MGS3 The Truth About The Sorrow

[Therealslimshady78]

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[Stryker14X]

Lol did all the water flood into Snake's burnt eyehole :D

[1God1Fury]

damn, Sorrow is one realy crepy and dark guy =S

[deathshadow456]

if you'd press the button you would see him stand there is true

[isantamies2]

and if ocelot is the son of sorrow...why does sorrow keep showing up around the boss and Big Boss and Solid snake (in mgs4)

[filipeflower]

Can't you take a guess ?

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 .... The Boss is Ocelot's mother and The Sorrow is his father. I don't undertand your point nor I remember The Sorrow appear oftenly in MGS4.

[isantamies2]

@SWOgottaGO in mgs4 its a secret u have to find when u beat screaming mantis

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 The Sorrow says something when Psyco Mantis dies again in MGS4 but is not a plot-twist nor something similar. Whatever that secret you're talking about is, is not a plot-twist.

[isantamies2]

@SWOgottaGO btw are u sure he ''died'' again he was a ghost its a little tiny chanse he died again

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 You're right, a dead person can't die =p

[isantamies2]

@SWOgottaGO yea and i know ocelot is bosses son but it just bothers me that hes father shows up only to big bosses family :P

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 The Sorrow may not even know he has a son. Big Boss have no family.

[isantamies2]

@SWOgottaGO umm what would you calll liquid solidus and solid snake even tho they dont like it they still are family

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 Ummm, can clones be called family?

[SWOgottaGO]

@isantamies2 Ummm, can clones be called family?

[isantamies2]

@SWOgottaGO pretty much they have same bloodline like family does

[MrSyahdewa]

the spirit of the warrior....will always be with you

[isantamies2]

ADAM is ocelot yes but i dont recall them saying anywhere that ADAM was the son of the boss and the sorrow

[Thecrazymanhatesyou]

whats cool is that in mgs4 during the fight with screaming mantis, you hear the exact same words. "the spirit of the warrior will always be with you"

[Tekkenman4ever]

Naked Snake speaking with Major Zero. 50 years after ...... he killed him. So sad !!!

[SuperCurtis82]

THERE IS THE TRUTH ABOUT THE OCELOT!

I discovered the Ocelots identity, his real name is Adamska.

so the Code name is ADAM. he was an agent sent by KGB and he crossed Snake and Volgin too... so Ocelot is not bad guy, he was only an agent who tripple crossed Volgin and snake with eva. you can discover it at the end of the game.

in a plane he says his real name is Adamska. and when the murinakas song ends. he is calling to KB and Kruschev, he says there he was ADAM and he was sent by KGB.

[isantamies2]

@SuperCurtis82 theres just one hole in that story........EVA was not sent by KGB she was sent by the chinese philosophers its said in the end of the game she claimed that she was EVA when fact the one who tripple crossed whit adam was a man too but eva took care offof him and stole hes identety and ADAM he was supposed to take out but he never showed up to the sneaking point which saved her from the trouble and thats why she dosnt say the pasword there becose she doesnt know it

[filipeflower]

isantamies2 ,how exactly did you find out about that ?

[isantamies2]

@filipeflower about actually listening what eva said eva explained everything i said in the recording end of the game where she explains that the boss didnt doublecross america and tells that she was not sent by kgb or kruschev she was sent by chinese philosophers...have you even listened it or just skipped?

[filipeflower]

Neither. I haven't arrived at that part of the game yet .

[isantamies2]

@filipeflower oh ok sorry if i spoiled

[DrRobert501]

what do you see by pressing R1 in this cutscene???? in the moment when he came out from the river?

[sonicdbzfan94]

@DrRobert501 You get to look around at the scenery. If you look to the right, you see The Sorrow floating in the underbrush, then float into the sky.

[DrRobert501]

@sonicdbzfan94 thanks :P

[MrPikape]

@DrRobert501 you see the sorrow again looking at the left of the screen

[DrRobert501]

@MrPikape thank u :)

[SadRobotz]

Big boss = MGS3

Liquid/Snake = MGS 1,2 and 4

Snake/Raiden = MGS2

Snake = MGS4

They make apperences in each others games.. but those are the people you Play with indefinant in those games.

[gio05]

Sigint = DARPA Chief in MGS

[senseiishiguro]

do you know how to get The Sorrow camo(Spirit Camo)?

[karim300080]

how could he survived under water all this time...

[Paopao369]

who's the father of snake?

[hitamanda]

@Paopao369 big boss the guy u played on mgs3

[Paopao369]

@hitamanda no, i mean naked snake or big boss.

[gargola18]

@hitamanda who is the big boss???

[hitamanda]

@gargola18 u play as big boss in mgs3 u know 

[gargola18]

@hitamanda isnt big boss the main guy in mgs4?(snake)?

[hitamanda]

@gargola18 no thats big boss clone solid snake u played him in mtgs 1 and 4

[gargola18]

@hitamanda ooo... ok no wonder why he got so old all of a sudden... so what abou this liquid snake guy? he is another clone? which mgs game he appeared??? btw thank you for answering my questions!

[shawni0010]

@gargola18 Liquid is also a clone of big boss. As far as I know he first appeared in MGS1 and kind of appears in MGS2 and MGS4 (in Ocelot's body). The story is pretty complicated and hard to understand if you haven't played the games.

[hitamanda]

@shawni0010 yup

[gargola18]

@shawni0010 liquid was the one helping raiden out with his mission???? i never played mgs1 but i did played mgs2 and 3 and im about to buy me the fourth one next week... and i always wondered why the snake from mgs2 had a different name than the one from mgs3... lol now i know they are all clones from the guy from mgs4.. here i was thinkning that it was the same guy but getting older with each games hehe

[shawni0010]

@gargola18 They are not clones of the guy in MGS4, because the guy you play as in MGS4 is Solid Snake not Big Boss. And Solid Snake was helping out Raiden in his mission (Solidus was kinda like impersonating Solid Snake).

[johndavid3000]

@gargola18 mgs1 is hard i played it so freaking hard including the tuture mission

[Deejay10K]

@shawni0010 Liquid and Ocelet are different MGS4 explains that once dead Liquid stayed dead. Ocelot "hypnotised" hmself into thinking he was Liquid

though Liquid was a member of Les Enfant Terribles. the same project that spawned Snake and Solidus.

[shawni0010]

@Deejay10K I'm aware of that Liquid and Ocelot are different :) Although, I didn't know that Ocelot "hypnotised" himself. I guess I wasn't paying enough attention. At what point in MGS4 this is said?

== MGS1/4 SPOILER ==

If I remember right, Big Mama (EVA) said Ocelot's body was taken over by Liquid's soul and thoughts because he replaced his own hand with Liquid's.

== MGS1/4 SPOILER ==

[Deejay10K]

@shawni0010 big boss tells you at the end of MGS 4. he also explains a few of the other more confusing plotlines.

if you haven't seen it yet, watch through till the end of the credits and check out the final cutscene, it'll blow ur mind lulz.

thanks for being kind about this, didn't mean to sound like a jerk :)

[Hudson12829]

The spirit of the warrior will always be with you.

[xirvin92]

ADAM, EVA AND SNAKE sounds familiar?

[Deejay10K]

@xirvin92 holy crap, i've only just made this connection.

Konami you sneaky sobs.

[yaktr12]

sad............so sad......

[IgnitedMHK]

a good wesker...

[25770power]

Sorrow sharpens the edge of Joy;

Joy springs from Sorrow,

But Joy carries Sorrow with it, always.

[jonyXTHEKING17]

he lost his eyes ?

[CrASYmUZIk]

hmmm snake looks like he was solid but on the mgs1 mgs2 and 4 they say he wanted to launch nukes , etc...... thats wierd :<

[Bralor89]

does the broken glass and the blood coming out of the sorrows eye mean, that the joy shooted him into it?

[EvilBlueWolf]

@Bralor89 yes she did shoot him, but only cause it was part of her mission and only one could come back alive her or him

[xxGenomxx]

haha this remembers me to screaming mantis

[BroUghtBySea]

the japs were going hot with a character like the sorrow.

He has influence even in death

[lolman334]

sorrow: shoot me...

The Boss: okay

BOOM

[beanniectw]

sorrow looks like sven goran erikson

[ProtoType989]

@beanniectw hahahahaha xD

[Tailsfan777]

the creator of mgs series r geniuses this is the best war/spy series ever and the kewl thing about this cutscene is cause the spot where the glasses break and the blood comes is where the boss shot him

[Zacharyg5]

I..don't think so. Because I remember thinking "Man, it would have been so much cooler if The Sorrow had been shot in the same place as Snake."

The Sorrow was shot in left eye, and Snake in the right eye.

[Tailsfan777]

i agree totally tails and i think u r a awesome dude XD lol i is so bored right now just beat assassins creed 2 :P Most awesome game of tha year 4 me.

[Allyness92]

hellrear u fool =/

[xarzinas1]

adam is a codename for ocelot adamska it meins adam shalashaska

[KazuoKiriyama666]

I'd say The Sorrow's story is just as tragic as any other character in the series, up there with Sniper Wolf, The Boss and Gray Fox.

[WarcraftG4mer]

ADAM is ocelot

[assaindude]

uh duh

[RiderRohans]

did the boss shoot him in the eye?

[HittokiriBattousai17]

Exactly, thats why the glasses broke and the eye bleed when he´s summoning the dead.

[assaindude]

ocelot shot him wen snake bumped into ocelot so ocelot will miss shootong tatyana

[linkinpark444]

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if you click R1 like it says to, and look all the way to the right, you can see the sorrow looking at you, then disappearing.

[Zirsquishy]

GAHA LOL

[hotpockets222]

God I love how The Sorrow cries blood like that. How he only cries through the eye where he got shot, Also love that he's the father to Ocelot.

[hitamanda]

@hotpockets222 wait wait what O.o i tho ocelot have nothing to do with big boss?

[supertank7911]

@hotpockets222 they looked like each other u know :)

[michael123ize]

@hotpockets222 how can you tell the sorrow is the farther of ocelot

[XXJohn0DoeXX]

Naked Snakes name is John. They explain in the beginning that Jack is just a nickname.

[lineb9]

No, he refered as john doe which is used for people who got no name the boss called him jack for short :o

[XXJohn0DoeXX]

Actually John Doe is the name they give to unidentified corpses in the morgue and it eventually became sonomous with anonymity. However Major Zero and The Boss both tell you at the beginning that Jack is not his real name, its a nickname.

[rob2lapper]

the boss and sorrow were lovers they had a boink and boss got pregnant with ocelot

[solidbeaver]

"The spirit of the warrior will always be with you" That was a really corny and cheesy line for a hideo kojima game

[BigHashTouraj]

they need people like for the next metal gear, short and original story and lots of gameplay

[mptyyegdlc]

There's something that really beats me...

If Ocelot tryed to kill Naked Snake so many times, he even took his eye... how could them both ended up as comrades later on?

The Fox unit will be disbanded, Naked Snake (then Big Boss) will create FoxHound and will be the commander of many dudes (Ocelot among them).

[SemiSpark]

ocelot was codename adam

ocelot ate snake's animal food to be like him

ocelot shots snake's body instead of his head in the airplane

[solidbeaver]

You mean Ocelot's codename is Ocelot, Adamska is his name. He shot his body because deep in himself he admired big boss.

[SemiSpark]

adamska is his real name

ocelot is his codename

adam is his codename with snake

[bigboss081]

actually i think adamska was his codename because its a witty way to hide his codename from volgin and the others

[Dieenejeweetwel]

his name is shalashaska so he says in part 2 could be another devirsion but..

[dpmm7]

shalashaska is what they called him in like the middle east , his name is adam

[Dieenejeweetwel]

that's also a code name that was the name of eva(big momma) right?

[dpmm7]

sorta, it was ocelots code name because he worked for 3 orginizations, The director of the Central Intelligence Agency asked ocelot to help snake to defeat the cobras and shagohod , and he was originally supposed to be the one to rendevouz with snake as the rassevet, but since EVA showed up snake thought she was "ADAM" but that wasnt her code name, her code names were EVA and tatyana , although neither one is her real name, EVA and ADAM were originally the name of 2 NSA codebreakers

[Dieenejeweetwel]

yeah that makes sense haven't played mgs 3 in about 3 years :P

[dpmm7]

haha i played it just havent beaten in a while, but i still got the story for all the games down

[Tailsfan777]

dude at the end of the game if u know voices well ocelot says he is adam he says and i quite:"i dont think volgen knew i was adam" no im not a nerd but i just got done playing it XD o and i think the reason every1 likes the sorrow is cause he is the most interesting character :)

[topdoginthepin]

actually he says "NO ONE knew I was ADAM" I haven't played in years and I knew that lol

[Jacko459]

You qoute not quite.

[solidbeaver]

Ocelot wasn't inside FoxHound was him? After he disbanded foxhound, liquid took control and ocelot was part of it.

[shazamkid]

how did the sorrow die, please explain.

[STROWASSER]

When the Cobras spreat all over the world, the Sorrow went into the UDSSR to serve as a soldier and the boss went to the CIA. One day the Boss was sent to the UDSSR to do a rescue mission and the Sorrow was the one, who guarded that place and so they had to fight but Sorrow offered himself, because he liked the Boss that much. So the Boss killed the Sorrow and since then, his Ghost is protecting her

[caseynotinjapan]

It wasn't exactly that way.

The Sorrow and The Boss, both lifetime soldiers and fairly intellectual individuals, have a keen understanding conflict and the nature of war. They also share a bond deeper than "love" because of the trials they faced together. Keeping this in mind it's not difficult to assume that they recognized eachother and quickly stopped their conflict. They both understood that only one may walk away, keeping pride and being loyal, so he offered himself to her out of love.

[key0blade]

The Sorrow is Ocelot's father. The Boss is Ocelot's mother.

[ahmadov]

how did you know that

[key0blade]

I like MGS3....and it's in the Metal Gear Database....Besides, dont they look alike? And I think it was explained in a few cutscenes in MGS3.

[zeekee]

how do you now that?

[key0blade]

I like MGS3....and it's in the Metal Gear Database....Besides, dont they look alike? And I think it was explained in a few cutscenes in MGS3.

That's EXACTLY what I said a month ago.

[Tuxedo12]

UDSSR? Is that the same as USSR? UDSSR is the German version of USSR is it?

[ahmadov]

from where did you understand that,in the cutsene he only says kill me,coudnt that mean that she defeated him but coudnt kill him

[gerry13cs]

the boss killed the sorrow.they used to be comrades but boss' mission was to kill him.that's why the sorrow is always with her and he sometimes appear...

[MGREGS2010]

if you hit the R1 button u can see the sorrow floating upward.

[shazamkid]

how did the sorrow die?

[stephenkennedy08]

boss kills him on a mission

[Ganonmustdie2]

That guy must've paid thousands of dollars in glasses. Maybe a monicle on his non-bleeding eye would've worked.

[here57]

**hint**

after killing the boss

and the horse comes along

press r1 and you'll see them both

sorrow and joy

[here57]

hes my favorite person in mgs3

[neodark11]

how many snakes are there? I know naked sanke, solidos snake liquid snake and solid snake.

[luiti5]

solid snake and liquid snake are naked snakes sons and nakes snake changes name to big boss...

(SPOILER)

solidous is kinda clone of naked snake ( big boss)

[jakoblangley]

snake is a elite codename, you can say that the first snake real name was, Jack, that is possible the real name of naked snaked the later big boss who gets his codename after defeating the boss, every other snake is a copy of a elite soldier so they all share the battlefield codename "snake" but you forgot someone who after years of virtual trainning and after finishing a proto mission who was all about reacting the shadow mosses battle got his elite codename.. Jack ;) you know... Raiden.

[pringzter104]

"the spirit of the warrior will always be with you..."

EPIC!!!

[FusionGuitarist]

In MGS 4, after you kill Mantis, you hear the Sorrow say "The Spirit of the warrior will always be with you...". Why?

[caseynotinjapan]

Commenting on the whole meme theme MGS has going for it. Think of it as The Sorrow directly addressing Snake, even though the line has been used before. The Boss had the spirit of the warrior, naked snake killed her and inherited it, solid snake "killed" big boss and inherited it, Raiden has it near the end of MGS2, but snake eventually ends with it.

[FusionGuitarist]

Well I guess that answers it...So then my second question, when the hell do they tell you that Ocelot is the son of Boss and Sorrow???

[SwtSug3742]

you have to have played the game to understand it -.-

[FusionGuitarist]

Ok yes I played all of the games, but sorry if the timespan between MGS3 and MGS4 was far apart that I forgot about this...smartass.

[lawrargh]

snake is hot

[darkerwolf08]

it took me 3 days to get past this part because my versions in spanish so i was looking at everything thinking wtf? eventually i relised that holding L2 brings up the revival pill thingy ... if my game was in english i would have done it straight away

[shawni0010]

To defeat him fast just kill your self and then press L2 and take revival pill.. Done

[raymflame]

i got one question if you end the river thingy sorrow when he screams right, snake will pass out like one hit k.o right but when you use the revival pin you will see the spirit camo right?? i meant you got revived after the cutscene where can i find the spirit camo?

[mountaindrew007]

GOOD MAN!!! (HUGS YOU)

[jjnnvjnfdjkvkjnfv]

is this how to defeat sorrow ?? if that's true ,then what shall we do to attempt so ??

[mellisco]

to defeat him just folow the river to the end and a scream will pop up and youll pass out

[TheMusrich888]

ya know, it wasn't until my second playthrough (which is what i'm playing currently) that i understood what The Boss and The Sorrow were talking about.