Effectively they Pissed on the Graves of every Patriot ever died for our Freedoms, Wiped their Asses with Our US Constitution and handed it to God. Treason is punishable by death. How sad that WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOW FORCED TO CONSTRUCT CASKETS for our top level Government officials. THEY CAN NOT BE BURIED IN SAME CEMETERIES AS THE PATRIOTS THEY PISSED ON! I suggest we watch our highest levels of Government and all those chicken shits who participated swim last mile to Antarctica.
Where were the Pro-Impeachment people years ago? Seriously, why is it that now, when President 'Moron' Bush has only a few months left in office that the people crying "Impeach!" come pouring out of the woodwork?
A year ago, a whisper of 'impeach' was announced here and there, but never became anything. Now, every day as I drive to work, I have people standing on street corners voting for impeachment. Here's a tip: If you wanted to make a difference in this, you should have done it sooner.
Politicians go negative because it works. It works because there are lots of people out there like you. Let's take WMD. 1. 500 chemical artillery rounds were found, left over from the Iran-Iraq War. 2. There is evidence Saddam shipped stuff to Syria right before the attack. 3. WMD was not the only reason given, if you can read, go back and read state of the union addresses. 4. The political ploy is called "framing the discussion". It works well. Some people will say and do anything to win.
it is so sad that the dems have no balls for justis, maybe jackson has been running around cutting them off, i don't know, but when Bill Clinton, an excelent president gets impeach for getting a hummer, and Bush commits untold high crimes, and shits on the constitution, what is the country comming to? our for fathers, or what is left of them, are spinning in there graves.. grow some would you.
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If we as individuals are accountable for our actions, and if we seriously phuck up, can expect a trial, to be judged by our peers, and if guilty, a nonstop ticket to jail. Why should OUR elected leaders be held any less accountable? Where does the buck stop when orders are given?
The time is now for impeachment. Clarify the waters BEFORE the next administration takes office, so they know right from the get-go who they work for, and will follow our own, as well as international laws.
Wolfie:If we as individuals are accountable for our actions, and if we seriously phuck up, can expect a trial, to be judged by our peers, and if guilty, a nonstop ticket to jail. Why should OUR elected leaders be held any less accountable?
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Because the Supreme Court has ruled that the President enjoys unconditional immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts.
Wolfie: The time is now for impeachment. Clarify the waters BEFORE the next administration takes office, so they know right from the get-go who they work for, and will follow our own, as well as international laws.
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You do know, don't you, that the President has the power to pardon himself of any crimes? It is a constitutional power and the majority of constitutional scholars say he can pardon himself.
Waste of effort - it's all a distraction to hide the puppet masters' real activity for global control. Presidents are just fall guys for the Global Elite. Take a look at Obama's logo: Eye of the Illuminati. Change? LOL! Nothing will change until all the Gov faces the wrath of the Constitution - forced by the rise of the people. Screw all this "war crimes" BS, just more subterfuge. The Gov all should all face charges of violating the US Constitution, that's the core issue!
Where can I find an example of the "other logo" that you think Obama uses which has Illuminati symbolism? I think you're delusional, Kendi.
I sense that some people want us to despair of ever having a decent government so that we will rise up in armed revolution, supposedly to take back our government. but there is a white nationalist undercurrent at work in that. If we can't get Bush impeached, maybe President Obama can have him investigated and dealt with as appropriate.
President Obama? LOL! Impeaching Bush will change NOTHING! Mr, you forget history and you're blind to the arrogant trickery of those pulling the strings; You cling to the pathetic notion that Gov is the answer - it is NOT. You're the classic good little pleb - your banter is like the aphonic sound of sheep.
What logo? You're quite the lazy eyed pleb as well.
Lefty: If we can't get Bush impeached, maybe President Obama can have him investigated and dealt with as appropriate.
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Obama will not do that. It would be too dangerous for him, because he would be setting a precedent for the person who comes after him. It is a very bad idea -- it makes it necessary for the President to hold on to power by whatever means he can.
It may seem dangerous, but only to an unfit president. It would mean an end to walking away immune to accountability. All Obama would have to do to cover his own ass is not commit war crimes.
Lefty: It may seem dangerous, but only to an unfit president. It would mean an end to walking away immune to accountability. All Obama would have to do to cover his own ass is not commit war crimes.
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This is simply silly. EVERY President who has ANY military adventures overseas "commits" the "war crimes" that Bush has committed. They ALL do it. It is part of being a war leader. And every one of them has been accused.
You are trying to overturn the constitution. VERY BAD.
That is a good argument, but when we don't take the steps needed to keep the checks and balances in place we become a kingdom and not the democracy we are supost to be. When a president knows that he can do as he wants because of the fear that the next president won't get away with crimes we have a hugh problem. Are we a nation of pussys? I hope not. I believe we should hold them all accountable, Vote them all out, if needed, but we must hold them accountable.
littledogs1:we don't take the steps needed to keep the checks and balances in place we become a kingdom and not the democracy we are supost to be.
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That is not exactly so. First of all, it is not the people who administer the checks and balances but rather the arms of the government. The people do not exercise checks and balances control. Second, we would not be a kingdom. We might be a oligarchy, but not a monarchy.
littledogs1:I believe we should hold them all accountable, Vote them all out, if needed, but we must hold them accountable.
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Other than the supreme court, they are all held accountable. Representatives every 2 years, Presidents every 4 years and Senators rotate around 6 years.
A republic is a subgroup of a democracy, just like my country is a constitutional monarchy, but still a democracy. If the people can vote regularly and freely about who is in charge, it's a democracy.
Had you scrolled down two lines you would have seen that I now have a better understanding of the american political system. I made that comment a few months ago.
Until "White/Anglo America" get behind this Impeachment initiative of Kuchinish, it will never happen. That means that the NASCAR crowd, "blue collar workers", townies of West VA.and "Yuppies" must all march in the streets for the prosecution. This will not happen. NIMBY is an American disease.
It isn't even about whether it was wrong or right michael, it is that he LIED. They LIED. They documented their LIE - there is proof of their LIE and they need to be held accountable for their LIE.
It s called unethical, unconstitutional, and an abuse of power. Period. End of argument.
If Bush and his Zionist buddies are innocent - Let a US court of LAW PROVE IT - rather than just Pardoning himself and all the crooks that made millions off this occupation - and it was an occupation, not a war.
There are some things that I will criticize Bush for, but not about the war in Iraq. Also, you can't call for impeachment just because you disagree with his foreign policy. Now, Bush may have discussed about WMD. Let me explain. 1. Bush is not a good speaker 2. He doesn't explain things well. Those 2 things are why he did not stand up for himself. If he did discusss weapons, he only did it because people like you wanted to hear it. Many People give what they want to believe, I give the facts.
Bush did not lie about WMD, democrats did. Why else don't think that they are calling for his impeachment? The democrats lied because they hate Bush just because he was so popular and they think that they should ruin the fun for everyone. I will keep posting this until enough of the country that I love (U.S.A.) believes me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, just stop right there all of you. I am telling the truth that it was the democrats. Go look it up if you don't believe.
No one likes war you idiots. George W. Bush hates war, John McCain hates war, Fred Thompson hates war, but that does not mean that you have to be against it. The war in Iraq was justified and there are plenty of people out there who also agree that it was the right thing to do (they hate war just as much as all of you do). I hate war too, but believe that it was right to go in. You can't always do what want, you've gotta do what's right.
MJ2000: I hate war too, but believe that it was right to go in. You can't always do what want, you've gotta do what's right.
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I was never sure it was a good idea to conduct that war, but now that it is a done deal, if we abandon that area too quickly it will be much worse. People will have died in vain and more people will die in violence.
Repress: are you actually saying the US should ignore Iraq's wishes? Is Iraq sovereign or not?
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Not at all. What I actually said was : "if we abandon that area too quickly it will be much worse. People will have died in vain and more people will die in violence."
That is a very different statement than "the US should ignore Iraq's wishes?"
To answer your second question, Iraq is nominally but increasingly sovereign.
bush! Lmao! he is so friggin gsu! i friggin hate him! u know what he just did he made an enviromental mistake he let a couple of laws pass that would take at least up to 10 years to clean up. I friggin hate bush so much! we dont need another republican in office,. Dont you see what bush has done! hes the one who let uds go into war and made our people die.
WTF! BUSH should't have never been elected the first time, but of course "We the people", didn't elect him the USSC handed him the keys to the White House. Bush, shouldn't have goten a second term in the oval office, but he did, cause you all bought into his lies. I didn't!!!
Impeach BUSH? Oh HELL YEAH !!! But it wont do any good, It's too little, too late... but sign me up just the same! I'd pay money to stand in line just to see it. Then wait some more to kick him a few times in the face.
Ben: BUSH should't have never been elected the first time, but of course "We the people", didn't elect him the USSC handed him the keys to the White House.
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That is a popular misconception. In fact, he won by a majority of the electorial college vote.
Of course it will do some good it will show the democraps have grown a set and it will show all the neocons that they will not get away with their crimes. Put that fraggin NWO stooge in jail!
..and remember-WE THE PEOPLE of the United States will PROTECT OUR LIBERTY by our Declaration of Independence and OUR Constitution.And YOU, the CONGRESS-Each time you TAX, TAKE and WASTE the $ that WE EARN our liberty is stripped little by little. By the Constitution, your power is limited, while the PEOPLE on the other hand - are guarenteed liberty and the power to over-throw your ass out of rule. Look it up, it's written by our forefathers. Just resign Kucinich, you've done enough damage
I THINK WE SHOULD IMPEACH CONGRESS - they are the real enemy. Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi and hacks like Dennis Kucinich. Congress is responsible for the actions of government as much as the President. And they have RUINED the economy, FAILED us on illegal immigration and the list goes on and on and on. Wasting our money to impeach on no grounds by the Constitution of our Republic. GET BACK TO WORK KUCINICH.. it's your LAST term sucker. The AMERICAN people will speak and confirm your a fool.
Im not a Republican. But I can tell you that it is AGAINST the Constitution blatently that illegal immigrants are franchised and allowed to vote and this is being perpletrated by the left. In one voting district alone, over 3% of the people CALLED FOR JURY DUTY were disqualified because they were found 2b illgl immgrnts. Congerss MUST focus on this instead of these Stalinist show trials! We demand law and REPRESENTATION! This hurts our Republic. PS-NEWS FLASH-Bush isnt running for President..
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No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. They learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it may take a thousand years, we will be *free*.
Power: No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever.
When you say "forever" you are certainly right, because human beings will not exist "forever", but if, by forever, you mean some long time that may extend past a person's lifetime, then a dictator or an invader can and have held an imprisoned population by force for ages.
If you are content to wait 1000 years then perhaps you are right, but most people think in closer terms than that.
PowerandPerception: Most people usually do. Lets hope it happens it your lifetime :)
Well, fortunately I am not subject to any dictatorial powers. But there are people around the world who are. I have a positive feeling about events around the world: democracy, free-enterprise and capitalism are definitely on the march!
PowerAndPerception, you're being WORSE than pessimistic, you're being irrational and destructive when you argue against signing this petition. You live in the UK and apparently don't understand the situation here. Bush is one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time and those that disagree are in overwhelming numbers. This is a petition to impeach. It is written into our Constitution that we have a right to petition our government for a redress of grievances. What you are doing is the worst.
Please don't say that a person from the UK "apparently don't understand the situation here". Because a person doesn't agree with your opinions doesn't make them wrong.
I knew my comment would be unpopular. But I never expected to be called irrational and destructive.
I understand the situation very well and fully support what you are trying to do.
However, I do not trust what those people will do with that list of names. But should I trust them? Am I really being so pessimistic? Considering what they have done?
"What I am doing is the worst."
All I'm doing is asking you to be careful... and at the very least, think.
Power&perception:I think there is something slightly foolish in the act of giving them a list of names of people who disagree with them. But maybe I'm pessimistic.
Actually I think that there is something slightly foolish about giving ALL of your personal contact information to the COMMITTEE TO REELECT CUCINICH. That is who is collecting the petition data.
You are not being pessimistic. Your correct. "Respress" indicates that you are from the UK and because of that you don't understand. My friends in the UK have a much better understanding of our politics than many people from the USA.
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The only thing he got right was the fact that congressman and senators trip over crime everyday. IT IS USUALLY THEIR OWN CRIME. Mr Kucinich is using this party line distraction to divert attention away from the fact that Congress in the past 2-4-6-8 yrs. has done nothing except sit on their fat ass and complain while oil prices were going up and up. They are so in bed with the GREENIES they wouldn't dare take a leak behind a tree. STOP THE SHIT AND GET ON WITH THE REAL BUSINESS OF THE PEOPLE.
didyoulisiten, what the hell are you talking about? Bush committed crimes and the Democratic leadership and the Republicans are refusing to uphold the rule of law.
Reppress:Bush committed crimes and the Democratic leadership and the Republicans are refusing to uphold the rule of law.
Consider this: Congress is full of laywers and Democrats. The reason they have not taken steps is that they do not believe laws were broken (or at least to a level that requires any action.)
They probably know more about such things than you do... AND they are actually the deciders of what is impeachable.
Thank you, DURound, for this comment. It is absolutely true. Congress will not take action for the reasons you have stated. They also will not take action because they are very close to their re-election and do not want to "waste their valuable time".
"Reppress" isn't explaining that impeachment is only the first step of involuntary removal of the President. Convection is the second part which takes more time. Bill Clinton was impeached but not convected.
It's a crime to take a leak behind a tree in a city. Complaining when bad things happen is what congress is supposed to do. Oil prices go up because of something called FREE MARKETS. If you want to complain about them going up, you should become a SOCIALIST. Greenies vote for democrats, because democrats are most like greenies. Democrats have the majority in congress, so the congress acts democrat-like. If you want to complain about that, you should start a DICTATORSHIP.
Please also consider signing the FORMAL Petitions for Redress (of Constitutional grievances) concerning the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, & other CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS (which are not mere matters of "public policy") at:
w ww.givemeliberty.o rg/revolution
All 535 Congressmen and the President were legally process-served with the Petitions personally by their respective constitutents in their district offices across the U.S. on Monday, June 30th. They have 40 days to respond.
A FORMAL First Amendment petition is a legal notice and demand. Each petition consists of a series of interogatories. Do you have any awareness of the history of the almost forgotten Right-to-Petition? At one in time in this Country, it was very commonplace. The U.S. Supreme Court has NEVER interpreted the Petition Clause of the First Amendment and in January of 2008, refused its first invitation to do so. SCOTUS defied its very own precedent and its primary duty to interpret the Constitution.
Refusing their primary duty to interpret the Constitution is legally known as Constitutional TREASON. The 40 day time limit was derived from the Magna Carta of 1215 AD which forms the fundamental basis for our entire legal system and the Right-to-Petition. In the Magna Carta it states that the King and his family's property and possessions may be rightfully, justifiably, and lawfully assailed by the People if they do not respond to the People's grievances within 40 days, saving only their lives.
KobyBrandt:A FORMAL First Amendment petition is a legal notice and demand.
Uhh, Koby, There is no lack of awareness. You are spouting things that are boring and useless, except for the last statement which is nonsensical and ridiculous.
"And if we shall not have corrected the transgression...within forty days, reckoning from the time it has been intimated to us...the community of the whole realm, distrain and distress us in all possible ways, namely, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, and in any other way they can, until redress has been obtained as they deem fit, saving harmless our own person, and the persons of our queen and children."
The historical significance of the Magna Carta was encapsulated in the last ten words of the First Amendment. The Founders were very aware of the Magna Carta. You can find the complete historical record here:
Your comments are spam. So you believe that the historical record of the fundamental basis of "rule by Constitutional law", common law, & Constitutional petitioning in its various forms (including petitioning the Courts via lawsuit) is irrelevant, eh? I suppose you believe the Right of Habeas Corpus is irrelevant too? The Magna Carta is one of the most significant & treasured documents ever conceived. It marked the beginning of the end of feudalism, & provided the basis for the renaissance.
Koby gets irrelevant: So you believe that the historical record of the fundamental basis of law is irrelevant, eh?
It is here.. and it is relative to ANY discussion going on here. You apparently REALLY want to discuss the Magna Carta, even when its off topic. Pathological.
Go to a History Channel chat room. I'm sure you can find people to chant to there who will chant back.
Or you could go to a science room and rant about how wet water is. Same sort of deal. Really bland and useless.
Well, I see these no shortage of ignoramuses here on U2B. You obviously have no concept of what the hell you're talking about. Here, we're talking about the impeachment of a President and the rule of law as it applies to our government. So how is a discussion of the rule of law "off toopic"?
You appear to be extraordinarily bland & useless; & more than mildly pathological. So go run off & play with yourself little troll. I won't waste any more of my valuable time with such an obvious idiot.
KobyBrandt asks:Here, we're talking about the impeachment of a President and the rule of law as it applies to our government. So how is a discussion of the rule of law "off toopic"?
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First of all, you are not talking about the rule of law as it applies to our government. You are talking about the Magna Carta-- which has been superceded. Second, you are raising issues (right to petition) that NO ONE questions. Its like you want to debate the smell of the color blue. Idiotic.
DURound: You repeatedly claim that GWB is un-impeachable becasue he has not broken any laws. Under International Law, the pre-emptive strikes.
The administration of President George W. Bush on March 16, 2006, unveiled its second National Security Strategy of the United States of America (NSS). While the NSS states a preference for non-military measures, like the September 2002 version, the new NSS explicitly includes a preemptive war doctrine.
DURound: You claim that the use of torture is legal and the Geneva convention does not apply because those detained have not been classified as prisoners of war by the executive. Yet this is a self proclaimed war on terror, if it is a war, then the pre-existing laws relating to the treatment of detainees should apply, as is being born out by recent judicial decisions.
Pondman:You claim that the use of torture is legal and the Geneva convention does not apply because those detained have not been classified as prisoners of war
You have me confused with someone else. I have never said that.
DURound: The administration that you appear to be defending, has repeatedly refused to give evidence under oath claiming executive privelege and given its subsequent actions should have been sufficient to remove the powers and recind the laws it has deviously implemented, especially of those that have been aimed and used against its own citizens.
Personally, I would call for a vote, by the people for a vote of no confidence now and immediately remove presidential power.
Last week, an Iranian military official told reporters Israel and the United States "would not dare" attack Iran since it could strike back anywhere in Israel and against U.S. military installations in the Middle East with its latest missiles, including the Shehab-3 medium-range ballistic missile, which experts say is capable of striking Israel or U.S. bases in the Gulf
ibanezman1007, SO WHAT!?! You think anyone should say, "if you attack me I will just do nothing?" Are you for real? What do you think anyone should do when they are continually threatened with force? Yes, a country is saying that if you dare attack them, they will strike back. Are you really so brainwashed that you don't see that as a totally normal REACTION?
benzanman, this whole world is fuked up, everyone in america kisses israel's ass, and if anyone says shit about them like ahmadinejad, that country gets demonized. So if china said it wants to destroy, the government would start to push war with china just for israel, this iraq war was for israel, our 30billion dollars a year goes to the fuckers in israel.
Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated Iran's goal of "wiping Israel off the map." Speaking at a conference of visiting heads of Arab terrorist groups operating in areas under Palestinian Authority control, Ahmadinejad said, "Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated."
disturbedNBK. As long as no nukes fly, I say let them fight it out. My point is this. Do you know what the consequences on the entire world would be if several nukes were launched? If they want to fight it out toe to toe, without chemical biological warfare,or nukes, I say let them go at it.
Every single politican kisses israel's ass. They are our enemies not our friends, the money we give to them each year can used for charitys and fix up the hurricanes or reduce our taxes. ISRAEL IS FUCKING UP AMERICA, THATS WHAT I GOTTA SAY.
Fila...you may be right. I don't know what to say anymore. I worked with Israel officers in desert storm. They taught our officers a great deal about desert warfare. They were kind, and respectful. Isreal also sat on their hands and took several Scuds from Saddam becuse we asked them not to get involved. We don't kiss their asses. I can't debate this subject anymore, draw your conclusions, just as long as iran doesn't launch a nuke I could care less anymore. Thats all I want. No nukes.
Ibanezman1007, the reporter distorts the very quote you have there. THIS IS NOT "IRAN THREATENING ISRAEL": "Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated."
It is so dishonest to insist that that sentence says Iran is threatening to attack Israel. Such sickmindedness is simply manufacturing a pretext for Israel to attack Iran. It is transparent.
The threatening exchanges between Iran and Israel have intensified since 2005, when Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Israel will one day be "wiped off the map." The Iranian leader has also alleged that the Holocaust was a "myth."
Ibanezman1007, you don't seem to grasp this: the media is lying to you. I showed you that when you look at the source material you see that no such threat has been made. You just keep posing dishonest reporter's interpretations.
Do you honestly not understand what was done in the Wallace interview?
Since the media lies, therefore your sources lie. I'll just be glad when this nuclear shit is over with. It needs to be resolved. Thats all I want. The word nuclear scares me just a little bit...sorry.
Ibanezman1007, the media is scaring you. the issue is Iran's civilian nuclear power plants yet the media almost never makes that clear. The almost always make it vague by saying something like "nuclear program" so viewers may think what is being discussed is a nuclear weapons program.
I sure hope so representativepress. Trust me, that would be the last thing the world would want. Take care. If the media is trying to scare me, it works. Peace out.
I would suggest you add to the video that it has been edited. Mr. Turleys comments were not presented in one continuous conversation. You take information that has value but "cheapen" it's value by not disclosing the edit.
Though I think you are wrong and wrong-headed, I believe you work hard to be a person of integrity.
Even though I disagree with you in a profound way and consider your views to be wild and dumb -- and possibly rooted in anti-semitism, I nevertheless respect efforts at integrity.
"Though I think you are wrong and wrong-headed, I believe you work hard to be a person of integrity. ... respect efforts at integrity.
And I wish you further success in that effort."
Did you ever consider that since I am a person of integrity, I have done the research and I am pointing out the facts? Too many people. are so stubborn that they refuse to admit the facts.
RepPress: Did you ever consider that since I am a person of integrity, I have done the research and I am pointing out the facts? Too many people. are so stubborn that they refuse to admit the facts.
I would say that you strive to be a person of integrity (as many of us do). I would not say that you necessarily have a command of all of the facts.
DURound, I have supplied fact after fact and debunked claim after claim of yours. what do you want? Even the village idiot can sit with his arms crossed and say "nope," it doesn't make him right. Why do you create these barriers for yourself where you can't admit the facts clearly laid out before you?
Respress:I have supplied fact after fact and debunked claim after claim of yours.
Actually no.. you have never done that. Not once. In fact, it is I who have done that to you, yet you ignore it. You are the one acting out as the village idiot.
so thank you for saying you wish me success, hy not help me? Insisting "threats" were made by Iran is a horrible thing to do. You are paving way for deaths on a scale that could exceed anything humanity has ever seen. Why not join people with integrity and put a stop to this madness? Evil people are making excuse after excuse to start war after war, this has to end now.
DURound, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said that "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world, and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state." The media simply refuses to report that ans instead INVENTS threats. You have not provided a single proof to your claims, do you realize that?
Unfortunately, we all live on the same planet, and the US is one of the most powerful nations on earth.
Some of your nukes are placed inside my country. My country's economy is partially dependant on the US.
I know it wouldn't be fair for me to vote, because that would misrepresent the US population's opinion, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't like to vote, and regret it if i can't vote.
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"Those who forget the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them" If the congress was all fired up to impeach Clinton for lying about getting a "blow job", the congress really ought to impeach bush for giving us all a "snow job"!
Yep. Repugnicans are brain-dead/washed or wicked. If only Bush was not so Hitlerian and was randy, we could have set him up with some trashy whore long ago & had him impeached. Neocon values are so Orwellian, so absurd, that's all that counts to them
These 'tards are leading on to WW3. Russia, China, India & even much of Europe knows that sooner or later it is going to be war with the USA, unless the USA reforms itself. Quiet rearming is going on.
Republicans? Is that it? You don't care about Iraq. You don't care about war criminals. All you are is the saddest Obama supporter, or democrat in general for that matter that I've ever seen. And don't play with smart peoples words. WWIV is beyond your intelligence.
Good illustration of why kids should not be allowed on YouTube political vids... Please go back to "Darth Vader & Luke being rude assholes" and "Darth Vader being a smartass" and your other "Top Favorite" vids, kid.
Unlike the AmeriKKKan murdering fumbduck grunts, I don't make war on little kids. To you war & murder is a game. You don't understand that the Iraqis are like Americans (except kinder, smarter, wiser & culturally superior), not pixels on your screen.
Excuse my sarcasm,GurnSi. What I was trying to point out was this>Now, The attack on Kuwait by Iraq led to an agreement. In releasing Saddam, for war crimes, he agreed for U.N inspections and he refused. He was given months to comply. Face it bro, as peons such as ourselves, we will never get ALL the facts. As far as ww3..the only mention of nukes were hosted by Iran, directed towards Israel. I love that quote.."I'm not sure how WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be faught with sticks and stones"
Saddam did not refuse, he just played difficult, saving face as any dictator would. It was BUSH who told the IAEA/UNMOVIC guys to quit Iraq... C'mon. You know better. ALL the UNMOVIC/IAEA guys agreed, the US acted illegally.
Even arguing pragmatically (i.e. ignoring the wicked, evil & immoral nature of US policy), what the bonobo has done makes WW3 enormously more likely... in fact, probable, soon.
GurnSi, Bush should have stepped down years ago. Again, sorry for my sarcasm. To be a fly on the wall in the white house would be something else indeed. For any leadership of any nation for that matter. The world is pretty infected. Everything needs to be revamped. I agree, something is going to snap. Corruption is out of control. Good luck. And Lord help the world if nukes fly... (Or whatever you believe in). Later...Jeff
There's little "if". The USA has signalled to the ROW that it will, and has, invade any country on any pretext, giving 100 BS reasons for it. Presumably "it" wants WW3 sooner, while it is still militarily dominant.
Post 1940- at least Hitler was honest enough not to hide his invasions as anything other than what they were.
Do you think the ROW is just going to sit & wait for OUR TURN? No, that is why Iran is probably arming itself furiously - and others too... Madness, madness.
That is correct. It is a small "if". But I tell you this. The U.S will not nuke. Iran will launch on Israel. Thus, involving the start of nuclear war. Israel will fire back. Then, all hell will break loose. The U.S will not initiate a nuclear war. It hinges on Iran and their threat.
The worldwide televised threat that the Iranian leader are close to having the bomb, and will destroy Israel at first capability. I take him very serious.
About a year ago. He said he "we are close to nuclear capabilities, and will wipe Isreal off the face of the Earth at first capabilities". Forgive the exact date. Google it. It was on CNN. I am certian you heard his speech.
"About a year ago. He said he "we are close to nuclear capabilities, and will wipe Isreal off the face of the Earth at first capabilities". Forgive the exact date. Google it. It was on CNN. I am certian you heard his speech."
Gurnsi, the tool says:When exactly was this alleged threat issued?
On December 14, 2001, multiple sources, including the BBC and the Economist report that Rafsanjani called upon some Islamic Country to rise up and attack Israel with a Nuclear weapon. He said just one should be enough to destroy the country of israel.
Gurnsi wrote fuck the USA on my comment board. He knows damn well Israel was threatened by Iran with a nuclear strike. So much as one silo opens from Iran. I sent him threads, and all were disregarded. That crazy bastard will fire. No sense even debating with him. Waste of time. To DURound.
Thats a fact DURound. It amazes me that Gurnsi knows exactly what I am talking about with the repeated threats That Iran has threatened Israel with. Nobody was even speaking nuclear strikes until Iran got in there. Yet, in his world, we should disregard a severe threat with nukes. I can gaurentee you one thing, the U.S will never fire a nuke. That's why I insist it is up to Iran, if they want to go that route. Take care.
This is what I found: "If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world"
It isn't how you characterize it, is it? It is really talking about deterrence and NOT saying "go and attack"
You think that I characterized the speech incorrectly. I did not characterize it. I was using sources I trusted (BBC but not anti-cleric IPS).
A full transcript of the speech does not say "would" as though it might happen if they get nuclear weapsons but "will" as in it WILL happen if they get nuclear weapons.
I tried to post a link to this full transcript but I think YouTube objects.
Forget Bush, impeach the abomination! Remember, Socialism is a democrat transmitted disease.
anarqist 2 years ago
that last comment was to 3cn1ght
newcovertedchristian 3 years ago
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Wang17257 3 years ago
Lets stop this war. Ask the democrat congress and that NAZI Nancy Pelosi to stop this war. The Democrats are responsible for the length of this war.
RideZERO6866 3 years ago
no, george bush is
3cn1ght 3 years ago
no they both are
newcovertedchristian 3 years ago
Still zero movement to impeach bush.
DURound 3 years ago
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Effectively they Pissed on the Graves of every Patriot ever died for our Freedoms, Wiped their Asses with Our US Constitution and handed it to God. Treason is punishable by death. How sad that WE THE PEOPLE ARE NOW FORCED TO CONSTRUCT CASKETS for our top level Government officials. THEY CAN NOT BE BURIED IN SAME CEMETERIES AS THE PATRIOTS THEY PISSED ON! I suggest we watch our highest levels of Government and all those chicken shits who participated swim last mile to Antarctica.
thorsbond 3 years ago
Where were the Pro-Impeachment people years ago? Seriously, why is it that now, when President 'Moron' Bush has only a few months left in office that the people crying "Impeach!" come pouring out of the woodwork?
A year ago, a whisper of 'impeach' was announced here and there, but never became anything. Now, every day as I drive to work, I have people standing on street corners voting for impeachment. Here's a tip: If you wanted to make a difference in this, you should have done it sooner.
Makon001 3 years ago
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Politicians go negative because it works. It works because there are lots of people out there like you. Let's take WMD. 1. 500 chemical artillery rounds were found, left over from the Iran-Iraq War. 2. There is evidence Saddam shipped stuff to Syria right before the attack. 3. WMD was not the only reason given, if you can read, go back and read state of the union addresses. 4. The political ploy is called "framing the discussion". It works well. Some people will say and do anything to win.
michaeljackson200 3 years ago
it is so sad that the dems have no balls for justis, maybe jackson has been running around cutting them off, i don't know, but when Bill Clinton, an excelent president gets impeach for getting a hummer, and Bush commits untold high crimes, and shits on the constitution, what is the country comming to? our for fathers, or what is left of them, are spinning in there graves.. grow some would you.
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RobMonty248 3 years ago
If we as individuals are accountable for our actions, and if we seriously phuck up, can expect a trial, to be judged by our peers, and if guilty, a nonstop ticket to jail. Why should OUR elected leaders be held any less accountable? Where does the buck stop when orders are given?
The time is now for impeachment. Clarify the waters BEFORE the next administration takes office, so they know right from the get-go who they work for, and will follow our own, as well as international laws.
Wolfiemouse 3 years ago
Wolfie:If we as individuals are accountable for our actions, and if we seriously phuck up, can expect a trial, to be judged by our peers, and if guilty, a nonstop ticket to jail. Why should OUR elected leaders be held any less accountable?
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Because the Supreme Court has ruled that the President enjoys unconditional immunity from criminal prosecution for official acts.
DURound 3 years ago
Wolfie: The time is now for impeachment. Clarify the waters BEFORE the next administration takes office, so they know right from the get-go who they work for, and will follow our own, as well as international laws.
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You do know, don't you, that the President has the power to pardon himself of any crimes? It is a constitutional power and the majority of constitutional scholars say he can pardon himself.
DURound 3 years ago
TRUTH!!
danoking69 3 years ago
The comments in the last few hours indicate that the shortage in rational sensibility is made up for by an overabundance of bong hits.
DURound 3 years ago
Waste of effort - it's all a distraction to hide the puppet masters' real activity for global control. Presidents are just fall guys for the Global Elite. Take a look at Obama's logo: Eye of the Illuminati. Change? LOL! Nothing will change until all the Gov faces the wrath of the Constitution - forced by the rise of the people. Screw all this "war crimes" BS, just more subterfuge. The Gov all should all face charges of violating the US Constitution, that's the core issue!
Power To The Sheeple!
KendisKustomsDotCom 3 years ago
Obama's logo is a letter "O" and there is nothing Illuminatiesque about it. Put down the crack pipe.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
"Put down the crack pipe"? LOL! Is that the best you can come up with? Spare me the childish remarks.
Wrong logo ignorant ovine - you need to stay informed, get up with current events and stop embarrassing yourself.
KendisKustomsDotCom 3 years ago
Where can I find an example of the "other logo" that you think Obama uses which has Illuminati symbolism? I think you're delusional, Kendi.
I sense that some people want us to despair of ever having a decent government so that we will rise up in armed revolution, supposedly to take back our government. but there is a white nationalist undercurrent at work in that. If we can't get Bush impeached, maybe President Obama can have him investigated and dealt with as appropriate.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
President Obama? LOL! Impeaching Bush will change NOTHING! Mr, you forget history and you're blind to the arrogant trickery of those pulling the strings; You cling to the pathetic notion that Gov is the answer - it is NOT. You're the classic good little pleb - your banter is like the aphonic sound of sheep.
What logo? You're quite the lazy eyed pleb as well.
KendisKustomsDotCom 3 years ago
You're part of the problem Kendis. They want us scared and desperate. You're there, unless you are one of them.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
leftysergeant
Are you scared and desperate?
I'm not.
No one I know is...............
Who are you speaking of?
GreatSatan1 3 years ago
Lefty: If we can't get Bush impeached, maybe President Obama can have him investigated and dealt with as appropriate.
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Obama will not do that. It would be too dangerous for him, because he would be setting a precedent for the person who comes after him. It is a very bad idea -- it makes it necessary for the President to hold on to power by whatever means he can.
Bad idea man
DURound 3 years ago
It may seem dangerous, but only to an unfit president. It would mean an end to walking away immune to accountability. All Obama would have to do to cover his own ass is not commit war crimes.
leftysergeant 3 years ago
Lefty: It may seem dangerous, but only to an unfit president. It would mean an end to walking away immune to accountability. All Obama would have to do to cover his own ass is not commit war crimes.
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This is simply silly. EVERY President who has ANY military adventures overseas "commits" the "war crimes" that Bush has committed. They ALL do it. It is part of being a war leader. And every one of them has been accused.
You are trying to overturn the constitution. VERY BAD.
DURound 3 years ago
That is a good argument, but when we don't take the steps needed to keep the checks and balances in place we become a kingdom and not the democracy we are supost to be. When a president knows that he can do as he wants because of the fear that the next president won't get away with crimes we have a hugh problem. Are we a nation of pussys? I hope not. I believe we should hold them all accountable, Vote them all out, if needed, but we must hold them accountable.
littledogs1 3 years ago 2
littledogs1:we don't take the steps needed to keep the checks and balances in place we become a kingdom and not the democracy we are supost to be.
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That is not exactly so. First of all, it is not the people who administer the checks and balances but rather the arms of the government. The people do not exercise checks and balances control. Second, we would not be a kingdom. We might be a oligarchy, but not a monarchy.
DURound 3 years ago
littledogs1:I believe we should hold them all accountable, Vote them all out, if needed, but we must hold them accountable.
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Other than the supreme court, they are all held accountable. Representatives every 2 years, Presidents every 4 years and Senators rotate around 6 years.
DURound 3 years ago
Technically we are not a democracy we are a republic.
Emporerofkortoph 3 years ago
A republic is a subgroup of a democracy, just like my country is a constitutional monarchy, but still a democracy. If the people can vote regularly and freely about who is in charge, it's a democracy.
philip1201 3 years ago
Yes, its been a while since I posted that comment. Ive since found a better understanding of all that.
Emporerofkortoph 3 years ago
Emporerofkortoph :
Technically, you are wrong. Technically, we are a Constitutionally Limited Democratic Republic.
And besides... Technically, the Two terms were actually synonymous for many years.
leesagrrl 3 years ago
Had you scrolled down two lines you would have seen that I now have a better understanding of the american political system. I made that comment a few months ago.
Emporerofkortoph 3 years ago
Not. Gonna. Happen.
Get a friggin' life.
Chip53 3 years ago
why don't you move to china, sounds like you would like their government better.
willtohave 3 years ago
Until "White/Anglo America" get behind this Impeachment initiative of Kuchinish, it will never happen. That means that the NASCAR crowd, "blue collar workers", townies of West VA.and "Yuppies" must all march in the streets for the prosecution. This will not happen. NIMBY is an American disease.
gjohnson87109 3 years ago
its not bush,its the whole of the usa,s govt system that stinks.your,ll soon have no rights
The uk is also saving us from terrorists by taking away our rights and our freedom
funseeker2006 3 years ago
Don't you have like 42 days without trial now? People need to read some George Orwell and get angry & off their asses.
ngarey 3 years ago
It isn't even about whether it was wrong or right michael, it is that he LIED. They LIED. They documented their LIE - there is proof of their LIE and they need to be held accountable for their LIE.
It s called unethical, unconstitutional, and an abuse of power. Period. End of argument.
If Bush and his Zionist buddies are innocent - Let a US court of LAW PROVE IT - rather than just Pardoning himself and all the crooks that made millions off this occupation - and it was an occupation, not a war.
PsyogiBottoms 3 years ago
Please tell me what you believe international alliance is. And yes, It would seem impeachment is ridiculous he seems lawless.
debseakey 3 years ago
I'm tired of begging we need international alliance impeachment and it is coming to sight. look it up. The world wants to impeach bush too.
debseakey 3 years ago
debs: I'm tired of begging we need international alliance impeachment and it is coming to sight. look it up. The world wants to impeach bush too.
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Ridiculous statement for so many reasons its hard to know where to begin.
1. The world CANNOT impeach. Only the House can do that.
2. Your claim that the world wants to do so, is unsupported.
3. The "world" has no standing.
4. There is no time to impeach.
DURound 3 years ago
So stop believing something, just simply because you want to believe something. Believe something that is presented with facts, OK.
michaeljackson200 3 years ago
See "Will Congress listen? IMPEACH NOW! Bush is a Threat to Peace" Bush has lied 3x about the very reason he attacked Iraq!
michaeljackson200, you really need to look at the facts.
representativepress 3 years ago
There are some things that I will criticize Bush for, but not about the war in Iraq. Also, you can't call for impeachment just because you disagree with his foreign policy. Now, Bush may have discussed about WMD. Let me explain. 1. Bush is not a good speaker 2. He doesn't explain things well. Those 2 things are why he did not stand up for himself. If he did discusss weapons, he only did it because people like you wanted to hear it. Many People give what they want to believe, I give the facts.
michaeljackson200 3 years ago
Bush did not lie about WMD, democrats did. Why else don't think that they are calling for his impeachment? The democrats lied because they hate Bush just because he was so popular and they think that they should ruin the fun for everyone. I will keep posting this until enough of the country that I love (U.S.A.) believes me. Whoa, whoa, whoa, just stop right there all of you. I am telling the truth that it was the democrats. Go look it up if you don't believe.
michaeljackson200 3 years ago
No one likes war you idiots. George W. Bush hates war, John McCain hates war, Fred Thompson hates war, but that does not mean that you have to be against it. The war in Iraq was justified and there are plenty of people out there who also agree that it was the right thing to do (they hate war just as much as all of you do). I hate war too, but believe that it was right to go in. You can't always do what want, you've gotta do what's right.
michaeljackson200 3 years ago
michaeljackson200, see my video "A Warmongering War President Catapulting the Propaganda" Bush i pretty giddy when he says "I'm a war President"
representativepress 3 years ago
MJ2000: I hate war too, but believe that it was right to go in. You can't always do what want, you've gotta do what's right.
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I was never sure it was a good idea to conduct that war, but now that it is a done deal, if we abandon that area too quickly it will be much worse. People will have died in vain and more people will die in violence.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound,
are you actually saying the US should ignore Iraq's wishes? Is Iraq sovereign or not?
representativepress 3 years ago
Repress: are you actually saying the US should ignore Iraq's wishes? Is Iraq sovereign or not?
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Not at all. What I actually said was : "if we abandon that area too quickly it will be much worse. People will have died in vain and more people will die in violence."
That is a very different statement than "the US should ignore Iraq's wishes?"
To answer your second question, Iraq is nominally but increasingly sovereign.
DURound 3 years ago
bush! Lmao! he is so friggin gsu! i friggin hate him! u know what he just did he made an enviromental mistake he let a couple of laws pass that would take at least up to 10 years to clean up. I friggin hate bush so much! we dont need another republican in office,. Dont you see what bush has done! hes the one who let uds go into war and made our people die.
WhatsUpRAndom 3 years ago
WTF! BUSH should't have never been elected the first time, but of course "We the people", didn't elect him the USSC handed him the keys to the White House. Bush, shouldn't have goten a second term in the oval office, but he did, cause you all bought into his lies. I didn't!!!
Impeach BUSH? Oh HELL YEAH !!! But it wont do any good, It's too little, too late... but sign me up just the same! I'd pay money to stand in line just to see it. Then wait some more to kick him a few times in the face.
BenJr01 3 years ago
Ben: BUSH should't have never been elected the first time, but of course "We the people", didn't elect him the USSC handed him the keys to the White House.
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That is a popular misconception. In fact, he won by a majority of the electorial college vote.
DURound 3 years ago
Of course it will do some good it will show the democraps have grown a set and it will show all the neocons that they will not get away with their crimes. Put that fraggin NWO stooge in jail!
muttergeo 3 years ago
..and remember-WE THE PEOPLE of the United States will PROTECT OUR LIBERTY by our Declaration of Independence and OUR Constitution.And YOU, the CONGRESS-Each time you TAX, TAKE and WASTE the $ that WE EARN our liberty is stripped little by little. By the Constitution, your power is limited, while the PEOPLE on the other hand - are guarenteed liberty and the power to over-throw your ass out of rule. Look it up, it's written by our forefathers. Just resign Kucinich, you've done enough damage
xyberfunk 3 years ago
I THINK WE SHOULD IMPEACH CONGRESS - they are the real enemy. Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi and hacks like Dennis Kucinich. Congress is responsible for the actions of government as much as the President. And they have RUINED the economy, FAILED us on illegal immigration and the list goes on and on and on. Wasting our money to impeach on no grounds by the Constitution of our Republic. GET BACK TO WORK KUCINICH.. it's your LAST term sucker. The AMERICAN people will speak and confirm your a fool.
xyberfunk 3 years ago
your perfect proof that all republicans are idiots! keep posting!
mugrosos1 3 years ago
Im not a Republican. But I can tell you that it is AGAINST the Constitution blatently that illegal immigrants are franchised and allowed to vote and this is being perpletrated by the left. In one voting district alone, over 3% of the people CALLED FOR JURY DUTY were disqualified because they were found 2b illgl immgrnts. Congerss MUST focus on this instead of these Stalinist show trials! We demand law and REPRESENTATION! This hurts our Republic. PS-NEWS FLASH-Bush isnt running for President..
xyberfunk 3 years ago
You people are the dumbest mother fuckers god has ever created! wait the monkeys has created you that explain it all!!
hogsonquads 3 years ago
NAZI vs NEOCON Part 17/21 BOTH
Demeaned mediators (H:Chamberlain,LofN; B:UN,UNMOVIC,IAEA,other nations)
Restricted travel (B:No-fly lists for opponents)
Hated communism
Hid target's weakness from citizens (H:Poland had cavalry vs tanks; B:Iraq destroyed any WMDs c1995)
H & B both failures at business
Used assassination as policy tool
Broke promises (B:Mexico,Russia,Afgh,Katrina,NYC)
Promoted regime change/puppets/Quislings (B:Afgh,Iran,Iraq;Alawi=CIA-linked killer)
Uninterested in victims' fate
GurnSi 3 years ago
GurnSi 3 years ago
I'm sincerely sorry if what I have said has had a negative impact on your campaign.
Kucinich is a Hero. And not just an "American Hero".
I think that anyone who signs it is also a Hero. But please be careful.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
Kucinich is no hero. LOL... hes a politician looking for publicity.
DURound 3 years ago
Would you have given the Nazis a list of Germans who disagree with them?
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against that power governments, and tyrants, and armies can not stand. They learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it may take a thousand years, we will be *free*.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
Power: No dictator, no invader, can hold an imprisoned population by the force of arms forever.
When you say "forever" you are certainly right, because human beings will not exist "forever", but if, by forever, you mean some long time that may extend past a person's lifetime, then a dictator or an invader can and have held an imprisoned population by force for ages.
If you are content to wait 1000 years then perhaps you are right, but most people think in closer terms than that.
DURound 3 years ago
Most people usually do. Lets hope it happens it your lifetime :)
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
PowerandPerception: Most people usually do. Lets hope it happens it your lifetime :)
Well, fortunately I am not subject to any dictatorial powers. But there are people around the world who are. I have a positive feeling about events around the world: democracy, free-enterprise and capitalism are definitely on the march!
DURound 3 years ago
I think there is something slightly foolish in the act of giving them a list of names of people who disagree with them. But maybe I'm pessimistic.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
PowerAndPerception, you're being WORSE than pessimistic, you're being irrational and destructive when you argue against signing this petition. You live in the UK and apparently don't understand the situation here. Bush is one of the most unpopular Presidents of all time and those that disagree are in overwhelming numbers. This is a petition to impeach. It is written into our Constitution that we have a right to petition our government for a redress of grievances. What you are doing is the worst.
representativepress 3 years ago
Please don't say that a person from the UK "apparently don't understand the situation here". Because a person doesn't agree with your opinions doesn't make them wrong.
Cindi3847 3 years ago
I knew my comment would be unpopular. But I never expected to be called irrational and destructive.
I understand the situation very well and fully support what you are trying to do.
However, I do not trust what those people will do with that list of names. But should I trust them? Am I really being so pessimistic? Considering what they have done?
"What I am doing is the worst."
All I'm doing is asking you to be careful... and at the very least, think.
PowerAndPerception 3 years ago
Power&Perception
There is no reason to fear any "reprisal". That simply does not happen and yes, you are being paranoid.
However, if you pass your name to a FUNDRAISING ORGANIZATION, you should not be surprised it you get CALLS TO DONATE!
THAT does happen ALL THE TIME!
DURound 3 years ago
Power&perception:I think there is something slightly foolish in the act of giving them a list of names of people who disagree with them. But maybe I'm pessimistic.
Actually I think that there is something slightly foolish about giving ALL of your personal contact information to the COMMITTEE TO REELECT CUCINICH. That is who is collecting the petition data.
You will be called to donate!
DURound 3 years ago
You are not being pessimistic. Your correct. "Respress" indicates that you are from the UK and because of that you don't understand. My friends in the UK have a much better understanding of our politics than many people from the USA.
Keep providing your thoughts to this site.
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funnyboy88 3 years ago
The only thing he got right was the fact that congressman and senators trip over crime everyday. IT IS USUALLY THEIR OWN CRIME. Mr Kucinich is using this party line distraction to divert attention away from the fact that Congress in the past 2-4-6-8 yrs. has done nothing except sit on their fat ass and complain while oil prices were going up and up. They are so in bed with the GREENIES they wouldn't dare take a leak behind a tree. STOP THE SHIT AND GET ON WITH THE REAL BUSINESS OF THE PEOPLE.
didyoulisiten 3 years ago
didyoulisiten, what the hell are you talking about? Bush committed crimes and the Democratic leadership and the Republicans are refusing to uphold the rule of law.
representativepress 3 years ago
Reppress:Bush committed crimes and the Democratic leadership and the Republicans are refusing to uphold the rule of law.
Consider this: Congress is full of laywers and Democrats. The reason they have not taken steps is that they do not believe laws were broken (or at least to a level that requires any action.)
They probably know more about such things than you do... AND they are actually the deciders of what is impeachable.
DURound 3 years ago
Thank you, DURound, for this comment. It is absolutely true. Congress will not take action for the reasons you have stated. They also will not take action because they are very close to their re-election and do not want to "waste their valuable time".
"Reppress" isn't explaining that impeachment is only the first step of involuntary removal of the President. Convection is the second part which takes more time. Bill Clinton was impeached but not convected.
Cindi3847 3 years ago
Cindi, you are absolutely right.
DURound 3 years ago
It's a crime to take a leak behind a tree in a city. Complaining when bad things happen is what congress is supposed to do. Oil prices go up because of something called FREE MARKETS. If you want to complain about them going up, you should become a SOCIALIST. Greenies vote for democrats, because democrats are most like greenies. Democrats have the majority in congress, so the congress acts democrat-like. If you want to complain about that, you should start a DICTATORSHIP.
philip1201 3 years ago
Signed it.
Please also consider signing the FORMAL Petitions for Redress (of Constitutional grievances) concerning the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, & other CONSTITUTIONAL VIOLATIONS (which are not mere matters of "public policy") at:
w ww.givemeliberty.o rg/revolution
All 535 Congressmen and the President were legally process-served with the Petitions personally by their respective constitutents in their district offices across the U.S. on Monday, June 30th. They have 40 days to respond.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Koby: They have 40 days to respond.
Or what? It is silly to "process serve" a petition.
DURound 3 years ago
A FORMAL First Amendment petition is a legal notice and demand. Each petition consists of a series of interogatories. Do you have any awareness of the history of the almost forgotten Right-to-Petition? At one in time in this Country, it was very commonplace. The U.S. Supreme Court has NEVER interpreted the Petition Clause of the First Amendment and in January of 2008, refused its first invitation to do so. SCOTUS defied its very own precedent and its primary duty to interpret the Constitution.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Refusing their primary duty to interpret the Constitution is legally known as Constitutional TREASON. The 40 day time limit was derived from the Magna Carta of 1215 AD which forms the fundamental basis for our entire legal system and the Right-to-Petition. In the Magna Carta it states that the King and his family's property and possessions may be rightfully, justifiably, and lawfully assailed by the People if they do not respond to the People's grievances within 40 days, saving only their lives.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Koby, you are talking nonsense. You seem clueless as to what the law says and requires.
DURound 3 years ago
You're the one that appears clueless to Constitutional law.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
KobyBrandt:A FORMAL First Amendment petition is a legal notice and demand.
Uhh, Koby, There is no lack of awareness. You are spouting things that are boring and useless, except for the last statement which is nonsensical and ridiculous.
DURound 3 years ago
According to the Magna Carta:
"And if we shall not have corrected the transgression...within forty days, reckoning from the time it has been intimated to us...the community of the whole realm, distrain and distress us in all possible ways, namely, by seizing our castles, lands, possessions, and in any other way they can, until redress has been obtained as they deem fit, saving harmless our own person, and the persons of our queen and children."
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
The historical significance of the Magna Carta was encapsulated in the last ten words of the First Amendment. The Founders were very aware of the Magna Carta. You can find the complete historical record here:
w ww.givemeliberty.o rg/revolution
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Another clue is a unanimous resolution by the First Contintental Congress as a tool to PEACEABLY obtain a redress of Constitutional grievances:
"If money is wanted by Rulers who have in any manner oppressed the People, they may retain it until their grievances are redressed,
and thus peaceably procure relief, without trusting to despised petitions or disturbing the public tranquility."
1774, Journals of the Continental Congress, 1:105-113
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Koby: The historical significance of the Magna Carta
Are you with the "Magna Carta Spam Advertising Consortium"?
DURound 3 years ago
KobyBrandt :"According to the Magna Carta"
SO WHAT?
It is really annoying to read this IRRELEVANT stuff. Its like you are spamming.
DURound 3 years ago
Your comments are spam. So you believe that the historical record of the fundamental basis of "rule by Constitutional law", common law, & Constitutional petitioning in its various forms (including petitioning the Courts via lawsuit) is irrelevant, eh? I suppose you believe the Right of Habeas Corpus is irrelevant too? The Magna Carta is one of the most significant & treasured documents ever conceived. It marked the beginning of the end of feudalism, & provided the basis for the renaissance.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
Koby gets irrelevant: So you believe that the historical record of the fundamental basis of law is irrelevant, eh?
It is here.. and it is relative to ANY discussion going on here. You apparently REALLY want to discuss the Magna Carta, even when its off topic. Pathological.
Go to a History Channel chat room. I'm sure you can find people to chant to there who will chant back.
Or you could go to a science room and rant about how wet water is. Same sort of deal. Really bland and useless.
DURound 3 years ago
Well, I see these no shortage of ignoramuses here on U2B. You obviously have no concept of what the hell you're talking about. Here, we're talking about the impeachment of a President and the rule of law as it applies to our government. So how is a discussion of the rule of law "off toopic"?
You appear to be extraordinarily bland & useless; & more than mildly pathological. So go run off & play with yourself little troll. I won't waste any more of my valuable time with such an obvious idiot.
KobyBrandt 3 years ago
KobyBrandt asks:Here, we're talking about the impeachment of a President and the rule of law as it applies to our government. So how is a discussion of the rule of law "off toopic"?
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First of all, you are not talking about the rule of law as it applies to our government. You are talking about the Magna Carta-- which has been superceded. Second, you are raising issues (right to petition) that NO ONE questions. Its like you want to debate the smell of the color blue. Idiotic.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound: You repeatedly claim that GWB is un-impeachable becasue he has not broken any laws. Under International Law, the pre-emptive strikes.
The administration of President George W. Bush on March 16, 2006, unveiled its second National Security Strategy of the United States of America (NSS). While the NSS states a preference for non-military measures, like the September 2002 version, the new NSS explicitly includes a preemptive war doctrine.
pondman27 3 years ago
DURound: You repeatedly claim that GWB is un-impeachable becasue he has not broken any laws.
Yes. And I notice you did not bring any up in you blurt.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound: You claim that the use of torture is legal and the Geneva convention does not apply because those detained have not been classified as prisoners of war by the executive. Yet this is a self proclaimed war on terror, if it is a war, then the pre-existing laws relating to the treatment of detainees should apply, as is being born out by recent judicial decisions.
pondman27 3 years ago
Pondman:You claim that the use of torture is legal and the Geneva convention does not apply because those detained have not been classified as prisoners of war
You have me confused with someone else. I have never said that.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound: The administration that you appear to be defending, has repeatedly refused to give evidence under oath claiming executive privelege and given its subsequent actions should have been sufficient to remove the powers and recind the laws it has deviously implemented, especially of those that have been aimed and used against its own citizens.
Personally, I would call for a vote, by the people for a vote of no confidence now and immediately remove presidential power.
pondman27 3 years ago
Pondman:The administration that you appear to be defending, has repeatedly refused to give evidence under oath claiming executive privelege
Every President claims executive privilege. Too bad you do not like the US Constitution that allows this and the Supreme Court that encourages it.
DURound 3 years ago
Last week, an Iranian military official told reporters Israel and the United States "would not dare" attack Iran since it could strike back anywhere in Israel and against U.S. military installations in the Middle East with its latest missiles, including the Shehab-3 medium-range ballistic missile, which experts say is capable of striking Israel or U.S. bases in the Gulf
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
ibanezman1007, SO WHAT!?! You think anyone should say, "if you attack me I will just do nothing?" Are you for real? What do you think anyone should do when they are continually threatened with force? Yes, a country is saying that if you dare attack them, they will strike back. Are you really so brainwashed that you don't see that as a totally normal REACTION?
representativepress 3 years ago
benzanman, this whole world is fuked up, everyone in america kisses israel's ass, and if anyone says shit about them like ahmadinejad, that country gets demonized. So if china said it wants to destroy, the government would start to push war with china just for israel, this iraq war was for israel, our 30billion dollars a year goes to the fuckers in israel.
Fila8882002 3 years ago
Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad reiterated Iran's goal of "wiping Israel off the map." Speaking at a conference of visiting heads of Arab terrorist groups operating in areas under Palestinian Authority control, Ahmadinejad said, "Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated."
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
And just what do we owe to Israel? Nothing, but they owe their entire existance to us. If Iran wants to 'wipe them off the map' let them try.
disturbedNBK 3 years ago
disturbedNBK. As long as no nukes fly, I say let them fight it out. My point is this. Do you know what the consequences on the entire world would be if several nukes were launched? If they want to fight it out toe to toe, without chemical biological warfare,or nukes, I say let them go at it.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Every single politican kisses israel's ass. They are our enemies not our friends, the money we give to them each year can used for charitys and fix up the hurricanes or reduce our taxes. ISRAEL IS FUCKING UP AMERICA, THATS WHAT I GOTTA SAY.
Fila8882002 3 years ago
Fila...you may be right. I don't know what to say anymore. I worked with Israel officers in desert storm. They taught our officers a great deal about desert warfare. They were kind, and respectful. Isreal also sat on their hands and took several Scuds from Saddam becuse we asked them not to get involved. We don't kiss their asses. I can't debate this subject anymore, draw your conclusions, just as long as iran doesn't launch a nuke I could care less anymore. Thats all I want. No nukes.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Ibanezman1007, the reporter distorts the very quote you have there. THIS IS NOT "IRAN THREATENING ISRAEL": "Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is on the road to being eliminated."
It is so dishonest to insist that that sentence says Iran is threatening to attack Israel. Such sickmindedness is simply manufacturing a pretext for Israel to attack Iran. It is transparent.
representativepress 3 years ago
The threatening exchanges between Iran and Israel have intensified since 2005, when Iran's hardline President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in a speech that Israel will one day be "wiped off the map." The Iranian leader has also alleged that the Holocaust was a "myth."
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Ibanezman1007, you don't seem to grasp this: the media is lying to you. I showed you that when you look at the source material you see that no such threat has been made. You just keep posing dishonest reporter's interpretations.
Do you honestly not understand what was done in the Wallace interview?
representativepress 3 years ago
Do you want more??? why is your thread the truth, and all of this media lies?
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
banezman1007, Do you honestly not understand what was done in the Wallace interview? Yes or no?
representativepress 3 years ago
no, how would anyone know representativepress?
Since the media lies, therefore your sources lie. I'll just be glad when this nuclear shit is over with. It needs to be resolved. Thats all I want. The word nuclear scares me just a little bit...sorry.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Ibanezman1007, the media is scaring you. the issue is Iran's civilian nuclear power plants yet the media almost never makes that clear. The almost always make it vague by saying something like "nuclear program" so viewers may think what is being discussed is a nuclear weapons program.
representativepress 3 years ago
I sure hope so representativepress. Trust me, that would be the last thing the world would want. Take care. If the media is trying to scare me, it works. Peace out.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
I sign all and everything all the time .Please Pray for IMPEACHEMNT !?!
nohealthcare62 3 years ago
I would suggest you add to the video that it has been edited. Mr. Turleys comments were not presented in one continuous conversation. You take information that has value but "cheapen" it's value by not disclosing the edit.
Cindi3847 3 years ago
Cindi3847:You take information that has value but "cheapen" it's value by not disclosing the edit.
As long as you are editing it, you should add that Turley is a self proclaimed staunch liberal.
DURound 3 years ago
Cindi3847, nothing is "cheapened" and the transcript is in the video description and at my blog which shows exactly where I got the quotations from.
representativepress 3 years ago
Repress, I would like to make one confession:
Though I think you are wrong and wrong-headed, I believe you work hard to be a person of integrity.
Even though I disagree with you in a profound way and consider your views to be wild and dumb -- and possibly rooted in anti-semitism, I nevertheless respect efforts at integrity.
And I wish you further success in that effort.
DURound 3 years ago
"Though I think you are wrong and wrong-headed, I believe you work hard to be a person of integrity. ... respect efforts at integrity.
And I wish you further success in that effort."
Did you ever consider that since I am a person of integrity, I have done the research and I am pointing out the facts? Too many people. are so stubborn that they refuse to admit the facts.
representativepress 3 years ago
RepPress: Did you ever consider that since I am a person of integrity, I have done the research and I am pointing out the facts? Too many people. are so stubborn that they refuse to admit the facts.
I would say that you strive to be a person of integrity (as many of us do). I would not say that you necessarily have a command of all of the facts.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound, I have supplied fact after fact and debunked claim after claim of yours. what do you want? Even the village idiot can sit with his arms crossed and say "nope," it doesn't make him right. Why do you create these barriers for yourself where you can't admit the facts clearly laid out before you?
representativepress 3 years ago
Respress:I have supplied fact after fact and debunked claim after claim of yours.
Actually no.. you have never done that. Not once. In fact, it is I who have done that to you, yet you ignore it. You are the one acting out as the village idiot.
DURound 3 years ago
so thank you for saying you wish me success, hy not help me? Insisting "threats" were made by Iran is a horrible thing to do. You are paving way for deaths on a scale that could exceed anything humanity has ever seen. Why not join people with integrity and put a stop to this madness? Evil people are making excuse after excuse to start war after war, this has to end now.
representativepress 3 years ago
Repress: why not help me?
DU: Because I do not agree with your views.
Repress: Insisting "threats" were made by Iran is a horrible thing to do.
DU: But less horrible than not recognizing that Iran is a very big bully threatening all its neighbors.
Repress: You are paving way for deaths on a scale that could exceed anything humanity has ever seen.
DU: Not me. Iran. And people who bend to their will. Like you.
DURound 3 years ago
DURound, Iran's supreme leader, Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, said that "We have no problem with the world. We are not a threat whatsoever to the world, and the world knows it. We will never start a war. We have no intention of going to war with any state." The media simply refuses to report that ans instead INVENTS threats. You have not provided a single proof to your claims, do you realize that?
representativepress 3 years ago
I'm not american so i can't vote :(
philip1201 3 years ago
Phillip, you probably can. What country are you a citizen of?
DURound 3 years ago
The Netherlands. (in europe)
philip1201 3 years ago
If you are in the Netherlands, I am sure you can vote... they are a democracy!
DURound 3 years ago
I meant "vote to impeach bush".
philip1201 3 years ago
Phillip: I meant "vote to impeach bush".
If you are really eager to vote in United States issues, then you should come to the US and become a citizen.
Otherwise, concern yourself with your own country.
DURound 3 years ago
Unfortunately, we all live on the same planet, and the US is one of the most powerful nations on earth.
Some of your nukes are placed inside my country. My country's economy is partially dependant on the US.
I know it wouldn't be fair for me to vote, because that would misrepresent the US population's opinion, but that doesn't mean i wouldn't like to vote, and regret it if i can't vote.
philip1201 3 years ago
Phillip: the US is one of the most powerful nations on earth. My country's economy is partially dependant on the US. I regret it if i can't vote.
Secretly... everyone wants to be an American. Best country in the world... much better than the Netherlands, eh?
DURound 3 years ago
NAZI vs NEOCON Part 12/21 BOTH
Wanted to intern/jail dissidents
Told BIG lies,not small ones (H:Jews; B:Iraq=911=WMD=Al-Q)
H threatened Czechoslovakia with war in 1937-8 unless it complied: invaded nonetheless after it did; B ditto vs Iraq 2002-3 INEVITABLE
Quietly builds huge,semisecret domestic internment camps for dissidents
Complained about "liberal" judges,undertook to remedy the "problem"
Used threats & coercion against Legislature to bring it under the Executive,intimidate & extend power
GurnSi 3 years ago
GurnSi 3 years ago
"Those who forget the mistakes of the past, are doomed to repeat them" If the congress was all fired up to impeach Clinton for lying about getting a "blow job", the congress really ought to impeach bush for giving us all a "snow job"!
androidstar 3 years ago
Yep. Repugnicans are brain-dead/washed or wicked. If only Bush was not so Hitlerian and was randy, we could have set him up with some trashy whore long ago & had him impeached. Neocon values are so Orwellian, so absurd, that's all that counts to them
These 'tards are leading on to WW3. Russia, China, India & even much of Europe knows that sooner or later it is going to be war with the USA, unless the USA reforms itself. Quiet rearming is going on.
Later, WW4 will be fought with sticks & stones
GurnSi 3 years ago
Republicans? Is that it? You don't care about Iraq. You don't care about war criminals. All you are is the saddest Obama supporter, or democrat in general for that matter that I've ever seen. And don't play with smart peoples words. WWIV is beyond your intelligence.
Bf2009 3 years ago
Good illustration of why kids should not be allowed on YouTube political vids... Please go back to "Darth Vader & Luke being rude assholes" and "Darth Vader being a smartass" and your other "Top Favorite" vids, kid.
Unlike the AmeriKKKan murdering fumbduck grunts, I don't make war on little kids. To you war & murder is a game. You don't understand that the Iraqis are like Americans (except kinder, smarter, wiser & culturally superior), not pixels on your screen.
Run along now.
GurnSi 3 years ago
Darth Vader owns you.
Bf2009 3 years ago
Vader owns ALL! His circle is nearly complete!
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Excuse my sarcasm,GurnSi. What I was trying to point out was this>Now, The attack on Kuwait by Iraq led to an agreement. In releasing Saddam, for war crimes, he agreed for U.N inspections and he refused. He was given months to comply. Face it bro, as peons such as ourselves, we will never get ALL the facts. As far as ww3..the only mention of nukes were hosted by Iran, directed towards Israel. I love that quote.."I'm not sure how WW3 will be fought, but WW4 will be faught with sticks and stones"
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
"he agreed for U.N inspections and he refused"
Saddam did not refuse, he just played difficult, saving face as any dictator would. It was BUSH who told the IAEA/UNMOVIC guys to quit Iraq... C'mon. You know better. ALL the UNMOVIC/IAEA guys agreed, the US acted illegally.
Even arguing pragmatically (i.e. ignoring the wicked, evil & immoral nature of US policy), what the bonobo has done makes WW3 enormously more likely... in fact, probable, soon.
Yes, you spotted my ref. to the Einstein quote..
GurnSi 3 years ago
GurnSi, Bush should have stepped down years ago. Again, sorry for my sarcasm. To be a fly on the wall in the white house would be something else indeed. For any leadership of any nation for that matter. The world is pretty infected. Everything needs to be revamped. I agree, something is going to snap. Corruption is out of control. Good luck. And Lord help the world if nukes fly... (Or whatever you believe in). Later...Jeff
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
"if nukes fly"
There's little "if". The USA has signalled to the ROW that it will, and has, invade any country on any pretext, giving 100 BS reasons for it. Presumably "it" wants WW3 sooner, while it is still militarily dominant.
Post 1940- at least Hitler was honest enough not to hide his invasions as anything other than what they were.
Do you think the ROW is just going to sit & wait for OUR TURN? No, that is why Iran is probably arming itself furiously - and others too... Madness, madness.
GurnSi 3 years ago
That is correct. It is a small "if". But I tell you this. The U.S will not nuke. Iran will launch on Israel. Thus, involving the start of nuclear war. Israel will fire back. Then, all hell will break loose. The U.S will not initiate a nuclear war. It hinges on Iran and their threat.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
"It hinges on Iran and their threat"
Which threat? Not the one that was never uttered, viz. the lie about "wiping Israel off the map"
GurnSi 3 years ago
Certainly the many threats that Iran has made to all of its neighbors... behind closed doors, are very grave.
DURound 3 years ago
GurnSi 3 years ago
The worldwide televised threat that the Iranian leader are close to having the bomb, and will destroy Israel at first capability. I take him very serious.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
"worldwide televised threat that the Iranian leader are close to having the bomb, and will destroy Israel at first capability"
When exactly was this alleged threat issued?
Who exactly issued it?
What were the exact words?
......
GurnSi 3 years ago
About a year ago. He said he "we are close to nuclear capabilities, and will wipe Isreal off the face of the Earth at first capabilities". Forgive the exact date. Google it. It was on CNN. I am certian you heard his speech.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
"About a year ago. He said he "we are close to nuclear capabilities, and will wipe Isreal off the face of the Earth at first capabilities". Forgive the exact date. Google it. It was on CNN. I am certian you heard his speech."
Bullcrap. Again.
When exactly was this alleged threat issued?
Who exactly issued it?
What were the exact words?
Do you realize what a fucking tool you are being?
GurnSi 3 years ago
Gurnsi, the tool says:When exactly was this alleged threat issued?
On December 14, 2001, multiple sources, including the BBC and the Economist report that Rafsanjani called upon some Islamic Country to rise up and attack Israel with a Nuclear weapon. He said just one should be enough to destroy the country of israel.
DURound 3 years ago
Is that the best you can do?
It was NOT a threat from Iran.
It was an invitation to OTHERS to do something. Just like the USA does all the time.
Secondly, it is nearly 7 years ago.
Rafsanjani held no high office at the time.
He ceased to be the President of Iran in 1997 - nearly 5 years earlier. He tried to stand again but lost the 2005 to the MODERATE Ahmadinejad.
You have been assfucked, 'tard. Pwned.
Now, shall we hold the USA liable for the rantings of Coulter, Falwell & Limbaugh? ;-)
GurnSi 3 years ago
Gurnsi gets all frustrated:Is that the best you can do?
No, but it is all you deserve.
DURound 3 years ago
Gurnsi wrote fuck the USA on my comment board. He knows damn well Israel was threatened by Iran with a nuclear strike. So much as one silo opens from Iran. I sent him threads, and all were disregarded. That crazy bastard will fire. No sense even debating with him. Waste of time. To DURound.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
Ibanez,
Just because someone is mentally ill does not mean that they are unable to operate a computer. You will run into such people from time to time.
DURound 3 years ago
Thats a fact DURound. It amazes me that Gurnsi knows exactly what I am talking about with the repeated threats That Iran has threatened Israel with. Nobody was even speaking nuclear strikes until Iran got in there. Yet, in his world, we should disregard a severe threat with nukes. I can gaurentee you one thing, the U.S will never fire a nuke. That's why I insist it is up to Iran, if they want to go that route. Take care.
Ibanezman1007 3 years ago
This is what I found: "If a day comes when the world of Islam is duly equipped with the arms Israel has in possession, the strategy of colonialism would face a stalemate because application of an atomic bomb would not leave any thing in Israel but the same thing would just produce damages in the Muslim world"
It isn't how you characterize it, is it? It is really talking about deterrence and NOT saying "go and attack"
representativepress 3 years ago
Repress,
You think that I characterized the speech incorrectly. I did not characterize it. I was using sources I trusted (BBC but not anti-cleric IPS).
A full transcript of the speech does not say "would" as though it might happen if they get nuclear weapsons but "will" as in it WILL happen if they get nuclear weapons.
I tried to post a link to this full transcript but I think YouTube objects.
DURound 3 years ago