Mr. Katsuhiko Sumii, the trainer of Delta Blues and Pop Rock, can now put Victoire Pisa's 2011 Dubai World Cup win on his record. He has really become on the best trainers in the world and I hope he will bring some horses to future Melbourne Cup races.
Lol I remember watching the Caulfield Cup and after seeing Delta Blues get 3rd, immediately said that the horse would win the Cup. Being underage i got my dad to put $5 on it to win. $125 later.....
i backed delta blues. Because it flew home to second in the caulfield cup that year. Got blocked and was at 80s. Paid 20 for the place. Came second in the caulfield and would have won in a canter if not blocked. A great day for the showdowman
Yeats only finished 7th here, with the jockey Kieren Fallon stating that his mount just lacked his usual finishing kick and was not suited by the stop-start pace of the race. He was forced to make a big move a mile out to get to the front, ensuring that he maintained his speed for the finishing straight. Maybe we can make a match race between Yeats and Makybe Diva in a computer game called Melbourne Cup Challenge?
How in hell Delta Blues maintained a sprint for virtually the entire length of the Flemington straight absolutely boggles me. That is one tough horse!
do you mean what happened to him after this race? He went on to win another 2 Ascot Gold Cups (he won 4 in total, a record breaking win) and other Graded races. He was retired at the end of last season and now stands at Coolmore Stud in Ireland =)
If you meant in this race, I couldnt be sure. He never performed as well when abroad, especially as far as Australia. And I personally believe he preffered running right handed =)
Delta Blues against his stablemate Pop Rock? WHAT A BATTLE! I remember this so well. Delta Blues is an astounding horse too. Japan dominated the Cup that year for sure!
I remember in the age there was this prediction on who would come what. and if it did end up being the result i could have one a lot of money because i betted the first 7 finshes in the prediction
made my first ever horse racing bet on this race, was $6 on maybe better for a place, won bout $18, good times... made another bet on maybe better the next year but it got scratched...
I enjoyed this video very much. Please can you put on youtube videos of Aussie Jumpraces, especially Warrnambool Grand Annual Steeple-chase as many different years as possible. Thanks
woooo efficient is da bomb....i went for him in the 2006 cup and i put "go efficient" on my undies and then i turned on the tv to find out he was scratched...and i told everyone and then my great uncle who is a trainer said he wouldn't of won anyway coz he was too young...and he won this year :)
I am so proud that i neva lossed faith in him....everyoen around me was screamign out either...purple moon or master O'reilley(the favourite) and i picked that purple moon would come second :)
His run was no diff to what we've seen before. But, he is a young horse and if they really want to have a fair crack next year, then its ripe for him.
But I still stand by the same reasoning, the English wont win this race if they continue to do the same things every year. Close enough is not good enough
Im betting he wont do anything of the sort, he knew what was required last year with Yeats and he left all the training to the jockey. He may be a great trainer in the UK, but if he keeps bringing his horses down here and approach it with the same fashion, then he will be going home with nothing.
Was entitled to pay that too, his form was average, the worst since Tawriffic won it. Though his run in the Cox plate wasnt that bad, he still wasnt going that well.
The guys behind Purple Moon trained him for the race, they didnt piss-fart around by staying at Sandown and loaf around for a mth. He was a real chance and ran like it, the only thing going for the UK horses is that alot of them now know that they can make the running in the race and thats there only chance of winning
Purple Moon was bought for almost £500,000, the most expensive Flat horse ever bought at public auction to go jumping & they probably had our Cheltenham festival & the 2 mile Champion Hurdle as a long term goal. He ran twice over hurdles, winning a novice race at odds on & beaten in another & jumped poorly & slowly, spending too much time in the air & so they went "back to the drawing board" with him. He then won our Ebor Hanicap on the flat & then ran in your Melb Cup almost as an afterthought.
"Almost as an afterthought" Now you are showing how ill informed you are. To state a top trainer bought a horse to the other side of the world as an after thought is lame. The guy did nothing of the sort, in fact if you did your research properly you'd see the Cumani's actually set the horses program a year out. They had planned the trip well in advance. Enjoy the race again this year, the only ones from there who have a hope are Weld and Cumani, the rest have no idea. Remember Marienbard?
LOL at ME being ill informed. I've been polite up until now & just dealt with facts, despite your odd insult but now you are talking bollocks mate. If YOU did YOUR research properly you'd know (although I've already told you this) that he was bought to go hurdling & Cumani only got him a few months before because his other trainer didn't hold a flat licence, so how exactly Cumani "set the horses program a year out" is beyond me. LMFAO
You came on here want evidence of runners from UK, after I told you, you then went looking and saw for yourself. Maybe you should have done that in the first place. Facts dont lie mate, you should suck it up and realise this race isnt as easy to win as some of you and your compatriots think and while they keep coming with the wrong idea, they will go home empty handed. When the Aust travel to Europe they take the same approach to races as the locals thats why they win more. Starcraft did it too
I didn't need you telling me anything as I already knew & disagreed with your numbers, plus I didn't go looking for anything (other than exact weights) as I knew things from memory about how our best horses always gave weight, it was only the lesser ones who weren't good enough anyway getting low weights & that's why some of our jumps trainers even started sending runners. I also realise the race isn't easy to win & it's even harder to win unless you send your best horses, which we often don't.
Well if you're claiming Starcraft as an AUS winner in GB then Jeune is a GB winner of the Melbourne Cup as officially Starcraft was trained by Cumani when he raced in GB & spent about 4 months here and so had to be tranfered into GB trainership. It also proves my point about becoming acclimitised as he took runs to get settled in, plus was also racing over a shorter distance and off level weights. Jeune did all of his racing in GB before having one run for Hayes & winning the Melbourne Cup.
@amazed66 He didn't have one run for Hayes in Australia lmao, he had 7 races before the Melbourne Cup (including a G1 Underwood win) and had another 17 runs for Hayes after the Melbourne Cup LOL.
@TheDLPVideos if that's the case then fair enough and I don't claim to be any expert on Australian racing but remember Jeune from UK racing, so looked up the horse's career runs record on the Racing Post website and it only had the last 3 runs listed with Hayes as the trainer and the first of those was for the Melbourne Cup win.
The difference between you and me mate is that anything I say I can back up with facts or else I wouldn't say it, whereas you just say things off the top of your head and hope or assume that they are right. Nothing amuses me more than when someone else is wrong and talking shit yet have the nerve to tell other people that THEY are. LOL
Sadly you cant accept the fact that these trainers with a couple of exceptions, approach the race wrongly. These trainers are given an entire racecourse for their sole use whilst here, while local trainers have to make do with what they have. Its layed out on a platter yet the race is treated with contempt, the ride by Fallon on Yeats 2 years ago is a prime example. Had the goose rode the horse properly he would have gone close to winning.
Where do I deny our trainers approach it wrongly? If I were a GB owner & really wanted to win the race, I'd do what Jeune's owner did & have my horse transfered out well in advanced to get climatises & maybe even have a prep race, but don't know is that allowed or would I officially have to change to an AUS trainer like Jeune? Yeats (top weight again) a 2½ miles horse had already won his main target the Ascot Gold Cup so Fallon tried making it a test of stamina as he was dropping back in trip.
Yeah I remember Marienbard, a horse that onlt ever won all but 1 of his races over 1½ miles & didn't get the 2½ miles trip when they tried him over it, nor 2 miles when dropped out at the back here to try to last out, which is asking a lot by having to come wide through a big field & beaten horses. He later went on to win the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe though which was more to his trip but O'Brien & Godolphin want to win this race so will bring a runner every year, whether ideally suited or not.
Mate all youve done is make excuses and said that horses have been bought here for the richest handicap in the world, as an after thought. You havent done your home work at all, you keep carrying on about the weights the UK horses get, numerous have had very soft weights including the two winners from the UK. All you do is bang on about a minority of horses given large weights yet fail to mention the Aust horses who manage to win with bigger weights ie Efficient carring more than PM and Mahler
I'm in danger of being and becoming bored now because all I seem to be doing is repeating reasons, not excuses that I've already made. I only said Purple Moon was brought here as an afterthought and he was, he'd already won his main target the Ebor (the richest handicap in Europe) and under those circumstances coming to AUS wouldn't have been that expensive and I'm sure your authorities even help with the expenses, and if he mananged to win any prize money then that would have been a bonus too.
i quote" , numerous have had very soft weights including the two winners from the UK. "you might be happy waving your little union jacks when the queen comes calling,But we are not.get your facts straight mate dont label us with the uk
You dickhead, its the richest staying race in the world. And you English keep trying to win it and cant.
You English are still pissed about sending your criminals to paradise arent you?
Lets face it dickhead, we live in a better place than you, we are better at sports than you and we have a more popular horse race than you. Keep send those hacks over here cos we love to watch you all get whipped.....again
If thats the case, then they havent done a very good job then have they? They are poor at most sports and are as thick as planks, their approach to this race is testiment to that.
Nah they're alot more intelligent than Australians. And they put more emphasis on education, in England intellects are applauded, in Australia yobbo sportpeople are applauded
Because they don't care. It's just a stupid horse race.
And I'm not saying we don't have a beautiful conutry. I much prefer living here than England.
Like, in Aus, if you're smart, you're a nerd, or a geek, or whatever, and the greatest achievement one can acomplish in their life is win an AFL grand final. In England, if you're smart then you're not mocked, you're applauded, and though they do love their sports, they realise that it's not everything.
You say sports in Eng is not everything? Why then do people get bashed at ELP games all because they have the wrong colors on? I have a mate who lives here who is an Evertonian and has been bashed in the street in Liverpool, all because he had an Everton juersey on. We take our sport seriously, but its sport and thats it and when the games over everyone gets along, thats what sport is all about. We have the climate where outdoor activities are promoted more, so of course sport is going to be big
Because they don't care. It's just a dumb horse race.
And I'd much prefer to live in Aus than the UK, but it's not my point. My point is that in Aus, if you're intelligent, you're mocked, called a nerd, and generally put down because you're smarter, and we instead idolise our sportsmen. Whereas living in England showed me that though they love their sports, its OK to be smart, it's infact applauded.
They have the last few years in fact. But this is my point. If you said who is more popular Australian of the Year, Tim Flannery or Steve Waugh, the latter would clearly win.
hahah u and i shoudl team up on the betting...we'd be unstopable haha....my whole entire family asks who to go for every year ahhah...and im only a 15 yr old girl
I actually wrote in a forum who my top 3 were, my top 3 were 1 off, I missed Mahler but got efficient, purple moon & zipping..If I got Mahler and bet on the quad I'd have made nearly $700,000.!
I only bet once a year on the cup...had very good success!
yeats should have won the race. not fair puttin all that weight on his back cos he's the best. watch for septimus this year if he goes. on level weights lets see how a real horse does.
Mahler is a rising 4yr old thrown in with 50kgs. The Australian 3yr olds that have run in the Cup are a lot less mature when they run so it's hard to draw a line...
In fact I can't find any record of a Northern hemisphere bred 4yr old having run in the Cup's history.
I'd be more concerned at him being an entire. Like a fucking horny teenager at this age.
A real horse?? You Europeans have been saying that for 20 years and the only one who was good enough came out of an Irish stable. Yeats tried last year and ran like a donkey and it was all thanks to the idiot who rode him. Would you like a list of all the English horses who have tried and failed? It gets longer every year.
Yeah I'd like a list please as I very much doubt it's be 20 years that English horses have been coming over in any great numbers but will be first to apologise if I'm wrong.
Even when they have come over, it's usually been 1-3 English horses agaisnt the rest and maybe none have won as that's just due to the odds being in favour of the numbers and English trained horses have finshed in the places on more than one occasion so they can't be doing much wrong either.
During the mid 80's, several European horses were imported with winning the Cup in mind. The first horses to be trained from outside Australasia to come for the Cup came in '93 the yr Vintage Crop won. From '93 there have been 60 internationals compete with 3 winners and an additional 12 placegetters. Compare that to the Aust horses who have competed in Europe in the last 15 years, you can see how poor it is.
So can you put a number on this "several" European horses that came over during the 80s because I don't remember too many and if I have 5 fingers on one hand and hold up 4 of them, you could say I'm holding up several but it's hardly a lot. I'm also really only replying here for the GB horses as they are the ones I know better but you start off by saying European horses and then end up with 60international ones, well how many of those international ones were GB horses?
The GB/Irish horses seem to get lumbered with their fair share of weight too, plus the race comes at the end of a long season for us & sometimes the horses can be "over the top." I think you also maybe overdo the AUS success in GB too as there's only been a few at R Ascot & over short straight course distances where it's off level weights & basically point & go, & you'd be unlucky or would be bad riding not to get a clear run, compared to the hustle & bustle of a Melbourne Cup & tight turns.
Mate, instead of asking me to look for you, why dont you do a bit of homework and stop guessing. Of those 60 Internationals, 3 have been from Japan and 2 from Hong Kong. That leaves 55 from GB for a miserly 2 wins and 11 places. The runners I speak of from the 80's were imported and trained locally.
The most important factor to you is the fact that not one English trained horse has won the race, both winners were trained by an Irishman.
LOL but you're the one saying 60 not me. There's been 30 odd GB horses run in the race since '96 and 4 ran in it twice, 2 Irish horses have run more than once too, plus 1 SA & 1 GER. Are you counting NZ horses as internationals? Maybe no English trained horses have won but a few have come very close in photo finishes, giving lumps of weight away to Aussie horses that were nowhere near their class and would have been slaughtered in a level weights race over here like any of our Gold Cups. :)
Would you like to list all the UK runners who had to "lump" big weights and give big weights to our horses? We recently had a mare who carried 58kg, 2.5kg above WFA and win. There hasnt been a UK runner attempt that. Treat the race with contempt like it has been then all these trainers will go home without the trophy. The only one whos had enough common sense has been Weld and hes the only one to win it, twice.
Blue Monday was top weight last year and although he was officially AUS trained, he was having his first run for the new trainer having raced in GB, a bit like the winner of teh race Jeune in 1994.
Yeats was top weight in 2006 and when Makybe Diva was in 2005 she still shared in with an IRE runner. GB horses were also top weight in '03, 01, '00, a GB runner was 1lb off top in '99 and another was jt top in '98. I could go on but am running out of characters that I'm allowed to type here. :)
The only European runner to carry more than WFA was Vinnie Roe. Mate all youve doen here is made an arguement with facts that make it seem as though they carry the grandstand and its never been the case. Eg: Efficient carried 5kg (thats what the weight scale is in the MC) more than Mahler, who was bottom weight. All youve done is compared a few horses with what the winner carried. It makes you sound stupid mate because most smart people know the diff, you dont.
I'm not talking about WFA, I'm stating that obviously your handicapper thinks our horses are classier than yours as most years we top the weights & so our form must be considered better than yours. Weight can stop a train & maybe when you compare like with like & have one of your runners come over here & win a distance handicap giving weight to our horses, instead of a level weight 5f sprint that's over in under a minute, then you might have a point. And how do facts make me sound stupid btw? :)
Jardines Lookout was only beaten 4 lengths 3rd when giving the winner 10lbs, Give the Slip was ¾L 2nd giving the winner 7lbs & Persian Punch in 3rd giving 10lbs. Central Park was beaten ½L giving the winner 17lbs. Persian Punch was again beaten a nk & ½L in 3rd giving the winner 11lbs & you tell me I'm guessing. LOL
Oh and I also forgot to mention that a number of our horses weren't going to win the race anyway as they were employed as pacemakers to set the pace for stable companions.
We've heard all the same excuses when the UK horses fail, and youve highlighted them yet again. Are you suggesting these horses have come over here with the owners and trainers knowing they wont win because of the excuses you just gave? Expensive exercise if you bring a horse whos "over the top" isnt it? Are you suggesting that Godolphin arent professional enough to see their horses have had enough and shouldnt travel? Take a look at the weights some have been given, look at Mahler from last yr
Reasons not excuses, some of our horses are on the go since Jan & run 7-8 times a season, which is a lot here & to be able to keep tuned up all season. Your race is a great race & for decent money but it's never the main target for any of our horses. There are sporting owners who want to win the race so bring over horses, whether good enough of not or the top ones get lumbered with weight, Mahler wasn't a top one & was only 6th best of O'Brien's in our Derby and 11th of 17th in the race overall.
I never said Mahler was the best, I stated he was lightly weighted, he was the bottom weight when he ran. Vintage Crop carried 55kg when he won and Media Puzzle was down the list of weights also. You just reiterated my point, 30 runners in 11 yrs for a return of one win. You keep saying they arent targetting the race because they are up all season. Thats exactly my point that you have backed up, if these horses come with the race being the main focus, they will go home empty handed, as they have
I made the point that the best GB & IRE horses were burdened with weight & then you said Mahler had a low weight, so I responded by saying Mahler wasn't one of O'Brien's best, which was why he obviously got a low weight. I'm only ever respoding to your specific points made. Vintage Crop was one of the first IRE horses to come over & maybe once he won it, that didn't prove too popular & others we given more than they should have so as not to see the Melbourne Cup be won by non-Aussies.
Think the Europeans should sit up and take notice of what the Japanese did here, they gave there runners good solid training and a lead up run to such a tough race,just as everyone else does. You cant win this race by just loafing around Sandown for weeks on end, Vintage Crop was a freak, he could not race for a year and still be competitive. The English should wakeup and start doing as everyone else or keep getting beaten, but they keep treating this race with inept attitudes
I am sorry elfling, but I have to agree that Delta Blues is a Japanese horse. He doesnt have Japanese pedigree but he is a horse raised through Japanese training and is owned by Japanese. Therefore, he is as Japanese as you can get. If you want to be specific about breeding, then we can say Makybe Diva, Phar Lap, Carbine and Tulloch are not Australian. These horses werent bred in Australia, but are considered Australian. Please choose your words better before you offend others.
You mean you can't tell DB as an 'Japanese horse' just because its ancestors were not born in Japan? Well in that point, you can't tell Horlicks as a NZ horse because its father Three Legs was born in Britain. You put the facts, but they didn't make sense...lol
That was my birthday. I lost my money on the cup and got smashed off my face. Woke up next to a creek about 1.5 kms from the pub. LOL! Lost my phone and glasses but luckily I got them back.
It was a memorable 21st. Walking home 3 kms at 3 in the morning drunk off my face. LOL!
One thing tho...i've seen many posts congratulating "japanese" horses. Look, the Japs are good at buying good horses but that doesn't mean by far that they know their stuff when it comes to breeding. Delta blues is a full on American horse PERIOD. Have a look on Wikipedia. He's not japanese not even by far. Here in New Zealand the japs come and buy horses like there's no tomorrow. That doesn't mean they are Japanese horses there is NO such thing. They have ZERO breeding tradition.
Thanks for the Vid. Wasn't able to watch the live net-cast, so this is the next best thing. Thanks heaps. 1,2 Japanese horses! Didn't see it coming, but good on the Japanese!
im happy for the japanese! i'm glad the euro'd didn't win it. they really just dont understand our style of racing. yeats cant make his move at the 900m and expect to grind away to a victory as the do in england. our horses aswell as japanese horses have the ability to sit and sprint
Thanks, I was counting on you to post the Melbourne cup. I'm in Spain and although I read the results, I want to see the race. Congratulations to the Japanese camp and to Japan in general. They always spoil me over there!!
Alot of us Aussies are happy for the Japanese. In the past we have won the Japan Cup and Takeover Target recently won a G1 sprint race there too. Our Melbourne Cup has now become a truely international race.
Fantastic. Thanks for a great video, so good to be able to watch the race here so soon. There'll be some toys thrown by the Kiwis and Aussies I reckon!
Mr. Katsuhiko Sumii, the trainer of Delta Blues and Pop Rock, can now put Victoire Pisa's 2011 Dubai World Cup win on his record. He has really become on the best trainers in the world and I hope he will bring some horses to future Melbourne Cup races.
711ATOM 11 months ago
Lol I remember watching the Caulfield Cup and after seeing Delta Blues get 3rd, immediately said that the horse would win the Cup. Being underage i got my dad to put $5 on it to win. $125 later.....
RaulForPresident 11 months ago
I backed Maybe Better e/w, dam I was pissed
SeriouslyWhatTheFark 1 year ago
i backed delta blues. Because it flew home to second in the caulfield cup that year. Got blocked and was at 80s. Paid 20 for the place. Came second in the caulfield and would have won in a canter if not blocked. A great day for the showdowman
shadowman32au 1 year ago
I Backed Mabey Better for the place
iloveleah12 1 year ago
I had money on Pop Rock.
I'll never forget. God damn it.
chasersbf 1 year ago
Yeats only finished 7th here, with the jockey Kieren Fallon stating that his mount just lacked his usual finishing kick and was not suited by the stop-start pace of the race. He was forced to make a big move a mile out to get to the front, ensuring that he maintained his speed for the finishing straight. Maybe we can make a match race between Yeats and Makybe Diva in a computer game called Melbourne Cup Challenge?
myfrobert 1 year ago
How in hell Delta Blues maintained a sprint for virtually the entire length of the Flemington straight absolutely boggles me. That is one tough horse!
emmelby 2 years ago
tough as nails this horse-incredible performance
scrappy5011 2 years ago
tough as nails-incredible run
scrappy5011 1 year ago
@emmelby tough as guts!Incredible run.
scrappy5011 1 year ago
I was going for Yeats (nice try boy)
TheHorseGames 2 years ago
What a stayer!! He ran near the head most of the way in huge pace as they swung into the turn and just kept going! A really strong win.
Lancaster300 2 years ago
what a race! haha i remember afterwards the interviewer went up and the winner couldn't speak english
lulurules 2 years ago
My last Melbourne Cup win. Go Delta, won me heaps!
pennywisealfie 2 years ago
ladies, can't we all just enjoy the video?
ramzevans 2 years ago
I've ridden Land n Stars!! I adore that little horse <3
Pliokota 2 years ago
What happened Yeats
jkamwal 2 years ago
do you mean what happened to him after this race? He went on to win another 2 Ascot Gold Cups (he won 4 in total, a record breaking win) and other Graded races. He was retired at the end of last season and now stands at Coolmore Stud in Ireland =)
If you meant in this race, I couldnt be sure. He never performed as well when abroad, especially as far as Australia. And I personally believe he preffered running right handed =)
Pliokota 2 years ago
Delta Blues against his stablemate Pop Rock? WHAT A BATTLE! I remember this so well. Delta Blues is an astounding horse too. Japan dominated the Cup that year for sure!
ThoroughbredWorld 2 years ago 7
yeats is still betta than all stayers
Ravenspass4life 3 years ago
I remember watching this! I still have newspaper cutouts on my wall of these three.
Zezima459 3 years ago
デルタもポップも日本でもこのくらいの走りをしてくれたら良かったのにな。 メルボルンカップがいつ始まったか分からないが、ライスシャワーにもぜひ走ってもらいたかったな。
minakosan0721 3 years ago
Backed the winner, to this day i still cant believe the odds it was, especially after its caulfirld cup run
colemann76 3 years ago
I remember in the age there was this prediction on who would come what. and if it did end up being the result i could have one a lot of money because i betted the first 7 finshes in the prediction
patav2 3 years ago
made my first ever horse racing bet on this race, was $6 on maybe better for a place, won bout $18, good times... made another bet on maybe better the next year but it got scratched...
waddltheduck 3 years ago
I tipped this Quinella, to bad i was 17 so didnt out any money on! SHIIIIIITT
kosmotom 3 years ago
how in the world did he hold on to win from leading at the top on the straight like that gutsy win
balthazarsmith 3 years ago 2
I enjoyed this video very much. Please can you put on youtube videos of Aussie Jumpraces, especially Warrnambool Grand Annual Steeple-chase as many different years as possible. Thanks
coulson234 4 years ago
2006年に行われた、メルボルンカップの映像ですね、日本から参戦した、デルタブルース・ポップロックの、日本産馬のワンツーフィニッシュは、最高です、綺麗に映っていて、Ａｅｓｉｒ5さん、よかったです。
airsmapire 4 years ago
omg i had a bet on pop rock. nearly had meself from cash
Saron122 4 years ago
I've got the 2007 cup video up
melbcup07 4 years ago
woooo efficient is da bomb....i went for him in the 2006 cup and i put "go efficient" on my undies and then i turned on the tv to find out he was scratched...and i told everyone and then my great uncle who is a trainer said he wouldn't of won anyway coz he was too young...and he won this year :)
I am so proud that i neva lossed faith in him....everyoen around me was screamign out either...purple moon or master O'reilley(the favourite) and i picked that purple moon would come second :)
obsession2192 4 years ago
You should be happy everyone lost faith because he paid more than $20.
BrainPain13 4 years ago
yeah but only put 15 bucks on him haha
obsession2192 4 years ago
Good for you :)) Something's better than zippo
tigerrish 4 years ago
The English may not have the greatest record in the race but i sure did love the run from Mahler in the cup.
How many horses can sit in the death seat , in the melbourne cup and end up running 3rd ?
Not Many !
Hes a good honest young horse and if hes back next year ill be backing him
sdahowr 4 years ago
His run was no diff to what we've seen before. But, he is a young horse and if they really want to have a fair crack next year, then its ripe for him.
But I still stand by the same reasoning, the English wont win this race if they continue to do the same things every year. Close enough is not good enough
tigerrish 4 years ago
Yeah i totally agree . . they need a lead up race.
Imagine he had a lead up run though ?
He could of quite possibly won
I think Aidan O'Brian is a little arrogant and cocky with the way he goes about the melbourne cup.
I'd bet my mum on him giving his horses a lead up race next year !
sdahowr 4 years ago
Your mum know your putting her up as a stake??
Im betting he wont do anything of the sort, he knew what was required last year with Yeats and he left all the training to the jockey. He may be a great trainer in the UK, but if he keeps bringing his horses down here and approach it with the same fashion, then he will be going home with nothing.
tigerrish 4 years ago
Was entitled to pay that too, his form was average, the worst since Tawriffic won it. Though his run in the Cox plate wasnt that bad, he still wasnt going that well.
tigerrish 4 years ago
The guys behind Purple Moon trained him for the race, they didnt piss-fart around by staying at Sandown and loaf around for a mth. He was a real chance and ran like it, the only thing going for the UK horses is that alot of them now know that they can make the running in the race and thats there only chance of winning
tigerrish 4 years ago
Purple Moon was bought for almost £500,000, the most expensive Flat horse ever bought at public auction to go jumping & they probably had our Cheltenham festival & the 2 mile Champion Hurdle as a long term goal. He ran twice over hurdles, winning a novice race at odds on & beaten in another & jumped poorly & slowly, spending too much time in the air & so they went "back to the drawing board" with him. He then won our Ebor Hanicap on the flat & then ran in your Melb Cup almost as an afterthought.
amazed66 3 years ago
"Almost as an afterthought" Now you are showing how ill informed you are. To state a top trainer bought a horse to the other side of the world as an after thought is lame. The guy did nothing of the sort, in fact if you did your research properly you'd see the Cumani's actually set the horses program a year out. They had planned the trip well in advance. Enjoy the race again this year, the only ones from there who have a hope are Weld and Cumani, the rest have no idea. Remember Marienbard?
tigerrish 3 years ago
LOL at ME being ill informed. I've been polite up until now & just dealt with facts, despite your odd insult but now you are talking bollocks mate. If YOU did YOUR research properly you'd know (although I've already told you this) that he was bought to go hurdling & Cumani only got him a few months before because his other trainer didn't hold a flat licence, so how exactly Cumani "set the horses program a year out" is beyond me. LMFAO
amazed66 3 years ago
You came on here want evidence of runners from UK, after I told you, you then went looking and saw for yourself. Maybe you should have done that in the first place. Facts dont lie mate, you should suck it up and realise this race isnt as easy to win as some of you and your compatriots think and while they keep coming with the wrong idea, they will go home empty handed. When the Aust travel to Europe they take the same approach to races as the locals thats why they win more. Starcraft did it too
tigerrish 3 years ago
I didn't need you telling me anything as I already knew & disagreed with your numbers, plus I didn't go looking for anything (other than exact weights) as I knew things from memory about how our best horses always gave weight, it was only the lesser ones who weren't good enough anyway getting low weights & that's why some of our jumps trainers even started sending runners. I also realise the race isn't easy to win & it's even harder to win unless you send your best horses, which we often don't.
amazed66 3 years ago
Well if you're claiming Starcraft as an AUS winner in GB then Jeune is a GB winner of the Melbourne Cup as officially Starcraft was trained by Cumani when he raced in GB & spent about 4 months here and so had to be tranfered into GB trainership. It also proves my point about becoming acclimitised as he took runs to get settled in, plus was also racing over a shorter distance and off level weights. Jeune did all of his racing in GB before having one run for Hayes & winning the Melbourne Cup.
amazed66 3 years ago
@amazed66 He didn't have one run for Hayes in Australia lmao, he had 7 races before the Melbourne Cup (including a G1 Underwood win) and had another 17 runs for Hayes after the Melbourne Cup LOL.
TheDLPVideos 8 months ago
@TheDLPVideos if that's the case then fair enough and I don't claim to be any expert on Australian racing but remember Jeune from UK racing, so looked up the horse's career runs record on the Racing Post website and it only had the last 3 runs listed with Hayes as the trainer and the first of those was for the Melbourne Cup win.
amazed66 6 months ago
The difference between you and me mate is that anything I say I can back up with facts or else I wouldn't say it, whereas you just say things off the top of your head and hope or assume that they are right. Nothing amuses me more than when someone else is wrong and talking shit yet have the nerve to tell other people that THEY are. LOL
amazed66 3 years ago
Sadly you cant accept the fact that these trainers with a couple of exceptions, approach the race wrongly. These trainers are given an entire racecourse for their sole use whilst here, while local trainers have to make do with what they have. Its layed out on a platter yet the race is treated with contempt, the ride by Fallon on Yeats 2 years ago is a prime example. Had the goose rode the horse properly he would have gone close to winning.
tigerrish 3 years ago
Where do I deny our trainers approach it wrongly? If I were a GB owner & really wanted to win the race, I'd do what Jeune's owner did & have my horse transfered out well in advanced to get climatises & maybe even have a prep race, but don't know is that allowed or would I officially have to change to an AUS trainer like Jeune? Yeats (top weight again) a 2½ miles horse had already won his main target the Ascot Gold Cup so Fallon tried making it a test of stamina as he was dropping back in trip.
amazed66 3 years ago
Yeah I remember Marienbard, a horse that onlt ever won all but 1 of his races over 1½ miles & didn't get the 2½ miles trip when they tried him over it, nor 2 miles when dropped out at the back here to try to last out, which is asking a lot by having to come wide through a big field & beaten horses. He later went on to win the Prix de l'Arc de Triomphe though which was more to his trip but O'Brien & Godolphin want to win this race so will bring a runner every year, whether ideally suited or not.
amazed66 3 years ago
Mate all youve done is make excuses and said that horses have been bought here for the richest handicap in the world, as an after thought. You havent done your home work at all, you keep carrying on about the weights the UK horses get, numerous have had very soft weights including the two winners from the UK. All you do is bang on about a minority of horses given large weights yet fail to mention the Aust horses who manage to win with bigger weights ie Efficient carring more than PM and Mahler
tigerrish 3 years ago
I'm in danger of being and becoming bored now because all I seem to be doing is repeating reasons, not excuses that I've already made. I only said Purple Moon was brought here as an afterthought and he was, he'd already won his main target the Ebor (the richest handicap in Europe) and under those circumstances coming to AUS wouldn't have been that expensive and I'm sure your authorities even help with the expenses, and if he mananged to win any prize money then that would have been a bonus too.
amazed66 3 years ago
hey dickhead the two european horses that won were from ireland not the uk.
sceanable 2 years ago
If you bothered to read my other posts you cretin, you would see that Im well aware of where they are from.
Technicality yes, would you like me to always use the term European horses?
It makes no difference, the horses being sent here from the UK, Ireland, Europe etc arent up to the level.
You managed to scroll down this far, then go back and read everything you fuckhead.
tigerrish 2 years ago
i quote" , numerous have had very soft weights including the two winners from the UK. "you might be happy waving your little union jacks when the queen comes calling,But we are not.get your facts straight mate dont label us with the uk
sceanable 2 years ago
Efficient wins 2007 Emirates Melbourne Cup (Race 7)
ClintCodey 4 years ago
hey hey hey! farkell44 leave the aussies alone, you may have a problem with some of us but don't go saying shit like that!
jamsiejoe 4 years ago
Lets face it,it aint as good as the Grand National and should be called the Australian Cesarewitch
bonioskutzel 4 years ago
You dickhead, its the richest staying race in the world. And you English keep trying to win it and cant.
You English are still pissed about sending your criminals to paradise arent you?
Lets face it dickhead, we live in a better place than you, we are better at sports than you and we have a more popular horse race than you. Keep send those hacks over here cos we love to watch you all get whipped.....again
tigerrish 4 years ago
I reckon they'd be happy to have us be good at sports, if it means that they can be a nation that doesn't have unintelligent retards in it...
motu34 4 years ago
If thats the case, then they havent done a very good job then have they? They are poor at most sports and are as thick as planks, their approach to this race is testiment to that.
tigerrish 4 years ago
Nah they're alot more intelligent than Australians. And they put more emphasis on education, in England intellects are applauded, in Australia yobbo sportpeople are applauded
motu34 4 years ago
If the English are so intelligent, why cant they win this race then? An Irishman has won it twice, geez even the Japanese went one/two in this one!
And I dont see whats intelligent about sending your convicts to paradise while everyone else stays in a cold depressing place
tigerrish 4 years ago
Because they don't care. It's just a stupid horse race.
And I'm not saying we don't have a beautiful conutry. I much prefer living here than England.
Like, in Aus, if you're smart, you're a nerd, or a geek, or whatever, and the greatest achievement one can acomplish in their life is win an AFL grand final. In England, if you're smart then you're not mocked, you're applauded, and though they do love their sports, they realise that it's not everything.
motu34 4 years ago
You say sports in Eng is not everything? Why then do people get bashed at ELP games all because they have the wrong colors on? I have a mate who lives here who is an Evertonian and has been bashed in the street in Liverpool, all because he had an Everton juersey on. We take our sport seriously, but its sport and thats it and when the games over everyone gets along, thats what sport is all about. We have the climate where outdoor activities are promoted more, so of course sport is going to be big
tigerrish 4 years ago
Because they don't care. It's just a dumb horse race.
And I'd much prefer to live in Aus than the UK, but it's not my point. My point is that in Aus, if you're intelligent, you're mocked, called a nerd, and generally put down because you're smarter, and we instead idolise our sportsmen. Whereas living in England showed me that though they love their sports, its OK to be smart, it's infact applauded.
motu34 4 years ago
Do you know who the Aust of the year was last year, he is a scientist.
tigerrish 4 years ago
They have the last few years in fact. But this is my point. If you said who is more popular Australian of the Year, Tim Flannery or Steve Waugh, the latter would clearly win.
motu34 4 years ago
I won the Quinella on this race!
skycruiser777 4 years ago
i got a trifecta in 2004 :D
obsession2192 4 years ago
I got the quinella again this year... ;) $100 @ $58.70! do the math... ;)
skycruiser777 4 years ago
hahah u and i shoudl team up on the betting...we'd be unstopable haha....my whole entire family asks who to go for every year ahhah...and im only a 15 yr old girl
obsession2192 4 years ago
I actually wrote in a forum who my top 3 were, my top 3 were 1 off, I missed Mahler but got efficient, purple moon & zipping..If I got Mahler and bet on the quad I'd have made nearly $700,000.!
I only bet once a year on the cup...had very good success!
skycruiser777 4 years ago
You aren't even worth a reply....have fun......whatever. Honestly.
elfling 4 years ago
i love this brings back great memories
smarterchild321 4 years ago
yeats should have won the race. not fair puttin all that weight on his back cos he's the best. watch for septimus this year if he goes. on level weights lets see how a real horse does.
farkell44 4 years ago
Septimus and YEats are both non-runners
Aidan O'Brien is only sending Scorpion and Mahler
I must say, however, DO NOT BACK MAHLER!!!
He is a European 3-year-old, and 3-year-olds have a REALLY bad record in the Cup.
andyoutsider21 4 years ago
Scorpion's lame.
Mahler is a rising 4yr old thrown in with 50kgs. The Australian 3yr olds that have run in the Cup are a lot less mature when they run so it's hard to draw a line...
In fact I can't find any record of a Northern hemisphere bred 4yr old having run in the Cup's history.
I'd be more concerned at him being an entire. Like a fucking horny teenager at this age.
blackmourning11 4 years ago
It's a handicap race.
The runners are weighted with the idea being that all horses finish together, a 24 horse dead heat.
2005 was the exception.
blackmourning11 4 years ago
Mahler has a chance. 2nd in the english oaks. nothin on his back. I hope he wins. stick it up the aussies
farkell44 4 years ago
Mahler has two chances of winning.....
Fuck all and none
tigerrish 4 years ago
English Oaks is for girls not boys.
BrainPain13 4 years ago
A real horse?? You Europeans have been saying that for 20 years and the only one who was good enough came out of an Irish stable. Yeats tried last year and ran like a donkey and it was all thanks to the idiot who rode him. Would you like a list of all the English horses who have tried and failed? It gets longer every year.
tigerrish 4 years ago
Yeah I'd like a list please as I very much doubt it's be 20 years that English horses have been coming over in any great numbers but will be first to apologise if I'm wrong.
Even when they have come over, it's usually been 1-3 English horses agaisnt the rest and maybe none have won as that's just due to the odds being in favour of the numbers and English trained horses have finshed in the places on more than one occasion so they can't be doing much wrong either.
amazed66 3 years ago
During the mid 80's, several European horses were imported with winning the Cup in mind. The first horses to be trained from outside Australasia to come for the Cup came in '93 the yr Vintage Crop won. From '93 there have been 60 internationals compete with 3 winners and an additional 12 placegetters. Compare that to the Aust horses who have competed in Europe in the last 15 years, you can see how poor it is.
tigerrish 3 years ago
So can you put a number on this "several" European horses that came over during the 80s because I don't remember too many and if I have 5 fingers on one hand and hold up 4 of them, you could say I'm holding up several but it's hardly a lot. I'm also really only replying here for the GB horses as they are the ones I know better but you start off by saying European horses and then end up with 60international ones, well how many of those international ones were GB horses?
amazed66 3 years ago
The GB/Irish horses seem to get lumbered with their fair share of weight too, plus the race comes at the end of a long season for us & sometimes the horses can be "over the top." I think you also maybe overdo the AUS success in GB too as there's only been a few at R Ascot & over short straight course distances where it's off level weights & basically point & go, & you'd be unlucky or would be bad riding not to get a clear run, compared to the hustle & bustle of a Melbourne Cup & tight turns.
amazed66 3 years ago
Mate, instead of asking me to look for you, why dont you do a bit of homework and stop guessing. Of those 60 Internationals, 3 have been from Japan and 2 from Hong Kong. That leaves 55 from GB for a miserly 2 wins and 11 places. The runners I speak of from the 80's were imported and trained locally.
The most important factor to you is the fact that not one English trained horse has won the race, both winners were trained by an Irishman.
tigerrish 3 years ago
LOL but you're the one saying 60 not me. There's been 30 odd GB horses run in the race since '96 and 4 ran in it twice, 2 Irish horses have run more than once too, plus 1 SA & 1 GER. Are you counting NZ horses as internationals? Maybe no English trained horses have won but a few have come very close in photo finishes, giving lumps of weight away to Aussie horses that were nowhere near their class and would have been slaughtered in a level weights race over here like any of our Gold Cups. :)
amazed66 3 years ago
Would you like to list all the UK runners who had to "lump" big weights and give big weights to our horses? We recently had a mare who carried 58kg, 2.5kg above WFA and win. There hasnt been a UK runner attempt that. Treat the race with contempt like it has been then all these trainers will go home without the trophy. The only one whos had enough common sense has been Weld and hes the only one to win it, twice.
tigerrish 3 years ago
Blue Monday was top weight last year and although he was officially AUS trained, he was having his first run for the new trainer having raced in GB, a bit like the winner of teh race Jeune in 1994.
Yeats was top weight in 2006 and when Makybe Diva was in 2005 she still shared in with an IRE runner. GB horses were also top weight in '03, 01, '00, a GB runner was 1lb off top in '99 and another was jt top in '98. I could go on but am running out of characters that I'm allowed to type here. :)
amazed66 3 years ago
The only European runner to carry more than WFA was Vinnie Roe. Mate all youve doen here is made an arguement with facts that make it seem as though they carry the grandstand and its never been the case. Eg: Efficient carried 5kg (thats what the weight scale is in the MC) more than Mahler, who was bottom weight. All youve done is compared a few horses with what the winner carried. It makes you sound stupid mate because most smart people know the diff, you dont.
tigerrish 3 years ago
I'm not talking about WFA, I'm stating that obviously your handicapper thinks our horses are classier than yours as most years we top the weights & so our form must be considered better than yours. Weight can stop a train & maybe when you compare like with like & have one of your runners come over here & win a distance handicap giving weight to our horses, instead of a level weight 5f sprint that's over in under a minute, then you might have a point. And how do facts make me sound stupid btw? :)
amazed66 3 years ago
Jardines Lookout was only beaten 4 lengths 3rd when giving the winner 10lbs, Give the Slip was ¾L 2nd giving the winner 7lbs & Persian Punch in 3rd giving 10lbs. Central Park was beaten ½L giving the winner 17lbs. Persian Punch was again beaten a nk & ½L in 3rd giving the winner 11lbs & you tell me I'm guessing. LOL
Oh and I also forgot to mention that a number of our horses weren't going to win the race anyway as they were employed as pacemakers to set the pace for stable companions.
amazed66 3 years ago
We've heard all the same excuses when the UK horses fail, and youve highlighted them yet again. Are you suggesting these horses have come over here with the owners and trainers knowing they wont win because of the excuses you just gave? Expensive exercise if you bring a horse whos "over the top" isnt it? Are you suggesting that Godolphin arent professional enough to see their horses have had enough and shouldnt travel? Take a look at the weights some have been given, look at Mahler from last yr
tigerrish 3 years ago
Reasons not excuses, some of our horses are on the go since Jan & run 7-8 times a season, which is a lot here & to be able to keep tuned up all season. Your race is a great race & for decent money but it's never the main target for any of our horses. There are sporting owners who want to win the race so bring over horses, whether good enough of not or the top ones get lumbered with weight, Mahler wasn't a top one & was only 6th best of O'Brien's in our Derby and 11th of 17th in the race overall.
amazed66 3 years ago
I never said Mahler was the best, I stated he was lightly weighted, he was the bottom weight when he ran. Vintage Crop carried 55kg when he won and Media Puzzle was down the list of weights also. You just reiterated my point, 30 runners in 11 yrs for a return of one win. You keep saying they arent targetting the race because they are up all season. Thats exactly my point that you have backed up, if these horses come with the race being the main focus, they will go home empty handed, as they have
tigerrish 3 years ago
I made the point that the best GB & IRE horses were burdened with weight & then you said Mahler had a low weight, so I responded by saying Mahler wasn't one of O'Brien's best, which was why he obviously got a low weight. I'm only ever respoding to your specific points made. Vintage Crop was one of the first IRE horses to come over & maybe once he won it, that didn't prove too popular & others we given more than they should have so as not to see the Melbourne Cup be won by non-Aussies.
amazed66 3 years ago
Pop rock sholuld ahve won.....He drew level with him then laid in a few times....Oliver was spewin....
seanybob78 4 years ago
Oliver was outriden by the Jap.
blackmourning11 4 years ago
Think the Europeans should sit up and take notice of what the Japanese did here, they gave there runners good solid training and a lead up run to such a tough race,just as everyone else does. You cant win this race by just loafing around Sandown for weeks on end, Vintage Crop was a freak, he could not race for a year and still be competitive. The English should wakeup and start doing as everyone else or keep getting beaten, but they keep treating this race with inept attitudes
tigerrish 4 years ago
I am sorry elfling, but I have to agree that Delta Blues is a Japanese horse. He doesnt have Japanese pedigree but he is a horse raised through Japanese training and is owned by Japanese. Therefore, he is as Japanese as you can get. If you want to be specific about breeding, then we can say Makybe Diva, Phar Lap, Carbine and Tulloch are not Australian. These horses werent bred in Australia, but are considered Australian. Please choose your words better before you offend others.
andyoutsider21 4 years ago
Makybe Diva is considered an import, not Australian, as were Jeune, At Talaq, Istidaad etc.
New Zealand breeds fall into the bracket of "Australasian" Only the very good ones somehow become Australian.
blackmourning11 4 years ago
New Zealand breeds the best horses........so much that the #1 horse in their history is a Kiwi horse. Shut the hell up already
elfling 4 years ago
There was a time when New Zealand did breed the best thoroughbreds but that is well in the past.
BTW, who is the #1 horse you are talking about?
blackmourning11 4 years ago
Wow you imbecile....you need to get some pointers sorry
elfling 4 years ago
Prolly cos for over a hundred years monopoly money was worth more than the kiwi dollar
tigerrish 4 years ago
oh I cant wait to 2007 Mebourne Cup!
sleepingducky 5 years ago
>elfling
You mean you can't tell DB as an 'Japanese horse' just because its ancestors were not born in Japan? Well in that point, you can't tell Horlicks as a NZ horse because its father Three Legs was born in Britain. You put the facts, but they didn't make sense...lol
neojappy 5 years ago
Was the horse borne in Japan? No. Shut the fuck up and don't bother me again
elfling 4 years ago
Of course he is Japanesse, they have whale meat in his feed bin.
His sire is Dance In The Dark, who was also bred in Japan.
Bred In The Dark is by Sunday Silence.
blackmourning11 4 years ago
What i said was never racist you cretin. I stated the facts, that obviously you couldn't handle. F you at any rate, prick wang...ker
elfling 5 years ago
That was my birthday. I lost my money on the cup and got smashed off my face. Woke up next to a creek about 1.5 kms from the pub. LOL! Lost my phone and glasses but luckily I got them back.
It was a memorable 21st. Walking home 3 kms at 3 in the morning drunk off my face. LOL!
Good times :D
Donnie2020 5 years ago
One thing tho...i've seen many posts congratulating "japanese" horses. Look, the Japs are good at buying good horses but that doesn't mean by far that they know their stuff when it comes to breeding. Delta blues is a full on American horse PERIOD. Have a look on Wikipedia. He's not japanese not even by far. Here in New Zealand the japs come and buy horses like there's no tomorrow. That doesn't mean they are Japanese horses there is NO such thing. They have ZERO breeding tradition.
elfling 5 years ago
JAPANESE horses,one n two.that's all.
badboyboogie 5 years ago
Japanese BOUGHT horses you mean, rather. They weren't bred in Japan.
elfling 5 years ago
wasnt torqeet the favourite any way congratulations
Danio9 5 years ago
blody yeates, i lost my money on him
mickyounis 5 years ago
yayyyy japann
WillBePilot 5 years ago
Awesome Japanese Horses
Warbizkit 5 years ago
I backed Pop Rock. Awesome race though =D
ezza0ezza 5 years ago
Yes! Go Delta Blues!! Amazing .. $_$ Glad I backed that horse!
IIXnII 5 years ago
This was an amazing race. Delta Blues absolutely smoked them what a beast of a horse. Reminded me lots of beautiful kiwi Brew back in 2000
elfling 5 years ago
Thanks for the Vid. Wasn't able to watch the live net-cast, so this is the next best thing. Thanks heaps. 1,2 Japanese horses! Didn't see it coming, but good on the Japanese!
RMWill 5 years ago
Good on the Japanese. Now we just need a New Zealand horse to win, hehe, its been a few years
ggboy01 5 years ago
im happy for the japanese! i'm glad the euro'd didn't win it. they really just dont understand our style of racing. yeats cant make his move at the 900m and expect to grind away to a victory as the do in england. our horses aswell as japanese horses have the ability to sit and sprint
SUNDANCE906 5 years ago
thanks for that! i missed it, but for good reason - im a stablehand in maybe betters barn :D
lifelike001 5 years ago
very good post. Awesome win for Delta Blues
brianclough 5 years ago
thanks for that, fantastic race!
flyingchilders 5 years ago
Thanks, I was counting on you to post the Melbourne cup. I'm in Spain and although I read the results, I want to see the race. Congratulations to the Japanese camp and to Japan in general. They always spoil me over there!!
acrobatterry 5 years ago
Thanks for posting this. I watched in Sri Lanka.
musidiablo 5 years ago
Alot of us Aussies are happy for the Japanese. In the past we have won the Japan Cup and Takeover Target recently won a G1 sprint race there too. Our Melbourne Cup has now become a truely international race.
mourning11 5 years ago
Yes! Thanks heaps from Japan! You're a legend!
jdcb42 5 years ago
Fantastic. Thanks for a great video, so good to be able to watch the race here so soon. There'll be some toys thrown by the Kiwis and Aussies I reckon!
kmb771 5 years ago
Thank you sooo much!!!! Our lunch here in Indianapolis is now complete!!!! Your awesome, Cheers!!!! Sue xo
aussie7965 5 years ago