Abortion and Common Sense

[ChooseLifeIreland]

Rape is a terrible crime against women. Victims need our support and sympathy. We should be doing a great deal more to protect and help them. But abortion, like rape, is by its nature a destructive act. To abort an unborn child conceived by rape is to respond to violence against one innocent victim (the woman) with violence against another innocent victim (the unborn child).

[sakelicious]

Condoms fail, birth control fails, EC can fail... Then what? Restraint from sex is your only answer, whether avoiding pregnancy or STD/STIs.

[Headhunter004]

If condoms, birth control and EC fail... then what? Have an abortion, that's what.

Sex is NOT just for procreation, it's for us to enjoy, and in a nation that promotes free will and individual liberty, who are you to decide what women can or can't do? So get over it, sit down, shut up.

[sakelicious]

Of course sex is for us to enjoy. Wasn't deciding for anybody, nor is it my place. Just stating FACT that abstinence is your only answer in avoidance of aforementioned issues which the "vlogger" neglected to mention is all. Don't put words in MY mouth. Get over yourself.

[amberhead]

i didn't ignore, I just don't see it as a valid choice, it more of a fall back. "We don't want to teach to be safe so we will just tell you not to do it" You have to teach poeple to be safe whether they are married or not. Stds and pregnancy doesn't hide under the rug because you are married. It still happens even when you aren't prepared. So I don't see it as an option I see it as a scapegoat. But thats just my opinion.

Also, it does have a failure rate, because its not realistic.

[sweetstinglover]

@Headhunter004

wtf?? its to enjoy, but to enjoy it? use protection, if worried use the condom and after morn pill. grow up and us your brain.

[EvilCrashCadet]

I just want to know what your definition of cruel is? I understand where the pro-choicers are coming from...that doesn't make them right though. I stand firm in saying that ANY reason you can give me to argue why a woman should or would have an abortion is solely and purely selfish reasoning. If YOU are not willing to sacrifice your OWN life for your child,you know nothing of the purpose of life to begin with.Ask YOUR parents what they had to sacrifice for you to have your opinion anyway.

[leiapeison]

cruel is treating people as less than human which is what forcing rape victims to bear children is doing. sacrifice only works on a voluntary basis. just because someone should sacrifice their life for another doesnt mean they should be forced to. there is nothing selfish about not wanting to be pregnant. many women abort because they realize bringing a child into deplorable circumstances would be unconscionable and a greater crime than ending it at the beginning.

[thedexterbros]

NO! rape is cruel, abortion is unfortunate and no woman is forced to have a child if she was raped, but are you saying that if someone who was raped keeps the child that the child and the mother can't have a loving relationship? if that's the case I disagree

[leiapeison]

i didnt say it was impossible. and yes some women ARE forced to continue a pregnancy from rape and that is inexcusable.

[campbellsc2008]

Did I say that it was right? Don't put words in my mouth. I said:No it is not right that women are raped...however it is not right to execute the baby because of the father's lack of better judgement. The raped woman is not the only victim in the situation. The only answer to an unwanted child is adoption. Look into this film..."The Silent Scream" parts 1-4. To say the least it's an eye-opener.Yes saying "father's lack of better judgment" is a sugar-coated way of saying what he did was horrible.

[leiapeison]

it is cruel to enslave a womans body to a fetus for 9 months against her will. a fly's brain has more cells than an embryo does. how is that even comparable to a functioning rational adult who has just been gruesomly violated? forced pregnancy is a sexual violation more heinous than rape itself. women have a right to defend their bodies against degradation of any sort especially one of the magnitude that forced pregnancy entials.

[amberhead]

So you think it is right to scarfice the mental and physical health of a women just to give a baby up for adoption when there are already an overload of kids in the system not being adopted? "Father's lack of better judgement" You mean a males hienious crime against a women. Which is sick and wrong, he is by no means the father in my eyes. Abortion is not executing a baby, it's taking out a leech, because until it can function on it's own its a leech on that women, and it's her right to choose.

[thedexterbros]

Well um, look I'm not saying that abortion is right or wrong because I honestly don't know exactly how I stand, ive never been there personally... but a baby can't function on it's own even after it is born,so is it the mother's right to just let her infant fall into a pool and not save it?i dont think so, I also definitely don't think a baby should be aborted when its close to birthing time because that IS cruel to the baby who now has a brain and is about to be killed cause mom waited too long

[campbellsc2008]

No it is not right that women are raped...however it is not right to execute the baby because of the father's lack of better judgement. The raped woman is not the only victim in the situation. The only answer to an unwanted child is adoption. Look into this film..."The Silent Scream" parts 1-4. To say the least it's an eye-opener.

[amberhead]

Episode 5 Season 2 of the CBS show Criminal minds demonstrates how some women would rather take thier own life then have a child of thier rapist. There is such thing as mental health and I believe that health is more important then brining another unwanted life into this world. Why scarfice an established life for a new one that may not even survive?

[leiapeison]

abortion isnt about executing an innocent child. it is about taking control back of ones body. adoption is not a cure all. it does not solve the problem of being pregnant. it would be cruel to the child as well to bring it into the world against the will of its mother. do you think these women will take care of themselves while pregnant? do you realize infanticide is common in countries where abortion is restricted? it isnt that black and white.

[heather4thecross]

Ok maybe I can see ur point, but the fact is only 1% of abortions are are because of rape or incest. What about the other 99%? The problem in our world is that people are having careless sex and thats NOT what sex was meant for!!!

[joshuademoraes]

If a man rapes a girl and she makes abortion, kill the man.Eye in eye.

[altermab]

Don't worry, I haven't missed your point. I totally get it and I agree with it. / Simply, think my message through: How on earth are you going to decide whether a woman has been (ab)using abortion as a form of birth-control, whether she was forced to have intercourse, whether she had just bad luck with her regular birth control, or whether she's just making up a story?! You can't! There is only one solution: Free choice for the woman in question up to a certain month during her pregnancy.

[altermab]

What do you mean "I am not pro-choice"? Obviously you're pro-choice (e.g. when a woman got unknowingly pregnant) - and that's a good thing! Why would you say you're not pro-choice?

[amberhead]

Because I'm only pro-choice to a point, and that point is where the women didn't choose to be pregnant or rather didn't take the precautions to prevent it. which is technically pro-choice but it's more than just that.

[altermab]

Well "technically" it's pro-choice. You're right. But this makes it IN FACT pro-choice. You can't draw another line here (if you admit logic), and there's no need to either (if you think politics).

Your position is exactly what pro-choice is about: That a woman chooses freely to have an abortion when she can't (or isn't willing) to follow through with an unwanted pregnancy. In your case, the reasons for such a decision include rape, failed contraception (accidental or inflicted "on purpose").

[altermab]

I mean, what would you do with a woman who comes to a clinic telling the staff that she accidentally forgot her regular pill or the pill-after, or that the pill didn't work, that the condom must have ripped, etc. How are you going to control, if this is really the case or if she's just making up the story because she simply doesn't want the child? The truth is: you can't.

[altermab]

There is only one solution if you want to admit such reasons for an abortion: the free choice of a woman to decide within a certain deadline after conception (regardless of her reasons).

The only other possibilty is to ban abortion altogether (which is also a legitimate and possible measure - although not the one I defend). This way however, rape or "accidents" won't give a woman the right to have an abortion...

[altermab]

You see, sometimes there is a clear line in life. The real question with regard to abortion is a "yes or no?" question. If you're stance is "yes" or "rather yes", the subsequent questions become "until which week/month?" or "with what procedure?" or "who, where, when?" etc.

Everything else would be like saying: I am going to vote for Romney for president, but only as long as he hasn't to decide on the war in Iraq or social security issues. In these cases I am going to vote for Obama and Edwards.

[amberhead]

You completly missed my point I think. My point was that if a person is responsible in trying to not get pregnant or is forced against her will than an abortion is fine. It's when the women uses abortion as another form of birth control that it's not okay, it's a matter of responsibility in my opinion and not as clear cut as all or nothing in my mind.

[ashmarie88]

Why is it not "ok"? Obviously if abortion is okay in some circumstances (according to you and others), why isn't it ok in all others? Contradictory much?

[DuttyGyal718]

you are right.

[DuttyGyal718]

But "politically correct" pro-lifers would disagree with you becuase you allow the exception for choice on rape etc. I have spoken to pro-lifers with these views. They would argue that it's still a life and not the child's fault etc. So what's you take/opinion

O.o

[amberhead]

It may not be the fetus' fault, but why should the women suffer the emotional and physical pain to have it? That isn't quite right. It's like sure it may be a "life" but why ruin an established life for an unestablished life? Not that babies aren't great, I love babies....but I would never suggest a girl risk her life and well-being for a baby. Does that make sense?

[DuttyGyal718]

I do too, and I am pro choice & have never had an abortion. I always tell pro-lifers that they should try to encompass QUALITY of LIFE into their arguments. I mean how many of them actually give a damn about a mother and her child when the day is done. Adoption dont work neither. I agreee. I found this pro-choicer saying

Pro-lifers are pro-choicers that made a choice and decided to force that choice unto us

[amberhead]

lol

yeah but over all it just depends on what the women is most comfortable with.

[DuttyGyal718]

Pretty much. :-D