I share this to friends over Facebook but unfortunately it seems that wanting to expand my understanding of social conflicts and becoming class conscious is abnormal for someone that has just graduated high school. So my friends ignore this, shame shame shame.
Jeez, I'm 15 and I used to be into philosophy and questioning before I came to politics, and now I'm hooked on Zinn. Everything he says and stands for is captivating for me, he speaks the truth.
yeah, unfortunately, I did not find this stuff out till after a stint in the US Marines, then a tour in the US Army. I was fighting because I was indoctrinated into believing that we were right, that might makes right and that there is no one who can question the God given direction of the USA. Propaganda works, we learned well. Today the news is not news, it is manufactured consent and i won't listen any more. Keep listening, please.
I believe that values and knowledge learnt in the elementary school years define your character; in that sense, exposing children to any kind of socialist ideas or values is a form of child abuse, this Zinn guy could have been saved, instead he went on to become one of the prominent socialist of USA.
Those who are condeming conservatives and foxnews and Glenn Beck followers, please lissten to your words carefully. Y'all are damning ones ideas, because of your own ideas. Instead, how about give intellegent debating material, and just talk about it? Why bash one for just simple ideas? For their beliefs? We all have them. We TALK about ideas instead of fighting over them. This is what SEPERATES us from animals. Be civialized.
@Obeeone1 i appreciate what you're saying but the typically the people you are mentioning are ideologues and propagandists completely devoid of any intellectual curiosity will not be able to see anything that does not reinforce what they already 'know'. They have no critical approach to the problems they discuss. They are effective at politics because they know how to play on pathos, to tap into and hijack the discourse by manipulating emotional undercurrents. US Leftists do this too but less.
I've read Howard Zinn books. And I've read Ron Paul books. Strange, but I think if they met, they'd be friends. They're both skeptical of power-seekers, intelligent, sincere, and too good at writing to be very engaging interviewees. Plus they disagree enough to keep each other interested. Just a thought.
@PremiseTester I think you are right. Both Paul and Zinn are honest intellectuals. They may have very different politics but they would be able to have an amazing conversation, I'm sure of it. I cannot say that about anyone else in the GOP leadership race today.
I have heard a few times that most historians dont truly take Howard Zinn seriously, and i think that is okay, most historians look at macro-history, view it as a series of events which lead to the present, but Howard Zinn does something quite novel i think, he looks at history as more of a narrative, then he tells that narrative "through the voices of those who lived it." of course i am admittedly biased on the matter.
@oldstock1607 that is a fair point, and you're probably not wrong i think (and at this point i would also like to admit that i am not an expert on the matter), but it seems to me that a project like the peoples history necessitates that sort of polemic writing because it is looking at history through a different sort of lens, it rejects the premises that are well established and considers a different historical paradigm, but then again i, admittedly, havent read all the most recent scholarship.
@papelhojas Indeed, everything that appears in "A People's History" is true and accurate. But the book, despite its popularity, little more than a catologue of Anglo-American crimes against non-white peoples. It is famous BECAUSE it is a polemic, and unfortunately that sort of anglo-bashing plays far too prominent a role in history teaching today. There are leftist profs out there that feel that everything American kids need to know about their nation's history can be found in Zinn's book.
@oldstock1607 that is true, and i think that it is apparent to some degree that i have sympathy for the professors and teachers that you are talking about, and also agree that sometimes their bias does color their lessons, but nearly without exception (in my experience) the aforementioned educators were available only at a college level. History, as it is studied in high school and before, seems to me to be shaded with a sort of western righteousness, and i think its important to self examine
@oldstock1607 Excuse me, but I never heard anything about the history that Zinn has done. But luckily I was pulled out of Elementary and was home schooled.
I read the chapter on the Great Depression from APHUS for history and it was obviously the best, most comphrehensive source I had for my essay--I intend to read the entire book in the near future.
I was fortunate enough to read Zinn's People's history of the United States before I began to observe American politics. I am so humbled by so many people who fought for their basic human rights which we now cherish and yet they have no place in Hollywood movies or history books. There are way too many brave selfless people in this country to let the rich and ignorant thugs take it down.
I'm 16 years old. I just finished reading a people's history of the united states of america by this man. It was by far the greatest book on any subject I have ever read. I wish like anything to have been able to listen to Mr. Zinn in a lecture when he was alive. He will be missed.
@patsfan124 FYI: Alternative Radio in Boulder, Colorado (run by David Barsamian) has an excellent audio collection of speeches and interviews with Zinn. Check with Radio Free Maine as well.
@patsfan124 Good for you and yes, he is a wellspring of experience, strength, hope and a reality of truth that we must all learn to embrace. I only regret that I never met him in person. What an amazing human being.
I'm a 24 year old dude from (probly) the dumbest country in Europe, Belgium. And i'm reading his book because history always fascinated me and i gotta say...WOW! i'm utterly shocked while i'm reading it because it's so good and acurate and my god... When will it end to have a mindset like 'having proverty is the way to go'. Sad to say, the white man fucked it all up to be really free. it's pretty amazing nothing has changed. Columbus can suck my balls :)
@ehunter2 exactly. But Is it really necessary to call names? If you can grow your own food (water shouldn't be a problem) all the things you've mentioned by white capitalist men can go to hell for all i care. And show some respect. No need to be arrogant. Everyone has a different view. Thats why it's great to discuss.
@ehunter2 When did i said i was against capitalism? I'm not against it, but there is however a big problem with capitalism cause there are some winners and a whole lotta losers. And i know how the market system works. And yes, it works for alot of people but isn't it a bit selfish to think that our 'civilised' western society is doing 'great' within the culture while millions of people are starving and dying? T. Mckenna once said this: our world is in danger because of the absence of good ideas
@ehunter2 Maybe you should tell me your perspective without making a joke out of everything. What is it that you wanna tell me i've never heard before? Without the sarcasm. Please tell me, good sir. i'm strapped in. I think it's pointless to do so anyway, because we're 2 jackoffs behind a computer typing our opinions... Besides i don't think you fully understand what i meant before. "Equality of Misery?"... please....
@ehunter2 Oh yes i agree on that part. But there is something towards life (for myself atleast) that is more than government or business or whatever 'ism' you want to call it. Everybody is different and that is cool but thx to ideas like (you obviously like) capitalism/consumerism/business, it creates contempt, death, war, dishonesty, competition etc. This is not intelligent human behaviour if you ask me. Isn't insanity repeating the same thing over again? This world hasn't changed much.
@ehunter2 i'm from Belgium so sorry in advance for my spelling. you seem like a wellread guy but i just don't agree with you on some parts. Thats all. Take it eazy.
Dr. Noam Chomsky recently told Iranian TV that at the time the US attacked Afganistan, they had no evidence that al Qaeda was guilty. See my video "Chomsky on Faith-based Wars and 9/11"
Zinn seems to claim that because his parents worked hard but didn't get as rich as the elites, then the whole system was rotten.
He fails to recognise that it has usually been much worse throughout history. What made his parents' situation different was that by working hard, they could guarantee food and a roof, not to mention adequate security for their son to achieve even greater success should he CHOOSE to do something other than manual blue-collar work.
currently reading "A People's History of the United States" I am on page 623. I changed my whole way of thinking, or as a matter of fact , confirmed my way of thinking. I now have facts and intellect to back up all the accusations I make against our system of government, whatever it be, I am able to express my views with articulation against this corrupt government.
"There is absolutely nothing in Howard Zinn's intellectual output that is worthy of any kind of respect," Horowitz declared in the NPR story. "Zinn represents a fringe mentality which has unfortunately seduced millions of people at this point in time. So he did certainly alter the consciousness of millions of younger people for the worse."
That must be it. Couldn't have anything to do with a first generation American in a position of influence promoting destructive ideas, illegal immigration, cultural pollution, communism, racial conflict.
@Gulfporter Quoting Horowitz is like quoting Palin or Limbaugh or Beck. It speaks volumes as to the limited, TV-shaped viewpoint someone must have to be so laughably cluless as to quote an idiotic, reactionary, publicity-seeking media whore like Horowitz.
Thank you for sharing. Perhaps Zinn should have returned to his parents country of origin and attacked his own culture. Then, I not only wouldn't know who is was, but I wouldn't have to deal with moronic assholes from Democratic Underground who worship him and the craggy old alcoholic Amy Goodman. Have a nice day.
@Gulfporter Can you please elaborate on the concept of "moronic asshole?" I'm not familiar with this terminology in reference to, well, critical analysis of anything. Weighed against Dr. Zinn's analysis of American history, I'm not sure I'm ready to throw in with your interpretation of US history and foreign policy. Speaking of that, exactly what is your idea of American history again? Have a nice day.
Professor Zin said:"Pitiful risks" about what one might lose as a "truth teller". That's how people who have in a way destroyed the comfortable illusions that the system creates speak. To us weak materialistic bunch, unfortunately it does take courage to do the right thing and to speak up against injustice especially when we're not touched directly by the latter.
While I disagree with much of what Zinn says, I do have to say he is infinitely better then the majority the these Tea-party (Tea-baggers) jerks that are overwhelming the American right.
Of course the right hates this guy, anyone who doesn't promote their extremist conservative views is a "liberal elite".
This guy is a classic example of the general who is still fighting the last war... he just doesn't get the the world, and the average working member of society, has moved on...
It is unfortunate, for he judges the past with current standards, standards that simply did not exist then and thus they cannot be blamed for. He criticizes those who have brought the nation to this point yet forgets to credit them for bringing the nation to this point, making him a hypocrite in the truest of senses.
Wow, such humility and insight. What I love is that he talks without using jargon. Simple but deep like looking through clear ocean water. Anyone can pick up his books, or hear his speeches and feel the cobwebs of doubts taken away. His points of veiw about anarchy also need to be heard in Junior High and High Schools to use teenage rebellion in a positive way, and to support youthful idealism.
The capitalist system is sociopathic. Zinn knew this, and his calm, steady way of anatomizing its pathology provides us an invaluable example. However it's not a solution, or even a rigorous analysis. I fear we're too late--capital, gone global, is now coming up against its absolute material limits. We need something much more drastic. Like Zizek suggests, what we need is a terrifying new materialism, an analysis, and a movement, that shakes everything to its very roots.
Howard Zinn is a welfare queen and a parasite who hasn't contributed at all to anyone or anything. He's endorsed and aided the massacres of innocent people and promoted widespread persecution and tyranny. Capitalism allows people to give the world everything that is moral which is why Communists have never helped anybody. If you're a Communist, you want to torture people.
"If you're a Communist, you want to torture people.".... Hahahahahaha - Even though my troll-detector is going off, I'm going to remember this quote just in case somebody ever asks me to give an example of a non sequitur.
It's not a non sequitur because Howard Zinn is a Communist(member of CPUSA). People force us to read his garbage history that throws out historical facts and evidence for his political interpretations. There's a big national debt, increased government interference in the economy, and huge decline in manufacturing. This is all on top of a general attack on math and science from pseudo-American bureaucrats that worship Howard Zinn. He's done a lot of damage.
The man gave money to people so they could shoot at American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians for crying out loud. He supported the torturing of Americans at Hanoi. He was a monster.
@Drregaleagle Wasn't our government giving money to the Anti-communist government to do the exact same thing to communist soldiers and civilians for opposing the dictatorship in South Vietnam?
What kind of jackass condones the torture of other people's soldiers but then whines when his or hers own solidiers get killed?
I'm no fan of communism but from my research the communists were never significantly worse than the anti-communists who opposed them.
Hi. You sound like a reasonable intelligent guy. I would like to make a request. When you write "communism" in reference to the USSR, you are really referring to "state capitalism," not communism. Communism by definition is stateless and classless. Russia was not. The dictators called themselves communists for propaganda purposes. The U.S. called them communists, because communism is a dangerous idea to those in power, i.e. the U.S. seized the opportunity to dirty the word.
@ehunter2 Actually my "research" consisted of going through government archives, collections of communiqués between foreign embassies (FRUS), declassified CIA documents, and testimony about the Vietnam War by both American and Vietnamese Veterans of the conflict. Also my father was a veteran of the Vietnam War, was the farthest thing from a hippie, and he agreed that most of my conclusions are accurate.
Your "research" probably consists of Glenn Beck and films like "Flight of the Intruder".
@ehunter2 Actually the education I received in Elementy school tended to be in favor of the Vietnam War and very rarely questioned the idea that our government has always been good and just to everyone. It wasn't until I was in High School that I found out embarrassing facts like Ho Chi Mihn worked for the US during WWII to fight the Japanese or that (and the source on this is the CIA) if free elections were granted in South Vitenam in 1954 80% of the voters would have voted communist.
@majordbag2 The famous Zinn style of history. Take something out of its real context.
Isolate some factoid that will impress the adolescent mind that the adults are "hypocrits" and let
ignorance do the rest. The real context of Vietnam War was the relentless advance of Communism 1917. All of Eastern Europe, hundreds of regions inside of the USSR, all of China, Cuba, South America, Korea, India, all crushed by Communism. And your take?... finding some fault by the adults here in the USA.
@ehunter2 im not a commie nut but cuba has a better healthcare system than you and china is taking over the world through capitalism. he is simply argiung that war is nt the best option in most cases. canada is independent of britidh rule but they had no mad war
@ehunter2 Typical domino theorist completely ignores the differences between communist nations or even the reports of ex-communists in Asia who left the party when it turned against them, such as Jung Chang, who supported communism since but left after her family was brutalized in the Cultural revolution or Le Ly Hayslip, who initially supported communism in due to the corruption of the Diem regime until she was raped by VC for suspicion of betraying the party and became neutral.
@ehunter2 Ok you’ve proved you’ll never see reason so I’ll list all the reasons why your view is stupid. If you studied history you’d know that Ho Chi Minh became communist because in 1918 because rest of Europe and US felt that Asians weren’t worthy self-determination. Wilson, a noted racist, barred him from entering the league of nations because he was Asian but Lenin listened to his pleas and as a result Ho Chi was converted to communism.
@ehunter2 There was a myriad of reasons why communism spread throughout but the 1917 revolution wasn’t one of them. If you actually studied communism and how it spread you’d realize that communist theory actually opposing trying to in non-industrialized nations and if you actually studied Chinese history you’d know that relations between Mao and Stalin were always poor and the two disliked each other all the way to Stalin’s death. Though I'd be surprised if you knew what Maoist even is.
Communism was popular in Asia after WWII not because of some conspiracy in Moscow from 1917 but because it was the only party that refused to negotiate with European and Japanese colonial powers and demanded immediate self-determination. I can keep going, I have a crap load of sources that expose your propaganda as the stupid rubbish that it is but just out of curiosity, are you going to give any real evidence outside of shouting “liberal lies” and you’re in high school (I’m 25) repeatedly?
@ehunter2 Finally, anyone whose studied history will tell you there are plenty of nasty anti-communists out there that have committed heinous crimes as well. “South Vietnam” was such as state where the government (first Diem then following military dictators) was so horribly corrupt and cruel that most of the population sided with the communists just to get rid of them, as in Le Ly Hayslip’s case, which is why communism succeeded in reconquering South Vietnam in 1975.
@ehunter2 Finally, anyone whose studied history will tell you there are plenty of nasty anti-communists out there that have committed heinous crimes as well. “South Vietnam” was such as state where the government (first Diem then following military dictators) was so horribly corrupt and cruel that most of the population sided with the communists just to get rid of the anti-communist, as in Le Ly Hayslip’s case, which is why communism succeeded in reconquering South Vietnam in 1975.
@ehunter2 In summation, I am not a communist, I never said communists are good, just not morally inferior to anti-communists like Diem, and treating communists as united mass is absurd and stupid.
In case this was TL:DR, your assertions are baseless and your attitude is childish. Grow up dude.
Also if communists were united under a single banner, then how do you explain the 15 war year between Vietnam and Cambodia? Did they just kill each other in the millions just for shits and giggles?
@ehunter2 Likewise there is no arguing with fundamentalists and right wing extremists.
My view is that extremists on the right are no better than extremists on the left. If you actually knew my political stance you’d know I supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and a more aggressive stance on the situation in Libya than we're taking now. You just make the assumption that because I oppose what I would call "the invasion of Vietnam" that I must love communism and hate America, which I don't.
@ehunter2 uh, right. A person who opposes the Vietnam war but supports the war in Iraq is totally perdictable because no one on the left opposes the Iraq war *sarcasm*
You don't know me, when I make a stance on an issue I look at all perspectives before I make conclusions and they don't fit into the conventional right-left divide
Like I said before your entire argument style is to claim absolute moral superiority without any evidence and then call everyone else childish.
You should be able come up with hundreds..but you cant because like all of Zinn's dupes..you know
no real history.
LIe#1. The USA started the Vietnam War via Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
TRUTH: The Viet Minh began attacking North Vietnam in 1920s and South Vietnam in 1954..The Viet Minh were Moscow equipped and directed and part of International Communism..the war was in place
Ahahaha the fact that there even was a "North" and "South" Vietnam was because the US circumvented the proposed 1956 elections to create a unified Vietnam.
And why was it circumvented? because it was estimated that 80% of Vietnamese would of voted for Ho Chi Minh but whatever, it's democracy when we say it is.
@ehunter2 Now (if you read my previous post) that I've more or less decided to quit trying to have reasoned argument with you: Just out of curiousity, considering how positively view the Vietnam war, did you ever actually serve in the US military and if so, what was you job, what years did you serve, and where were you stationed?
@ehunter2 Actually my argument is the exact opposite (but almost everything you've said has been either wrong or a half-truth so that's par for the course).
My basic argument has been that an anti-communist murders someone on suspicion of being communist that he’s no better than a communist who does the same to a non-communist.
How is that relativist or, actually who's the real relativist in this argument?
@ehunter2 This is getting old, you argue like a 9-year old who doesn't even know what relatavism means or what even what evidence is. Seriously 9/11 conspiracy theorists tend to use more evidence, if you could call it that, in their rubbish arguments than you do.
I've already more or less crushed every argument you've made and now you're just throwing out insults. If anyone doubts what I've said there are open gov't records for them to look at and see if what I said is wrong.
I'd agree with that. Most Communists have positively advocated the torture of dissidents and Karl Marx thought it was acceptable.
Zinn's "People's history" is simply bs. Most advocates of the American Revolution, like most Founding Fathers, were not wealthy. The ones who were wealthy like George Washington, always sought advice from working people. The catalyst of the Revolution, Sam Adams, was financially ruined by the time of the Revolution.
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with all due respect Mr. Zinn has a very biased opinion and my class must read his book for a summer assignment weather he has good views or not i do not think it is right for our schools to make us read a one sided argument. I am he has past
I love you doctor Zinn. You were so kind and gentle and the best teacher one could have for more than just history -- for life. "The point isn't to interpret the world, the point is to change it." Karl Marx. RIP Howard Zinn
I encountered H.Zinn's book recently wow!!!! he really opened my eyes even to things that really bothered me about history classes .. I hope kids in our poor school districts get exposed to his work.
@TATICAMARTINEZ My American History teacher actually recommended Howard Zinn to me because he saw that I was much brighter than my peers. I am eternally grateful to him for that.
Wow...where have I been the past couple of days...I had absolutely know idea Mr. Zinn passed away. I'll never forget the moment I was first introduced to his work when I began to read a Young People's History of the United States when I was in high school. He really opened my eyes to a lot of things and heavily influenced my decision to pursue a degree in History. R.I.P. Howard Zinn
Your pseudo-criticism is amazing siiting your buttons like intellectuals. Zinn is a vivid example of what could be call simply the critical and pedagogical side of historical accounts in the life of USA and the Westernazation of the world of the so called minority groups such as the Indians, the indians descendent, Blacks ans others...Zinn fought against Hitler and that makes him a hero who tried to teach AMerican to underestand history in the veins of the peasants...Idiots!
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what is it with brooklyn jews? IS IT IN THIER D.N.A. TO BE SO ANTI AMERICAN? WHY didnt he just renounce his citizenship and leave just like his fellow marxist lee harvey oswald.
@scorzeny45 for scorzeny45, I'm sure you would have hated John Brown, VA vs. Loving, MLK, etc. Must be tough to always be on the wrong side of history, but by all means hate on, maybe you'll get lucky.
Just LISTEN to this Zinn piece of shit..depicting the Military as mindless robots. Every soldier must constantly think analyse, and weigh decisions. Every soldier is bound by UMJ code.. his every act a legal or illegal one. What a fvckign PIECE OF SHIT Zinn is.
he's speaking not of everyday decisions they need to make, but rather of the overall picture. you go to war where your bosses want for the reasons that your bosses want or else. if you disagree with the government's reasoning, so what? if you don't want to go to Iraq because you signed up to fight in Afghanistan and you feel our reasons for fighting in Iraq are unjustified, so what? you have orders. you follow them. if not, you are in for serious punishment and scrutiny. that is what Zinn means.
its obvious this guy is in a dream world,which sounds good but is a utopia.He fails to discuss the crazed muslims who do want to kill us,he fails to mention pearl harbor and the over 10000 men entombed in the uss arizona,bataan death march etc. war sucks i agree,but in some situations i guess it has to be waged unfortunately. but everybody must do thier part,no college deferments which american jews are known to do[barney frank,chuck schumer etc] poor southern men shouldnt do all the fighting.
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Its still amazing about the leftwing loons during the beginning of world war 2 they did not want America to get involved fighting hitler,than suddenly germany invades Russia in late 1941 and every leftist in America wants American kids to fight hitler. Im fully aware that this jew was a veteran[the draft was on] so was william kunstsler ,woody guthrie etc. this creep despised our military but had no problem using the g.i bill for college.most jews owned the war factories during the war.
rewriting American history eh? you mean using the pen of the people who actually lived in the times of said events? you do realize that 90% of what was written in "A Peoples' History" is based on writings found in newspapers and private writings of that time, right?
what is wrong with him using his GI bill for college? you operate within a system, whether you like it or not, you are entitled to utilize its perks. and what is with the condescending tone towards Jewish people? anyways, i think you are confusing the true left wing radicals, like Zinn and Chomsky, who were vehemently against war at all costs with pseudo-left wing Americans (more appropriately labeled as "centrists"). i honestly don't think people like yourself realize the complexity of politics
please, refute just one alleged fact that he presented in "A Peoples' History" using logic and history on a factual basis and if it is a sound refutation i will concede to your argument about Howard Zinn exploiting college students with misinformation. this would be much more productive to our conversation than you throwing baseless attacks without any factual evidence to back up your claims. the burden of proof is in your court. enlighten me, please.
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What a complete piece of shit this Marxist was. Scanning American history..searching searching to find anything to fit his Leftist agenda. Eager to destroy Western Civ, eager to do anything to exploit the gulliblity of suburban clowns.
believing anything as long as it would undermine the country
luckily your opinion doesn't matter. go on believing everything about our country's history is on the up and up and ignoring the thousands of examples of different governmental and state organizations that exploit the people and attack other nations.
I share this to friends over Facebook but unfortunately it seems that wanting to expand my understanding of social conflicts and becoming class conscious is abnormal for someone that has just graduated high school. So my friends ignore this, shame shame shame.
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Jeez, I'm 15 and I used to be into philosophy and questioning before I came to politics, and now I'm hooked on Zinn. Everything he says and stands for is captivating for me, he speaks the truth.
lolXDimcool 2 weeks ago 2
yeah, unfortunately, I did not find this stuff out till after a stint in the US Marines, then a tour in the US Army. I was fighting because I was indoctrinated into believing that we were right, that might makes right and that there is no one who can question the God given direction of the USA. Propaganda works, we learned well. Today the news is not news, it is manufactured consent and i won't listen any more. Keep listening, please.
BobbyMissions 1 month ago 2
I believe that values and knowledge learnt in the elementary school years define your character; in that sense, exposing children to any kind of socialist ideas or values is a form of child abuse, this Zinn guy could have been saved, instead he went on to become one of the prominent socialist of USA.
Schwyndfst 1 month ago
I wish Howard had lived to see the Occupy Movement.
MsZeitgeist85 2 months ago
LOVE the intro song
croppingbeef 2 months ago
Those who are condeming conservatives and foxnews and Glenn Beck followers, please lissten to your words carefully. Y'all are damning ones ideas, because of your own ideas. Instead, how about give intellegent debating material, and just talk about it? Why bash one for just simple ideas? For their beliefs? We all have them. We TALK about ideas instead of fighting over them. This is what SEPERATES us from animals. Be civialized.
Obeeone1 4 months ago
@Obeeone1 we are animals
arenasification 4 months ago
@Obeeone1 i appreciate what you're saying but the typically the people you are mentioning are ideologues and propagandists completely devoid of any intellectual curiosity will not be able to see anything that does not reinforce what they already 'know'. They have no critical approach to the problems they discuss. They are effective at politics because they know how to play on pathos, to tap into and hijack the discourse by manipulating emotional undercurrents. US Leftists do this too but less.
ezzerdamoose 2 months ago
I've read Howard Zinn books. And I've read Ron Paul books. Strange, but I think if they met, they'd be friends. They're both skeptical of power-seekers, intelligent, sincere, and too good at writing to be very engaging interviewees. Plus they disagree enough to keep each other interested. Just a thought.
PremiseTester 4 months ago
@PremiseTester I think you are right. Both Paul and Zinn are honest intellectuals. They may have very different politics but they would be able to have an amazing conversation, I'm sure of it. I cannot say that about anyone else in the GOP leadership race today.
ezzerdamoose 2 months ago
I have heard a few times that most historians dont truly take Howard Zinn seriously, and i think that is okay, most historians look at macro-history, view it as a series of events which lead to the present, but Howard Zinn does something quite novel i think, he looks at history as more of a narrative, then he tells that narrative "through the voices of those who lived it." of course i am admittedly biased on the matter.
papelhojas 6 months ago
@papelhojas We don't truly take him seriously because he is a polemicist.
oldstock1607 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 that is a fair point, and you're probably not wrong i think (and at this point i would also like to admit that i am not an expert on the matter), but it seems to me that a project like the peoples history necessitates that sort of polemic writing because it is looking at history through a different sort of lens, it rejects the premises that are well established and considers a different historical paradigm, but then again i, admittedly, havent read all the most recent scholarship.
papelhojas 5 months ago
@papelhojas Indeed, everything that appears in "A People's History" is true and accurate. But the book, despite its popularity, little more than a catologue of Anglo-American crimes against non-white peoples. It is famous BECAUSE it is a polemic, and unfortunately that sort of anglo-bashing plays far too prominent a role in history teaching today. There are leftist profs out there that feel that everything American kids need to know about their nation's history can be found in Zinn's book.
oldstock1607 5 months ago
@oldstock1607 that is true, and i think that it is apparent to some degree that i have sympathy for the professors and teachers that you are talking about, and also agree that sometimes their bias does color their lessons, but nearly without exception (in my experience) the aforementioned educators were available only at a college level. History, as it is studied in high school and before, seems to me to be shaded with a sort of western righteousness, and i think its important to self examine
papelhojas 5 months ago 5
@oldstock1607 Excuse me, but I never heard anything about the history that Zinn has done. But luckily I was pulled out of Elementary and was home schooled.
nothingbutthefacts2 3 months ago
@nothingbutthefacts2 Yes, luckily. A book caled "A People's History of the United States" is his magnum opus.
oldstock1607 3 months ago
I read the chapter on the Great Depression from APHUS for history and it was obviously the best, most comphrehensive source I had for my essay--I intend to read the entire book in the near future.
niriop 7 months ago
howard looks like he had a rough night
zzzzJAGJEETzzzz 8 months ago
That Jew to the Jew on the right laughs through his teeth (!)
Ravenmongoose 8 months ago
@11:49,
Just ask George Washington Carver, who took the name George Washington Carver.
MegaAstrodude 9 months ago
I was fortunate enough to read Zinn's People's history of the United States before I began to observe American politics. I am so humbled by so many people who fought for their basic human rights which we now cherish and yet they have no place in Hollywood movies or history books. There are way too many brave selfless people in this country to let the rich and ignorant thugs take it down.
If only the rest of the world read Zinn.
wisetraveller 9 months ago
I'm 16 years old. I just finished reading a people's history of the united states of america by this man. It was by far the greatest book on any subject I have ever read. I wish like anything to have been able to listen to Mr. Zinn in a lecture when he was alive. He will be missed.
patsfan124 9 months ago 21
@patsfan124 FYI: Alternative Radio in Boulder, Colorado (run by David Barsamian) has an excellent audio collection of speeches and interviews with Zinn. Check with Radio Free Maine as well.
davidstimp 9 months ago
@patsfan124 good for you. i wish i was at that stage by 16.
ericfeinberg28 2 weeks ago
@patsfan124 Good for you and yes, he is a wellspring of experience, strength, hope and a reality of truth that we must all learn to embrace. I only regret that I never met him in person. What an amazing human being.
niknakde1st 1 week ago
R.I.P Zinn
PerajIran 9 months ago
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ehunter2 11 months ago
@lol97d It must have felt great to use that word.."anarcho syndaclist"...whew, you certainly are
smarter than the FBI that records Howard Zinn as teaching class in Marxist dialectics at
CPUSA headquarters in Brooklyn, or that Zinn was a member of the Communist Party and never left
Or that his entire belief system was standard Jewish Far Left Communism.
ehunter2 11 months ago
I'm a 24 year old dude from (probly) the dumbest country in Europe, Belgium. And i'm reading his book because history always fascinated me and i gotta say...WOW! i'm utterly shocked while i'm reading it because it's so good and acurate and my god... When will it end to have a mindset like 'having proverty is the way to go'. Sad to say, the white man fucked it all up to be really free. it's pretty amazing nothing has changed. Columbus can suck my balls :)
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@texasB666
You are shallow little moron typing on computer..created by white capitalists men, sitting under
and electric light created by white capitalist men, next to a refrigerator crreated by white
capitalist men, full of food raised by white capitalist men, and then showing us how grateful and
aware you are by spitting on white capitalist men.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 exactly. But Is it really necessary to call names? If you can grow your own food (water shouldn't be a problem) all the things you've mentioned by white capitalist men can go to hell for all i care. And show some respect. No need to be arrogant. Everyone has a different view. Thats why it's great to discuss.
texasB666 11 months ago
@texasB666
Since the achievements of white capitalist men are not important to you..you will
turn off the computer, turn off the electric lights, turn off the heat, throw the food
away, and sit in the dark, cold and hunger and dream of how free you are..right?
As for your "respect" you feel you can trash Western Civilization with impunity..but
if someone calls you on the ingratitude..you scream how unfair it all is.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 When did i said i was against capitalism? I'm not against it, but there is however a big problem with capitalism cause there are some winners and a whole lotta losers. And i know how the market system works. And yes, it works for alot of people but isn't it a bit selfish to think that our 'civilised' western society is doing 'great' within the culture while millions of people are starving and dying? T. Mckenna once said this: our world is in danger because of the absence of good ideas
texasB666 11 months ago
@texasB666 I see..the USA where the average moron incapable of anything but watching football
and feeling sorry for himself earns $49,000 a year
or Cuba where a Doctor earns $2500 a year, exactly the same as a sugar cane cutter and
all of them live in the "Equality of Misery"..Right?
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Maybe you should tell me your perspective without making a joke out of everything. What is it that you wanna tell me i've never heard before? Without the sarcasm. Please tell me, good sir. i'm strapped in. I think it's pointless to do so anyway, because we're 2 jackoffs behind a computer typing our opinions... Besides i don't think you fully understand what i meant before. "Equality of Misery?"... please....
texasB666 11 months ago
@texasB666
Why is this causing you so much difficulty? It doesnt take any huge effort to go to Mexico
or Cuba, or Venezuela, and see a society where economic "equality" is the guiding principle. It is precisely the
excess of capital in a few hands that makes new ventures, new businesses..possible.
Creating a business..a job is a RISK..if you make inefficient decisions..you are destroyed.
Socialist bureaucrats risk nothing and so waste and inefficiency destroys everything.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Oh yes i agree on that part. But there is something towards life (for myself atleast) that is more than government or business or whatever 'ism' you want to call it. Everybody is different and that is cool but thx to ideas like (you obviously like) capitalism/consumerism/business, it creates contempt, death, war, dishonesty, competition etc. This is not intelligent human behaviour if you ask me. Isn't insanity repeating the same thing over again? This world hasn't changed much.
texasB666 11 months ago
@ehunter2 i'm from Belgium so sorry in advance for my spelling. you seem like a wellread guy but i just don't agree with you on some parts. Thats all. Take it eazy.
greetz
texasB666 11 months ago
Just magnificent. Thank you.
Elisabluebird 1 year ago
Dr. Noam Chomsky recently told Iranian TV that at the time the US attacked Afganistan, they had no evidence that al Qaeda was guilty. See my video "Chomsky on Faith-based Wars and 9/11"
punxsutawneybarney 1 year ago
Is it wrong to think he was sexy? Because I think he is. Dayum.
bfoaliali 1 year ago
Zinn seems to claim that because his parents worked hard but didn't get as rich as the elites, then the whole system was rotten.
He fails to recognise that it has usually been much worse throughout history. What made his parents' situation different was that by working hard, they could guarantee food and a roof, not to mention adequate security for their son to achieve even greater success should he CHOOSE to do something other than manual blue-collar work.
A historian ought to know better.
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bluenoserr 1 year ago
I love seeing people who have no knowledge of history speak bad of Howard. All they know is that "Liberals are evil" because Glenn Beck said so.
JOHNLENNONWINZ 1 year ago 42
@JOHNLENNONWINZ I have a PhD in Social and Intellectual history and no (if very few) modern historians take Zinn as a serious historian.
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guzburn 6 months ago
@JOHNLENNONWINZ don't forget all of fox news.... damn liberals, who wants peace and equal rights anyway?
hartenskim 6 months ago
@JOHNLENNONWINZ your arrogance is amazing
MastroCicio 4 months ago
currently reading "A People's History of the United States" I am on page 623. I changed my whole way of thinking, or as a matter of fact , confirmed my way of thinking. I now have facts and intellect to back up all the accusations I make against our system of government, whatever it be, I am able to express my views with articulation against this corrupt government.
lassdymestndg718 1 year ago
Doing my historical speech on Howard Zinn, and im gonna make him proud.
vnninjas 1 year ago
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Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter
The Horror of Horowitz... that sounds like the most idiotic, right wing view...
bongoloid77 1 year ago
@Gulfporter I think what you really mean is that you disagree with anyone who has left-wing views.
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@lewars1912
That must be it. Couldn't have anything to do with a first generation American in a position of influence promoting destructive ideas, illegal immigration, cultural pollution, communism, racial conflict.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Quoting Horowitz is like quoting Palin or Limbaugh or Beck. It speaks volumes as to the limited, TV-shaped viewpoint someone must have to be so laughably cluless as to quote an idiotic, reactionary, publicity-seeking media whore like Horowitz.
HNK222 1 year ago
@HNK222
Thank you for sharing. Perhaps Zinn should have returned to his parents country of origin and attacked his own culture. Then, I not only wouldn't know who is was, but I wouldn't have to deal with moronic assholes from Democratic Underground who worship him and the craggy old alcoholic Amy Goodman. Have a nice day.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
@Gulfporter Can you please elaborate on the concept of "moronic asshole?" I'm not familiar with this terminology in reference to, well, critical analysis of anything. Weighed against Dr. Zinn's analysis of American history, I'm not sure I'm ready to throw in with your interpretation of US history and foreign policy. Speaking of that, exactly what is your idea of American history again? Have a nice day.
firstnamenavarre 1 year ago
A People's History of the United States is an amazing read.
superdog797 1 year ago
the guys a true OG
deceiver123m 1 year ago
lol..I thought this was from the 1980's with this music it sounds like something from an atari 800 game
xadam2dudex 1 year ago
@xadam2dudex lol
Finallythankyou 1 year ago
People like this are precious. They're a font of knowledge. Like living, breathing books.
Sablicious 1 year ago 2
RIP Zinn an American Lion !!!
rastaman39 1 year ago
Professor Zin said:"Pitiful risks" about what one might lose as a "truth teller". That's how people who have in a way destroyed the comfortable illusions that the system creates speak. To us weak materialistic bunch, unfortunately it does take courage to do the right thing and to speak up against injustice especially when we're not touched directly by the latter.
Defsolid 1 year ago
While I disagree with much of what Zinn says, I do have to say he is infinitely better then the majority the these Tea-party (Tea-baggers) jerks that are overwhelming the American right.
Of course the right hates this guy, anyone who doesn't promote their extremist conservative views is a "liberal elite".
majordbag2 1 year ago
This guy is a classic example of the general who is still fighting the last war... he just doesn't get the the world, and the average working member of society, has moved on...
cafeirlandais 1 year ago
@cafeirlandais ur the classic example of a man who cannot see and cannot hear
deceiver123m 1 year ago
@redmed it's unfournate that you choose to ignore the facts. Rome was a great empire but no one argues it committed atrocity to achieve that.
CardinalRaker 1 year ago
It is unfortunate, for he judges the past with current standards, standards that simply did not exist then and thus they cannot be blamed for. He criticizes those who have brought the nation to this point yet forgets to credit them for bringing the nation to this point, making him a hypocrite in the truest of senses.
redmend 1 year ago
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Historian and Activist = a very grumpy old geezer
lodproductions90 1 year ago
Wow, such humility and insight. What I love is that he talks without using jargon. Simple but deep like looking through clear ocean water. Anyone can pick up his books, or hear his speeches and feel the cobwebs of doubts taken away. His points of veiw about anarchy also need to be heard in Junior High and High Schools to use teenage rebellion in a positive way, and to support youthful idealism.
BIoodorange 1 year ago 2
rockin hair do
keahende 1 year ago
The capitalist system is sociopathic. Zinn knew this, and his calm, steady way of anatomizing its pathology provides us an invaluable example. However it's not a solution, or even a rigorous analysis. I fear we're too late--capital, gone global, is now coming up against its absolute material limits. We need something much more drastic. Like Zizek suggests, what we need is a terrifying new materialism, an analysis, and a movement, that shakes everything to its very roots.
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@kskshghg,
Howard Zinn is a welfare queen and a parasite who hasn't contributed at all to anyone or anything. He's endorsed and aided the massacres of innocent people and promoted widespread persecution and tyranny. Capitalism allows people to give the world everything that is moral which is why Communists have never helped anybody. If you're a Communist, you want to torture people.
Drregaleagle 1 year ago
@Drregaleagle
"If you're a Communist, you want to torture people.".... Hahahahahaha - Even though my troll-detector is going off, I'm going to remember this quote just in case somebody ever asks me to give an example of a non sequitur.
cjrsoccer1 1 year ago
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@cjrsoccer1,
It's not a non sequitur because Howard Zinn is a Communist(member of CPUSA). People force us to read his garbage history that throws out historical facts and evidence for his political interpretations. There's a big national debt, increased government interference in the economy, and huge decline in manufacturing. This is all on top of a general attack on math and science from pseudo-American bureaucrats that worship Howard Zinn. He's done a lot of damage.
Drregaleagle 1 year ago
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@cjrsoccer1,
The man gave money to people so they could shoot at American soldiers and Vietnamese civilians for crying out loud. He supported the torturing of Americans at Hanoi. He was a monster.
Drregaleagle 1 year ago
@Drregaleagle,
I've never heard that.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
@Drregaleagle Wasn't our government giving money to the Anti-communist government to do the exact same thing to communist soldiers and civilians for opposing the dictatorship in South Vietnam?
What kind of jackass condones the torture of other people's soldiers but then whines when his or hers own solidiers get killed?
I'm no fan of communism but from my research the communists were never significantly worse than the anti-communists who opposed them.
They were both the same ie assholes.
majordbag2 1 year ago 16
@majordbag2
Hi. You sound like a reasonable intelligent guy. I would like to make a request. When you write "communism" in reference to the USSR, you are really referring to "state capitalism," not communism. Communism by definition is stateless and classless. Russia was not. The dictators called themselves communists for propaganda purposes. The U.S. called them communists, because communism is a dangerous idea to those in power, i.e. the U.S. seized the opportunity to dirty the word.
WorldPeace4All6 1 year ago
@majordbag2
Your "research" consists of listening to TV and regurgitating the half witted ideas of Hollywood celebrities
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Actually my "research" consisted of going through government archives, collections of communiqués between foreign embassies (FRUS), declassified CIA documents, and testimony about the Vietnam War by both American and Vietnamese Veterans of the conflict. Also my father was a veteran of the Vietnam War, was the farthest thing from a hippie, and he agreed that most of my conclusions are accurate.
Your "research" probably consists of Glenn Beck and films like "Flight of the Intruder".
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2
And you did all this research on your high school class trip right?
Lets make this clear..every one of you irrefutable "facts" is a lie..a lie so deep you would never
recognize it because ..every nook and cranny of your mind from the first day of
elementary school has been manipulated by the educational establishment to
bring you by the hand directly to your so called "intellectual discoveries"
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Actually the education I received in Elementy school tended to be in favor of the Vietnam War and very rarely questioned the idea that our government has always been good and just to everyone. It wasn't until I was in High School that I found out embarrassing facts like Ho Chi Mihn worked for the US during WWII to fight the Japanese or that (and the source on this is the CIA) if free elections were granted in South Vitenam in 1954 80% of the voters would have voted communist.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 The famous Zinn style of history. Take something out of its real context.
Isolate some factoid that will impress the adolescent mind that the adults are "hypocrits" and let
ignorance do the rest. The real context of Vietnam War was the relentless advance of Communism 1917. All of Eastern Europe, hundreds of regions inside of the USSR, all of China, Cuba, South America, Korea, India, all crushed by Communism. And your take?... finding some fault by the adults here in the USA.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 india?
GBJ83 11 months ago
@ehunter2 im not a commie nut but cuba has a better healthcare system than you and china is taking over the world through capitalism. he is simply argiung that war is nt the best option in most cases. canada is independent of britidh rule but they had no mad war
GBJ83 11 months ago
@GBJ83
Quit repeating that lie. Cuba's hospitals are shitholes. Every Communist official
leaves the country via chartered airplane when he wants medical care.
Michael Moore is a moron...
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Typical domino theorist completely ignores the differences between communist nations or even the reports of ex-communists in Asia who left the party when it turned against them, such as Jung Chang, who supported communism since but left after her family was brutalized in the Cultural revolution or Le Ly Hayslip, who initially supported communism in due to the corruption of the Diem regime until she was raped by VC for suspicion of betraying the party and became neutral.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Ok you’ve proved you’ll never see reason so I’ll list all the reasons why your view is stupid. If you studied history you’d know that Ho Chi Minh became communist because in 1918 because rest of Europe and US felt that Asians weren’t worthy self-determination. Wilson, a noted racist, barred him from entering the league of nations because he was Asian but Lenin listened to his pleas and as a result Ho Chi was converted to communism.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 There was a myriad of reasons why communism spread throughout but the 1917 revolution wasn’t one of them. If you actually studied communism and how it spread you’d realize that communist theory actually opposing trying to in non-industrialized nations and if you actually studied Chinese history you’d know that relations between Mao and Stalin were always poor and the two disliked each other all the way to Stalin’s death. Though I'd be surprised if you knew what Maoist even is.
majordbag2 11 months ago
Communism was popular in Asia after WWII not because of some conspiracy in Moscow from 1917 but because it was the only party that refused to negotiate with European and Japanese colonial powers and demanded immediate self-determination. I can keep going, I have a crap load of sources that expose your propaganda as the stupid rubbish that it is but just out of curiosity, are you going to give any real evidence outside of shouting “liberal lies” and you’re in high school (I’m 25) repeatedly?
majordbag2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Finally, anyone whose studied history will tell you there are plenty of nasty anti-communists out there that have committed heinous crimes as well. “South Vietnam” was such as state where the government (first Diem then following military dictators) was so horribly corrupt and cruel that most of the population sided with the communists just to get rid of them, as in Le Ly Hayslip’s case, which is why communism succeeded in reconquering South Vietnam in 1975.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Finally, anyone whose studied history will tell you there are plenty of nasty anti-communists out there that have committed heinous crimes as well. “South Vietnam” was such as state where the government (first Diem then following military dictators) was so horribly corrupt and cruel that most of the population sided with the communists just to get rid of the anti-communist, as in Le Ly Hayslip’s case, which is why communism succeeded in reconquering South Vietnam in 1975.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 In summation, I am not a communist, I never said communists are good, just not morally inferior to anti-communists like Diem, and treating communists as united mass is absurd and stupid.
In case this was TL:DR, your assertions are baseless and your attitude is childish. Grow up dude.
Also if communists were united under a single banner, then how do you explain the 15 war year between Vietnam and Cambodia? Did they just kill each other in the millions just for shits and giggles?
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 No..Communism would be too definite, to coherent a position for you. What
you are is a "relativist"...ie. nothing is perfect ..etc. What that means is like Zinn you have
no contact wtih the real world, the adult world. Zinn and Chomsky spent their entire lives
inside academia. Outside of a 2 year stint in the Army neither one of them ever created
a thing. Never met a deadlne, never met a payroll, never even worked with real people..just
perpetually idealistic 19 year olds.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 Shits and giggle..is accurate enough. Yes that is exactly what happened.
Like all "revolutionary" movements..its starts with ignorant people consumed by a ideology
and then it takes on a mechanical aspectGood Poor PEople vs. Bad Rich People..
True Believers vs Spies..and the body count starts to build. 15 million is peanuts.
The Russian Revolution killed 100 million and after it was over there was nothing to show..
yep Shits and Giggles..fueled by millions of morons like you.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 Once again..nothing is perfect..the adult world is contraditory..therefore
nothing is better and their are no shades of meaning, no effort is basically evil and trying to
do more evil, no good is basically good and doing bad things to keep good alive.
No...not for you. Just little Timmy screaming that the adults are hypocrites.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 To reiterate again.
1. I never said communism was good, just that anti-communists such as Diem, Suharto, and the Japanese empire tended to be just as bad
2. I've cited actual people and events, including those from anti-communist, you've cited almost nothng
3. You insist that I'm childish and make a large number of assumptions about me without any evidence
4. You're arguments are full of contradictions, e.g. you call me an idealist and then accuse me of being a relatavist.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2
There is no arguing with Zinn style "history". Its not even history at all. Its half truths
taken out of context, pumped full of Marxist ideology and let run wild amongst
the TV fed ignoramuses that hang out at coffee shops and play-pretend at Revolution
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Likewise there is no arguing with fundamentalists and right wing extremists.
My view is that extremists on the right are no better than extremists on the left. If you actually knew my political stance you’d know I supported the invasion of Iraq in 2003 and a more aggressive stance on the situation in Libya than we're taking now. You just make the assumption that because I oppose what I would call "the invasion of Vietnam" that I must love communism and hate America, which I don't.
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2
Your position is utterly predictable..Whatever the Adult World is doing..you are against that.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 uh, right. A person who opposes the Vietnam war but supports the war in Iraq is totally perdictable because no one on the left opposes the Iraq war *sarcasm*
You don't know me, when I make a stance on an issue I look at all perspectives before I make conclusions and they don't fit into the conventional right-left divide
Like I said before your entire argument style is to claim absolute moral superiority without any evidence and then call everyone else childish.
You're a joke
majordbag2 11 months ago
@majordbag2 Of course I know you. I know you. I know you better than you know yourself
I can predict your every thought. I know what you will say long before you say it.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@majordbag2
Anyone even listening to Zinn..is incapable of thinking in the first place. Any intelligent
person would catch Zinn in a dozen lies in the first 5 minutes.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2
List the lies. I don't believe you.
tad0026 11 months ago
@tad0026
You should be able come up with hundreds..but you cant because like all of Zinn's dupes..you know
no real history.
LIe#1. The USA started the Vietnam War via Gulf of Tonkin Incident.
TRUTH: The Viet Minh began attacking North Vietnam in 1920s and South Vietnam in 1954..The Viet Minh were Moscow equipped and directed and part of International Communism..the war was in place
decades before the Gulf of Tonkin..1964.
ehunter2 11 months ago
@ehunter2 Yes, the war existed before the Gulf of Tonkin incident, but the US didn't get involved until then. Nice half-truth you've got there.
FarUnlitUnknown 11 months ago
@ehunter2
Ahahaha the fact that there even was a "North" and "South" Vietnam was because the US circumvented the proposed 1956 elections to create a unified Vietnam.
And why was it circumvented? because it was estimated that 80% of Vietnamese would of voted for Ho Chi Minh but whatever, it's democracy when we say it is.
AndroidPolitician 10 months ago
@ehunter2 You cannot comprehend intellectualism.
maximus7prime 9 months ago
@majordbag2 I see..dear old dad was in Vietnam..and well that and your special
special, super special access to CIA files gave you the truth. Here is the REAL truth
you are the typical off the rack leftists moron cranked out of the college assembly line
and filled with only one burning desire..to spit in the face of the one force you know wil
never strike back..your country. No matter how many lies you have to believe..or repeat
that is your one goal
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Now (if you read my previous post) that I've more or less decided to quit trying to have reasoned argument with you: Just out of curiousity, considering how positively view the Vietnam war, did you ever actually serve in the US military and if so, what was you job, what years did you serve, and where were you stationed?
majordbag2 10 months ago
@majordbag2 More teenage relativism. Here is how it goes.
1. Person A..pushes little old ladies in wheelchairs out of the way of buses.
2. Person B pushes little old ladies in wheelchairs into the path of buses.
majordbag2..says that Person A and Person B are exactly the same..you see
they both push around little old ladies.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 Actually my argument is the exact opposite (but almost everything you've said has been either wrong or a half-truth so that's par for the course).
My basic argument has been that an anti-communist murders someone on suspicion of being communist that he’s no better than a communist who does the same to a non-communist.
How is that relativist or, actually who's the real relativist in this argument?
majordbag2 10 months ago
@majordbag2 What you compulsively retreat into is "its all relative" stance. And that spinelessness
and lack of any sense of reality is precisely the real issue. Its called Utopianism..a flight
from reality that all teenagers are addicted to. Zinn doesnt dispense hard core ideology
he dispenses facile gibberish and you fall for it...because, after all, you know only TV.
ehunter2 10 months ago
@ehunter2 This is getting old, you argue like a 9-year old who doesn't even know what relatavism means or what even what evidence is. Seriously 9/11 conspiracy theorists tend to use more evidence, if you could call it that, in their rubbish arguments than you do.
I've already more or less crushed every argument you've made and now you're just throwing out insults. If anyone doubts what I've said there are open gov't records for them to look at and see if what I said is wrong.
majordbag2 10 months ago
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@cjrsoccer1,
I'd agree with that. Most Communists have positively advocated the torture of dissidents and Karl Marx thought it was acceptable.
Zinn's "People's history" is simply bs. Most advocates of the American Revolution, like most Founding Fathers, were not wealthy. The ones who were wealthy like George Washington, always sought advice from working people. The catalyst of the Revolution, Sam Adams, was financially ruined by the time of the Revolution.
TheFlanker35 1 year ago
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with all due respect Mr. Zinn has a very biased opinion and my class must read his book for a summer assignment weather he has good views or not i do not think it is right for our schools to make us read a one sided argument. I am he has past
flanmanflannery 1 year ago
A Peoples History of the United States completely changed my life- thank you Mr. Zinn
Calsurf123 1 year ago 2
very nice understanding of history
sluttypancake 1 year ago 2
Outstanding:)
TheToltec 1 year ago
I love you doctor Zinn. You were so kind and gentle and the best teacher one could have for more than just history -- for life. "The point isn't to interpret the world, the point is to change it." Karl Marx. RIP Howard Zinn
alltoohuman44 1 year ago 2
I took a blank white shirt I bought and I wrote "R.I.P. Howard Zinn"
DontEatEggs666 1 year ago
A great man, a great mind.
misterarrecho 1 year ago 2
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@misterarrecho He is a foolish man very intelligent yet very stupid at the same time!
Dr C. Chan
ccasia2008 1 year ago
Mr. Zinn, your efforts in bringing justice to this world will echo in history.
Tannerthomas 1 year ago
OMG, my hero, recently deceased, but never forgotten!
pdfryer 1 year ago
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KrhkoJeZnanje1 1 year ago
real inspiration
reebleono 1 year ago 3
RIP Doctor Zinn. I love his books.
mrworldwar2buff 1 year ago 5
I encountered H.Zinn's book recently wow!!!! he really opened my eyes even to things that really bothered me about history classes .. I hope kids in our poor school districts get exposed to his work.
TATICAMARTINEZ 1 year ago 3
@TATICAMARTINEZ My American History teacher actually recommended Howard Zinn to me because he saw that I was much brighter than my peers. I am eternally grateful to him for that.
Connerisawesome 1 year ago
Wow...where have I been the past couple of days...I had absolutely know idea Mr. Zinn passed away. I'll never forget the moment I was first introduced to his work when I began to read a Young People's History of the United States when I was in high school. He really opened my eyes to a lot of things and heavily influenced my decision to pursue a degree in History. R.I.P. Howard Zinn
jigglypuff3 1 year ago 26
Howard Zinn, nuff said.
R.I.P.
BloggerMusicMan 1 year ago 3
Your pseudo-criticism is amazing siiting your buttons like intellectuals. Zinn is a vivid example of what could be call simply the critical and pedagogical side of historical accounts in the life of USA and the Westernazation of the world of the so called minority groups such as the Indians, the indians descendent, Blacks ans others...Zinn fought against Hitler and that makes him a hero who tried to teach AMerican to underestand history in the veins of the peasants...Idiots!
Harikrishnalove 2 years ago 6
Mr. Zinn you may have passed away, but your legacy lives on. You're alive in our memories and will never be forgotten.
Now it's up to us to carry and spread your message. It's up to us to live up to the example you set.
My condolences to your family, firends and followers (including me).
May you rest in peace.
gunnerfan87 2 years ago 73
@gunnerfan87 A'men Let's start a campaign to break Ron Paul and get Ralph Nader in the debates
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@gunnerfan87
Howard Zinn was a piece of shit, and you're sending him a message on You Tube, so you're an idiot.
Gulfporter 1 year ago
Let 's continue to carry the torch Howard Zinn carried for " Freedom of Speech". "We the People" time for Zinnism to begin.
taidgh41 2 years ago 2
R.I.P Howard Zinn!
cekisdve 2 years ago 5
People like scorzeny45 always get outsmarted with a wedgie and a swirly
BillHigge 2 years ago
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what is it with brooklyn jews? IS IT IN THIER D.N.A. TO BE SO ANTI AMERICAN? WHY didnt he just renounce his citizenship and leave just like his fellow marxist lee harvey oswald.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
@scorzeny45 for scorzeny45, I'm sure you would have hated John Brown, VA vs. Loving, MLK, etc. Must be tough to always be on the wrong side of history, but by all means hate on, maybe you'll get lucky.
briancricketrakita 2 years ago
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Just LISTEN to this Zinn piece of shit..depicting the Military as mindless robots. Every soldier must constantly think analyse, and weigh decisions. Every soldier is bound by UMJ code.. his every act a legal or illegal one. What a fvckign PIECE OF SHIT Zinn is.
ehunter2 2 years ago
he's speaking not of everyday decisions they need to make, but rather of the overall picture. you go to war where your bosses want for the reasons that your bosses want or else. if you disagree with the government's reasoning, so what? if you don't want to go to Iraq because you signed up to fight in Afghanistan and you feel our reasons for fighting in Iraq are unjustified, so what? you have orders. you follow them. if not, you are in for serious punishment and scrutiny. that is what Zinn means.
eboyd32 2 years ago
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its obvious this guy is in a dream world,which sounds good but is a utopia.He fails to discuss the crazed muslims who do want to kill us,he fails to mention pearl harbor and the over 10000 men entombed in the uss arizona,bataan death march etc. war sucks i agree,but in some situations i guess it has to be waged unfortunately. but everybody must do thier part,no college deferments which american jews are known to do[barney frank,chuck schumer etc] poor southern men shouldnt do all the fighting.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
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Its still amazing about the leftwing loons during the beginning of world war 2 they did not want America to get involved fighting hitler,than suddenly germany invades Russia in late 1941 and every leftist in America wants American kids to fight hitler. Im fully aware that this jew was a veteran[the draft was on] so was william kunstsler ,woody guthrie etc. this creep despised our military but had no problem using the g.i bill for college.most jews owned the war factories during the war.
scorzeny45 2 years ago
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Yeah I know what you mean This Jew was drafted along with 11 million other Americans.. BUT ONLY HOWIE ZINN spent the next 65 years
finding some way to demoralize, lie about and rewrite American history. The worthless fvck preyed upon gullible teenage morons.
ehunter2 2 years ago
rewriting American history eh? you mean using the pen of the people who actually lived in the times of said events? you do realize that 90% of what was written in "A Peoples' History" is based on writings found in newspapers and private writings of that time, right?
eboyd32 2 years ago
what is wrong with him using his GI bill for college? you operate within a system, whether you like it or not, you are entitled to utilize its perks. and what is with the condescending tone towards Jewish people? anyways, i think you are confusing the true left wing radicals, like Zinn and Chomsky, who were vehemently against war at all costs with pseudo-left wing Americans (more appropriately labeled as "centrists"). i honestly don't think people like yourself realize the complexity of politics
eboyd32 2 years ago
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You are a perfect student of Zinn..notice how you leave out 95% of the story to skew things to your agenda.
Howie.. was a "hero"..he went to WWII with 11 million others..and then leave out the other 65 years of his life.
ehunter2 2 years ago
i am a fan of Zinn's writing, but hardly a biographer of Zinn. please, enlighten me on the "other 65 years of his life".
eboyd32 2 years ago
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You know the endless tours of US colleges exploiting gullible 19 year olds with his astounding insights.
ehunter2 2 years ago
please, refute just one alleged fact that he presented in "A Peoples' History" using logic and history on a factual basis and if it is a sound refutation i will concede to your argument about Howard Zinn exploiting college students with misinformation. this would be much more productive to our conversation than you throwing baseless attacks without any factual evidence to back up your claims. the burden of proof is in your court. enlighten me, please.
eboyd32 2 years ago
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What a complete piece of shit this Marxist was. Scanning American history..searching searching to find anything to fit his Leftist agenda. Eager to destroy Western Civ, eager to do anything to exploit the gulliblity of suburban clowns.
believing anything as long as it would undermine the country
ehunter2 2 years ago
Great man... RIP
GodBlesstheWorld2008 2 years ago
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A driveling fool who got nothing right.. a man so paralysed by cognitive bias that he was incapable of learning.
ehunter2 2 years ago
@ehunter2 Describing yourself?
GodBlesstheWorld2008 2 years ago 2
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Back to your sandbox
ehunter2 2 years ago
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R.I.P Adolf Hitler
R.I.P Josef Mengele
Frakanisourimoneslie 2 years ago
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stupid old cocksucking jew
Frakanisourimoneslie 2 years ago
RIP Howard Zinn
RIP J.D. Salinger
diapasonify 2 years ago
R.I.P. greater than Lord.
kaalde88 2 years ago 5
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Rot in Peace you phoney lying piece of shit.
ehunter2 2 years ago
luckily your opinion doesn't matter. go on believing everything about our country's history is on the up and up and ignoring the thousands of examples of different governmental and state organizations that exploit the people and attack other nations.
eboyd32 2 years ago