I realize this might sound unusual but what I trying to say is that without the People watching our Federal Gov. actions and staying on top of their every move they will become our masters. We the People need to become experts on our Constitution so that we can save it and our rights. I'm not into being a subject of any gov. So let me finish with my favorite mentors words; "Government like a fire can be a faithful servant, but if uncontrolled is can be a fearful master" Gen. George Washington.
Notwithstanding all that, turns out I the owner find out I'm really not the owner of my house but I'm now a tenant. And now the dog is running wild and no longer recognizes me as its owner who raised it up. And so I the ownerCitizen must do something for I cannot have this dog bite the hand that feeds it. Feeling less safe around the dog and determined to do something (Fight City Hall). So, I get my papers (Bill of Rights) and explain to the dog, your mine servant and that you will now obey me
Furthermore the dog been letting thieves and cutthroats steal from my life savings from the safe when she should have been guarding it. Why has best friend let me down when she should have been doing what it was told. Apparently my dog has been tampered with by some Aliens. My dog is listening to other dog whistles and no longer heeds my command. How has this happened? Because I the dog owner have been to busy working to feed this Dog (taxes) and haven't been home enough to correct it
My U.S. Government, and I say my as if it was my dog. First my Dog is down alley in someone else's yard. I whistle for my dog to come home she ignores me. I got strangers jumping my fence and squatting in my yard. I feed my dog and cat but they growl because its not enough. I say bad dog and raise my voice and my rolled up newspaper (gun) cause she doesn't watch my fence, but pet the dog to let it know I still love it. But the dog doesn't like the rolled up newspaper and barks at me.
Just to avoid confusion, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state"....If you intepret Militia as a force of civilians, than this "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means having guns is necessary to civilians being able to form a militia to protect their rights.
If you intepret Militia as meaning any U.S. Govt controlled military than this "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Mean having guns necessary to civilian being able to protect themselves against said "militia" and YOUR right to form themis not there.
It gives us guns, keeps govt in check, we agree on this, my point is the founding fathers had avery specific definition of Militia, when u use that definition to interpret the 2nd, it unmistakeably, in black and white gives us the right to form a militia, when confuse the word militia as meaning anything else but a force of civilians, the right to form a militia is not clear, as it should be.
Fuckin gun grabbers! AHHHH! I hate them all, do you know how many times a day I hear "why do you need a gun like that?" (refering to my AK-47) oh yeah why do they need a car capable of exeeding the speed limit 4 times over??
Which only goes to show just how stupid the anti-gunners are, if they only understood what I have in my gun safe could blow the left nut off a gnat at 1000 yards!
The muzzle velocity and trajectory of the 7.62X39 is comparable to a 30-30!
They're so fucking stupid if you sat a AK-47 and a Remington 750 Woodsmaster chambered for 30-06 in front of them they would point at the AK and say "that's a dangerous weapon and nobody should be allowed to own one" THEY'RE FUCKING MORONS!
Yeah, no kiddin, thers actually a vid on here that show the power of an AK vs. some of the more popular hunting rifles, ill try to find it and send it to you.
A well equipt & disciplined militia, composed of the people, rather than the professional soldier, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the [people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. THATS HOW I SEE IT, how would you write it?
Absolutley, my gripe is people like penn that think it says "We need a standing army for our security, but to keep them in check, the people need to be armed"
What it really says is "A well armed and equipt militia of the people is needed for our security therefore the right of said people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" The 2nd amendment does as you said give us the right to keep and bare arms is an individual right that can't be taken away by the government...........
but it's more than that, it's a right to form militias, before Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution was written the federal government had no control over state militias. Until the Militia Act of 1792
The militia remained the source of troops for Congress after the Peace of Paris (1783). The ratification of the U.S. Constitution in 1788 gave the federal government the authority to raise an army, while the Second Amendment (1791) guaranteed the states the right to keep their militias. The Federalist administration of President George Washington established a regular army in the early 1790s, but failed to assert federal control over the militia.
He never said standing army, "he said organized military force" what's the difference between that and "A well armed and equipt militia of the people" other than he doesn't specify "the people"?
Who do you think has command of that "well armed and equipt militia of the people" standing army or no standing army?
I agree with "A well armed and equipt militia of the people" but it is also to keep our government in check, pay attention to this video.
"Had just fought a war against a tyrannical state militia" "a right the militia could never take away" They had just fought a war WITH a state militia, the militia was their to ENSURE their guns would NOT be taken away. "Sure you need and organized military force to defend ur country BUT the right of the people to keep....." it shouldn't say BUT it should say SO.
When you confuse the word militia the second amendment goes from a right to arm yourself and form a militia, to a right to arm yourself in defense against a militia.
"To these (federal troops attempting to impose tyranny) would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands." (Federalist Papers #46) - JAMES MADISON (Drafted Virginia Constitution, Member of Continental Congress, Virginia delegate to Constitutional Convention, named "Father of the Constitution", author of Federalist Papers, author of the Bill of Rights, Congressman from Virginia, Secretary of State, 4th President)
My point is that the word "militia" can be used to describe a citizen militia or a "well regulated" by the government militia as described in the constitution!
The federal government can use the militia for the following purposes as stated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
I understand that, but what I mean is that arcticle perverted our founding fathers original intent. "they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins" was a warning we didn't get, when the 2nd was written there was no government militias, the people regulated them themselves, provide their own weapons equiptment and personel, christ during the revolution they would walk into a bar and yell "militias being called up"
Your Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, did exactly what our forefathers wanted to prevent, it federalized our civilian run state militias, and called them the National Guard, now our modern civilian militias are looked at as nothing more than a "gun nut club" by the mainstream, but the worst part of it is
people like you have had their freedoms taken away and you don't even realize it, hell you take the word of penn&teller over the guy wrote the second amendment. It was just the first step in pasifying our citizens. "The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them" - Tench Coxe, An American Citizen IV, October 21, 1787
I think all these quotes prove the militias intent was to keep a check on the regular army, if they saw the word milita as a word that can describe any military body, than why is it in every quote theres always a distinction between a militia and a "standing army"? And militia is to military as cigarette is to cigar, just smaller and less smoke!
"[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29
- Alexander Hamilton THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CIVILIAN MILITIA TO ME!
See theres my point, it doesn't matter what YOU think the word "militia" means, what does matter is what the founding fathers meant by it. And since (at the time) there was the regular army of professional soldiers, and the militia of ordinary citizens fighting in street clothes, I think it's pretty obvious their meaning of militia is what today is offically known as "unorganized militia"
My point is, just because some asshole 100 yrs later decided to call the national guard an "organized militia" is irrelevant , it doesn't negate the fact that the founding fathers had their own definition of militia and it wasn't used to describe professional soldiers.
When you put on any military uniform for the U.S. govt you are a professional."What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789
pretty obvious the militas purpose was to keep a regular army in check, thats kinda hard if "militia" means professional soldier under the control of the U.S. govt. "they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins" THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!
"Congress shall have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions. The key words here is "Congress" & "power" "Militia" - military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. Congress has the authority to form up a citizen milita, whats ur point?
"That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
- George Mason
"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
"The powers of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sward are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible....
. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no right to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American.... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
Don't tell me I don't know what the 2nd amendment says, you apparently don't understand the people who wrote it.
"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms... The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle." -- RICHARD HENRY LEE (Signed Declaration of Independence,
Let us move on and stop guns being placed into the hands of the gunny happy wackos and allow only the Government Militia to determine who may use firearms, as is clearly declared in.. "The U.S. Second Amendment, of The Bill of Rights".
Apparently you think it's 2295, well, this ain't the starship enterprise and the bad guys 9mm doesn't have a stun setting. And you obviously have no fuckin clue as to what the 2nd Amendments says, heres a tip, THERS NO SUCH THING AS A GOVT. MILITIA, moron, militias by there very definition are formed by the citizens, and a militia would not be "well regulated" if the civilians didn't have guns, another tip: militias suppy there own weapons! DEE DUH DEE!!!
I realize this might sound unusual but what I trying to say is that without the People watching our Federal Gov. actions and staying on top of their every move they will become our masters. We the People need to become experts on our Constitution so that we can save it and our rights. I'm not into being a subject of any gov. So let me finish with my favorite mentors words; "Government like a fire can be a faithful servant, but if uncontrolled is can be a fearful master" Gen. George Washington.
Mayanbookkeeper 2 years ago
Notwithstanding all that, turns out I the owner find out I'm really not the owner of my house but I'm now a tenant. And now the dog is running wild and no longer recognizes me as its owner who raised it up. And so I the ownerCitizen must do something for I cannot have this dog bite the hand that feeds it. Feeling less safe around the dog and determined to do something (Fight City Hall). So, I get my papers (Bill of Rights) and explain to the dog, your mine servant and that you will now obey me
Mayanbookkeeper 2 years ago
Furthermore the dog been letting thieves and cutthroats steal from my life savings from the safe when she should have been guarding it. Why has best friend let me down when she should have been doing what it was told. Apparently my dog has been tampered with by some Aliens. My dog is listening to other dog whistles and no longer heeds my command. How has this happened? Because I the dog owner have been to busy working to feed this Dog (taxes) and haven't been home enough to correct it
Mayanbookkeeper 2 years ago
My U.S. Government, and I say my as if it was my dog. First my Dog is down alley in someone else's yard. I whistle for my dog to come home she ignores me. I got strangers jumping my fence and squatting in my yard. I feed my dog and cat but they growl because its not enough. I say bad dog and raise my voice and my rolled up newspaper (gun) cause she doesn't watch my fence, but pet the dog to let it know I still love it. But the dog doesn't like the rolled up newspaper and barks at me.
Mayanbookkeeper 2 years ago
Just to avoid confusion, "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free state"....If you intepret Militia as a force of civilians, than this "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" means having guns is necessary to civilians being able to form a militia to protect their rights.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
If you intepret Militia as meaning any U.S. Govt controlled military than this "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" Mean having guns necessary to civilian being able to protect themselves against said "militia" and YOUR right to form themis not there.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
It gives us guns, keeps govt in check, we agree on this, my point is the founding fathers had avery specific definition of Militia, when u use that definition to interpret the 2nd, it unmistakeably, in black and white gives us the right to form a militia, when confuse the word militia as meaning anything else but a force of civilians, the right to form a militia is not clear, as it should be.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Cool, then stick around and help me with the anti-gun assholes when they show up!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Fuckin gun grabbers! AHHHH! I hate them all, do you know how many times a day I hear "why do you need a gun like that?" (refering to my AK-47) oh yeah why do they need a car capable of exeeding the speed limit 4 times over??
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Which only goes to show just how stupid the anti-gunners are, if they only understood what I have in my gun safe could blow the left nut off a gnat at 1000 yards!
The muzzle velocity and trajectory of the 7.62X39 is comparable to a 30-30!
They're so fucking stupid if you sat a AK-47 and a Remington 750 Woodsmaster chambered for 30-06 in front of them they would point at the AK and say "that's a dangerous weapon and nobody should be allowed to own one" THEY'RE FUCKING MORONS!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Yeah, no kiddin, thers actually a vid on here that show the power of an AK vs. some of the more popular hunting rifles, ill try to find it and send it to you.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
A well equipt & disciplined militia, composed of the people, rather than the professional soldier, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the [people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. THATS HOW I SEE IT, how would you write it?
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Exactly as it really is written!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Well, theres something to be said for confusion I guess.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Yea, how do you live with it?
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Do you agree that the right to keep and bare arms is an individual right that can't be taken away by the government?
If so then we have nothing to disagree about!
If not then you're wasting your time!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Absolutley, my gripe is people like penn that think it says "We need a standing army for our security, but to keep them in check, the people need to be armed"
What it really says is "A well armed and equipt militia of the people is needed for our security therefore the right of said people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" The 2nd amendment does as you said give us the right to keep and bare arms is an individual right that can't be taken away by the government...........
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
but it's more than that, it's a right to form militias, before Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution was written the federal government had no control over state militias. Until the Militia Act of 1792
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
The militia remained the source of troops for Congress after the Peace of Paris (1783). The ratification of the U.S. Constitution in 1788 gave the federal government the authority to raise an army, while the Second Amendment (1791) guaranteed the states the right to keep their militias. The Federalist administration of President George Washington established a regular army in the early 1790s, but failed to assert federal control over the militia.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
He never said standing army, "he said organized military force" what's the difference between that and "A well armed and equipt militia of the people" other than he doesn't specify "the people"?
Who do you think has command of that "well armed and equipt militia of the people" standing army or no standing army?
I agree with "A well armed and equipt militia of the people" but it is also to keep our government in check, pay attention to this video.
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
"Had just fought a war against a tyrannical state militia" "a right the militia could never take away" They had just fought a war WITH a state militia, the militia was their to ENSURE their guns would NOT be taken away. "Sure you need and organized military force to defend ur country BUT the right of the people to keep....." it shouldn't say BUT it should say SO.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
When you confuse the word militia the second amendment goes from a right to arm yourself and form a militia, to a right to arm yourself in defense against a militia.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
"To these (federal troops attempting to impose tyranny) would be opposed a militia amounting to near half a million of citizens with arms in their hands." (Federalist Papers #46) - JAMES MADISON (Drafted Virginia Constitution, Member of Continental Congress, Virginia delegate to Constitutional Convention, named "Father of the Constitution", author of Federalist Papers, author of the Bill of Rights, Congressman from Virginia, Secretary of State, 4th President)
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Theres the guy who wrote the fuckin thing telling you exactly what it says! I rest my case!
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
My point is that the word "militia" can be used to describe a citizen militia or a "well regulated" by the government militia as described in the constitution!
The federal government can use the militia for the following purposes as stated in Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution:
To provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the union, suppress insurrections and repel invasions;
It's right there in the constifuckintition!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
I understand that, but what I mean is that arcticle perverted our founding fathers original intent. "they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins" was a warning we didn't get, when the 2nd was written there was no government militias, the people regulated them themselves, provide their own weapons equiptment and personel, christ during the revolution they would walk into a bar and yell "militias being called up"
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
anyone that could walk with a gun was in.
Your Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution, did exactly what our forefathers wanted to prevent, it federalized our civilian run state militias, and called them the National Guard, now our modern civilian militias are looked at as nothing more than a "gun nut club" by the mainstream, but the worst part of it is
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
people like you have had their freedoms taken away and you don't even realize it, hell you take the word of penn&teller over the guy wrote the second amendment. It was just the first step in pasifying our citizens. "The militia, who are in fact the effective part of the people at large, will render many troops quite unecessary. They will form a powerful check upon the regular troops, and will generally be sufficient to over-awe them" - Tench Coxe, An American Citizen IV, October 21, 1787
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
I think all these quotes prove the militias intent was to keep a check on the regular army, if they saw the word milita as a word that can describe any military body, than why is it in every quote theres always a distinction between a militia and a "standing army"? And militia is to military as cigarette is to cigar, just smaller and less smoke!
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
I suggest you watch Penn&Teller-Bullshit-Gun-Control-1 on my channel so you will understand what the second amendment means!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
"[I]f circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude, that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little if at all inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their rights and those of their fellow citizens." -- The Federalist, No. 29
- Alexander Hamilton THAT SOUNDS LIKE A CIVILIAN MILITIA TO ME!
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Go ask the Michigan or Maine or any other state militias if Congress is the only one that can call them up.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Since I am a member of the Michigan militia, ask me!
The militia as referenced in the consitiution is refering to a state regulated militia, PERIOD!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Maine here, and funny the state of maine ain't got shit to do with ours, other than us volunteering services, and them being able to call us up
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Neither does the state of Michigan and they can't call us up either because it isn't a "well regulated malitia" as defined in the constitution!
The point is that you said that "THERS NO SUCH THING AS A GOVT. MILITIA" yet militia is the root word for military!
I was in the Marine Corps which is a militia!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
See theres my point, it doesn't matter what YOU think the word "militia" means, what does matter is what the founding fathers meant by it. And since (at the time) there was the regular army of professional soldiers, and the militia of ordinary citizens fighting in street clothes, I think it's pretty obvious their meaning of militia is what today is offically known as "unorganized militia"
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
My point is, just because some asshole 100 yrs later decided to call the national guard an "organized militia" is irrelevant , it doesn't negate the fact that the founding fathers had their own definition of militia and it wasn't used to describe professional soldiers.
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
When you put on any military uniform for the U.S. govt you are a professional."What, sir, is the use of militia? It is to prevent the establishment of a standing army, the bane of liberty. . . Whenever Government means to invade the rights and liberties of the people, they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins." -- Debate, U.S. House of Representatives, August 17, 1789
- Elbridge Gerry
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
pretty obvious the militas purpose was to keep a regular army in check, thats kinda hard if "militia" means professional soldier under the control of the U.S. govt. "they always attempt to destroy the militia, in order to raise a standing army upon its ruins" THATS EXACTLY WHAT THEY DID!
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
"Congress shall have power to provide for calling forth the militia to execute the laws of the Union, suppress insurrections, and repel invasions. The key words here is "Congress" & "power" "Militia" - military force composed of ordinary citizens[1] to provide defense, emergency law enforcement, or paramilitary service, in times of emergency without being paid a regular salary or committed to a fixed term of service. Congress has the authority to form up a citizen milita, whats ur point?
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
"That the people have a Right to mass and to bear arms; that a well regulated militia composed of the Body of the people, trained to arms, is the proper natural and safe defense of a free State..."
- George Mason
"...who are the militia, if they be not the people of this country...? I ask, who are the militia? They consist of now of the whole people, except a few public officers."
- George Mason
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
"The powers of the sword, say the minority of Pennsylvania, is in the hands of Congress. My friends and countrymen, it is not so, for the powers of the sward are in the hands of the yeomanry of America from sixteen to sixty. The militia of these free commonwealths, entitled and accustomed to their arms, when compared with any possible army, must be tremendous and irresistible....
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
. Who are the militia? Are they not ourselves? Is it feared then, that we shall turn our arms each man against his own bosom? Congress have no right to disarm the militia. Their swords, and every other terrible implement of the soldier, are the birth-right of an American.... The unlimited power of the sword is not in the hands of either the federal or the state governments, but where I trust in God it will ever remain, in the hands of the people."
- Pennsylvania Gazette, February 20, 1788
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Don't tell me I don't know what the 2nd amendment says, you apparently don't understand the people who wrote it.
"A militia when properly formed are in fact the people themselves . . . and include all men capable of bearing arms. . . To preserve liberty it is essential that the whole body of people always possess arms... The mind that aims at a select militia, must be influenced by a truly anti-republican principle." -- RICHARD HENRY LEE (Signed Declaration of Independence,
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago
Cathy; hitler said the same thing. Seig heil to cathy.
bmwsux4 3 years ago
We are not living in 1795!, times have changed.
Let us move on and stop guns being placed into the hands of the gunny happy wackos and allow only the Government Militia to determine who may use firearms, as is clearly declared in.. "The U.S. Second Amendment, of The Bill of Rights".
cathytreks 3 years ago
The only thing clearly defined is your ignorance of the second amendment!
MolonLabeAndDie 3 years ago
Apparently you think it's 2295, well, this ain't the starship enterprise and the bad guys 9mm doesn't have a stun setting. And you obviously have no fuckin clue as to what the 2nd Amendments says, heres a tip, THERS NO SUCH THING AS A GOVT. MILITIA, moron, militias by there very definition are formed by the citizens, and a militia would not be "well regulated" if the civilians didn't have guns, another tip: militias suppy there own weapons! DEE DUH DEE!!!
M249SAWzALL 3 years ago