for $8000 they could build more than 11 bikes, those old bikes are probably $50-100 each, the "generators" or electric scooter motors are about $30-50 new.
I could use the plans for this system. I live in a school bus in the woods (not kidding) and I would love a cheaper source of clean energy. Any thoughts? Love you guys.
Listening to this story I remembered a great cartoon about the first solar powered rock concert. An array of solar cells, 3'X4", that was hooked up to the speakers and amplifiers and the singer turns around to the guy running the power a says "what do you mean IT IS ON".
Switched son's SSI from TrustCo to Credit Union today. Credit Union gave 60$ to his account opening new direct deposit! WooHoo! #OCCUPYBANKS #OWS #OCCUPYWALLSTREET #CANARYPARTY
If you had actually been to one of the occupy sites you would see the people are honest, most have jobs in addition to the work they are doing at occupy. The thing that most struck me was just how intelligent, caring and democratic they are. They have so much integrity and honesty, so no worries about where the money goes, these are decent people. Just a suggestion, engage with them or just visit your local occupy site and see for yourself. Pleace and Love xx
Oh please. Spare me your poor pity party and extreme exaggeration. The folks in Chicago were nice enough to hand out McDonalds applications at the Occupy Chicago protest. I have 2 college degrees and worked at a mechanic shop while trying to find a more career worth job. There are lots of jobs out there.
@brfatal1 you have not read about unemployment and foreclosure rates apparently. Minimum wage McD's jobs, that's all you got to offer? Are they living wages, or qualify for Food STamps and Medicaid? Wallyworld recommends these to their low paid "associates". So taxpayers are supporting WORKING POOR now, because corporatist candidates will not pass laws for wealthy and corporate tax avoiders to pull their tax weight. Do you just not see?
That's the most stupid I have heard.. all the parts needed are basically something many people have laying around in their garage, something you can find at flee markets or the junk yard.
Why not just make up a list of the things you need for building those generator bikes and tweet it, post or do whatever and you will have those parts within hours..
People are more likely to donate an old electric motor than money. You need parts not money.
Green renewable energy? No fossil fuel?? No harmful effects to the environment??? COMMUNIST son of a bitches! These people must be stopped at all costs!
I wonder if they realize that the human body is only 12-20% efficient at generating power. At best, a cyclist is only 30% efficient, which isnt much better than a standard gas engine, and the typical max output for an average person is 60 watts (11 bikes x 60 = 660 watts). This will actually generate more CO2 per kWh than a biodiesel engine would. Why not just go solar? Cheaper and more power. Duh...
@dougsk8rwiggy For EIGHT THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS, you could replace them with biodiesel ones. Or, just one or two central units and have plenty to spare. Eight grand for a 600 watts of power is just plain stupid. Thats like $14/watt of power + man hours to keep it running. It doesnt make any economic sense, but then again, with these people, sense need not apply.
@dougsk8rwiggy Or, is it just some grad student thats cobbling some crap together, and theyre pocketing the rest. Ill let you decide. Either way, its a shit deal.
More idiots. You bunch of hippocrates... Iphones..blackberries,laptops. You complain about corporate greed and your feeding right into it. What a joke "occupy" is ! Look at all the crime,rapes,drug use is within your protests.
Share the wealth!...get off your ass and do something or is this just another excuse not to work and live off others?
The occupiers were complaining the other day that the homeless are free loading off the food they cook for the movement. They apparently dont like their hard work being used to benefit those not associated with their cause. Self Awareness?
I'm no economist however it seems to me that things should be fairly priced so that people shouldn't need loans to be able to afford them, weather it a car, house or collage education. If it were up to me i would do away with the credit system, It's a system that perpetuates greed corruption and Discrimination.
@slrvette I have to pay taxes as well, so you could say that I hand my money over to people for nothing. And i still think the credit system should be discontinued.
Okay, all you haters... you think that $725 apiece is too much money for the bikes. You think these people should buy inverters made in China from Walmart. THINK. That's the whole reason we're IN this mess. If there's a better, more practical way to do this, why not OFFER IDEAS instead of just whining? That's why the US is in decline and Asian countries are the rising stars of the world.
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These things are too left-wing for me, but I bet that there is a line of people begging to ride the bike, just like a job. Herman Cain would probably tell the ones who can't ride the bike to blame themselves
The U.S. regime says that generators and gas cans are fire hazards? Then why don't they remove all the cars on the streets? They are moving fire hazards. The regime is just trying to make it more difficult for the protestors.
Energy bikes are not sustainable, they only work for specific cases for a specific amount of time. They work well in this case when you have a lot of people willing to operate them but, human power is not sustainable. One barrel of oil has more energy in it then 11 of these bikes running nonstop for months. Think about the additional food requirements for these people and how that will hurt the environment. Gas might be more environmental than energy bikes. Also a barrel of oil is 100$.
I have often thought that bikes could make elec for events where the audience directly participates in the show. My rig would tie a rack of several bikes together, belts on the back rims, instead of tires, would drive a common shaft- flywheel at one end, power takeoff ant the other. People could use the gearing to maximize their effort.
I ave often thought that bikes could make elec for events where the audience directly participates in the show. My rig would tie a rack of several bikes together, belts on the back rims, instead of tires, would drive a common shaft- flywheel at one end, power takeoff ant the other. People could use the gearing to maximize their effort.
No shit. That's fucking awesome. Suck on -that-, NYPD and FDNY! You can take their generators and shit all you want - a human-powered dynamo ain't a "public safety hazard".
Actually, thinking about the power generating capacity a small generator would have powered by a bike and the storage capacity of a ~500 dollar battery, I'm wondering how much experimentation they have into finding the optimal combination.
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So let me get this straight...they need 11 bikes but already have 1. It is going to cost over $8000 for 10 bikes, that is $800 per bike. Have these tree hugging idiots never heard of Target, Walmart, Sears, etc? I got a killer aluminum full suspension mountain bike for $120, with disc brakes and everything. I'm pretty sure a stationary bike is far less.
No wonder they all want socialism. None of them can do math.
@v12tommy Just so you know, battery backups, using AC mains to charge, can cost over a thousand dollars for real high end ones, that'd probably be expected to service similar loads to what they might be wanting to do here, so depending on what sort of battery setup they're actually using, adding the cost of a bike, generator, and other assorted bits and pieces, 800 dollars doesn't sound unreasonable at all.
@kiaas Yes it does. I guess hippies have no idea about electricity, but hopefully they get shocked in the process. All you would need is deep cycle car batteries, and an inverter. Inverters are cheap, and used car batteries would work for what you are doing with them. You could build the whole thing, bike included, for under $100. Just further proof hippies have no concept of reality. Those idiots should just go home and get a job already. What a bunch of losers.
@v12tommy Can you provide some sources on your figure? the lowest I'm getting is 300-450 dollars, most centered on the dynamo, when sorting through, and it isn't all well suited to the job, such as the battery might be lower-than-optimal-capacity, and not sure about the efficiency of my selected inverter, SO if you can point out cheaper, new, sources, I'd love to see it and so would they. Also note that the battery they showed appears to have lots more features than the parts I looked at.
@kiaas I don't have a clue what a dynamo is or why you need one. As far as less than optimal batteries, it doesn't really matter. Just hook multiple batteries together. Inverters are like $20 or less at Walmart, and you can find all sorts of core batteries and alternators in car junkyards that would work perfectly fine.
The fact they want to run lights off of it is a complete joke. If anything, they will probably end up charging a couple phones before they run out of people exercising.
@v12tommy a dynamo is a generator that produces DC current. Alternators also require a fair bit of RPM to be really effective, so a dynamo optimized for bike-speeds makes more sense than grabbing an alternator that may or may not be in good shape from a junk yard. the efficiency of the inverter matters, too, because a 20-25 dollar one will probably waste a fair bit of energy and possibly not provide enough protections from uneven current for laptops and such.
Also, after looking up a few details... they have every reason to go with very optimized stuff. A trained cyclist can sustain 400watts of output for about an hour, most people are going to do 50-100watts. That'll run some small, efficient lights and charge essential communications devices, but only with as little waste between conversions from one form of energy to another as possible. This makes sense is very special circumstances only, such as the one they're in now.
@kiaas It doesn't really matter what they do, so they might as well save some money. That is my whole point. They want to run lights, a media center, charge everyone's phones, etc. and they can't do it. The idiots have no clue about electricity or math. I could see charging some cell phones, but with the energy they are demanding, they could have a whole row of bikes running 24/7 and it still wouldn't work.
@jakezone I don't need to build an energy bike...I have a house...with electricity...powered by "evil" fossil fuels, and I love it. In fact, in a few minutes I am about to go do the opposite of an energy bike, I am going to run on my treadmill. Instead of me working out to make electricity, it uses electricity to help me work out.
And I don't have an issue with math. I quit my job as an engineer a few years ago to start my own business. Both of those require excellent math skills.
@v12tommy you blasted them for not buying a bike at the box stores. I explain that an energy bike can't be bought for $120 at Wal Mart and now you go off on whatever tangent this is...You said they were bad at math, now you are talking about your love for fossil fuels when I call you out on it. Like I said before, you can't call people bad at math when you can't even figure out the problem. Keep it classy.
@jakezone I could build an energy bike for $120 easily. I just choose not to. It wouldn't be hard at all. You need a bike, a generator or alternator, a couple batteries, and an inverter. All those are either cheap new, or can be found used. Plus all those whiny hippies are asking for $8000 in donations, why not just use the $500,000+ they already collected? Those morons are a complete joke, and I look forward to news articles every morning just to watch their little experiment fail.
@v12tommy suuuure you could. Suuure. OWS might fail, it might succeed. If you don't want to give money, don't give money. It's just sad you're so insecure that you have to mock people who are trying to fight for something. They've actually built a bike. They're taking action. And the only one whining here has been you. I won't respond to you again. Bitter people like you aren't worth the time. Just wanted to point out that saying they should buy a bike at the store was a little stupid.
Why not use some of the half-million dollars that Occupy Wall St has received in donations? Sounds like another "save this puppy from abuse" or "feed a hungry African" organization.
@Bushcamper4Sale And have both of your commitees get in contact with my Protest manager via internet relay chat so we could post on some bbs. kktnxbai
@bobbystarbuck voting for consensus is corrupt? Apparently half million is saved and not being spent indiscriminately, wise strategy during the winter
@dustylense You're an asshole, but I admit, the comment about the dreadlocks made me do a spit take
@wvglocker It's 11 generators to power a few lights and some computer equipment. It's not like they're heating water to give every protester a hot shower.
They're going to take away those bikes under the guise of "No permits" or something. Especially if they're powering anything to create warmth when the cold really arrives.
ROFL! Either their numbers have been massively over-reported, Zuccotti Park just happens to be in the center of a dark matter vortex that overrides the normal laws of conservation of energy, or they are scamming feel good donations from morons.
Or, why now use solar panels? Wait, it's overcast there and you won't be able to store energy. OK, a small wind farm. SHit! Not windy today. Fuck, I spent all this money on expensive solar panels and the sun has not been out for 5 days day through. Wait, we can charge up 25 lead batteries if we use our beards and rub them together and create static. It's gonna get so cold that you will be burning your weed to stay warm.
$8000? For a craigslist used stationary, some wires, and a powerstore that you can buy at Costco? Oh wait, Costco is a corp. Can go there. Man, socialism is expensive! This is to power items with 6 volts! LOL. Why not build a wheel that 4 or 5 or you can run in and just dangle some granola in front of for incentive. If you ding dongs have your way, every home will need one of these so we can charge our flashlights.
How is this considered self sustainable, when they need outside finds to prop it up? That isn't self sustainability, it is living on someone elses dime.
Anyone find it funny that people have "stereotyped" this group as hippies living off handouts from society, and here this hippy is asking for a handout?
You want money for your bikes? get out there and work for it, just like anyone who could donate would have to do.
@BuddyIStalking he is asking for funding for this special pedal energy project, the donations in the bank are probably already designated for basic needs, wintering fund, etc by the General Assembly
is it a case like liberalspeak.. like black is white and war is peace? Because oil and gas are heavily taxed in this country, not subsidized. You obviously dont know what you are talking about. Green energy is heavily subsidized and granted preferential tariffs in India and China.
@hinduzionkafir "As Oil Industry Fights a Tax, It Reaps Subsidies" w w w. nytimes. com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax. html
Also the obvious Oil and Coal lobbying and campaign donating that keeps Big Oil and Big Coal in preferential treatment in America, in spite of oil spills & air pollution, while other nations zoom ahead in clean energy
@hinduzionkafir subsidies? so you are against subsidies to Big Oil & Big Coal? GOOD, Clean Energy will thrive without those dirty subsidized fossil fuel monopolies!
@hinduzionkafir actually China is first in clean energy investment, don't you want America to be Number One? w w w. 2point6billion. com/news/2011/03/30/china-1st-india-10th-in-clean-energy-investment-attraction-8961. html
This is a FABULOUS IDEA! This is what I have been saying all along, we need a CLEAN DEAL for CLEAN JOBS PROGRAMS & CLEAN EDUCATIONAL TRAINING PROGRAMS to build CLEAN INFRASTRUCTURES and CLEAN RENEWABLE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY to get this country MOVING IN A CLEAN ECONOMY!!! I was pregnant downwind of a coal-fired paper mill, my son was born with Asperger's Syndrome. A CLEAN AMERICAN ENVIRONMENT is necessary for healthy Americans to WORK for Life, Liberty & Pursuit of Happiness
i barely have any money after paying bills/food, but i want to help pedal, this is a cool idea! i was not aware this occupation was so extreme. like a community inside the city. i just hope crime doesnt become a problem within.
@RiddimPirate Watch the livestreams....even if a "demonstrator" is about to loose his temper, there are at once up to 10 persons to calm him.....Stay peaceful is the most spoken word amongst them.... I know many of the Occupy Movement all over the world, and I know none being violent... <3<3<3
The hippies need to leave #OWS, or at least cut their hair when the media is paying attention, instant alienation for everybody whos not shaggy yet harbor sympathies. Still love you guys!
Make electricity without burning gas or kerosene, get exercise and keep warm in the cold weather.Awesome on so many levels! People will be standing on line to have a turn.
People are tired of hearing punditson the right and on the left. The same drivel from the same crew of morons making the rounds on the news. I give these people a lot of credit for standing up for what they believe in , for raising the intellectual dialogue. Even give them some credit for the economy starting to improve with the stock market etc as finally the media has something to talk about other than the Kardashians or Sarah Palin or Jersey shore
I'm all about the bikes and I'm more than happy to pedal, but I dont understand why they're asking for more money when they're not using what they already have occupywallst. org/ donate
Sweet! I suggest that you guys put up this cause on Kickstarter, and everyone who pledges $10 get the schematics so they can make their own bike generator at home!
why $8000? you can get old bikes to that donated, alternators and belts from junk yards. heck, you can just weld the rear sprocket to the alternator and use the chain. the inverters must be what the money is needed for. OWS has $480,000, ask them for the money.
Great work guys. So proud of you. I hope that OWS sweeps across the world and establishes a genuine alternative to the messed up unequal selfish societies we have become. The end of capitalism!!
AMAZING!!! OWS protesters are smarter than the government gives them credit for...... you go guys!! We are so proud of you, don't stop now, keep up the great work you are doing.
@mrstuperstefan People who sit on the sidelines booing those who put their lives on the line are the ones with as you say "no direction". It is people who criticize instead of pitch in to help change the world who are lacking in direction. If you need direction, click on my channel, find my web site ( trevoc.webs.com ) and take some time to research why these people are fighting for you and for me.
@Zidriz Oh yeah. Come to the San Diego Occupy. It's pure homeless there for the kitchen. It's idiocy. The only real danger is communists but I've got plenty of guns and bullets
@Trevoc2 The Protestors always were...it's the fools in positions of authority who can't seem to get thier heads out of thier bums and listen to logic and reason...
11 bikes for $8,000? why dont u guys go to the thrift stores there super cheap and are less than $8-$50 for kid sizes and adults!
UniqueLilBabi 1 week ago
for $8000 they could build more than 11 bikes, those old bikes are probably $50-100 each, the "generators" or electric scooter motors are about $30-50 new.
fairyheli2 1 month ago
tube.com/watch?v=1gKX9TWRyfs copy paste watch
aicram62 2 months ago
I could use the plans for this system. I live in a school bus in the woods (not kidding) and I would love a cheaper source of clean energy. Any thoughts? Love you guys.
GirlWomanDead 3 months ago
need funding? you could ask for a lon at a bank
Churchill1874 3 months ago
Listening to this story I remembered a great cartoon about the first solar powered rock concert. An array of solar cells, 3'X4", that was hooked up to the speakers and amplifiers and the singer turns around to the guy running the power a says "what do you mean IT IS ON".
cupera1 3 months ago
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Switched son's SSI from TrustCo to Credit Union today. Credit Union gave 60$ to his account opening new direct deposit! WooHoo! #OCCUPYBANKS #OWS #OCCUPYWALLSTREET #CANARYPARTY
aspieresearchmom 3 months ago
If you had actually been to one of the occupy sites you would see the people are honest, most have jobs in addition to the work they are doing at occupy. The thing that most struck me was just how intelligent, caring and democratic they are. They have so much integrity and honesty, so no worries about where the money goes, these are decent people. Just a suggestion, engage with them or just visit your local occupy site and see for yourself. Pleace and Love xx
LizzieBGood 3 months ago 3
@LizzieBGood What kind of job allows you to hang out during the workweek?
Philip88888888 3 months ago
"It's been done." - The ghost of Edward G. Robinson
t43700 3 months ago
The last thing this 'movement' needs is sustainability. The KIDS need to either go home or get jobs.
brfatal1 3 months ago
@brfatal1 what homes? what jobs?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
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Oh please. Spare me your poor pity party and extreme exaggeration. The folks in Chicago were nice enough to hand out McDonalds applications at the Occupy Chicago protest. I have 2 college degrees and worked at a mechanic shop while trying to find a more career worth job. There are lots of jobs out there.
brfatal1 3 months ago
@brfatal1 you have not read about unemployment and foreclosure rates apparently. Minimum wage McD's jobs, that's all you got to offer? Are they living wages, or qualify for Food STamps and Medicaid? Wallyworld recommends these to their low paid "associates". So taxpayers are supporting WORKING POOR now, because corporatist candidates will not pass laws for wealthy and corporate tax avoiders to pull their tax weight. Do you just not see?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
11 bikes $500, somebody's pocket $7500
brickwall911 3 months ago
That's the most stupid I have heard.. all the parts needed are basically something many people have laying around in their garage, something you can find at flee markets or the junk yard.
Why not just make up a list of the things you need for building those generator bikes and tweet it, post or do whatever and you will have those parts within hours..
People are more likely to donate an old electric motor than money. You need parts not money.
SquirrelFromGradLife 3 months ago
No you do not need funding to do this, you're protesting that ... you need parts, labor and ingenuity.
sketch2k 3 months ago
Green renewable energy? No fossil fuel?? No harmful effects to the environment??? COMMUNIST son of a bitches! These people must be stopped at all costs!
Noris7059 3 months ago 10
@Noris7059 This is worse for the environment than gas.
Philip88888888 3 months ago
YES!
Marathonmarch 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck Meanwhile we can wait to see what they will do with the donations.
Kratax 3 months ago
mettete tutti i disoccupati a pedalare e abbiamo cosi tanta corrente da far sminuire il sole
orbisonte 3 months ago
I wonder if they realize that the human body is only 12-20% efficient at generating power. At best, a cyclist is only 30% efficient, which isnt much better than a standard gas engine, and the typical max output for an average person is 60 watts (11 bikes x 60 = 660 watts). This will actually generate more CO2 per kWh than a biodiesel engine would. Why not just go solar? Cheaper and more power. Duh...
mysock351W 3 months ago
@mysock351W cuz the generators they are using arent ALL biodiesel engines smart ass, most are gasoline.
dougsk8rwiggy 3 months ago
@dougsk8rwiggy For EIGHT THOUSAND FUCKING DOLLARS, you could replace them with biodiesel ones. Or, just one or two central units and have plenty to spare. Eight grand for a 600 watts of power is just plain stupid. Thats like $14/watt of power + man hours to keep it running. It doesnt make any economic sense, but then again, with these people, sense need not apply.
mysock351W 3 months ago
@dougsk8rwiggy Or, is it just some grad student thats cobbling some crap together, and theyre pocketing the rest. Ill let you decide. Either way, its a shit deal.
mysock351W 3 months ago
That is fantastic! I wonder if he could publish a set of step by step directions on how to do this?
joshdesanti 3 months ago
hmmmmmmmm you need funds ahhhhhh? how about ask those rich wall street guys ! lol
starkidd103 3 months ago
is corporate sponsorship okay?
Mostdef 3 months ago
More idiots. You bunch of hippocrates... Iphones..blackberries,laptops. You complain about corporate greed and your feeding right into it. What a joke "occupy" is ! Look at all the crime,rapes,drug use is within your protests.
Share the wealth!...get off your ass and do something or is this just another excuse not to work and live off others?
slrvette 3 months ago
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You should charge the people using the electricity to charge their gadgets.
Use the profit to buy more bikes and to pay the people pedaling the bikes.
You know...like the electric corporations.
GasFromDogButt 3 months ago
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GasFromDogButt 3 months ago
This is awesome.
realoverfake 3 months ago
The occupiers were complaining the other day that the homeless are free loading off the food they cook for the movement. They apparently dont like their hard work being used to benefit those not associated with their cause. Self Awareness?
Seaworldexists 3 months ago 2
Occupy a JOB you bums!
Halftrac 3 months ago
@Halftrac You're an idiot.
hi262779 3 months ago
@hi262779 And you are an ASSCLOWN.
Halftrac 3 months ago
@Halftrac Just reinforcing my point there...
hi262779 3 months ago
I'm no economist however it seems to me that things should be fairly priced so that people shouldn't need loans to be able to afford them, weather it a car, house or collage education. If it were up to me i would do away with the credit system, It's a system that perpetuates greed corruption and Discrimination.
StalwartFixer 3 months ago
@StalwartFixer obviously your not an economist..dumbass. Why don't others just work hard and just hand you over there money for nothing?
You know, "share the wealth"... you deserve it right?
slrvette 3 months ago
@slrvette I have to pay taxes as well, so you could say that I hand my money over to people for nothing. And i still think the credit system should be discontinued.
StalwartFixer 3 months ago
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@StalwartFixer obviously your not an economist..dumbass. Why don't others just work hard and just hand you over there money for nothing?
You know, "share the wealth"... you deserve it right?
slrvette 3 months ago
fuck you!!!!!
mrfatback904 3 months ago
THINK. Why is buying inefficient inverters made in China from Walmart probably a bad idea?
nikflorida 3 months ago
Okay, all you haters... you think that $725 apiece is too much money for the bikes. You think these people should buy inverters made in China from Walmart. THINK. That's the whole reason we're IN this mess. If there's a better, more practical way to do this, why not OFFER IDEAS instead of just whining? That's why the US is in decline and Asian countries are the rising stars of the world.
nikflorida 3 months ago
@nikflorida Can't you buy a perfectly good bike for like $20 at Goodwill?
SacredTutu 3 months ago
This is awesome :)
drtha101 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck
they DISTRIBUTE THE FOOD FOR FREE! The DISTRIBUTORS at OWS still need to BUY the FOOD you idiot!
SirAroace 3 months ago
Fuck you, ya lil' OWS weasels. What you need is your asses shot.
bigdicksplace 3 months ago 2
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DUE IN PART TO ECONOMIES OF SCALE THEORY, CAPITALISM WILL ALWAYS LEAD TO THE CONCENTRATION OF WEALTH. THIS WOULD OCCUR EVEN IF YOU ENTIRELY REMOVED EVERY SINGLE CORPORATION AS WELL AS THE UNITED STATES FEDERAL RESERVE
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Someideasandstuff 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck it is most likely going to food.
SirAroace 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck the food is not free, there is no way they could feed 500+ people of food donations alone.
SirAroace 3 months ago
These things are too left-wing for me, but I bet that there is a line of people begging to ride the bike, just like a job. Herman Cain would probably tell the ones who can't ride the bike to blame themselves
SacredTutu 3 months ago
So after all this, does anyone else think it's hilarious that the ones with the easy life are saying hippies are too lazy to ride bikes?
SacredTutu 3 months ago
why dont you use some of your $500,000 that you already got.
upsetgamer 3 months ago
Hippies are so worthless.
bassmasterkoxx 3 months ago
The problem with these eco friendly bikes is that they're powered by people eating foods produced in uneco-friendly manners, LOL.
MatteNoob 3 months ago
The U.S. regime says that generators and gas cans are fire hazards? Then why don't they remove all the cars on the streets? They are moving fire hazards. The regime is just trying to make it more difficult for the protestors.
thelancemanion 3 months ago
Energy bikes are not sustainable, they only work for specific cases for a specific amount of time. They work well in this case when you have a lot of people willing to operate them but, human power is not sustainable. One barrel of oil has more energy in it then 11 of these bikes running nonstop for months. Think about the additional food requirements for these people and how that will hurt the environment. Gas might be more environmental than energy bikes. Also a barrel of oil is 100$.
Philip88888888 3 months ago
the first woman was pedaling backwards, stealing energy from the battery, must have been a 1%er!
senabrew 3 months ago
Jesus, your all cheap. Just go back to sleep, and let other's fight your battles.
disdain691 3 months ago
And just get small wind turbine and solar. If you got money.
gmonk003 3 months ago
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I have often thought that bikes could make elec for events where the audience directly participates in the show. My rig would tie a rack of several bikes together, belts on the back rims, instead of tires, would drive a common shaft- flywheel at one end, power takeoff ant the other. People could use the gearing to maximize their effort.
gaffrigged22 3 months ago
I ave often thought that bikes could make elec for events where the audience directly participates in the show. My rig would tie a rack of several bikes together, belts on the back rims, instead of tires, would drive a common shaft- flywheel at one end, power takeoff ant the other. People could use the gearing to maximize their effort.
gaffrigged22 3 months ago
I don't know if these people know, but every time you exhale, you emit carbon dioxide! STUPID PEOPLE
tk4227 3 months ago
@tk4227 I'll give you a gold star and an A for effort for that remark.
cadreTotalitarianism 3 months ago
there is another way to power the park.......
think perpetual motion
now milk that idea
durkaackbar 3 months ago
No shit. That's fucking awesome. Suck on -that-, NYPD and FDNY! You can take their generators and shit all you want - a human-powered dynamo ain't a "public safety hazard".
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kopellhinex 3 months ago
Actually, thinking about the power generating capacity a small generator would have powered by a bike and the storage capacity of a ~500 dollar battery, I'm wondering how much experimentation they have into finding the optimal combination.
kiaas 3 months ago
The video was really well made.
Excellent work.
atthetopofmyvoice 3 months ago
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So let me get this straight...they need 11 bikes but already have 1. It is going to cost over $8000 for 10 bikes, that is $800 per bike. Have these tree hugging idiots never heard of Target, Walmart, Sears, etc? I got a killer aluminum full suspension mountain bike for $120, with disc brakes and everything. I'm pretty sure a stationary bike is far less.
No wonder they all want socialism. None of them can do math.
v12tommy 3 months ago
@v12tommy Just so you know, battery backups, using AC mains to charge, can cost over a thousand dollars for real high end ones, that'd probably be expected to service similar loads to what they might be wanting to do here, so depending on what sort of battery setup they're actually using, adding the cost of a bike, generator, and other assorted bits and pieces, 800 dollars doesn't sound unreasonable at all.
kiaas 3 months ago
@kiaas Yes it does. I guess hippies have no idea about electricity, but hopefully they get shocked in the process. All you would need is deep cycle car batteries, and an inverter. Inverters are cheap, and used car batteries would work for what you are doing with them. You could build the whole thing, bike included, for under $100. Just further proof hippies have no concept of reality. Those idiots should just go home and get a job already. What a bunch of losers.
v12tommy 3 months ago
@v12tommy Can you provide some sources on your figure? the lowest I'm getting is 300-450 dollars, most centered on the dynamo, when sorting through, and it isn't all well suited to the job, such as the battery might be lower-than-optimal-capacity, and not sure about the efficiency of my selected inverter, SO if you can point out cheaper, new, sources, I'd love to see it and so would they. Also note that the battery they showed appears to have lots more features than the parts I looked at.
kiaas 3 months ago
@kiaas I don't have a clue what a dynamo is or why you need one. As far as less than optimal batteries, it doesn't really matter. Just hook multiple batteries together. Inverters are like $20 or less at Walmart, and you can find all sorts of core batteries and alternators in car junkyards that would work perfectly fine.
The fact they want to run lights off of it is a complete joke. If anything, they will probably end up charging a couple phones before they run out of people exercising.
v12tommy 3 months ago
@v12tommy a dynamo is a generator that produces DC current. Alternators also require a fair bit of RPM to be really effective, so a dynamo optimized for bike-speeds makes more sense than grabbing an alternator that may or may not be in good shape from a junk yard. the efficiency of the inverter matters, too, because a 20-25 dollar one will probably waste a fair bit of energy and possibly not provide enough protections from uneven current for laptops and such.
kiaas 3 months ago
Also, after looking up a few details... they have every reason to go with very optimized stuff. A trained cyclist can sustain 400watts of output for about an hour, most people are going to do 50-100watts. That'll run some small, efficient lights and charge essential communications devices, but only with as little waste between conversions from one form of energy to another as possible. This makes sense is very special circumstances only, such as the one they're in now.
kiaas 3 months ago
@kiaas It doesn't really matter what they do, so they might as well save some money. That is my whole point. They want to run lights, a media center, charge everyone's phones, etc. and they can't do it. The idiots have no clue about electricity or math. I could see charging some cell phones, but with the energy they are demanding, they could have a whole row of bikes running 24/7 and it still wouldn't work.
v12tommy 3 months ago
i think you're the idiot here. no offense. @v12tommy
realoverfake 3 months ago
@v12tommy But it does work lol
HitMakerSolo 3 months ago
@v12tommy I think it's not them with the math problem. Go build a ENERGY BIKE for $120. Good luck! Let's see the math on that one.
jakezone 3 months ago
@jakezone I don't need to build an energy bike...I have a house...with electricity...powered by "evil" fossil fuels, and I love it. In fact, in a few minutes I am about to go do the opposite of an energy bike, I am going to run on my treadmill. Instead of me working out to make electricity, it uses electricity to help me work out.
And I don't have an issue with math. I quit my job as an engineer a few years ago to start my own business. Both of those require excellent math skills.
v12tommy 3 months ago
@v12tommy you blasted them for not buying a bike at the box stores. I explain that an energy bike can't be bought for $120 at Wal Mart and now you go off on whatever tangent this is...You said they were bad at math, now you are talking about your love for fossil fuels when I call you out on it. Like I said before, you can't call people bad at math when you can't even figure out the problem. Keep it classy.
jakezone 3 months ago
@jakezone I could build an energy bike for $120 easily. I just choose not to. It wouldn't be hard at all. You need a bike, a generator or alternator, a couple batteries, and an inverter. All those are either cheap new, or can be found used. Plus all those whiny hippies are asking for $8000 in donations, why not just use the $500,000+ they already collected? Those morons are a complete joke, and I look forward to news articles every morning just to watch their little experiment fail.
v12tommy 3 months ago
@v12tommy suuuure you could. Suuure. OWS might fail, it might succeed. If you don't want to give money, don't give money. It's just sad you're so insecure that you have to mock people who are trying to fight for something. They've actually built a bike. They're taking action. And the only one whining here has been you. I won't respond to you again. Bitter people like you aren't worth the time. Just wanted to point out that saying they should buy a bike at the store was a little stupid.
jakezone 3 months ago
Why not use some of the half-million dollars that Occupy Wall St has received in donations? Sounds like another "save this puppy from abuse" or "feed a hungry African" organization.
100XyeBBPoT 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck no doubt, that's exactly what i thought
yossarian1633 3 months ago
I kinda wish I lived anywhere near Wall Street so I could be part of the main protests.
wkunzelman1 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck Get your committee to call my committe - we'll do lunch.
Bushcamper4Sale 3 months ago
@Bushcamper4Sale And have both of your commitees get in contact with my Protest manager via internet relay chat so we could post on some bbs. kktnxbai
webmastertool 3 months ago
very good....lets get those suppressed Tesla Generator patents out into the open....free energy for every houshold, cars included.
rodroll33 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck voting for consensus is corrupt? Apparently half million is saved and not being spent indiscriminately, wise strategy during the winter
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck and let's not overlook the obvious fact that this young man is asking for donations for
Time's Up! New York City's Direct Action Environmental group, not OWS
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@bobbystarbuck they prolly have to have consensus and to vote at General Assembly before they can get greenlight to do that
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@dustylense You're an asshole, but I admit, the comment about the dreadlocks made me do a spit take
@wvglocker It's 11 generators to power a few lights and some computer equipment. It's not like they're heating water to give every protester a hot shower.
monkeyfoetus 3 months ago
They're going to take away those bikes under the guise of "No permits" or something. Especially if they're powering anything to create warmth when the cold really arrives.
migraine516 3 months ago
11 bikes to power their whole protest?
ROFL! Either their numbers have been massively over-reported, Zuccotti Park just happens to be in the center of a dark matter vortex that overrides the normal laws of conservation of energy, or they are scamming feel good donations from morons.
wvglocker 3 months ago
@wvglocker clever front for a scam, camping outdoors for over a month weathering all conditions and risking jail, police brutality
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
Maybe you can cut those greasy dreadlocks and use them as fuel and make dread-down blankets?
dustylense 3 months ago
Or, how about this? Figure a way to collect the toxic fumes from your underarms and breath to create a new bio-hazzard fuel. Seem pretty abundant.
dustylense 3 months ago
Or, why now use solar panels? Wait, it's overcast there and you won't be able to store energy. OK, a small wind farm. SHit! Not windy today. Fuck, I spent all this money on expensive solar panels and the sun has not been out for 5 days day through. Wait, we can charge up 25 lead batteries if we use our beards and rub them together and create static. It's gonna get so cold that you will be burning your weed to stay warm.
dustylense 3 months ago
$8000? For a craigslist used stationary, some wires, and a powerstore that you can buy at Costco? Oh wait, Costco is a corp. Can go there. Man, socialism is expensive! This is to power items with 6 volts! LOL. Why not build a wheel that 4 or 5 or you can run in and just dangle some granola in front of for incentive. If you ding dongs have your way, every home will need one of these so we can charge our flashlights.
dustylense 3 months ago
Where's Gilligan and the coconut batteries?
dustylense 3 months ago
@dustylense kinda silly for keystone cops to be invading Gilligan's Island, isn't it?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
Last I heard, OWS had something like a half-million dollars in donations sitting in a bank. Surely they could spare some of that cash.
LambdaKore 3 months ago
Ok Mr Lance Armstrong, time to show up and make good use of that training!
Axbent 3 months ago
How is this considered self sustainable, when they need outside finds to prop it up? That isn't self sustainability, it is living on someone elses dime.
Anyone find it funny that people have "stereotyped" this group as hippies living off handouts from society, and here this hippy is asking for a handout?
You want money for your bikes? get out there and work for it, just like anyone who could donate would have to do.
RJCleveland 3 months ago
Love it! Shared it @ occupy-wallstreet(.)com/permaculture/ Thank you for what you are doing!
TheDowen80 3 months ago
they do not need donations OWS has 500,000 dollars in the bank
BuddyIStalking 3 months ago
@BuddyIStalking he is asking for funding for this special pedal energy project, the donations in the bank are probably already designated for basic needs, wintering fund, etc by the General Assembly
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@Yankhadenough trust me that money is not yet designated, something shady is goin on
BuddyIStalking 3 months ago
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Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@BuddyIStalking read the video description, he is with Times Up! Org., he obviously does not have access to OWS money
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
I'm sure bikes are a great idea, but, what about solar panels and mini-wind mills? Are they still too expensive to be useful, even for $8,000 worth?
julianchosun 3 months ago
Do youhave this on kickstarter???
alixixi 3 months ago
@alixixi hat tip! w w w. kickstarter. com/
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
Oil and gas may not be directly subsidized, but many US govt dollars are spent protecting oil reserves, pipelines, and companies
KapnosCopious 3 months ago
is it a case like liberalspeak.. like black is white and war is peace? Because oil and gas are heavily taxed in this country, not subsidized. You obviously dont know what you are talking about. Green energy is heavily subsidized and granted preferential tariffs in India and China.
hinduzionkafir 3 months ago
@hinduzionkafir "As Oil Industry Fights a Tax, It Reaps Subsidies" w w w. nytimes. com/2010/07/04/business/04bptax. html
Also the obvious Oil and Coal lobbying and campaign donating that keeps Big Oil and Big Coal in preferential treatment in America, in spite of oil spills & air pollution, while other nations zoom ahead in clean energy
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
no.. not unless it is successful without subsidies.. else its just a waste of money.. that you people DONT make.
hinduzionkafir 3 months ago
@hinduzionkafir subsidies? so you are against subsidies to Big Oil & Big Coal? GOOD, Clean Energy will thrive without those dirty subsidized fossil fuel monopolies!
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
So amazing... you guys are truly changing the world :)
kylecb 3 months ago
why dont u useless piles of filth go to north korea? capitalism hasnt taken off there at all.
hinduzionkafir 3 months ago
@hinduzionkafir actually China is first in clean energy investment, don't you want America to be Number One? w w w. 2point6billion. com/news/2011/03/30/china-1st-india-10th-in-clean-energy-investment-attraction-8961. html
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@Yankhadenough ("don't you want America to be Number One?"):
Why would you? Can't everyone be #1 for everyone?
jojonnyjones 3 months ago
@jojonnyjones (Why would you? Can't everyone be #1 for everyone?)
out of context, of course but don't want America last at clean energy either, please see original comment I responded to
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
ZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzz... i'll worry about your electrical wants when the movement as a whole stops littering, and urinating/defecating in the streets.
dan991199 3 months ago
@dan991199 lolZ, why worry about anything while watching Fox & DWTS ?
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
@dan991199 on second thought maybe you can come up with a brilliant idea of converting litter and human waste into electricial energy!
Yankhadenough 3 months ago
This is a FABULOUS IDEA! This is what I have been saying all along, we need a CLEAN DEAL for CLEAN JOBS PROGRAMS & CLEAN EDUCATIONAL TRAINING PROGRAMS to build CLEAN INFRASTRUCTURES and CLEAN RENEWABLE SUSTAINABLE ENERGY to get this country MOVING IN A CLEAN ECONOMY!!! I was pregnant downwind of a coal-fired paper mill, my son was born with Asperger's Syndrome. A CLEAN AMERICAN ENVIRONMENT is necessary for healthy Americans to WORK for Life, Liberty & Pursuit of Happiness
aspieresearchmom 3 months ago 2
i barely have any money after paying bills/food, but i want to help pedal, this is a cool idea! i was not aware this occupation was so extreme. like a community inside the city. i just hope crime doesnt become a problem within.
RiddimPirate 3 months ago
@RiddimPirate Watch the livestreams....even if a "demonstrator" is about to loose his temper, there are at once up to 10 persons to calm him.....Stay peaceful is the most spoken word amongst them.... I know many of the Occupy Movement all over the world, and I know none being violent... <3<3<3
cerridwen1965 3 months ago
The hippies need to leave #OWS, or at least cut their hair when the media is paying attention, instant alienation for everybody whos not shaggy yet harbor sympathies. Still love you guys!
TheAwakenedHeretic 3 months ago
This will be more important than ever now that the NYPD took away their generators.
YNot1989 3 months ago 2
Make electricity without burning gas or kerosene, get exercise and keep warm in the cold weather.Awesome on so many levels! People will be standing on line to have a turn.
OhhWhateverMan 3 months ago 24
Hint: your food is transported with fossil fuels. Pedaling is less economically efficient that gasoline. Hope this helps.
strathmeyer 3 months ago
@strathmeyer modern anti-economics is irrelivent, the physical resources are what matters.
TorMatthews 3 months ago
People are tired of hearing punditson the right and on the left. The same drivel from the same crew of morons making the rounds on the news. I give these people a lot of credit for standing up for what they believe in , for raising the intellectual dialogue. Even give them some credit for the economy starting to improve with the stock market etc as finally the media has something to talk about other than the Kardashians or Sarah Palin or Jersey shore
MusicLoverCT 3 months ago
1 bike per OWS protester + 1 pier leading to a deep body of water = end of OWS power shortage
utreasonousbastards 3 months ago
@utreasonousbastards
what a pathetic comment from a sad, miserable person
robbykills 3 months ago
hahahah
I guess Bloomy 'misunderestimated' the will of the ppl..
Love it..
flyyspit 3 months ago
there have been donations coming in that equal half a million.
At first people hadn't even a clue to do wit that amount.
Supplying the camp with energy seems to be a high priority, this project can't be financed with a tiny slice from those donations?
amstelredamme 3 months ago
why dont they apply their ingenuity to getting jobs?
timfosho 3 months ago
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JoelSMBitar 3 months ago
Because there aren't any jobs. That's one of the major reasons the protest is happening.
JoelSMBitar 3 months ago
@timfosho A bunch of people have degrees and can't get jobs. Why don't you get educated?
apatel87 3 months ago
Great idea. Donation submitted. Thanks! For those asking, donation button can be found on left side of times-up site
guojenman 3 months ago
were is the link to send money?
GhstsnGuitars 3 months ago
The NYCGA has $300k. Why arent they allocating $8k of that money to provide generators?
bori214 3 months ago
I'm all about the bikes and I'm more than happy to pedal, but I dont understand why they're asking for more money when they're not using what they already have occupywallst. org/ donate
bori214 3 months ago
Don't you have nearly a million dollars donated already? Why are you asking for more money?
ReeleAnonTrooth 3 months ago
A giant human powered wheel 3 or 4 people at a time running.
AnfoMerc 3 months ago
you guys need tesla geeks!!! $8K is unnecessary. old DC motors, clever resonant capacitance tanks to charge batteries more efficiently.
PLEASE .... TESLA GEEKS !!!!!
badw0lfvirus 3 months ago
Sweet! I suggest that you guys put up this cause on Kickstarter, and everyone who pledges $10 get the schematics so they can make their own bike generator at home!
jpicco 3 months ago
why dont you guys use the funding from OWS?
Antranik01 3 months ago
I was suggesting this in the chat on the livestream over a month ago.
nullsmack 3 months ago
why $8000? you can get old bikes to that donated, alternators and belts from junk yards. heck, you can just weld the rear sprocket to the alternator and use the chain. the inverters must be what the money is needed for. OWS has $480,000, ask them for the money.
kingdvd74 3 months ago
Great work guys. So proud of you. I hope that OWS sweeps across the world and establishes a genuine alternative to the messed up unequal selfish societies we have become. The end of capitalism!!
bigfish2608 3 months ago
AMAZING!!! OWS protesters are smarter than the government gives them credit for...... you go guys!! We are so proud of you, don't stop now, keep up the great work you are doing.
Trevoc2 3 months ago 70
@Trevoc2 Yeah? Think so?? Think again. These are people with no direction. None. Lost
mrstuperstefan 3 months ago
@mrstuperstefan People who sit on the sidelines booing those who put their lives on the line are the ones with as you say "no direction". It is people who criticize instead of pitch in to help change the world who are lacking in direction. If you need direction, click on my channel, find my web site ( trevoc.webs.com ) and take some time to research why these people are fighting for you and for me.
Trevoc2 3 months ago
@mrstuperstefan Just wait and see mate. This is revolution in the making.
Zidriz 3 months ago
@Zidriz Oh yeah. Come to the San Diego Occupy. It's pure homeless there for the kitchen. It's idiocy. The only real danger is communists but I've got plenty of guns and bullets
mrstuperstefan 3 months ago
@Trevoc2 if they were smart they'd wear helmets when they go to fight the police.
Cokecanninja 3 months ago
@Cokecanninja you may not have heard of this yet, but this Occupy Wall Street is a PEACEFUL demonstration, not a war with the police.
Trevoc2 3 months ago
@Trevoc2 I know it's peaceful, but try telling that to the police.
Cokecanninja 3 months ago 4
@Trevoc2 The Protestors always were...it's the fools in positions of authority who can't seem to get thier heads out of thier bums and listen to logic and reason...
mdlittle5466 3 months ago
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just a bunch of bums
f1ak011 3 months ago