Christmas (Mass of Christ) was created by the sexually perverted Roman Catholic church. The Catholic church was created by Lucifer (Satan).
Why do most non-Catholics, and many Christians, celebrate this wildly wicked weird witchcraft holiday from the weathered old Roman religion of rapists? It's beautiful side of evil? ...Well, evil, is still evil, no matter how it is served to you. A curse shall be on all who celebrate this. Easter is also pagan!
@TruthTeller878 You are too ignorant to know what truth is. You have no evidence, just your baseless opinionated claims. What is evil is your misinformation. Proof that your claims are without merit, the Catholic church forbade people from reading the Bible because it is DIFFERENT from what Catholicism taught and that means the Bible didn't come from the Catholic church and the Bible says that Jesus rose from the dead, which is the reason for Easter, independent of Catholic influence.
To learn the truth about Jesus and his rise from death, go to TruthContest (dot)com and read The Present (with religion). Show this to others instead of perpetuating deception and myth this Easter.
yo this is the most beautiful song ive ever herd in my entire life....praise god!!!!!he changed me so much... if u all only knew i mean my story aint the only story but what a change what a love god has for me i feel it need no one to tell me i see it my neck is so loose i feel it praise god the most high lord of the starry host!praise him god of israel!thank u my creator.look!the same breath u given me praise u!how wonderfulllll.how mysteryest..come to jesus!hes the only way,its the only way.
wow - what's with all the theology arguments? aren't there other sites for that kind of thing? beautiful music, gifted voices, timeless message. thanks for sharing it. I'm just getting into YouTube and looking up my favorite praise and worship music and worhipers. Be Blessed!
"I invite you to identify the failures of the parallel. Zeus is a fictional god written about by Homer. YHWH is a fictional god written about by Homer. Same same." You've changed the arguements direction from being about Jesus' existence to being about whether the claim about Jesus being God is valid, I'd love to argue that point but shouldn't we continue the discussion about Jesus existence? The arguement is illogical in that Zeus was written about, Jesus was SEEN in the flesh. BigDifference
"Ultimately, one of us is wrong and only death will show us who."
That may be true, but is it reasonable to embrace as reality that for which no evidence can be shown?
Big Foot may well exist in the woods around my house (so the local myths say), and I cannot prove that he doesn't. But until I see valid evidence I won't claim to be his son or brother or friend or follower.
There is only one truth and you are seemingly convinced of something to the point that you generalize or belittle others who believe differently ('every rational and educated person . . ., only delusional people . . .).
The main point here is whether Jesus existed. You believe he did not and request historical proof. My response to you is to treat the NT writers fairly as even those who disagree with me have shown (M. Grant). I am not here to question your education or insult you (cont)
to this discussion of whether Jesus did in fact exist. If you've encountered 'ZERO documented evidence' over the course of 'half a century,' then it begs the question of what exactly you have been reading or where your motivations lie. The truth may be unaffected by the motivations of the observer, but the motivations are still there and usually do affect the interpretation of truth or denial of it.
I believe that the Jesus of the Bible was real person who lived and died. You do not. (cont)
If you know of any contemporary, objective third-party testimony to the historicity of JC, please tell me about it.
But as there seems to be no such document in existence, your blame of me for not reading this non-existent source is rather naive.
"The main point here is whether Jesus existed."
That;'s right. And when you come up with valid evidence to that effect, I'll be delighted to consider it. Until then you;re just chanting a religious cliché.
@Imaginefree69 - my point was never to mention Mr. Grant's other points of argument against the gospel writers/records, only that we must conclude they are relevant to the historical validity of Jesus as person who existed. You have consistently denied or challenged that Jesus lived or that there is proof of his existence (ZERO evidence . . . , list three historical writers . . ., etc). I was simply quoting someone, even someone I don't fully agree with, who agrees that the NT is relevant (more)
It doesn't matter a bit that some people choose to "agrees that the NT is relevant."
Joe Smith wrote about the angel Macaroni giving him the golden plates, too, in the Book of Mormon. But without contemporary, third-part objective witness that impresses me less than you might expect.
Ditto the religious records of YOUR religion.
Even Jesus himself said that a single witness is not a reliable source of information. Good grief, man, at least you should listen to HIM.
At the Nicene Council the Roman Catholic Church decreed concerning “Easter”:
“It was decreed by common consent to be expedient, that this festival should be celebrated on the same day in every place… it seemed to everyone a most unworthy thing that we should follow the custom of the Jews..., who, polluted wretches! Having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews.
"if we apply to the NT, as we should, the same criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned." - Michael Grant, Jesus: An Historian's Review, pp 199-200.
My "interest in believing" is completely irrelevant, as every rational and educated person knows very well.
The truth is unaffected by the motivation of the observer.
Only delusional people think that their beliefs affect historical reality.
It is interesting to me that your vaunted Michael grant, while asserting the historicity of Jesus, reveals many contradictions and errors and lies in the original gospel texts. You seem to have forgotten to tell us that part.
@Imaginefree69 - trying to discredit an argument for someone's existence by saying the source wasn't alive at the time is weak. While some scholars and philosophers may not believe that Jesus was a historical figure (G.A. Wells or Michael Martin), it is a small number. Listing sources or documenting the evidence for Jesus life is not something you really seem interested in believing.
Anyone can sit down and write fairy tales about events which have no living witness. What could be more fool-proof? No eye witnesses means no refutation, which in the case of religious writings generally means no responsibility and no accountability.
It is policy in today's medical profession to re-confirm the patient's identity every time visual contact is broken. But you want us to believe tales written in subsequent generations?
@Imaginefree69 "There is ZERO historical, archaeological, scientific, or practical evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived.
If you really wish to claim otherwise, please put your EVIDENCE on the table.
No evidence, no reality."
". . . these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life."
Technically speaking, until the time of video recordings there is NO way to prove anything that happened in the past. So the burden of proof is on both sides.
When people make claims for past or future events,
claims for which evidence is not readily available, the burden of proof is squarely upon the claimant.
I have met many people claiming to be Jesus, or to be guided and controlled by God, or to be members of the crew of the USS Enterprise. I have no need to prove them wrong; their inability to prove themselves right is sufficient to conclude that they are deluded.
To the person who wants proof of Christs existence. . . um I don't know if you are aware of this or not but every religious group and every non-religious historical writer from the time of Christs life will tell you he existed. Its not even a debate among atheists who know their history. You don't have to believe Jesus was the Son of God, but to say there is no proof of his existence is to deny documented reality.
"every non-religious historical writer from the time of Christs life"
Please list three historical writers rom the time of Christ's life"
who tell us that he existed.
Seriously.
I challenge your assertion and request that you either support it with evidence or withdraw it, acknowledging that you are spewing religious dogma rather than historical fact.
Lying for your religion, in other words.
Failure to respond indicates acknowledgement of your false assertion.
@Imaginefree69 1. hmmm so I have to give you names of people who prove Jesus lived but you don't have to provide names of dissenters from the time of Christ. I see how it is. Haha that is so stupid. I can give you lots of accounts of Christ’s life. hmmm where to begin. A. the Bible, interestingly enough the bible is more accurate then and has more manuscripts then any other writing of the time, including writings that atheists like you claim are historical fact. hmmm interesting.
@Imaginefree69 I love that. Any non-believer evedince. Hm, so Im suppose to find the 1 guy that saw Jesus die on the cross and rise again and not believe And Then you'll believe. Illogical arguement. BTW, Homer and Zeus is also an illogical argumnt. There is no good parallel between them.
"so Im suppose to find the 1 guy that saw Jesus die on the cross and rise again and not believe "
Another claim for you to support with evidence.
Was there just one man who fits this description?
Or were there NONE?
Until you can produce evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to think that the death and resurrection (which no one even CLAIMED to have seen, BTW) ever happened.
Reality is that which produces evidence.
As you have demonstrated that you have ZERO evidence...
@Imaginefree69 1. hmmm so I have to give you names of people who prove Jesus lived but you don't have to provide names of dissenters from the time of Christ. I see how it is. Haha that is so stupid. I can give you lots of accounts of Christ’s life. hmmm where to begin. A. the Bible, interestingly enough the bible is more accurate then and has more manuscripts then any other writing of the time, including writings that atheists like you claim are historical fact. hmmm interesting.
@Imaginefree69 C. Historical and period writings from others; Lucian who mocked Christians for following Christ, Pliny a government official, Suetonius another government guy, Tacitus who said "Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called 'Christians'....Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate" and Josephus a Jewish historian.
@Imaginefree69 Ultimately, there is No denying Christs historical record simple because this kind of story could not have transpired in the illogical way that you atheists say it did.....it would be illogical and impossible. The Atheists account of this is just too fictional to be believable.
@beefpattieskf "it would be illogical and impossible. " You claimed to have evidence and you LIED. What would you know about truth? And what, to point to yet another of your vague accusations, do you imagine the "Atheists account" to be? Well, what? The only "Atheist account" of the Jesus myth is, "please show us some valid evidence if this is true." Well, you've shown us the evidence. Lies, twisted words, false accusations, and falsified witnesses. Your evidence is convincing to me, pattie!
@Imaginefree69 So there was no Christ.....and then someone made it up that there was a Christ and no one ever challenged the claim and then all of the sudden there are all these Christians running around...and no one is telling them that their claim that Christ existed and died a year ago back in a.d. 31 isn't true; even though the Jewish leaders want to stop the spread of Christianity they didn't bring up the Imaginefree69 "FACT" that Christ never existed…. that is too silly.
@Imaginefree69 One of the best examples of Christ’s being real is an atheist like you, who spends all your time devoted to proving he isn’t real. If Christ isn’t real why is this such a big deal to you? And don’t give me the illogical ‘Christians are destroying the world’ thing, because that isn’t worth responding to it’s so stupid and incompetent.
I see your attempt to evade the evidence by personalizing the discussion, and I call you on it.
My motives have zero effect on the facts and the evidence.
Nice try, but now please respond to the FACT that you have deliberately posted as contemporary eyewitnesses, men who were not alive at the time of Jesus.
It's a typically unethical, dishonest tactic practised by Creationists and Christians in huge numbers.
Really, the best evidence against Christianity is Christians.
@Imaginefree69 I love how you skirt the good arguments that I bring by accusing me of being dishonest and only responding to my statement about atheists and not responding to my fact based arguments. “aha! you are personalizing this, you Christian weezel!” “Aha! though you have given my historical accounts of Christ from His time period my response is that You have given me figures who didn’t live in 31 a.d. but in 37 a.d…..” hmmm soooo a historical record 30 years after Christ means Im Wrong!
@Imaginefree69 The Reason you are doing it is because Christ’s existence bothers you and you want to erase it. Also you have No purpose besides attacking Christians, because there is no purpose in an atheists world, apart from God there is nothing but empty actions.
I LOVE GLAD, I have always wanted to get a group of guys together than can sing this kind of music. It is just such amazing music and so difficult to sing with all the intricate parts in it. So gorgeous. My favorite group of acapella singers of all time. Best ever.
Easter is a Pagan Holiday. You worthless fucking Christians are nothing but thieves. This is the day to celebrate the Spring Solstice while priests can finger bang the grassy assholes of innocent bunny rabbits while reciting Revelations.
@JeersMate Wow! If I hadn't laughed so hard, I might have been angry! Have you actually studied the differences between Easter in the Bible and the Solstice?
@Imaginefree69 Come again? Care to back that one up with some actual documentation? No? It's an easy thing to say but you'd better have something factual to back that one up, or it's simply beneath you.
@Imaginefree69 If you simply said something that you don't feel like having to back up, or possibly realize that you might have made a mistake but don't want to have to admit it, then just say so. Otherwise it's just a clever (sort-of) dodge, another way of saying, "I am saying this and you will accept it because I say so." Which is ironic since you accuse me of accepting the Bible on exactly those grounds.
As for the other part, I do admire the way you say something negative about me (cont)
@Imaginefree69 "document a lack of documentation." That is a word game all unto itself.
All right, perhaps that wasn't the intention, but it's still the end result. You make a statement, you get called on it, you resort to semantics to keep from having to back it up. Easter did happen in "one place" no matter which version of the Bible you read, and it is extremely important. It's the part about it being a "a deliberate mis-translation of "Passover." that needs clarification.
Very impressive, f course, but meaningless in the context of this discussion because, Neal, these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life.
"The Gospels" is another meaningless term.
Only three of the gospel writers AT MOST were alive in "Jesus' day", and all four of them contradict one another, negating all claims of unity and "inspired scripture."
@Imaginefree69 "these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life"
No, they weren't. Nobody has said they were. Nor has any modern scholar said that any of them thought Jesus was a great guy, even Josephus. But they ALL attest to the continued influence of this "alleged" man, which tends to lead more to the "actual" than the "alleged."
And no, the Gospels do not contradict each other.
Which I'm beginning to thing you know perfectly well.
"they ALL attest to the continued influence of this "alleged" man,"
Sure. And Homer reports that Achilles was the hero of the battle of Troy, which Zeus and Hera helped him to win. The literature supporting the long-lasting influence of the god Zeus is very extensive.
So what?
With no objective eyewitness accounts, you have nothing but hearsay, with the most contemporary being a full generation after the alleged death of the alleged Jesus.
@Imaginefree69 "with the most contemporary being a full generation after the alleged death of the alleged Jesus." I'll admit that I have only read a few theologians and historians on this, but frankly nobody to the right of John Dominic Crossan (and that covers a lot of ground as John was very, very left) says it was that late. Most that I've read agree that it was well within a generation of His resurrection. And again, if the eyewitness accounts were so inacurate, where are the refutations?
The politics of the critics have no relevance to the evidence.
Can you say "red herring"?
AS for your "refutations", which I have already covered on another page, that's another red herring. We know that there were many messianic zealots running around in those days. Your Bible even says that some assumed Jesus to be another of them. So tell me, Neal, where are the refutations to THEIR claims?
Answer- why would any literate man bother writing refutations, and who would preserve them?
@Imaginefree69 I would like to assume that you are actually familiar with the answers to these, but here goes.
Whether both were supposed to be Joseph's genetic father or not is more than a little in debate. It's very likely that one or the other was not supposed to be biological but perhaps an uncle or guardian who, under Jewish law and custom, Joseph would still be the legal heir. Matthew's geneology was selective, this is not disputed, whereas Luke's was more detailed in keeping with (cont)
@05neal Still playing games, eh? *sigh* Luke 3:23 Joseph, which was the son of Heli I never claimed that this verse said "begat." But then it never occurred to me that you might have difficulty understanding "was the son" I see that I overestimated you again. Seriously, man- you are an intelligent adult. What do you imagine you are accomplishing by playing such pre-adolescent games? NOT a rhetorical question. I really would like to know. You seem to be trying to make little game "points."
@Imaginefree69 background as a doctor and his claim to have researched the subject..
Ignoring your repeated use of the KJV as if you were scoring a point against me that way (if you can't get past that, I'm sorry,) the answer is, they all did. They all saw Him at different times and visited at different times.
Did Jesus drink from the sponge? Not the first time. He did the second time.
Some combination of "It is finished," and "Into your hands I commit my spirit."
@Imaginefree69 This will be my last word on the "cherry-picking" argument because it has gotten way out of hand.
It stems from two words, "unicorn" and "Easter." They don't appear in any other version, but you trumpeted them as if they proved the Bible was wrong. They didn't. I'm sorry it has gone this far. I wish I had understood a little better then what I do now. I'm sorry.
@Imaginefree69 God is taking me in a different direction. I will be deleting my account by the end of the day. I hope you do well, in all the ways I've hoped and prayed for.
I've enjoyed the conversation and I've enjoyed knowing you. I hope we will see each other in Heaven.
"They all saw Him at different times and visited at different times."
That's not what the text says.
Your little one-line opinions (or shall I say "dogmas" are not sufficient, neal. Show me these "different times" in the scripture (you can't, unless poor Mary was trotting back and forth to the graveyard over and over while it was still early morning).
"Did Jesus drink from the sponge? Not the first time. He did the second time."
@Imaginefree69 I did. If you want to do comparisons of the text and show how they all refer to the same event but contradict each other, fine. Then I will do the same, showing how they don't. But you make accusations and then leave it to me to do all the legwork.
I don't know, maybe not such a bad idea. Good material for a video series, eh?
@Imaginefree69 any Jewish people? I used to live in New York City and I did know many, and they explained to me that the day starts at first light and ends when it's so dark you can't tell a white thread from a black thread. Besides that, the "bronze-age shepherds" didn't recon or recount days the same way we do, as progressive 24-hour increments. Three days didn't have to be three literal 24-hour periods. From Friday evening to Sunday morning was still recognized as three days.
"From Friday evening to Sunday morning was still recognized as three days."
THis is a tired old lie from the earliest rational folks to point out the contradiction. And it carefully (very carefully) avoids quoting the words in my question:
according to your Bible, Friday evening to daybreak Sunday was not just "three days", but "three days and three nights."
Care to show me the three nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning, neal?
@Imaginefree69 Judas hanged himself, and eventually his corpse fell from the tree and split open on the ground.
The Sanhedrin purchased the Potter's Field. They used the money that Judas threw back into the Temple. Since it was blood money, it was still reckoned as Judas', so by some reckonings it could be said that Judas bought the field. The field is still there, called the Field of Blood and nobody ever goes there. It's a burial field.
When you make these irrational statements, how is a rational man supposed to respond?
1- The Greek word PASCHA, taken from the Hebrew word PESACH, means "Passover" and nothing BUT Passover.
2- EASTER was a pagan holiday celebrating the goddess Ēastre, from which we get the word ESTRUS, referring to fertility. The decision to blatantly replace PASSOVER with EASTER was simply an application of the folk wisdom, "if you can't beat them, join them."
It is absurd and irrational to say that a pagan holiday "happened in one place", as the day occurs globally and has been celebrated as the day of Ashtoreth in ancient Israel, Aphrodite in ancient Cyprus, Astarte in ancient Greece, Hathor in ancient Egypt, Ishtar in Assyria and Babylon, and Ostara in Norway.
Only in the KJV is PASACH perverted deliberately to EASTER so as to be palatable to pagans at the expense of the truth.
@Imaginefree69 Thank you for the information, you've taught me things I honestly did not know. However, we run again up against the wall of the KJV. I understand your reasons for using it exclusively, but that means that as often as you're right, you're wrong just as often by citing one source and one source only, and not one that is universally utilized either. If you're trying to argue with the "fundamentalists" that's one thing, but when you're talking to people like me, that's another.
"Thank you for the information, you've taught me things I honestly did not know."
I'm speechless.
You're very welcome.
"when you're talking to people like me"
I have promptly and gladly gone into the original languages for you, neal, but you rejected that, too. I can't make you happy if you reject everything I do.
"I apparently didn't understand you were doing that."
Excuse me;
doing WHAT, exactly?
Quoting directly from the Bible?
Or what?
BTW, you'll notice that Judas fell "headlong" when he burst open. In both English and Greek (more so in Greek) this word implies "in a rush; with reckless haste."
It's very different from the plop of a rotted corpse.
Nor is there the slightest hint in Acts 1 of any intervening period of hanging and rotting.
If you prefer not to reply, I'll let it go, but I'm wondering how you made out with the gospel contradictions I offered? Your response SEEMS to me to suggest that you believe at least some of them to exist only in the KJV.
But that's only IF you were referring to them, which I am not sure of.
I also doubt that the KJV revisionists documented the fact and the reason for their deliberate alteration of the text, but evidence exists in plenty to show that they knew very well that PASACH is the Greek word for Passover. So the deliberate-ness of their lie is evident.
I hope that this satisfies your need to continually accuse me of failure to document a perfectly obvious fact.
@Imaginefree69 Yes, it does, and I thank you very much for doing it. By doing so you've taught me something valuable that I did not know before, and for that I thank you. This does not bypass the problem, clumsily stated by me on other occasions but true nonetheless, that your use of only one translation can be (at best) problematic in terms of actually trying to get at the truth. When you stick to the Hebrew and the Greek,, even though we disagree, I find your arguments much better.
@Imaginefree69 Also, because it wasn't perfectly obvious to someone not well-versed in the KJV (which would include me) I did need you to "document the lack of documentation." I cannot stress how grateful I am that you did so and the opportunity if affforded me. I was not trying to "accuse" you of deliberate falsehood, although as in the past, I let the moment run away with me. I'm sorry about that. But information is better than no information, n'est ce pas?
@05neal Dude. I just ran into this again, and would like to re-answer: I said "Easter... occurs in only ONE place in the KJV, and is a deliberate mis-translation of "Passover."" You said "Care to back that one up with some actual documentation?" I wish I had said "Acts 12:4" That might have simplified things.
Some say we can't support our beliefs with real concrete evidence, thereby only having faith in what we believe. I would rather have faith now . If I'm wrong no big loss, but if i refused to have faith and then I was wrong the consequences would be eternal.
Always loved Annie's song, and the group GLAD as well. Never knew Bob Kauflin (lead singer) had such an ego though! Wow - he get's the "I am GOD" light and focus, the rest of the group look like they've cast into outer darkness :)
That's not Bob Kauflin. He arranged the song, but I think he was out of the group by this time. He left in the early to mid '80s. This is late 80s if not early 90s.
@SteveO1029 I don't know that it worked for Ed though. It makes him look like he has bad teeth. That's bothered me every time I watch this. Lol, love the music though. My mom and I would listen to Glad and 2nd Chapter of Acts when I was little. And Rich Mullins. People might make fun of a 22 year old that likes this stuff, but whatever. It glorifies God and that is all that is important to me.
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There's more so it's right? There were a lot more Egyptians and believers in Egyptian gods than there were Jews. Were they right?
Why is believing in something with NO EVIDENCE considered a virtue? I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster; should you respect me for that?
"Asking for evidence" of something as important as God, heaven, and hell is an absurdity? The fact that I can PROVE that HORSE SHIT exists and can't prove that God does shows what an absurdity God is!!!
@Imaginefree69 There are many very scholarly books about the validity of the Bible, much better than anything Dawkins wrote. So no, faith is not the only substance.
@Imaginefree69 I had to go down and read whatever started the arguement on the top of the comments, but this is just ridiculous.
"There is NO evidence... for the historicity of Jesus"?
E for effort on rejecting the truth when you know better. I suppose you have heard of hundreds of people willingly subjecting themselves to brutal deaths for not rejecting a religion that they knew, absolutely, in their hearts, was false? Don't reject truth out of spite. Doesn't make it go away.
"There is NO evidence... for the historicity of Jesus"
Well, that is a true and accurate assertion.
If you wish to rebut it, you will have to do much better than pointing to martyrs.
People die for all sorts of causes, all the time.
People die for Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Communism, Democracy, Capitalism, and lots of other causes. Hell, many indigenous people have died trying to prevent christianity from destroying their religion, culture, and community!
@Imaginefree69 my point was that, while you are right in saying:
"...People die for Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Communism, Democracy, Capitalism, and lots of other causes..."
the early christians were in a unique position to know of the truth or untruth of Christ's claims. people don't willingly go to die for a cause that they know is false. would you "die for _____ cause" if you knew that it was actually a bullshit ploy to enrich Joe Cool?
Human experience is comprised of the senses. Human experience is physical evidence. I'll ask again, is there another kind of experience?
"How about actually address the quote instead of attacking the person who made it?"
I did address it dipshit. I asked you to demonstrate evidence of "another world" or another reality (as Lewis was asserting). When I directly replied to Lewis' assertion of another world, you got retarded. ; )
When someone dies, they clearly have ceased to exist. This is a reasonable observation. To propose that a part of their consciousness and memories goes on has ZERO EVIDENCE.
Reasonable observation? How do you observe the afterlife? The orthodox Christian position is that the soul departs immediately into the presence of Christ or to Hell. Then one day, our bodies will be resurrected from the grave and will be reunited with our souls.
Yes, seeing a dead person dead is reasonable. They have ceased to be. That's what dead is. The notion of an afterlife is unfounded. On what evidence can you assert there is an afterlife? once you have sufficiently proved an afterlife, with REAL evidence; how can you demonstrate you second assertion that there is a Christ or a Hell. Last, do you have any evidence of your last assertion; bodies lose souls then get them back?
I am and always will be a Take 6 fan but the one thing I know.. Is that Glad was doing this stuff before Take 6 came out in 1987-88.Its not about competition or anything I just know that Glads Harmonies and messages are definitely blessed and Id love to hear Glad and Take 6 collaborate on a CD someday!
My Favorite Glad Song is"Depending on Your Love" - This song is definitely on a T6 Level :)
Still one of my favorite's of all time. I can still remember the day I first heard it on cassette!
MrDiamondcut 1 week ago
Just bought this arrangement off their website. Pretty challenging tune. Bass has several D's and C#'s and even a C near the end haha.
cpjds1 3 months ago
he is so bald who is he kidding with that shaggy hair.
ccrimewave 9 months ago
REASON, EMOTION & TRUTH:
Christmas (Mass of Christ) was created by the sexually perverted Roman Catholic church. The Catholic church was created by Lucifer (Satan).
Why do most non-Catholics, and many Christians, celebrate this wildly wicked weird witchcraft holiday from the weathered old Roman religion of rapists? It's beautiful side of evil? ...Well, evil, is still evil, no matter how it is served to you. A curse shall be on all who celebrate this. Easter is also pagan!
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TruthTeller878 9 months ago
@TruthTeller878 You are too ignorant to know what truth is. You have no evidence, just your baseless opinionated claims. What is evil is your misinformation. Proof that your claims are without merit, the Catholic church forbade people from reading the Bible because it is DIFFERENT from what Catholicism taught and that means the Bible didn't come from the Catholic church and the Bible says that Jesus rose from the dead, which is the reason for Easter, independent of Catholic influence.
RaidrWolf 2 months ago
Easter needs more love - we have an Easter song too /watch?v=YIwLHUHdUj0&feature=channel_video_title
romieromak 9 months ago
To learn the truth about Jesus and his rise from death, go to TruthContest (dot)com and read The Present (with religion). Show this to others instead of perpetuating deception and myth this Easter.
vividDC 9 months ago
HE IS RISEN INDEED!!! PRAISE HIM.
merobrien 9 months ago
WOW!! I haven't heard these guys in years, but I always truly loved and enjoyed their music. Thanks for posting this and GOD BLESS YOU AND GLAD!!!
Americanjazzlady 9 months ago
Glad...Still one of the best Christian acappella groups that ever existed!
guibox3 9 months ago 3
Love this group and love this chune
xBattleZonexDefender 9 months ago
Excellent blazer, Ed!
sparkybish 9 months ago
gaga easter egg
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v2rshan 9 months ago
Okay, I found it but I didn't want the whole book. Just the one song. Thank you.
MrsArtsy 9 months ago
@MrsArtsy They have it on glad sheet music section for SATB, keep on searching.
A4jesus 9 months ago
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secrets1111 9 months ago
Where can I get the sheet music for a choir for this?
MrsArtsy 9 months ago
@MrsArtsy in their website Glad-pro dot com.
A4jesus 9 months ago
@A4jesus That just took to Glad products page lol.
MrsArtsy 9 months ago
@MrsArtsy Nope, just type: glad-pro dot com
A4jesus 9 months ago
I used to love this song! Thank you for posting!
lucylulu1210 9 months ago
@lucylulu1210 used to? awww, not anymore?
Runaholism 9 months ago
@Runaholism no I still love it! I just hadn't heard it in forever :)
lucylulu1210 9 months ago
yo this is the most beautiful song ive ever herd in my entire life....praise god!!!!!he changed me so much... if u all only knew i mean my story aint the only story but what a change what a love god has for me i feel it need no one to tell me i see it my neck is so loose i feel it praise god the most high lord of the starry host!praise him god of israel!thank u my creator.look!the same breath u given me praise u!how wonderfulllll.how mysteryest..come to jesus!hes the only way,its the only way.
prone2101 10 months ago
AHHHHHHHH-LE-LUIA!!!!!!!! Sang GLAD!!!
kingdombread 10 months ago
our choir is singing this for easter :-)
bzirkle86 10 months ago
Perfeito.. Gloria a Deus
Perfect.... Glory the Lord
RogerioBVieira 11 months ago
hmmm, so if I give you evidence you will believe. Well then believe the evidence that I have given.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
The Commandments stand, don't be deceived by the enemy.
Revelation 12:17, Revelation 14:12, Revelation 22:14
faxchase 1 year ago
wow - what's with all the theology arguments? aren't there other sites for that kind of thing? beautiful music, gifted voices, timeless message. thanks for sharing it. I'm just getting into YouTube and looking up my favorite praise and worship music and worhipers. Be Blessed!
pam2viph 1 year ago
Thank you so much for sharing this song! It blesses and lifts up my heart! :-)
3thingsremain 1 year ago
"I invite you to identify the failures of the parallel. Zeus is a fictional god written about by Homer. YHWH is a fictional god written about by Homer. Same same." You've changed the arguements direction from being about Jesus' existence to being about whether the claim about Jesus being God is valid, I'd love to argue that point but shouldn't we continue the discussion about Jesus existence? The arguement is illogical in that Zeus was written about, Jesus was SEEN in the flesh. BigDifference
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
"You've changed the arguements direction from being about Jesus' existence to being about whether the claim about Jesus being God is valid, "
Bullshit.
I have no interest in your internal debate about the deity of Jesus.
If you have any valid evidence that Jesus existed, put it on the table.
If you do not, there's nothing to talk about.
" Zeus was written about, Jesus was SEEN"
It was written that Zeus was seen.
It was written that Jesus was seen.
Same same, no need to twist it.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I am not here to write a thesis on the historicity of Jesus life either. Other well-educated men and women have already done that from both sides.
Ultimately, one of us is wrong and only death will show us who.
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
"Ultimately, one of us is wrong and only death will show us who."
That may be true, but is it reasonable to embrace as reality that for which no evidence can be shown?
Big Foot may well exist in the woods around my house (so the local myths say), and I cannot prove that he doesn't. But until I see valid evidence I won't claim to be his son or brother or friend or follower.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
There is only one truth and you are seemingly convinced of something to the point that you generalize or belittle others who believe differently ('every rational and educated person . . ., only delusional people . . .).
The main point here is whether Jesus existed. You believe he did not and request historical proof. My response to you is to treat the NT writers fairly as even those who disagree with me have shown (M. Grant). I am not here to question your education or insult you (cont)
jrk1973 1 year ago
to this discussion of whether Jesus did in fact exist. If you've encountered 'ZERO documented evidence' over the course of 'half a century,' then it begs the question of what exactly you have been reading or where your motivations lie. The truth may be unaffected by the motivations of the observer, but the motivations are still there and usually do affect the interpretation of truth or denial of it.
I believe that the Jesus of the Bible was real person who lived and died. You do not. (cont)
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
"what exactly you have been reading"
If you know of any contemporary, objective third-party testimony to the historicity of JC, please tell me about it.
But as there seems to be no such document in existence, your blame of me for not reading this non-existent source is rather naive.
"The main point here is whether Jesus existed."
That;'s right. And when you come up with valid evidence to that effect, I'll be delighted to consider it. Until then you;re just chanting a religious cliché.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 - my point was never to mention Mr. Grant's other points of argument against the gospel writers/records, only that we must conclude they are relevant to the historical validity of Jesus as person who existed. You have consistently denied or challenged that Jesus lived or that there is proof of his existence (ZERO evidence . . . , list three historical writers . . ., etc). I was simply quoting someone, even someone I don't fully agree with, who agrees that the NT is relevant (more)
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
It doesn't matter a bit that some people choose to "agrees that the NT is relevant."
Joe Smith wrote about the angel Macaroni giving him the golden plates, too, in the Book of Mormon. But without contemporary, third-part objective witness that impresses me less than you might expect.
Ditto the religious records of YOUR religion.
Even Jesus himself said that a single witness is not a reliable source of information. Good grief, man, at least you should listen to HIM.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
At the Nicene Council the Roman Catholic Church decreed concerning “Easter”:
“It was decreed by common consent to be expedient, that this festival should be celebrated on the same day in every place… it seemed to everyone a most unworthy thing that we should follow the custom of the Jews..., who, polluted wretches! Having stained their hands with a nefarious crime, are justly blinded in their minds. Let us then have nothing in common with the most hostile rabble of the Jews.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
"if we apply to the NT, as we should, the same criteria as we should apply to other ancient writings containing historical material, we can no more reject Jesus' existence than we can reject the existence of a mass of pagan personages whose reality as historical figures is never questioned." - Michael Grant, Jesus: An Historian's Review, pp 199-200.
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
My "interest in believing" is completely irrelevant, as every rational and educated person knows very well.
The truth is unaffected by the motivation of the observer.
Only delusional people think that their beliefs affect historical reality.
It is interesting to me that your vaunted Michael grant, while asserting the historicity of Jesus, reveals many contradictions and errors and lies in the original gospel texts. You seem to have forgotten to tell us that part.
FAIL.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 - trying to discredit an argument for someone's existence by saying the source wasn't alive at the time is weak. While some scholars and philosophers may not believe that Jesus was a historical figure (G.A. Wells or Michael Martin), it is a small number. Listing sources or documenting the evidence for Jesus life is not something you really seem interested in believing.
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
"the source wasn't alive "
Anyone can sit down and write fairy tales about events which have no living witness. What could be more fool-proof? No eye witnesses means no refutation, which in the case of religious writings generally means no responsibility and no accountability.
It is policy in today's medical profession to re-confirm the patient's identity every time visual contact is broken. But you want us to believe tales written in subsequent generations?
Good luck with that.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@jrk1973
"documenting the evidence for Jesus life"
Go ahead.
I have been studying these things for half a century and to date I have encountered exactly ZERO documented evidence for Jesus' life.
If you have some evidence, let's see it.
But you'll have to do better than fables written with a distinct agenda generations after Jesus was said to have lived.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "There is ZERO historical, archaeological, scientific, or practical evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived.
If you really wish to claim otherwise, please put your EVIDENCE on the table.
No evidence, no reality."
". . . these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life."
Technically speaking, until the time of video recordings there is NO way to prove anything that happened in the past. So the burden of proof is on both sides.
jrk1973 1 year ago
@jrk1973
"So the burden of proof is on both sides."
Not even close.
When people make claims for past or future events,
claims for which evidence is not readily available, the burden of proof is squarely upon the claimant.
I have met many people claiming to be Jesus, or to be guided and controlled by God, or to be members of the crew of the USS Enterprise. I have no need to prove them wrong; their inability to prove themselves right is sufficient to conclude that they are deluded.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
To the person who wants proof of Christs existence. . . um I don't know if you are aware of this or not but every religious group and every non-religious historical writer from the time of Christs life will tell you he existed. Its not even a debate among atheists who know their history. You don't have to believe Jesus was the Son of God, but to say there is no proof of his existence is to deny documented reality.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
"every religious group and every non-religious historical writer from the time of Christs life will tell you he existed."
That is a lie.
If there were no dissenting voices there would be no debate.
Let's try to stick to reality and the truth, shall we?
There is ZERO historical, archaeological, scientific, or practical evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived.
If you really wish to claim otherwise, please put your EVIDENCE on the table.
No evidence, no reality.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
"every non-religious historical writer from the time of Christs life"
Please list three historical writers rom the time of Christ's life"
who tell us that he existed.
Seriously.
I challenge your assertion and request that you either support it with evidence or withdraw it, acknowledging that you are spewing religious dogma rather than historical fact.
Lying for your religion, in other words.
Failure to respond indicates acknowledgement of your false assertion.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 1. hmmm so I have to give you names of people who prove Jesus lived but you don't have to provide names of dissenters from the time of Christ. I see how it is. Haha that is so stupid. I can give you lots of accounts of Christ’s life. hmmm where to begin. A. the Bible, interestingly enough the bible is more accurate then and has more manuscripts then any other writing of the time, including writings that atheists like you claim are historical fact. hmmm interesting.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
" but you don't have to provide names of dissenters "
Of course not.
The onus is on the person making the claim that something exists or happened.
Do YOU require dissenters from the time of Homer do view Zeus as mythical?
That's just dumb.
Got any evidence?
Got any non-believer witnesses?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 haha you may want to keep reading:) Just a question though alittle off subject, do you have anything else going on in your life?
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I love that. Any non-believer evedince. Hm, so Im suppose to find the 1 guy that saw Jesus die on the cross and rise again and not believe And Then you'll believe. Illogical arguement. BTW, Homer and Zeus is also an illogical argumnt. There is no good parallel between them.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
"so Im suppose to find the 1 guy that saw Jesus die on the cross and rise again and not believe "
Another claim for you to support with evidence.
Was there just one man who fits this description?
Or were there NONE?
Until you can produce evidence to the contrary, there is no reason to think that the death and resurrection (which no one even CLAIMED to have seen, BTW) ever happened.
Reality is that which produces evidence.
As you have demonstrated that you have ZERO evidence...
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
"...including writings that atheists like you claim are historical fact."
Be specific in your accusations, if you want them to be taken seriously.
Generalized negation is neither argument nor evidence.
In religion, yes.
In the real world, no.
"I can give you lots of accounts of Christ’s life"
Please do.
That's what we are waiting for.
Don't be shy.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 1. hmmm so I have to give you names of people who prove Jesus lived but you don't have to provide names of dissenters from the time of Christ. I see how it is. Haha that is so stupid. I can give you lots of accounts of Christ’s life. hmmm where to begin. A. the Bible, interestingly enough the bible is more accurate then and has more manuscripts then any other writing of the time, including writings that atheists like you claim are historical fact. hmmm interesting.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 B. Eyewitness accounts that were never challenged at the time. hmmm interesting.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
"Eyewitness accounts that were never challenged at the time. "
You are twisting and changing my words, and I reject your manipulative tactics.
And putting your additions in quotes make it a LIE and you a liar.
You are acting true to form so far.
Being "challenged" has nothing to do with the issue.
You either DO have extrabiblical witnesses, or you do NOT.
Which is it?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf um Im waiting....
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 C. Historical and period writings from others; Lucian who mocked Christians for following Christ, Pliny a government official, Suetonius another government guy, Tacitus who said "Nero created scapegoats and subjected to the most refined tortures those whom the common people called 'Christians'....Their name comes from Christ, who, during the reign of Tiberius, had been executed by the procurator Pontius Pilate" and Josephus a Jewish historian.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
Well, let's see what you have...
Lucian was not alive in Jesus' day, so that's an invalid and dishonest attempt.
Pliney was not alive in Jesus' day,
Tacticus was not alive in Jesus' day,
AND Josephus was not alive in Jesus' day, so your entire post is a deceitful attempt to slide in false evidence which has ALREADY been invalidated.
You are a liar and a fraud. Your arguments are based on ignorance, deceit, and wishful thinking.
You do honour to your religion and your god.
Fail.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
The really tragic thing is that I exposed nearly this very same list only a week ago.
The determination to lie for Jesus runs deep min you, grasshopper.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 ah this is no. Proof??????
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Ultimately, there is No denying Christs historical record simple because this kind of story could not have transpired in the illogical way that you atheists say it did.....it would be illogical and impossible. The Atheists account of this is just too fictional to be believable.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 So there was no Christ.....and then someone made it up that there was a Christ and no one ever challenged the claim and then all of the sudden there are all these Christians running around...and no one is telling them that their claim that Christ existed and died a year ago back in a.d. 31 isn't true; even though the Jewish leaders want to stop the spread of Christianity they didn't bring up the Imaginefree69 "FACT" that Christ never existed…. that is too silly.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf um im waiting.....
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 One of the best examples of Christ’s being real is an atheist like you, who spends all your time devoted to proving he isn’t real. If Christ isn’t real why is this such a big deal to you? And don’t give me the illogical ‘Christians are destroying the world’ thing, because that isn’t worth responding to it’s so stupid and incompetent.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
I see your attempt to evade the evidence by personalizing the discussion, and I call you on it.
My motives have zero effect on the facts and the evidence.
Nice try, but now please respond to the FACT that you have deliberately posted as contemporary eyewitnesses, men who were not alive at the time of Jesus.
It's a typically unethical, dishonest tactic practised by Creationists and Christians in huge numbers.
Really, the best evidence against Christianity is Christians.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I love how you skirt the good arguments that I bring by accusing me of being dishonest and only responding to my statement about atheists and not responding to my fact based arguments. “aha! you are personalizing this, you Christian weezel!” “Aha! though you have given my historical accounts of Christ from His time period my response is that You have given me figures who didn’t live in 31 a.d. but in 37 a.d…..” hmmm soooo a historical record 30 years after Christ means Im Wrong!
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
" you skirt the good arguments that I bring "
Nice try.
I have exposed and corrected many of your irrational claims.
Please tell me what "good arguments" I have "skirted."
"a historical record 30 years after Christ means Im Wrong!"
Absolutely and unquestionably, as you had made the false claim that you had historical evidence from eye-witnesses to Christ.
That was a lie and I proved it.
So what are you whining about?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Your illogical arguements make my head hurt:(
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
@beefpattieskf
"Your illogical arguements"
Be specific.
Identify and correct them, with evidence.
Failure to do so demonstrates the falseness of your accusations.
"There is no good parallel between them."
I invite you to identify the failures of the parallel.
Zeus is a fictional god written about by Homer.
YHWH is a fictional god written about by Homer.
Same same.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 The Reason you are doing it is because Christ’s existence bothers you and you want to erase it. Also you have No purpose besides attacking Christians, because there is no purpose in an atheists world, apart from God there is nothing but empty actions.
beefpattieskf 1 year ago
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@beefpattieskf
Your claims of evidence give you only two rational options.
You can show us valid evidence, or you stand exposed as a liar and a fraud.
A person fighting with lies for what he insists others embrace as reality.
Those are your only valid options.
Your attempts to personalize the discussion put you firmly in the latter option.
You stand exposed to all rational people, and the others will cover for you.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
I LOVE GLAD, I have always wanted to get a group of guys together than can sing this kind of music. It is just such amazing music and so difficult to sing with all the intricate parts in it. So gorgeous. My favorite group of acapella singers of all time. Best ever.
rcsample7 1 year ago
amazing! fabulous! they look like angels from heaven singing!!!!!!! gives me goose bumpbs! hallelujah!
lanzjoshua 1 year ago
He is risen!
He is risen indeed!
hfamom 1 year ago
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Easter is a Pagan Holiday. You worthless fucking Christians are nothing but thieves. This is the day to celebrate the Spring Solstice while priests can finger bang the grassy assholes of innocent bunny rabbits while reciting Revelations.
JeersMate 1 year ago
@JeersMate God bless you JM! I hope to hear from you when you finally see God's light at work in your life! Be Blessed!!
blaqrhayne 1 year ago
@JeersMate Wow! If I hadn't laughed so hard, I might have been angry! Have you actually studied the differences between Easter in the Bible and the Solstice?
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
Easter in the Bible?
That occurs in only ONE place in the KJV,
and is a deliberate mis-translation of "Passover."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Come again? Care to back that one up with some actual documentation? No? It's an easy thing to say but you'd better have something factual to back that one up, or it's simply beneath you.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
Are you asking me to document the lack of documentation?
That's rather irrational.
And the printing of many books does NOT constitute"substance."
If that reasoning were valid, Neal,
then Shirley McLain has lots of substance to offer.
Really, you seem to just feel the need
to post something negative about me now and then,
whether it makes any sense or not.
I'll pass on that game.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 If you simply said something that you don't feel like having to back up, or possibly realize that you might have made a mistake but don't want to have to admit it, then just say so. Otherwise it's just a clever (sort-of) dodge, another way of saying, "I am saying this and you will accept it because I say so." Which is ironic since you accuse me of accepting the Bible on exactly those grounds.
As for the other part, I do admire the way you say something negative about me (cont)
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"...another way of saying, "...." "
I see that you are still determined to replace my words with your own, Neal.
I decline to play your little game.
And I repeat that it is irrational to demand that someone document a lack of documentation. That's just silly.
If you think the existing documentation supports your beliefs, I invite you to show us your references.
Mere abuse and word games prove nothing.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "document a lack of documentation." That is a word game all unto itself.
All right, perhaps that wasn't the intention, but it's still the end result. You make a statement, you get called on it, you resort to semantics to keep from having to back it up. Easter did happen in "one place" no matter which version of the Bible you read, and it is extremely important. It's the part about it being a "a deliberate mis-translation of "Passover." that needs clarification.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"document a lack of documentation."
That is what you demanded of me, Neal.
if it's a word game I suggest you stop playing it.
When you find documentary evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived,
please let me know.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Josephus. Tacitus. Pliny the Younger. The Gospels.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"Josephus. Tacitus. Pliny the Younger. "
So you know the names of some historical writers.
Very impressive, f course, but meaningless in the context of this discussion because, Neal, these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life.
"The Gospels" is another meaningless term.
Only three of the gospel writers AT MOST were alive in "Jesus' day", and all four of them contradict one another, negating all claims of unity and "inspired scripture."
And you know it perfectly well.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "these men WERE NOT ALIVE at the time of Jesus' alleged life"
No, they weren't. Nobody has said they were. Nor has any modern scholar said that any of them thought Jesus was a great guy, even Josephus. But they ALL attest to the continued influence of this "alleged" man, which tends to lead more to the "actual" than the "alleged."
And no, the Gospels do not contradict each other.
Which I'm beginning to thing you know perfectly well.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"they ALL attest to the continued influence of this "alleged" man,"
Sure. And Homer reports that Achilles was the hero of the battle of Troy, which Zeus and Hera helped him to win. The literature supporting the long-lasting influence of the god Zeus is very extensive.
So what?
With no objective eyewitness accounts, you have nothing but hearsay, with the most contemporary being a full generation after the alleged death of the alleged Jesus.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "with the most contemporary being a full generation after the alleged death of the alleged Jesus." I'll admit that I have only read a few theologians and historians on this, but frankly nobody to the right of John Dominic Crossan (and that covers a lot of ground as John was very, very left) says it was that late. Most that I've read agree that it was well within a generation of His resurrection. And again, if the eyewitness accounts were so inacurate, where are the refutations?
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
The politics of the critics have no relevance to the evidence.
Can you say "red herring"?
AS for your "refutations", which I have already covered on another page, that's another red herring. We know that there were many messianic zealots running around in those days. Your Bible even says that some assumed Jesus to be another of them. So tell me, Neal, where are the refutations to THEIR claims?
Answer- why would any literate man bother writing refutations, and who would preserve them?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Umm, so what you're asking is "why would anyone bother to document the lack of documentation?"
Possibly so that they wouldn't be charged with academic laziness? Otherwise you simply have a different source for "red herrings."
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
""red herrings.""
Your "refutations" are the red herring, son.
You say that none exist, and somehow you try to twist this LACK of evidence into positive evidence for your fairy tale.
You'd better go play these games with your co-religionists. It has been my experience that they are about the only people who relish such deceit.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
"where are the refutations?"
You love to try to claim a lack of evidence as evidence, don't you?
This is classic delusional thinking.
What need is there of refutations, when there are no historically valid claims to refute?
Red herring, dust in out eyes, and evasion of the facts.
Find another playmate for these games.
I'm only interested in truth, which means that I am only concerned with evidence.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
"the Gospels do not contradict each other"
Really?
Please explain how Joseph had two genetic fathers, Jacob (Matthew 1:16) and Heli (Luke 3:23).
Tell me who visited the tomb on "Easter" (to quote the lie of the KJV), and what they saw there.
Did Jesus drink from the sponge as he hung on the cross?
How did 6 pm Friday to 6 am Sunday (36 hours at MOST) become "three days and three nights"?
What were the last words of Jesus on the cross?
How did Judas die?
Who purchased the Potter's Field?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I would like to assume that you are actually familiar with the answers to these, but here goes.
Whether both were supposed to be Joseph's genetic father or not is more than a little in debate. It's very likely that one or the other was not supposed to be biological but perhaps an uncle or guardian who, under Jewish law and custom, Joseph would still be the legal heir. Matthew's geneology was selective, this is not disputed, whereas Luke's was more detailed in keeping with (cont)
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"Whether both were supposed to be Joseph's genetic father or not "
If you don't think the text means what it says, why bother reading it at all?
Matthew 1:16 Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary
Luke 3:23 Joseph, which was the son of Heli
Do you need me to tell you what "begat" means?
This is just a childish game of denial and avoidance.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 "Do you need me to tell you what "begat" means?"
No, thanks, I just had lunch. But seriously, if you could point out where the word "begat" appeared in Luke 3:23, that would be greatly appreciated.
05neal 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 background as a doctor and his claim to have researched the subject..
Ignoring your repeated use of the KJV as if you were scoring a point against me that way (if you can't get past that, I'm sorry,) the answer is, they all did. They all saw Him at different times and visited at different times.
Did Jesus drink from the sponge? Not the first time. He did the second time.
Some combination of "It is finished," and "Into your hands I commit my spirit."
Ever known (cont)
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
I don't know what red herring you are trying to start with your "KJV" comment.
Some attack folks for cherry-picking through versions, you attack me for using the same version consistently.
As Jesus said,"John came neither eating nor drinking, and they say, He hath a devil.
The Son of man came eating and drinking, and they say, Behold a man gluttonous, and a winebibber"
In other words, those who wish to attack me will attack me, no matter what I do.
Jesus likened those people to CHILDREN.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 This will be my last word on the "cherry-picking" argument because it has gotten way out of hand.
It stems from two words, "unicorn" and "Easter." They don't appear in any other version, but you trumpeted them as if they proved the Bible was wrong. They didn't. I'm sorry it has gone this far. I wish I had understood a little better then what I do now. I'm sorry.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"I wish I had understood a little better then what I do now"
So do I' I explained it over and over.
Perhaps in a year or two you will read my words without such an overmastering need to prove me wrong. Then you'll understand even better.
Meanwhile, I can't afford the time or energy to play games with a malicious word-twister.
You go ahead and show that Mary Magdalene made a minimum of three trips to the cemetery Easter morning, and saw someone different there each time.
I'll watch that.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 God is taking me in a different direction. I will be deleting my account by the end of the day. I hope you do well, in all the ways I've hoped and prayed for.
I've enjoyed the conversation and I've enjoyed knowing you. I hope we will see each other in Heaven.
God bless.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"They all saw Him at different times and visited at different times."
That's not what the text says.
Your little one-line opinions (or shall I say "dogmas" are not sufficient, neal. Show me these "different times" in the scripture (you can't, unless poor Mary was trotting back and forth to the graveyard over and over while it was still early morning).
"Did Jesus drink from the sponge? Not the first time. He did the second time."
Same thing- show your work.
FAIL.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I did. If you want to do comparisons of the text and show how they all refer to the same event but contradict each other, fine. Then I will do the same, showing how they don't. But you make accusations and then leave it to me to do all the legwork.
I don't know, maybe not such a bad idea. Good material for a video series, eh?
05neal 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 any Jewish people? I used to live in New York City and I did know many, and they explained to me that the day starts at first light and ends when it's so dark you can't tell a white thread from a black thread. Besides that, the "bronze-age shepherds" didn't recon or recount days the same way we do, as progressive 24-hour increments. Three days didn't have to be three literal 24-hour periods. From Friday evening to Sunday morning was still recognized as three days.
Judas (cont)
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"From Friday evening to Sunday morning was still recognized as three days."
THis is a tired old lie from the earliest rational folks to point out the contradiction. And it carefully (very carefully) avoids quoting the words in my question:
according to your Bible, Friday evening to daybreak Sunday was not just "three days", but "three days and three nights."
Care to show me the three nights between Friday evening and Sunday morning, neal?
Regurgitating these old clichés is pathetic.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Judas hanged himself, and eventually his corpse fell from the tree and split open on the ground.
The Sanhedrin purchased the Potter's Field. They used the money that Judas threw back into the Temple. Since it was blood money, it was still reckoned as Judas', so by some reckonings it could be said that Judas bought the field. The field is still there, called the Field of Blood and nobody ever goes there. It's a burial field.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
Yopub parrot the old clichés, but that's not good enough.
I provide my facts from the Bible
Can't you do as well?
Don't let that evil atheist show you up!
Use scripture rather than defensive knee-jerks.
I can refute your silly "rotten corpse", but only after you show your reasons for parroting such a silly denial of the facts.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@05neal
When you find documentary evidence that Jesus Christ ever lived,
please let me know.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
"Easter did happen in "one place"
When you make these irrational statements, how is a rational man supposed to respond?
1- The Greek word PASCHA, taken from the Hebrew word PESACH, means "Passover" and nothing BUT Passover.
2- EASTER was a pagan holiday celebrating the goddess Ēastre, from which we get the word ESTRUS, referring to fertility. The decision to blatantly replace PASSOVER with EASTER was simply an application of the folk wisdom, "if you can't beat them, join them."
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal EASTER, continued
It is absurd and irrational to say that a pagan holiday "happened in one place", as the day occurs globally and has been celebrated as the day of Ashtoreth in ancient Israel, Aphrodite in ancient Cyprus, Astarte in ancient Greece, Hathor in ancient Egypt, Ishtar in Assyria and Babylon, and Ostara in Norway.
Only in the KJV is PASACH perverted deliberately to EASTER so as to be palatable to pagans at the expense of the truth.
Only in the KJV.
Not in the scriptures.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Thank you for the information, you've taught me things I honestly did not know. However, we run again up against the wall of the KJV. I understand your reasons for using it exclusively, but that means that as often as you're right, you're wrong just as often by citing one source and one source only, and not one that is universally utilized either. If you're trying to argue with the "fundamentalists" that's one thing, but when you're talking to people like me, that's another.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"Thank you for the information, you've taught me things I honestly did not know."
I'm speechless.
You're very welcome.
"when you're talking to people like me"
I have promptly and gladly gone into the original languages for you, neal, but you rejected that, too. I can't make you happy if you reject everything I do.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I'm sorry, I apparently didn't understand you were doing that. I apologize, it's probably my own lack of understanding.
I hope you received my messages.
Peace.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
"I apparently didn't understand you were doing that."
Excuse me;
doing WHAT, exactly?
Quoting directly from the Bible?
Or what?
BTW, you'll notice that Judas fell "headlong" when he burst open. In both English and Greek (more so in Greek) this word implies "in a rush; with reckless haste."
It's very different from the plop of a rotted corpse.
Nor is there the slightest hint in Acts 1 of any intervening period of hanging and rotting.
Seriously, that's a rotten straw to grasp.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
"I hope you received my messages."
If they were PMs, I didn't see them.
I never read PMs.
Well, okay, not NEVER.
Maybe ten in a year.
I have no interest in private discussion, as I have mentioned many times.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
Thank you, Neal, for the kind and calm words.
If you prefer not to reply, I'll let it go, but I'm wondering how you made out with the gospel contradictions I offered? Your response SEEMS to me to suggest that you believe at least some of them to exist only in the KJV.
But that's only IF you were referring to them, which I am not sure of.
?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 by claiming to not want to engage in negativity. But I'm not THAT dumb.
You made a statement. Show me the proof.
05neal 1 year ago
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@05neal
Okay, neal, let's address this relentless accusation you keep throwing at me.
I stated the fact that "Easter" occurs in only ONE place in the KJV,
and is a deliberate mis-translation of "Passover."
You demanded documentation.
I can document that one mistranslation easily enough (Acts 12:4), but to document that it occurs only once, what am I supposed to do-
copy and paste the entire Bible?
That is stupid and unreasonable.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@05neal
Persistent accusation, part 2
I also doubt that the KJV revisionists documented the fact and the reason for their deliberate alteration of the text, but evidence exists in plenty to show that they knew very well that PASACH is the Greek word for Passover. So the deliberate-ness of their lie is evident.
I hope that this satisfies your need to continually accuse me of failure to document a perfectly obvious fact.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Yes, it does, and I thank you very much for doing it. By doing so you've taught me something valuable that I did not know before, and for that I thank you. This does not bypass the problem, clumsily stated by me on other occasions but true nonetheless, that your use of only one translation can be (at best) problematic in terms of actually trying to get at the truth. When you stick to the Hebrew and the Greek,, even though we disagree, I find your arguments much better.
05neal 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 Also, because it wasn't perfectly obvious to someone not well-versed in the KJV (which would include me) I did need you to "document the lack of documentation." I cannot stress how grateful I am that you did so and the opportunity if affforded me. I was not trying to "accuse" you of deliberate falsehood, although as in the past, I let the moment run away with me. I'm sorry about that. But information is better than no information, n'est ce pas?
05neal 1 year ago
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Imaginefree69 1 year ago
Happy Easter!!!
anitaliu1 1 year ago
Happy Easter, everybody
Kelticate 1 year ago
This song is so nice and beautiful. Now won't you come and check out my channel
LostGoldMusic 1 year ago
Some say we can't support our beliefs with real concrete evidence, thereby only having faith in what we believe. I would rather have faith now . If I'm wrong no big loss, but if i refused to have faith and then I was wrong the consequences would be eternal.
spathfinder34089 1 year ago
Always loved Annie's song, and the group GLAD as well. Never knew Bob Kauflin (lead singer) had such an ego though! Wow - he get's the "I am GOD" light and focus, the rest of the group look like they've cast into outer darkness :)
SteveO1029 1 year ago 3
That's not Bob Kauflin. He arranged the song, but I think he was out of the group by this time. He left in the early to mid '80s. This is late 80s if not early 90s.
sggossett 1 year ago
By George, you're right!
I was mixing up my members! That is Ed Nalle, their lead singer for many years.
My comment still stands, though :)
SteveO1029 1 year ago
@SteveO1029 I don't know that it worked for Ed though. It makes him look like he has bad teeth. That's bothered me every time I watch this. Lol, love the music though. My mom and I would listen to Glad and 2nd Chapter of Acts when I was little. And Rich Mullins. People might make fun of a 22 year old that likes this stuff, but whatever. It glorifies God and that is all that is important to me.
crosscountrytc 10 months ago
Truly wonderful song! It has blessed me for decades, to keep the faith, and to look to Jesus.....thanks and Amen
idahobeef 1 year ago
Beautiful song :)
ennovioicor 1 year ago 2
I love this stuff! Amen!
PreacherinExile 1 year ago 3
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There's more so it's right? There were a lot more Egyptians and believers in Egyptian gods than there were Jews. Were they right?
Why is believing in something with NO EVIDENCE considered a virtue? I believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster; should you respect me for that?
"Asking for evidence" of something as important as God, heaven, and hell is an absurdity? The fact that I can PROVE that HORSE SHIT exists and can't prove that God does shows what an absurdity God is!!!
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
@GuerrillaAtheism "Why is believing in something with NO EVIDENCE considered a virtue?"
It's not.
That's why we don't.
05neal 1 year ago
@05neal
But it is, and you do.
There is NO evidence for the validity of the Bible,
for the historicity of Jesus,
nor for the validity of the Christian religion.
That's why faith is the only substance of your wishes,
the only evidence of your Invisible Buddy.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 There are many very scholarly books about the validity of the Bible, much better than anything Dawkins wrote. So no, faith is not the only substance.
05neal 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 I had to go down and read whatever started the arguement on the top of the comments, but this is just ridiculous.
"There is NO evidence... for the historicity of Jesus"?
E for effort on rejecting the truth when you know better. I suppose you have heard of hundreds of people willingly subjecting themselves to brutal deaths for not rejecting a religion that they knew, absolutely, in their hearts, was false? Don't reject truth out of spite. Doesn't make it go away.
isleschild 1 year ago
@isleschild
"There is NO evidence... for the historicity of Jesus"
Well, that is a true and accurate assertion.
If you wish to rebut it, you will have to do much better than pointing to martyrs.
People die for all sorts of causes, all the time.
People die for Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Communism, Democracy, Capitalism, and lots of other causes. Hell, many indigenous people have died trying to prevent christianity from destroying their religion, culture, and community!
Keep trying.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
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@Imaginefree69 my point was that, while you are right in saying:
"...People die for Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, Communism, Democracy, Capitalism, and lots of other causes..."
the early christians were in a unique position to know of the truth or untruth of Christ's claims. people don't willingly go to die for a cause that they know is false. would you "die for _____ cause" if you knew that it was actually a bullshit ploy to enrich Joe Cool?
isleschild 1 year ago
GA, he's still risen from the dead no matter how much you fight it.
Moffatwv 2 years ago 4
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GA-"type of evidence?"
H1-"Experiential, HUMAN experience"
Human experience is comprised of the senses. Human experience is physical evidence. I'll ask again, is there another kind of experience?
"How about actually address the quote instead of attacking the person who made it?"
I did address it dipshit. I asked you to demonstrate evidence of "another world" or another reality (as Lewis was asserting). When I directly replied to Lewis' assertion of another world, you got retarded. ; )
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
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"How can you see a soul NOT departing from the body?" I don't see it. Can you please describe what you see?
"Your problem is you will not accept any evidence unless it is physical."
Is there another type of evidence? Please demonstrate.
"We are dealing with metaphysical realities."
What is that exactly? Can you show me?
"C.S. Lewis"... Name dropping Lewis don't impress me. He was an idiot.
"evidence that you were made for another."
Please demonstrate evidence that there is another world.
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
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Believing made up stories is sad.
When someone dies, they clearly have ceased to exist. This is a reasonable observation. To propose that a part of their consciousness and memories goes on has ZERO EVIDENCE.
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
Reasonable observation? How do you observe the afterlife? The orthodox Christian position is that the soul departs immediately into the presence of Christ or to Hell. Then one day, our bodies will be resurrected from the grave and will be reunited with our souls.
haltdenmund1 2 years ago
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Yes, seeing a dead person dead is reasonable. They have ceased to be. That's what dead is. The notion of an afterlife is unfounded. On what evidence can you assert there is an afterlife? once you have sufficiently proved an afterlife, with REAL evidence; how can you demonstrate you second assertion that there is a Christ or a Hell. Last, do you have any evidence of your last assertion; bodies lose souls then get them back?
GuerrillaAtheism 2 years ago
This, A Mighty Fortress, and Be Ye Glad are my favorite songs ever! I only wish GLAD had done "in Christ alone"
richdog89 2 years ago
I love this song! ;D These guys are amazing. I just floors me how well they work together as a group.
smileza12 2 years ago 3
The Easter Bunny is a myth, but Jesus's rising from the dead is real! It's true! It's happening today! Happy Easter, everybody!
pookerville 2 years ago 22
Happy Easter!!!!
EdwardInTwilight 2 years ago 2
I love this song!!!!!
Thevikingzodte 2 years ago 3
la la la love the easter song
CheekTV 2 years ago 3
that is awesome
AprilONeil1984 2 years ago 2
I am and always will be a Take 6 fan but the one thing I know.. Is that Glad was doing this stuff before Take 6 came out in 1987-88.Its not about competition or anything I just know that Glads Harmonies and messages are definitely blessed and Id love to hear Glad and Take 6 collaborate on a CD someday!
My Favorite Glad Song is"Depending on Your Love" - This song is definitely on a T6 Level :)
Mahlercougar 2 years ago 4
Much as I love the other contemporary pieces. there will just never be music like this. Can't you just picture the open grave in the background?
CherryBWhite1 2 years ago
We're thinking to do this song on easter, but in choir version.
A4jesus 2 years ago
Awesome arragement! Very moving!
kjv66 2 years ago
Awesome!! Very MOVING...Would love to do this on Easther 2009.
FlintCantor 3 years ago