorry to hear that.

In my state the state has insurance programs to insure people that can't get insurance. What state do you live in? Have you looked into what your state does? I have no problems with a state helping people who actually can't afford insurance...

But, I do not want to be forced under a federal program that has a government bureaucrat decide whether I get medical care or not, which is the ultimate goal of what they are trying to do.

[dannyd1572]

Your right, but they are very expensive programs and are only available at a couple of hospitals through the state, one of them being the University of Iowa. I have to have someone drive me 100 miles just to see a neurologist when there is one 13 miles away. As a result that I can't drive and its so far away, I can't make most of my appointments because a lot of people just don't want to drive and sit around in a hospital with someone all day. It's not a good situation to bein.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Although I feel for your situation, I will not sacrifice my family or my children simply so that everyone can have the same poor quality subsistence level of healthcare, that the federal government has shown it will provide and that a national program will bring.

[LMinni7]

dannyd1572,

I was out there protesting, it was fun. By the way...im uninsured too. Have been for over a year now. I don't think its fair to make others pay for my health care!

[dannyd1572]

Do you make over $250,000 a year? If you don't then you won't be taxed. If you do, you pry have a good health care plan. I don't have health care and I don't make that kind of money. However, I would be willing to chip in an extra couple hundred dollars each year to help bring care to everyone in the US. Why in the world would I not want to help out someone? It would be very cold of me to not want to help. I guess I just don't understand the opposing view points.

[BringIt2TheMax]

I make nowhere near $250,000. At the same time I do not think it is ok for 51% of people to look at others and say to them, "if you dont give me what I want I will steal it from you".

Make no mistake, taxing someone simply to give their money to someone else is theft.

Also, the bill will tax anyone 2.5% more that does not have insurance for any amount of time, even if it is for only one day. For a person making $50,000 thats $1250. Tell me again how it will only steal from the rich

[dannyd1572]

Taxing and give part of your money to someone else is theft? Are you sure about that? Is Social Security theft? How about Medicare/ Medicaid? You public librar? Your post office? How about your government run ambulance or fire depart? What about the Vets clubs or the Vets hospitals? What about the interstate system? I mean your taxing your money so other people can use all of the services above. That was kind of a ridiculous thing for you to say.

[BringIt2TheMax]

If I say to the IRS "I don't want you to take my money" what happens? Men with guns take me to jail. If I'm standing on the street and a mugger comes to me and I say, "I don't want you to take my money" and he pulls a gun and takes it from me, we call it THEFT. Do you just call it re-distribution of wealth?

Does the government provide some good stuff? yup... roads, police officers, military, stuff that benefits everyone, not just you.

Interesting you didn't say anything about the new tax

[dannyd1572]

Yes....that's a big difference. The Gov. takes it and they use it to provide things humans needs to live together cohesively in society. Muggers don't provide that benefit.......

[BringIt2TheMax]

A mugger steals from others so that he can live... You wish to steal from others, so that you can be more comfortable...

Simply having the government behind you creates nothing more than criminals-by-right and looters-by-law.

Did you need to own GM? did you need to control Chrysler? Does our government need to control the best medical system man has ever created? I for one say no.

I see you still didn't mention that new tax, probably because you already knew it was in the bill.

[dannyd1572]

Politicians are thieves..so if you want to call the Government politicans..that's fine but I wouldn't exactly call the policies put forth that were voted on by the people, are that of stealing. Secondly, George Bush bailed out just about everybody and left Obama to clean up. Third, we do not have the best health care. According to the World Health Association we rank 37th...right next to Zimbabwe.

[BringIt2TheMax]

The first bailout that Bush did was wrong. But Obama supercharged it, so lets stop the blame Bush stuff, that even you know is a lie. That's the sign of someone that has no real ideological grounding and is now simply turning to defaming those he is arguing against.

And lets get real about the ranking, next to Zimbabwe. Seriously, here in American anyone that absolutely needs to have healthcare can get it, emergency rooms can't turn you down.

[dannyd1572]

No, your wrong. I know firsthand that a hospital can deny you to another hospital willing to take you. That has happened to me. Why? I have no idea, but it what wrong. I don't have insurance, have Epilepsy, had a problem, the local hospital wouldn't help me, so they put me in an ambulance and shipped me 60 miles away to a state hospital. Yeah, lets get real....check out our ranking of healthcare. Why is it we take care of more people for free outside of the US than we do in the US?

[BringIt2TheMax]

I can't speak to your case exactly, but the fact is you got medical care. In many socialist states you would have waited in line for a week or more to see a doctor. You got to see one the same day...

Was it a hassle I'm sure it was, did you see a doctor? Sounds like you did, just not right that second that you wanted to... Maybe their were more important cases ahead of you that needed to be taken care of, so they moved you to another hospital to give all involved better care.

[devioussf]

Please name a few of these "socialist" countries, because I can tell you from experience that ALL of Western Europe has better care, and there are not lines for a week. Such a notion only reflects the ignorance of many -- not all -- on the right about the world.

[walthomas]

please move there. You obviously don't know what a free county is. It is were you are responsible for yourself and the government is limited to protecting your freedoms and its borders. lets work on that first then we can talk health care

[rentatrip1]

Danny D 1572 YOu are a simple & ignorant fool if you believe that only people earning over $250,000.oo pr year will "BE TAXED" what tree did you fall out of? If you breath air and walk on land you will be taxed, I think you must have been drinking too much Obama Cool-aide my boy- take a giant wake up pill and smell the coffee !

[dannyd1572]

Ok, so what. So what if I get taxed. If I could help make the US a better place, insuring that you, your kids, or parents get insured just because I paid an extra amount each year, so be it. What's wrong with that? Have people lost their heart? I have Epilepsy and I can't get covered because of a "PRECONDITION." Do you think thats fair? Do you think its fair that I have to be denied meds, not go to good docs because I can't pay $600 a visit for a good neurologist?

[tristramshandy3]

what are you basing that statement on other than emotion and fear?

do you have specific information that shows how Obama is going to raise taxes on the middle or working class?

SPECIFICS- not Glenn Becks.

[walthomas]

cap and trade, more EPA standards to restrict business, letting Bush's Tax cuts expire, increasing spending by twice that of bush's eight years in his first year, and asking for a jobs stimulus after passing his economic stimulus that isn't even two thirds spent yet? Do you even watch the news or just comedy central?

[tristramshandy3]

cap and trade? has that passed?

Increasing spending by twice that of Bush? Where are you getting those numbers- the heritage foundation or fox entertainment channel?

I favor EPA standards. What- conservatives don't want their kids to have clean water top drink and air to breath?

You people are silly. Thank Buddha there aren't very many of you.

[WilliamCerf]

One of the better Tea Party Video's I've seen. I lived in Tucson from 1997 - 2002, so it was nice to see the mountains and the scenery. I also like the fact that you used music instead of shouting and yelling.

[Hutchins1961]

Thanks for the gay sex the other night.

[BringIt2TheMax]

Hutchins1961,

Thank you so much for the reply.

I think it is extremely enlightening to see that our opposition is being represented by such intellectual giants such as yourself.

With such wonderful use of the English language and such wonderful oratory skills as you possess there is no doubt that you are a true credit to all of those that hold your political ideals.

[usadefender1]

AWESOME! Everyday our numbers grow and it will not be long when our government will have to read the constitution and listen to the people or get out!

[kenniblelector]

.... what really surprised me was the support of those driving by.... for every one person who yelled something nasty of flipped the bird... 50 people drove by and honked and gave the thumbs up....

it made me feel great!

[sidonie3]

Whoohoo! Amazing turnout and the temp was 107!

[opal10200]

awesome video!!! keep up the good work patriots- keep spreading around this video because we need to inform people one by one. Most are CLUELESS- they don't realize what ths government is doing to the nation!!!

[azprime]

Go Devils!

[KCSteak]

Bravo!

[LMinni7]

What a great day that was!!!!!! I had a blast, Thank you for putting this video together!!!!!!!!