I think one of the reasons that Islam gets put together with Radical Islam is because there is not a clear seperation of the two. What I mean is that we have racist people in America, BUT we have a huge population of Americans that speaks out strongly against them. Showing the clear seperation. You don't seem to have big portion of the great, peaceful muslim population speaking out against the radicals the same way most Americans might speak out against the KKK taking over our reputation.
The video's assertions about anti-Muslim backlash have repeatedly been proven to be false. Any such incidents are few and far between, almost non-existent. Many of them are fabricated. I'm sure the ADC is a totally legit source too, it's not like Islamic organizations have a long and stories history of making things up while discreetly supporting terrorists and other hardliners.
Meanwhile Muslims have killed thousands of people in the West alone, to say nothing of the rest of the world.
if we can't have unique youtube vids without a hater hating on us not knowing what we really are about in life some of us can't help but swear and be ourselves and living in a world like this as fucked up as it is judging people as haters when they are not because of a certain group or race isn't right either bigots suck big time everyone should be equal no matter what the United States is corrupted bad pick on me for the way i dress i been putting up with shit for years
Religious tolerance is an oxymoron on YouTube. Pretty much every person I came across on this website has an extreme hate against Muslim people. I don't blame anyone for hating a single group of people despite how wrong it is. It's human nature to hate what we don't understand
@mcluvin9858 Being a woman, an atheist and homosexual... I don't hate Muslim people, but they sure hate me!
I understand it just fine. It's not the people that are the problem, it's the ideology. The people would be fine if they weren't mind-bogglingly poor and starving and undereducated and powerless and fed a load of horseshit by power-mad zealots who want to slaughter all nonbelievers.
I've got no problem with American Muslims, so long as they don't infringe upon MY rights.
@syn010110 Muslims are not "mind-bogglingly poor" and starving. They've got cell phones, television and Internet access. The terrorists are very technology and media savvy, and are often middle or upper class. Muslims who come to Europe usually receive welfare benefits and enjoy all the perks of living in a first world nation. Poverty, starvation and ignorance absolutely do not explain their behavior.
@tokyojesusfist Actually, it does explain their behavior. You have to understand this is not recent. This was set up hundreds of years ago, before things like cell phones, television and the Internet even existed. This all started after the Middle East fell off of its lofty pedestal during the dark ages.
Treating people different is still special treatment and appeasement. Again, another fail on why islam shouldn't be held to the same standards as every other faith. Seems that people are more afraid of it
I would say religious are like the nazis, yeye, winge about godwins law all day if you want but 99,9% are good, they dont know about the ovens, they dont know about the camps, they want to genuinally improve the world, they want to make it better for the rest of us. Still bad? No? Me neither, its good, its just that damn 0,01%
Gave you a like on this, 500 characters isn't enough to list the amount of fantastic points you had in this video, and you noted the criticisms I had of the guy more eloquently than I ever could.
oh and if you want to save your "white race" kill, kill their children, put them in camps why don't you do it? its human nature to kill so you should do it. you don't like them, you don't even call them human. its in our nature to KILL KILL KILL!!!!!
thats how it was back then and thats how it is now. the human heart is a black hole, light cannot escape
well I'm personally muslim and to be honest alot of the things muslims are depicted as are just over extreme, it's just the people them selves who are highly sensitive or seem extreme. It's not just the religion but how alot of muslims are brought up into the world. Most with a death defined definition of religion. (luckily I'm not one of those death defined O-o)
I have to say, while it's true that tfoot made the mistake in characterizing 'Islam' as if it were one nation. His point still remains: the doctrine of Islam is a threat to Western Values and should not be tolerated when it exceeds established law.
LOL ok then millions of whites should also move to muslim countries, and they should allow us to build 1000s of churches and force their schools to teach our european languages and traditions, sounds good?
@aliox326 the problem with humanity is that it is evil by nature. intolerance is our nature and love a is our enemy. love can not be in a world where people control where you live based on color. we treat each other like aliens from other planet.
nah your just a new age retard who thinks the idea of creating a multicultural utopia is possible and that it is a revolutionary concept, but the problem is, it will lead to the end of the white raace which basically means a stagnation to all future progress of humanity, who will be there to continue inventing and discovering as europeans have done for thousands of years? a new dark age awaits us, thanks liberal scum
Nah but the average IQ of whites is higher than most races on this earth except probably east asians (Japan, China, Korea), anyone with logic can see that, but liberals don't really have a concept of "logic".
Anyways, you still disgust me because you support the genocide of the european race.
@aliox326 oh just because i don't believing in "race" that does not mean i want to kill off the all knowing "european race". IQ is not a "race" thing put a black person in china and he'll be smart. its all choice
Statistics prove that "put a black person in china and he'll be smart" thing sounds good on paper but is impossible in reality, reminds me of something called communism ..
But anyways, if you're not gonna consider my points and look up statistics that PROVE what i say, then might as well not even reply to me, you're just going nowhere
If you need statistics from me on why the "put a black person in china and he'll be smart" idea wont
Hahahah the liberal hipocrisy continues, so you do agree that there are differences between the races but only when "blacks" are portrayed as the smartest ones, smarter than Asians?
Ahh so now everyone reading these comments should know that Mr "human unity" is just against europeans and not against any other race, so much for "human unity"
@aliox326 no im not i am say that anybody can be smart. if i was against "Europeans" i would not like Metal. and as for humanity i would love to see it fall. i bet your a person that says if everybody staid on their own Continent we will have peace right? news flash peace is imposable, love is imposable, human can only hate and kill. "human unity" could never happen ever but where there's a will there's a way.
"Racism is man's gravest threat to man - the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason." - Abraham J. Heschel
A quick search for that name and ; Abraham Joshua Heschel (January 11, 1907 – December 23, 1972) was a Warsaw-born American rabbi and one of the leading Jewish theologians and Jewish philosophers of the 20th century.
@aliox326 so you hate jews no surprise. its fake love, i can't love and i never will no love. i should have said love is weak in the hearts of mankind.
@aliox326 you hate Zionism witch is a from of nationalism(but Jewish) but your a nationalist your self don't get it? oh and here's a question do you think mankind is evil, and hateful by nature or choice because for me its both
No... Zionism is Jewish supremacy, a view that jews are the most superior race on this earth and that it is the only "worthy" race, it comes hand in hand with Judaism.
A top rabbi said a few years ago in a Jewish newspaper that it is OK for a Jew to kill a gentile (non jewish person) and take his liver if it will help save a Jewish person.
Nationalism is the belief that everyone is fine the way they are, and don't need to be changed.
That people are fine the way they are in their own ethnic states with no forced multiculturalism and integration.
So who are the real racists? People who want to live with their own ethnic group or people who want to "improve" and socially engineer other races into forcefully living with each other.
@aliox326 supremacy? nationalism is one of the many causes of war. because some wipe thinks there country is better. supremacy and supremacy are similar
No... Supremacy is advocating that a race has the right to dominate over another race..
Nationalism is advocating the right for a people to have their own homeland, to live amongst people of your own ethnic group (pretty much most of the world except North America and Europe.
"We are all brothers under the skin - and I, for one, would be willing to skin humanity to prove it" - Ayn Rand
Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум) on February 2, 1905, to a bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was the eldest of the three daughters (Alisa, Natasha, and Nora) of Zinovy Zakharovich Rosenbaum and Anna Borisovna Rosenbaum, largely non-observant Jews.
Also, i hate it when liberals criticize you when you don't agree with this "one human race" ideology. Anyone with half a brain can tell that there are differences between races.
Biology trumps ideology. Stop trying to make Africans into White people. You guys are the real "supremacists" since i am implying that they are fine how they are, but you wanna socially engineer and change that. And, racial differences have little to do with skin color, it's more about genetics.
@straightd0pe: unfortunately, I didn't see a response to your "no?", so I'll make this short one. It is manifestly the case that the answer is no. Here's how one can readily tell the claim fails: your argument had to account for all of the people who were wrongly thought to be muslim, and as such suffered some ill-will as a consequence. Were it the case they were so visibly distinguishable, such error would not be made.
@hildegain: indeed. My first thought when responding was about the Jews. You know, they're so obviously Jewish that we need to make them wear the Star of David so that everyone will know they're Jews. See? It's that obvious.
@straightd0pe ya i agree with alot of your vids, but i disagree with you here, you through out the 'race' (ethnicity) card as an explanation of persecution. By your statement you would say that White Westerners would demonize anyone a different color than themselves....which is a very board generalization...something you vid is ranting about itself
You make really excellent videos when you're not bitching about other more popular YouTubers like a dramafag. Do more stuff like this and less about Brett Keanne or whoever.
There is a problem among us humans, that dictates us to force ourselves over others. It is obviously a problem because two people cannot both be the leader of the other. Lay down and take other's rule? No and yes. As anyone with reasoning ability will tell you; some people are better than others at different things. And so it would obviously be wiser to heed those who are more knowledgeable in the currently necessary field.
Do not ask the poison maker what foods you should eat.
As an atheist, I tend to ignore any religious happenings that may occur among my friends. I consider it my duty as an atheist to keep my mouth shut on such matters. I personally turned away from spiritualism on my own. I consider my atheism another count towards my own reliance on myself rather than others. I do not see atheism as a higher state of enlightenment that I may use to lord others around with.
To preach at other atheists, however, that's another matter entirely.
I disage with you on the basis that you are advocating treating muslims differently BECAUSE they look different, even if for good intentions, is still a bad thing. people who negaitvely discriminate against muslims will do so anyway because they have a backward way of thinking, and what people like us and TF say isnt going to change that. on the other hand we are teaching people to treat those who look differently differently. man this is badly worded. need beer.
Very well done. If you look at hate crime stats in any western country after 9/11 the ones against "Muslims" have gone up several fold. It is a sensitive atmosphere and people should have responsibility for what they say.
Good video. Generalizing also leads to or is related to 'essentializing' and 'eternalizing' , what are historically fluid and context dependent concepts, in this case 'islam'. For example the extremism we see today came from the politically active, charitable, and socially constructive muslim groups in Egypt. Which, for many different reasons, (namely state corruption and subsequent disenchantment) led to violence as a means of action.
@straightd0pe Explain to me how can you have a conversation about a group without some generalization? You would spend 20 minutes with a dozen different qualifiers for any argument you wish to make. How about this...if it doesn't apply to you and you're muslim then congrats you're one of the good ones and it doesn't apply to you sheesh get over yourself.
It's good to put yourself in the Muslim's shoes. How does it feel to have people compare atheism to Joseph Stalin? Sure Stalin was an atheist, but what he did wasn't because of atheism. Sure Islam was the tool on 9-11, but the same could be done with just about every religion. It's not like Christian terrorists don't exist. There is definitely a problem, there are some pretty pissed off Muslim's in the world. But we should figure it out rather than assume it's their religion.
I can't deny that there a problems with Islam. A lot of Muslims could use "A Lecture on Tolerance" as well. Creating a negative stereotype is bad though. It's not fair to peaceful Muslims(which is the majority of them) and it does create situations like Nazi Germany. But how do you deal with Muslim extremists while not offending or creating bigotry on peaceful Muslim? Because you can't just ignore it all. I really don't know what to think on this subject.
If we want Peace throughout the world, we have to remove Religion and gods from our "Life's Vocabulary". For too long, religion and belief in gods have hindered our progression in Science, Politics and Civilization Growth throughout the planet. To believe in a Mythical Deity is nothing more than man looking for a Babysitter to take care of the Damage we have cause to this world by these beliefs.
Man Made god, Not, god Made Man - Religion and gods are the "Piss Hole" of our Species!!!
@TheReaITooney, what would you have us choose instead? Laws against belief itself? Somehow I think that would be more detrimental to human growth and development than the presence of oppressive systems of religious thought.
@NoAntecessor Oppressive systems are also called that by people who enjoy to commit crimes such as child molestation, murder, and so on. Why are they punished? Are they not oppressed to do what they want?
These things are ended through laws. If religions are cults and we continue to let them commit crimes, should they not be brought to justice under the idea that they'd be oppressed?
Lets look at human benefits, society and growth vs freedoms for ignorance
@TheReaITooney, we're discussing laws against beliefs, not actions. To compare legislation against belief with legislation against child molestation is a false analogy. I personally believe that a society that banned thought, of any type, would be far less healthy than a society that allows flawed systems of belief like religion, and I think it's loathsome that you'd strive for such.
What about when the leaders of Islamic states, state over and over again that they are speaking on behalf of Islam? When they kill people in the name of Islam? When they treat women as 2nd class citizens in the name of Islam? They get protection from this thinking. They get to play a religion, a minority, a political system whatever, and whenver each view serves them best.
@christo930 How about the Imam at Park51, who believes that the US constitution is the ideal form of Sharia? How about the fact that there are jewish and Christian prayer spaces as well as a muslim one? They don't get that protection you speak of. Not here. And has it ever occured to you that many of these Muslims that are coming here are fleeing from the same tyranny you describe?
@Anghellik9 That part I actually did understand, it's the rest of the post that I can't understand. I am quite sure some of the Muslims in the west have come because they hate tyranny and they want freedom from oppressive theocracies.
@Anghellik9 How about the Imam at Park51, who believes that the US constitution is the ideal form of Sharia?
I don't recall comparing the US constitution to a form of Sharia. Multiple prayer rooms? So what. I am talking about Islamic leaders of foreign nations who act in the name of Islam. That is the frustrating part.
There's no shortage of white, middle class intellectual, males, to tell us all about the 'moderate muslim' perspective; But precious few moderate muslims giving their own narrative. Virtually nothing, from the so called moderate voice, acknowledging the need for Islamic reforms.
@monco66 Look at every Islamic run country, look at how barbaric they are, how Muslims seem to always resort to violence when offended. Look at how many movies there are criticizing Christianity, but 1 movie about Islam and the guy who made it gets stabbed like 20 times on the street.
Cartoons with Jesus are made all the time, but 1 cartoon with Muhammad and there's riots and death threats.
It's not rhetoric when the example is proven in every case. This is what Islam teaches at it's core
My mate Faisal's a Muslim. He doesn't resort to violence when offended. Or, indeed, feel inclined to stab anyone after watching Four Lions. Funnily enough, he knows the difference between those who take the piss out of extremists, and pompous cockends like you. You know, the type of berk who thinks a sweeping condemnation of over a billion people not only makes sense, but actually qualifies as insight. Don't worry, though - he won't stab you either, he'll just call you a cunt.
@monco66 So he is a moderate, and I have no problem with that. How often does he speak out against the extremists of his religion? Do you? I know I do every chance I get.
What is berk? And wow, I don't think I've ever, in my entire life, been referred to as a "pompous cockend" (cockhead maybe?), and I'm amazed that you could even think that my comment comes off like that.
I was simply stating historical facts with things that have happened in the last few years, like the cartoon.
Of course he does! Do you want him to send a signed condemnation of extremists to you? Will that prove Muslims aren't all murderously hypersensitive, barbaric throwbacks, or silently complicit? Why not search for 'Mumbai Muslim protests'. That'll show Muslims speaking out against extremism. What will it take to convince a paranoid, psychotic prat like you that Islam isn't out to destroy the West and freedom of expression? Cockend. Use your imagination to work that out.
@monco66 Psychotic prat like me? You're the one calling me names and flying off the handle. Sharia Law in the Koran is biggoted, hateful, sexist, violent, terrible, and when extremists use those laws to run a society, THAT kind of thing I am against.
I know there is no possible way "Islam will take over the west", but when I have the real possibility for losing my life, in my own country, if I make a movie criticizing Islam, you can't deny that those teachings are of hate and violence.
Just thank your lucky stars you don't have the talent or wherewithall to make a movie criticising anything. No Muslim stabbings for you. Prove me wrong. Become the next big film polemicist. The Michael Moore of Islamophobes, if you will.
More likely, you'll just continue spouting vile shite on YT, and provide endless fodder for people like me, who need to let off steam once in a while. Believe me, you provide a valuable service.
@monco66 Naaa, it's safer to just wait for the next cartoon or the next movie, and see what happens to that person. Wanna take bets?
It's funny that you think I don't have the talent to make a movie when you know nothing about me, very arrogant of you my friend.
How stating facts vile? A fact is a fact, you can't argue with written words, or the repeated and predictable actions of the extremists. It's an interpretation of words IN the book, and it wouldn't exist if it wasn't in the book.
@squirreljester2 Well, if we are to assume that written evidence should be taken at face value, the following should be considered indisputably true. You are a total, useless cunt. Really. A complete cunt. Now go make a movie. Show a mastery of montage that would make Eisenstein weep. I welcome people who exceed my misanthropic view of the world. I'm just afraid that you'll just confirm it. Cunt.
@monco66 So he is a moderate, and I have no problem with that. How often does he speak out against the extremists of his religion? Do you? I know I do every chance I get.
What is berk? And wow, I don't think I've ever, in my entire life, been referred to as a "pompous cockend" (cockhead maybe?), and I'm amazed that you could even think that my comment comes off like that.
I was simply stating historical facts with things that have happened in the last few years, like the cartoon.
@Skinnyoompalumpa The holy book Qur'an perhaps?? It clearly states in basicly half the book that all unbelieves await a eternal punishment. Because god only reward the truthfull. So It's not just an "impression". It's what the book says!
And as far as I know the muslims believe in the Qur'an.
I asked my Inam he said that if you truley are a good person God will absolve you and you get to go to heavan. Maybe you should actually get to know Muslims before you fling wild accusations
@Skinnyoompalumpa These are not just "wild accusations" these are the words from god, as spoken from the holy book Qur'an.
I don't care what your inam says, he defy the book, therefor the is the worst of kind according to Qur'an. A believer that pick and chose is the worst of kind and they await a horrible punishment. I just read this yesterday.
Just accept the fact that the book is morbid and cruel against non-believers.
For it clearly states that. End of Discussion. Thanks
I'm not sure I have been debunked. Allah says himself that he wants to annihilate the disbelievers and uses muslims to do it. Allah is no stranger to terror, it is his number one game. Should one not expect muslims to know that? I know they will deny it but that's what the Quran says so that's what that bastard Allah is like. If many so called muslims don't agree then maybe they are not real muslims after all since they are worshiping another god than the one in the Quran?
@CreativeFreedoms I don't care what Allah says. Yaweh says exactly the same thng, so does Jesus himself. Are you saying Every Christian would agree with the nuking of an entire nation certain sections of their book because God calls for Armageddon? But of Course Christianity is all innocence and life, and is ful of moderates isn't it? No such thing as a moderate Muslim right?
Oh I see, so Americans supporting the execution of Gays in Uganda, bombing abortion clinics or calling for the nuking of other countries is not extreme. Oh okay then. Bigots don't pay attention to facts, just what they want to hear
@AsheIsTheRaven What's this talk about "americans" all of a sudden, I though we area discussing religion... Oh, I guess you are a big "anti-capitalist" too right? Your agenda shines through little communist.
@CreativeFreedoms Once again people like you move the goal posts. I said "American Christians" you moron, you know that country you think is so full of more moderate religious nuts. And it's amazing how you equate pointing out the flaw in your argument as both an agenda and akin to communism. what did anything I had to say have to do with capitalism. Oh wait your one of those aren't you? A red neck American fascist, lol. You do McCarthy Proud
What about the incongruency of muslim belief vs non muslims. People always say we don't want to offend 1 billion plus people. What about the 5 billion plus non muslims. Also we have hyper mosques being built in France, England, and now the USA, whilst we have one Church in all of Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the Muslim demographic is exploding in Europe, read Mark Steyn's "America Alone" to find the real numbers. Liberal "tolerance" sounds alarmingly like Neville Chamberlainism.
@polutc I didn't argue against offending any people. And, who's "we" who have a church in Saudi Arabia?
You think it's akin to appeasing Nazi Germany to let Muslims lawfully practice their religion and avoid using illegitimate generalizations of them? That's ridiculous.
@straightd0pe Do you think that he's criticizing Muslims because their inherent superstitious beliefs is a result of their skin color and/or genetic predisposition, or because he genuinely believes that Muslims are Muslims because they are uneducated and that he's actually making a less crystallized argument against the middle east's inability or seeming unwillingness to tell their people that there's no such thing as a desert god who encourages violent, discriminatory, and sexist behavior?
So, atheist attack dog straitdope turns out to be a Muslimist, big surprise.
I guess it wouldn't matter to you if we had Sharia law and women were outlawed, would it? You'd probably be happy if you didn't have to look at attractive women, because they remind you what a loser you are.
@straightd0pe Muslimist (v): 1. Pussy liberal who bends over backwards to appease Muslims because he's afraid of the stern talking-to he'd get from Keith Olberman if he didn't.
2. You
3. Ugly man who's intimidated by attractive women and would prefer that they're covered up with a tarp and forbidden to speak.
@straightd0pe I don't know who that is, but I can assure you I'm neither friendly nor a geek. I'm the real fucking deal.
Now, I know you think you're hot shit, but you better back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up. Delete this video and make a new one supporting "Burn the Koran day".
If the bullshit you spouted in the first msg didn't already convince me that you were an ignorant sack of xenophobic American shit, then this certainly does. A verb?! Oh geez..... I really feel sorry for your education system, and all who are subjected to it.
Whenever I watch a Thunderfoot video (which is rare these days), if he uses the words "Muslims" or "Islam", I replace it with "Jews" or "Judaism." This has an amazing way of making him sound like the fascist he truly is. As an anarchist (who is strongly opposed to fascism), I started tuning him out quite a while ago, because I don't think he realizes the damage he is doing to the atheist movement.
Generalization is wrong. Extremists do it all the time. We, intellectually responsible people should know better. Attack the retarded pillars (Sharia Law anyone?), not the idea as whole. Gradually deconstruct the bullshit.
I hear ya, but on this particular issue I'm not sure I agree. It is very clear in the doctrine of Islam (the koran) that it is the duty of all Muslims to propagate their religion to the point that everyone either converts, pays a tax, or dies. Sure, not all of them follow their religion in that regard, granted, but that is what they are supposed to do as dictated by the koran.
I watched Thunderf00t as a lurker for nearly a year, I really liked his videos, but I have to say I'm losing respect for him. I respect his work on science and creationism but I've been bothered for awhile by the way he talks about Muslims. Muslims aren't all one homogeneous group, even in Islamic theocracies there are progressives they're just kept silent by the extremists who run their countries. When Christian Extremists ruled it was the dark ages, the threat isn't Islam it's fanaticism.
Ok but ideologies do influence people's behavior. I don't think that statements should be made to promote some kind of equality of all religions for the sake of fairness. It is absurd to do that with political ideologies and religious ideologies are really no different.
Actually, political ideologies and religious beliefs can be very different. Political ideologies are about calling people to action while the other is calling to their faith.
That is just bullshit, just look at all the laws and rules of islam and you will see the fallacy of that. The believers are supposed to do what their god tells them.
Political ideologies do not explain where we come from or how the world was created. They explain why we have conflict, what human nature is on a basic level, a lens though which you view the world. They do not get involved with the super natural. Religions can be influenced by political ideologies and can be used as vehicles for their agenda. However, they are NOT the same.
But the majority of them don't! This is what I don't understand. It's just like what the Bible tells Christians to do, however YOU know that the majority of Christians do not stone heathens and sell off their daughters in marriage against their will, however you're getting more up in arms about the Islamic faith than the Christian.
Actually, people would talk less of "Islam this" and "islam that" if muslims didn't try to portray themselves as some united front whenever faced with perceived offense or threat. Muslims even try to lie about not being a fractured religion, at least the proselytizing ones.
u canadians live in a fucking bubble.
ImNeilPatrickHarris 4 weeks ago
I think one of the reasons that Islam gets put together with Radical Islam is because there is not a clear seperation of the two. What I mean is that we have racist people in America, BUT we have a huge population of Americans that speaks out strongly against them. Showing the clear seperation. You don't seem to have big portion of the great, peaceful muslim population speaking out against the radicals the same way most Americans might speak out against the KKK taking over our reputation.
mrhoffame 4 months ago
The video's assertions about anti-Muslim backlash have repeatedly been proven to be false. Any such incidents are few and far between, almost non-existent. Many of them are fabricated. I'm sure the ADC is a totally legit source too, it's not like Islamic organizations have a long and stories history of making things up while discreetly supporting terrorists and other hardliners.
Meanwhile Muslims have killed thousands of people in the West alone, to say nothing of the rest of the world.
tokyojesusfist 5 months ago
if we can't have unique youtube vids without a hater hating on us not knowing what we really are about in life some of us can't help but swear and be ourselves and living in a world like this as fucked up as it is judging people as haters when they are not because of a certain group or race isn't right either bigots suck big time everyone should be equal no matter what the United States is corrupted bad pick on me for the way i dress i been putting up with shit for years
MegaDarkangel420 6 months ago
Why is it okay to bash Christianity but not Islam?
Because Christians usually don't blow you up.
People defend Islam not because it's worth defending, but because they're afraid to criticize it. THAT is what thunderf00t is trying to get at.
I cannot in good conscience defend a religion that MANDATES the murder of nonbelievers... among other things.
syn010110 9 months ago 3
@syn010110 If that is true then stop follow Christianity because it says it in the bible too... its all about how you read it.
PaveHawkUSAF89 3 months ago
Religious tolerance is an oxymoron on YouTube. Pretty much every person I came across on this website has an extreme hate against Muslim people. I don't blame anyone for hating a single group of people despite how wrong it is. It's human nature to hate what we don't understand
mcluvin9858 9 months ago
@mcluvin9858 Being a woman, an atheist and homosexual... I don't hate Muslim people, but they sure hate me!
I understand it just fine. It's not the people that are the problem, it's the ideology. The people would be fine if they weren't mind-bogglingly poor and starving and undereducated and powerless and fed a load of horseshit by power-mad zealots who want to slaughter all nonbelievers.
I've got no problem with American Muslims, so long as they don't infringe upon MY rights.
syn010110 9 months ago
@syn010110 Muslims are not "mind-bogglingly poor" and starving. They've got cell phones, television and Internet access. The terrorists are very technology and media savvy, and are often middle or upper class. Muslims who come to Europe usually receive welfare benefits and enjoy all the perks of living in a first world nation. Poverty, starvation and ignorance absolutely do not explain their behavior.
tokyojesusfist 5 months ago
@tokyojesusfist Actually, it does explain their behavior. You have to understand this is not recent. This was set up hundreds of years ago, before things like cell phones, television and the Internet even existed. This all started after the Middle East fell off of its lofty pedestal during the dark ages.
syn010110 5 months ago
@syn010110 Yes, and Muslims have been butthurt ever since. But what does that have to do with poverty, starvation and ignorance?
tokyojesusfist 5 months ago
coward
obidunn14 10 months ago
Treating people different is still special treatment and appeasement. Again, another fail on why islam shouldn't be held to the same standards as every other faith. Seems that people are more afraid of it
sol3a1 10 months ago
I would say religious are like the nazis, yeye, winge about godwins law all day if you want but 99,9% are good, they dont know about the ovens, they dont know about the camps, they want to genuinally improve the world, they want to make it better for the rest of us. Still bad? No? Me neither, its good, its just that damn 0,01%
Ultramaggy 10 months ago
yea thunderfoot is a douche.. unsuscriped him today for his video bashing Alex Jones.
slumberingsam 1 year ago
@slumberingsam "unsuscriped him today for his video bashing Alex Jones." That doesn't make one a douche :p
ProgressiveAudio 10 months ago
YOU HEAR THAT FOX NEWS......oh wait....apparently not
jigglebilly235 1 year ago
Gave you a like on this, 500 characters isn't enough to list the amount of fantastic points you had in this video, and you noted the criticisms I had of the guy more eloquently than I ever could.
extremepietbh 1 year ago
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supremacy and nationalism are similar you right extremist
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
oh and if you want to save your "white race" kill, kill their children, put them in camps why don't you do it? its human nature to kill so you should do it. you don't like them, you don't even call them human. its in our nature to KILL KILL KILL!!!!!
thats how it was back then and thats how it is now. the human heart is a black hole, light cannot escape
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Your new nickname is stalin, okay? :D
aliox326 1 year ago
@NoAntecessor But even if those thoughts are irrational to harm others?
TheReaITooney 1 year ago
@TheReaITooney, yes, if even those thoughts are irrational. A system of laws to oppose thoughts and beliefs themselves are a very poor idea.
NoAntecessor 1 year ago
@NoAntecessor i think if you allow irrationality over freedom, you get horrible outcomes
TheReaITooney 1 year ago
well I'm personally muslim and to be honest alot of the things muslims are depicted as are just over extreme, it's just the people them selves who are highly sensitive or seem extreme. It's not just the religion but how alot of muslims are brought up into the world. Most with a death defined definition of religion. (luckily I'm not one of those death defined O-o)
monckey100 1 year ago
I have to say, while it's true that tfoot made the mistake in characterizing 'Islam' as if it were one nation. His point still remains: the doctrine of Islam is a threat to Western Values and should not be tolerated when it exceeds established law.
Nimnoms 1 year ago
What are muslims doing in Europe and North America anyways?!?!?!?!?!
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 we all live on the same planet if Muslims want to live in Europe let them
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
LOL ok then millions of whites should also move to muslim countries, and they should allow us to build 1000s of churches and force their schools to teach our european languages and traditions, sounds good?
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 yep
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
ok, go ahead and lobby the media for them to say that and lobby the goverment and then i will be happy
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 the problem with humanity is that it is evil by nature. intolerance is our nature and love a is our enemy. love can not be in a world where people control where you live based on color. we treat each other like aliens from other planet.
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
nah your just a new age retard who thinks the idea of creating a multicultural utopia is possible and that it is a revolutionary concept, but the problem is, it will lead to the end of the white raace which basically means a stagnation to all future progress of humanity, who will be there to continue inventing and discovering as europeans have done for thousands of years? a new dark age awaits us, thanks liberal scum
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 in other words you are saying whites are the only smart people
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Nah but the average IQ of whites is higher than most races on this earth except probably east asians (Japan, China, Korea), anyone with logic can see that, but liberals don't really have a concept of "logic".
Anyways, you still disgust me because you support the genocide of the european race.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 oh just because i don't believing in "race" that does not mean i want to kill off the all knowing "european race". IQ is not a "race" thing put a black person in china and he'll be smart. its all choice
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Yeah, you're very ignorant aren't you...
Statistics prove that "put a black person in china and he'll be smart" thing sounds good on paper but is impossible in reality, reminds me of something called communism ..
But anyways, if you're not gonna consider my points and look up statistics that PROVE what i say, then might as well not even reply to me, you're just going nowhere
If you need statistics from me on why the "put a black person in china and he'll be smart" idea wont
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 you know Africans that come to U.S. get better scores than asians but thats a different story
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Hahahah the liberal hipocrisy continues, so you do agree that there are differences between the races but only when "blacks" are portrayed as the smartest ones, smarter than Asians?
Ahh so now everyone reading these comments should know that Mr "human unity" is just against europeans and not against any other race, so much for "human unity"
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 no im not i am say that anybody can be smart. if i was against "Europeans" i would not like Metal. and as for humanity i would love to see it fall. i bet your a person that says if everybody staid on their own Continent we will have peace right? news flash peace is imposable, love is imposable, human can only hate and kill. "human unity" could never happen ever but where there's a will there's a way.
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
I hate metal and i am european, if love is impossible then why the "human unity love and peace" hipocrisy?
When every race is seperate, civilization flourishes, when we try to achieve utopian unity that's when things go bad.
Looking at your page on youtube, it's funny how most of those quotes in your description are made by jewish zionists, for example ;
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326
"Racism is man's gravest threat to man - the maximum of hatred for a minimum of reason." - Abraham J. Heschel
A quick search for that name and ; Abraham Joshua Heschel (January 11, 1907 – December 23, 1972) was a Warsaw-born American rabbi and one of the leading Jewish theologians and Jewish philosophers of the 20th century.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 so you hate jews no surprise. its fake love, i can't love and i never will no love. i should have said love is weak in the hearts of mankind.
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Hey stalin, no i do not hate jews, i hate zionist jews, for anyone wanting to know more on that go check Dr David Duke's videos on youtube
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 you hate Zionism witch is a from of nationalism(but Jewish) but your a nationalist your self don't get it? oh and here's a question do you think mankind is evil, and hateful by nature or choice because for me its both
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
No... Zionism is Jewish supremacy, a view that jews are the most superior race on this earth and that it is the only "worthy" race, it comes hand in hand with Judaism.
A top rabbi said a few years ago in a Jewish newspaper that it is OK for a Jew to kill a gentile (non jewish person) and take his liver if it will help save a Jewish person.
Nationalism is the belief that everyone is fine the way they are, and don't need to be changed.
aliox326 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
That people are fine the way they are in their own ethnic states with no forced multiculturalism and integration.
So who are the real racists? People who want to live with their own ethnic group or people who want to "improve" and socially engineer other races into forcefully living with each other.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 supremacy? nationalism is one of the many causes of war. because some wipe thinks there country is better. supremacy and supremacy are similar
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
What?
That didn't make any sense, but i wouldn't expect "sense" coming anyways from a leftist extremist.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 upremacy and nationalism are similar you right extremist
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
No... Supremacy is advocating that a race has the right to dominate over another race..
Nationalism is advocating the right for a people to have their own homeland, to live amongst people of your own ethnic group (pretty much most of the world except North America and Europe.
Get your facts straight Comrade Stalin.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 but then we have ultra Nationalism
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
and we also got far leftism/marxism, whats your point?
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 your side is just as crazy as my side but i mix mine with cynicism
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Another from your page ;
"We are all brothers under the skin - and I, for one, would be willing to skin humanity to prove it" - Ayn Rand
Rand was born Alisa Zinov'yevna Rosenbaum (Russian: Алиса Зиновьевна Розенбаум) on February 2, 1905, to a bourgeois family living in Saint Petersburg. She was the eldest of the three daughters (Alisa, Natasha, and Nora) of Zinovy Zakharovich Rosenbaum and Anna Borisovna Rosenbaum, largely non-observant Jews.
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aliox326 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity work, then i will gladly provide them to you, start with this video :
/watch?v=PDi6EK93VrQ
Just copy paste that after w w w . y o u t u b e . c o m/
aliox326 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity Also IQ is a race thing, but scientists are censored when it comes to this fact because of political corectness, read this article
w w w .news-medical. n e t/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx
(remove the spaces)
aliox326 1 year ago
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aliox326 1 year ago
@TheHumanUnity
Also, i hate it when liberals criticize you when you don't agree with this "one human race" ideology. Anyone with half a brain can tell that there are differences between races.
Biology trumps ideology. Stop trying to make Africans into White people. You guys are the real "supremacists" since i am implying that they are fine how they are, but you wanna socially engineer and change that. And, racial differences have little to do with skin color, it's more about genetics.
aliox326 1 year ago
@aliox326 im not try to make Africans into White people. we are human beings get over it
TheHumanUnity 1 year ago
Fuck tolerance, Canadian liberals like you are fucking dumb.
aliox326 1 year ago
I have to be cautious criticizing Muslims because they look different? Can I criticize people with other religions that look the same as me?
What if I do it anonymous and nobody knows what I look like?
ratje67 1 year ago
@ratje67 wear a turbin and talk all the shit you want about islam. ;)
182511419139208 1 year ago
Thank you very much for this video!
aLmAnZio 1 year ago
@NigerianJoe No?
straightd0pe 1 year ago 8
@straightd0pe: unfortunately, I didn't see a response to your "no?", so I'll make this short one. It is manifestly the case that the answer is no. Here's how one can readily tell the claim fails: your argument had to account for all of the people who were wrongly thought to be muslim, and as such suffered some ill-will as a consequence. Were it the case they were so visibly distinguishable, such error would not be made.
integralmath 10 months ago
@integralmath That and there are white muslims whom you would not presuppose to be muslim
hildegain 10 months ago
@hildegain: indeed. My first thought when responding was about the Jews. You know, they're so obviously Jewish that we need to make them wear the Star of David so that everyone will know they're Jews. See? It's that obvious.
integralmath 10 months ago
@straightd0pe ya i agree with alot of your vids, but i disagree with you here, you through out the 'race' (ethnicity) card as an explanation of persecution. By your statement you would say that White Westerners would demonize anyone a different color than themselves....which is a very board generalization...something you vid is ranting about itself
DaytonaRoadster 7 months ago
This video made me facepalm.
EuroPowa 1 year ago
I fail to see how your demonstration that muslims are all over the globe, disproves they are generally bigots as of the tenants of theirs faith.
JRBendixen 1 year ago
You make really excellent videos when you're not bitching about other more popular YouTubers like a dramafag. Do more stuff like this and less about Brett Keanne or whoever.
NoFaithInNihilism 1 year ago
There is a problem among us humans, that dictates us to force ourselves over others. It is obviously a problem because two people cannot both be the leader of the other. Lay down and take other's rule? No and yes. As anyone with reasoning ability will tell you; some people are better than others at different things. And so it would obviously be wiser to heed those who are more knowledgeable in the currently necessary field.
Do not ask the poison maker what foods you should eat.
ClaireLytton 1 year ago
As an atheist, I tend to ignore any religious happenings that may occur among my friends. I consider it my duty as an atheist to keep my mouth shut on such matters. I personally turned away from spiritualism on my own. I consider my atheism another count towards my own reliance on myself rather than others. I do not see atheism as a higher state of enlightenment that I may use to lord others around with.
To preach at other atheists, however, that's another matter entirely.
ClaireLytton 1 year ago
I disage with you on the basis that you are advocating treating muslims differently BECAUSE they look different, even if for good intentions, is still a bad thing. people who negaitvely discriminate against muslims will do so anyway because they have a backward way of thinking, and what people like us and TF say isnt going to change that. on the other hand we are teaching people to treat those who look differently differently. man this is badly worded. need beer.
popeyroach 1 year ago
Very well done. If you look at hate crime stats in any western country after 9/11 the ones against "Muslims" have gone up several fold. It is a sensitive atmosphere and people should have responsibility for what they say.
muaddib17 1 year ago
Well worded, thoughtful video
giliellthesecond 1 year ago
straightd0pe,
I only found this video today, and I'm glad I did. I especially liked your point about visible minorities, and the dangers of discrimination.
gcuarbitrary 1 year ago
Good video. Generalizing also leads to or is related to 'essentializing' and 'eternalizing' , what are historically fluid and context dependent concepts, in this case 'islam'. For example the extremism we see today came from the politically active, charitable, and socially constructive muslim groups in Egypt. Which, for many different reasons, (namely state corruption and subsequent disenchantment) led to violence as a means of action.
Grayto 1 year ago
@straightd0pe Explain to me how can you have a conversation about a group without some generalization? You would spend 20 minutes with a dozen different qualifiers for any argument you wish to make. How about this...if it doesn't apply to you and you're muslim then congrats you're one of the good ones and it doesn't apply to you sheesh get over yourself.
gamesmaster35 1 year ago
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saltfan2 1 year ago
It's good to put yourself in the Muslim's shoes. How does it feel to have people compare atheism to Joseph Stalin? Sure Stalin was an atheist, but what he did wasn't because of atheism. Sure Islam was the tool on 9-11, but the same could be done with just about every religion. It's not like Christian terrorists don't exist. There is definitely a problem, there are some pretty pissed off Muslim's in the world. But we should figure it out rather than assume it's their religion.
urantivirus 1 year ago
I can't deny that there a problems with Islam. A lot of Muslims could use "A Lecture on Tolerance" as well. Creating a negative stereotype is bad though. It's not fair to peaceful Muslims(which is the majority of them) and it does create situations like Nazi Germany. But how do you deal with Muslim extremists while not offending or creating bigotry on peaceful Muslim? Because you can't just ignore it all. I really don't know what to think on this subject.
urantivirus 1 year ago
Good video, I absolutely agree with you.
Fuglebolle 1 year ago
This is why you could be the smartest man in the man in the world, yet also be the most ignorant.
italianbubble 1 year ago
@italianbubble What?
hugesinker 1 year ago
@hugesinker LOL sorry I was tired when I typed that. You could be the smartest man in the world yet also be the most ignorant.
You could have the highest IQ in the world (TF being a scientist) but yet be a racist person at the same time (His apparent hate for Muslims)
italianbubble 1 year ago
If we want Peace throughout the world, we have to remove Religion and gods from our "Life's Vocabulary". For too long, religion and belief in gods have hindered our progression in Science, Politics and Civilization Growth throughout the planet. To believe in a Mythical Deity is nothing more than man looking for a Babysitter to take care of the Damage we have cause to this world by these beliefs.
Man Made god, Not, god Made Man - Religion and gods are the "Piss Hole" of our Species!!!
stevethul1 1 year ago
@NoAntecessor I still find it hypocritical to choose freedom of belief even if that belief promotes intolerance and biggotry
over human growth and development
TheReaITooney 1 year ago
@TheReaITooney, what would you have us choose instead? Laws against belief itself? Somehow I think that would be more detrimental to human growth and development than the presence of oppressive systems of religious thought.
NoAntecessor 1 year ago
@NoAntecessor Oppressive systems are also called that by people who enjoy to commit crimes such as child molestation, murder, and so on. Why are they punished? Are they not oppressed to do what they want?
These things are ended through laws. If religions are cults and we continue to let them commit crimes, should they not be brought to justice under the idea that they'd be oppressed?
Lets look at human benefits, society and growth vs freedoms for ignorance
TheReaITooney 1 year ago
@TheReaITooney, we're discussing laws against beliefs, not actions. To compare legislation against belief with legislation against child molestation is a false analogy. I personally believe that a society that banned thought, of any type, would be far less healthy than a society that allows flawed systems of belief like religion, and I think it's loathsome that you'd strive for such.
NoAntecessor 1 year ago
race traitor!
oldhacks 1 year ago
"we could reduce any islamic country to ash"
well that's all fine and dandy, but there's just one little problem: we are fighting NON-STATE enemies in the middle east.
migkillertwo 1 year ago
Do you think Thunderf00t is pretentious?
happydeath20 1 year ago
What about when the leaders of Islamic states, state over and over again that they are speaking on behalf of Islam? When they kill people in the name of Islam? When they treat women as 2nd class citizens in the name of Islam? They get protection from this thinking. They get to play a religion, a minority, a political system whatever, and whenver each view serves them best.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 How about the Imam at Park51, who believes that the US constitution is the ideal form of Sharia? How about the fact that there are jewish and Christian prayer spaces as well as a muslim one? They don't get that protection you speak of. Not here. And has it ever occured to you that many of these Muslims that are coming here are fleeing from the same tyranny you describe?
Anghellik9 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 I am not getting your point.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 What's not to get when I say that many muslims that live in this country are actually fleeing a tyrannical government?
Anghellik9 1 year ago
@Anghellik9 That part I actually did understand, it's the rest of the post that I can't understand. I am quite sure some of the Muslims in the west have come because they hate tyranny and they want freedom from oppressive theocracies.
christo930 1 year ago
@christo930 I was referring to the Imam of Park51, which is what all this drama is about in the first place.
Anghellik9 1 year ago
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@Anghellik9 How about the Imam at Park51, who believes that the US constitution is the ideal form of Sharia?
I don't recall comparing the US constitution to a form of Sharia. Multiple prayer rooms? So what. I am talking about Islamic leaders of foreign nations who act in the name of Islam. That is the frustrating part.
christo930 1 year ago
{"They're not the ones lecturing here, I am"}
That's just the problem isn't it?
There's no shortage of white, middle class intellectual, males, to tell us all about the 'moderate muslim' perspective; But precious few moderate muslims giving their own narrative. Virtually nothing, from the so called moderate voice, acknowledging the need for Islamic reforms.
6Untitled9 1 year ago
@monco66 Look at every Islamic run country, look at how barbaric they are, how Muslims seem to always resort to violence when offended. Look at how many movies there are criticizing Christianity, but 1 movie about Islam and the guy who made it gets stabbed like 20 times on the street.
Cartoons with Jesus are made all the time, but 1 cartoon with Muhammad and there's riots and death threats.
It's not rhetoric when the example is proven in every case. This is what Islam teaches at it's core
squirreljester2 1 year ago
@squirreljester2
Funny seeing as the Caliphate was one of the most advanced civilizations ever as was the Ottoman empire.
Most of the reasons why the middle east is in the state it is is because of the brutality of colonialism
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
@squirreljester2
My mate Faisal's a Muslim. He doesn't resort to violence when offended. Or, indeed, feel inclined to stab anyone after watching Four Lions. Funnily enough, he knows the difference between those who take the piss out of extremists, and pompous cockends like you. You know, the type of berk who thinks a sweeping condemnation of over a billion people not only makes sense, but actually qualifies as insight. Don't worry, though - he won't stab you either, he'll just call you a cunt.
monco66 1 year ago
@monco66 So he is a moderate, and I have no problem with that. How often does he speak out against the extremists of his religion? Do you? I know I do every chance I get.
What is berk? And wow, I don't think I've ever, in my entire life, been referred to as a "pompous cockend" (cockhead maybe?), and I'm amazed that you could even think that my comment comes off like that.
I was simply stating historical facts with things that have happened in the last few years, like the cartoon.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
@squirreljester2
Of course he does! Do you want him to send a signed condemnation of extremists to you? Will that prove Muslims aren't all murderously hypersensitive, barbaric throwbacks, or silently complicit? Why not search for 'Mumbai Muslim protests'. That'll show Muslims speaking out against extremism. What will it take to convince a paranoid, psychotic prat like you that Islam isn't out to destroy the West and freedom of expression? Cockend. Use your imagination to work that out.
monco66 1 year ago
@monco66 Psychotic prat like me? You're the one calling me names and flying off the handle. Sharia Law in the Koran is biggoted, hateful, sexist, violent, terrible, and when extremists use those laws to run a society, THAT kind of thing I am against.
I know there is no possible way "Islam will take over the west", but when I have the real possibility for losing my life, in my own country, if I make a movie criticizing Islam, you can't deny that those teachings are of hate and violence.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
@squirreljester2
Just thank your lucky stars you don't have the talent or wherewithall to make a movie criticising anything. No Muslim stabbings for you. Prove me wrong. Become the next big film polemicist. The Michael Moore of Islamophobes, if you will.
More likely, you'll just continue spouting vile shite on YT, and provide endless fodder for people like me, who need to let off steam once in a while. Believe me, you provide a valuable service.
monco66 1 year ago
@monco66 Naaa, it's safer to just wait for the next cartoon or the next movie, and see what happens to that person. Wanna take bets?
It's funny that you think I don't have the talent to make a movie when you know nothing about me, very arrogant of you my friend.
How stating facts vile? A fact is a fact, you can't argue with written words, or the repeated and predictable actions of the extremists. It's an interpretation of words IN the book, and it wouldn't exist if it wasn't in the book.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
@squirreljester2 Well, if we are to assume that written evidence should be taken at face value, the following should be considered indisputably true. You are a total, useless cunt. Really. A complete cunt. Now go make a movie. Show a mastery of montage that would make Eisenstein weep. I welcome people who exceed my misanthropic view of the world. I'm just afraid that you'll just confirm it. Cunt.
monco66 1 year ago
@monco66 You keep using that word, I do not think it means what you think it means.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
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@monco66 So he is a moderate, and I have no problem with that. How often does he speak out against the extremists of his religion? Do you? I know I do every chance I get.
What is berk? And wow, I don't think I've ever, in my entire life, been referred to as a "pompous cockend" (cockhead maybe?), and I'm amazed that you could even think that my comment comes off like that.
I was simply stating historical facts with things that have happened in the last few years, like the cartoon.
squirreljester2 1 year ago
I subbed
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
We all non-muslims are going to burn in hell forever. We will die and live forever in a horrific punishment.
This is only because we do not believe in the Qur'an.
edbenmar 1 year ago
@edbenmar
um no what gave you that impression
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
@Skinnyoompalumpa The holy book Qur'an perhaps?? It clearly states in basicly half the book that all unbelieves await a eternal punishment. Because god only reward the truthfull. So It's not just an "impression". It's what the book says!
And as far as I know the muslims believe in the Qur'an.
edbenmar 1 year ago
@edbenmar
I asked my Inam he said that if you truley are a good person God will absolve you and you get to go to heavan. Maybe you should actually get to know Muslims before you fling wild accusations
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
@Skinnyoompalumpa These are not just "wild accusations" these are the words from god, as spoken from the holy book Qur'an.
I don't care what your inam says, he defy the book, therefor the is the worst of kind according to Qur'an. A believer that pick and chose is the worst of kind and they await a horrible punishment. I just read this yesterday.
Just accept the fact that the book is morbid and cruel against non-believers.
For it clearly states that. End of Discussion. Thanks
edbenmar 1 year ago
@edbenmar
Chapter and verse
You're bible has the same shit Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
@Skinnyoompalumpa Thank you for indirekt accepting my argument.
And FYI I am an atheist that believe in evolution and I am anti-theism.
It's not my book and the bible has the same "shit" yes. I agree.
Have a nice day.
edbenmar 1 year ago
@edbenmar
Lol Anti-theists-
Biggest buncha ignorant pricks out there
And FYI learn to spell.
Skinnyoompalumpa 1 year ago
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@00ismaeL001 "Jews are actually descendant from one people."
WRONG!!
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms "Would 9/11 have his blessing? I think most muslims think so"
YOu have already been debunked on this one, but I get the impression facts wont sway this opinion one way or another
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
@AsheIsTheRaven I
I'm not sure I have been debunked. Allah says himself that he wants to annihilate the disbelievers and uses muslims to do it. Allah is no stranger to terror, it is his number one game. Should one not expect muslims to know that? I know they will deny it but that's what the Quran says so that's what that bastard Allah is like. If many so called muslims don't agree then maybe they are not real muslims after all since they are worshiping another god than the one in the Quran?
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms I don't care what Allah says. Yaweh says exactly the same thng, so does Jesus himself. Are you saying Every Christian would agree with the nuking of an entire nation certain sections of their book because God calls for Armageddon? But of Course Christianity is all innocence and life, and is ful of moderates isn't it? No such thing as a moderate Muslim right?
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
@AsheIsTheRaven No they dont... Ah I see you are only out to say that "all religions are just as bad" to make excuses for islam... I see.
Hmm.. nope, I'm not buying it.
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms "Hmm.. nope, I'm not buying it."
Oh I see, so Americans supporting the execution of Gays in Uganda, bombing abortion clinics or calling for the nuking of other countries is not extreme. Oh okay then. Bigots don't pay attention to facts, just what they want to hear
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
@AsheIsTheRaven What's this talk about "americans" all of a sudden, I though we area discussing religion... Oh, I guess you are a big "anti-capitalist" too right? Your agenda shines through little communist.
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms Once again people like you move the goal posts. I said "American Christians" you moron, you know that country you think is so full of more moderate religious nuts. And it's amazing how you equate pointing out the flaw in your argument as both an agenda and akin to communism. what did anything I had to say have to do with capitalism. Oh wait your one of those aren't you? A red neck American fascist, lol. You do McCarthy Proud
AsheIsTheRaven 1 year ago
What about the incongruency of muslim belief vs non muslims. People always say we don't want to offend 1 billion plus people. What about the 5 billion plus non muslims. Also we have hyper mosques being built in France, England, and now the USA, whilst we have one Church in all of Saudi Arabia. Moreover, the Muslim demographic is exploding in Europe, read Mark Steyn's "America Alone" to find the real numbers. Liberal "tolerance" sounds alarmingly like Neville Chamberlainism.
polutc 1 year ago 4
@polutc I didn't argue against offending any people. And, who's "we" who have a church in Saudi Arabia?
You think it's akin to appeasing Nazi Germany to let Muslims lawfully practice their religion and avoid using illegitimate generalizations of them? That's ridiculous.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 7
@polutc Mark Steyn is the poor mans Geert Wilders though. His bullshits been throughly debunked very easily.
ProgressiveAudio 1 year ago
i hate muslims should have nuked afghanistan
bluballzzz 1 year ago
Straightd0pe: Winning since 2009.
Aurelian603 1 year ago
@GhostofAWR Any more 4chan catchphrases you want to spout? I think I saw a number back there that was over 9000.
If you don't want to take the Muslim threat seriously, then go jack off to dickgirls.(while you can, because I doubt they're allowed under Sharia law)
DanMickie 1 year ago
@DanMickie Cool story bro.
BigAlUpdates 1 year ago
@BigAlUpdates u mad?
DanMickie 1 year ago
@straightd0pe Do you think that he's criticizing Muslims because their inherent superstitious beliefs is a result of their skin color and/or genetic predisposition, or because he genuinely believes that Muslims are Muslims because they are uneducated and that he's actually making a less crystallized argument against the middle east's inability or seeming unwillingness to tell their people that there's no such thing as a desert god who encourages violent, discriminatory, and sexist behavior?
ebingen 1 year ago
So, atheist attack dog straitdope turns out to be a Muslimist, big surprise.
I guess it wouldn't matter to you if we had Sharia law and women were outlawed, would it? You'd probably be happy if you didn't have to look at attractive women, because they remind you what a loser you are.
DanMickie 1 year ago
@DanMickie Please define "Muslimist" for me.
straightd0pe 1 year ago
@straightd0pe Muslimist (v): 1. Pussy liberal who bends over backwards to appease Muslims because he's afraid of the stern talking-to he'd get from Keith Olberman if he didn't.
2. You
3. Ugly man who's intimidated by attractive women and would prefer that they're covered up with a tarp and forbidden to speak.
4. Brainwashed follower of Barack HUSSAIN Obama.
5. That's it, there's only 4.
DanMickie 1 year ago
@DanMickie You sound like thefriendlygeek.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 3
@straightd0pe I don't know who that is, but I can assure you I'm neither friendly nor a geek. I'm the real fucking deal.
Now, I know you think you're hot shit, but you better back the fuck up before you get smacked the fuck up. Delete this video and make a new one supporting "Burn the Koran day".
DanMickie 1 year ago
@DanMickie When it comes to ignorant shitheads, you're the real deal.
straightd0pe 1 year ago 10
@straightd0pe So be it, you had your chance to avoid this...
Don't be surprised if you see a "Straight dope on straightd0pe" video in the near future.
DanMickie 1 year ago
@DanMickie Cool.
straightd0pe 1 year ago
@DanMickie
"Muslimist (v)"
LOL!!!!
If the bullshit you spouted in the first msg didn't already convince me that you were an ignorant sack of xenophobic American shit, then this certainly does. A verb?! Oh geez..... I really feel sorry for your education system, and all who are subjected to it.
kittycatbrat84 1 year ago
Whenever I watch a Thunderfoot video (which is rare these days), if he uses the words "Muslims" or "Islam", I replace it with "Jews" or "Judaism." This has an amazing way of making him sound like the fascist he truly is. As an anarchist (who is strongly opposed to fascism), I started tuning him out quite a while ago, because I don't think he realizes the damage he is doing to the atheist movement.
CleoTheSim 1 year ago
Generalization is wrong. Extremists do it all the time. We, intellectually responsible people should know better. Attack the retarded pillars (Sharia Law anyone?), not the idea as whole. Gradually deconstruct the bullshit.
mrh3h 1 year ago
but its true they do pray to an icon of discrimination, so wether they get offended or not they need to sort their fucking lives out.
prankmypants 1 year ago
I hear ya, but on this particular issue I'm not sure I agree. It is very clear in the doctrine of Islam (the koran) that it is the duty of all Muslims to propagate their religion to the point that everyone either converts, pays a tax, or dies. Sure, not all of them follow their religion in that regard, granted, but that is what they are supposed to do as dictated by the koran.
CMO999 1 year ago
I watched Thunderf00t as a lurker for nearly a year, I really liked his videos, but I have to say I'm losing respect for him. I respect his work on science and creationism but I've been bothered for awhile by the way he talks about Muslims. Muslims aren't all one homogeneous group, even in Islamic theocracies there are progressives they're just kept silent by the extremists who run their countries. When Christian Extremists ruled it was the dark ages, the threat isn't Islam it's fanaticism.
GodlessInfinity 1 year ago
@GhostofAWR
Ok but ideologies do influence people's behavior. I don't think that statements should be made to promote some kind of equality of all religions for the sake of fairness. It is absurd to do that with political ideologies and religious ideologies are really no different.
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms
Actually, political ideologies and religious beliefs can be very different. Political ideologies are about calling people to action while the other is calling to their faith.
ChelseaHysteria 1 year ago
@ChelseaHysteria
That is just bullshit, just look at all the laws and rules of islam and you will see the fallacy of that. The believers are supposed to do what their god tells them.
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms
Political ideologies do not explain where we come from or how the world was created. They explain why we have conflict, what human nature is on a basic level, a lens though which you view the world. They do not get involved with the super natural. Religions can be influenced by political ideologies and can be used as vehicles for their agenda. However, they are NOT the same.
ChelseaHysteria 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms
But the majority of them don't! This is what I don't understand. It's just like what the Bible tells Christians to do, however YOU know that the majority of Christians do not stone heathens and sell off their daughters in marriage against their will, however you're getting more up in arms about the Islamic faith than the Christian.
ChelseaHysteria 1 year ago
@ChelseaHysteria
That is becasue hypocrisy is a major cornerstone in most religions.
CreativeFreedoms 1 year ago
@CreativeFreedoms
Yeah! And I agree with you! Hence why I'm an atheist, and hence why you are.
ChelseaHysteria 1 year ago
My love for this video knows no bounds.
ChelseaHysteria 1 year ago
Actually, people would talk less of "Islam this" and "islam that" if muslims didn't try to portray themselves as some united front whenever faced with perceived offense or threat. Muslims even try to lie about not being a fractured religion, at least the proselytizing ones.
ProgressiveAudio 1 year ago