Gracias por esta gloria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cuando salí de pais dejé mis dicos y muchos amores. Gracias a Uds los estoy recuperando
@GabrielDhalaman Say that pianist that she can shove her diploma in the ass. If Telemann is garbage, she must prefere Stravinsky, that blind idiot. Bad taste.
Compared with Bach, less known composers such as Telemann seems to be to me quite underrated, but Bach was a genius and he transformed music aesthetically and scientifically (to my knowledge). I don't think that he is overrated so much as you are saying here
@Harmonieuniverselle A fact of music history that to us, modern listeners, it seems quite odd, that Bach wasn't so popular/respected as a composer back then that is now.
its the standard flute in the key of c as played in orchestras. This flute sounds like a wooden one...call me an anorak but I have been playing the flute for years!
As usual, interesting conversations about the #1 or # 3 composer... two things should make the arguing a waste of time: considering the public for which these composers were writing, and their motivations (aesthetic inclinations, if you wish). NO ONE at the time had the obligation to be profound or a genius - no matter how their music was valued by themselves or others. Their music was very much a product of their craft, a commodity of the time, like with many other trades.
@bersa888 Telemann is the #1 composer for recorder players, because he wrote vastly more good to excellent music for the instrument than anyone else. And the idea that a lot of it must be dull because he wrote so much is silly - just shows ignorance of the literature. All baroque composers wrote tons of music because music at the time was, as you said, a sort of throw-away commodity - if you needed something new you composed it.
@violatione Im Sorry, But The Only Thing better than Bach is the God as he created him, Only For that reason. This is Of course if the people reading this comment believe in God.
@IDidntComeUpWithName Bach is overrated. I will concede that the violin sonatas and partitas are the pinnacle of baroque music. But you should remember that Telemann was in much higher regard during their lifetimes.
@violatione Well, Bach was spending so much time over the Organ writing Masses for every Week, and was really discovered much later, but as for the regard, Its all the same to me, Bachs Organ/Violin/Cembalo pieces are just Too perfect to be Compared with any1, Hes Conterpoint skills combained with melody were just Crazy... Of course its my opinion.
@IDidntComeUpWithName Other composers of the day had counterpoint skills on a similar level. I have found pieces by Telemann, Handel and Vivaldi that are indistinguishable from Bach's writing. The one thing at which Bach was not so great was writing melodies. In my opinion, Bach is judged by his greatest works only. But he also wrote a myriad of so so pieces. I would put him 4th after Handel, Telemann and D. Scarlatti in my pantheon of baroque composers.
@violatione I Respect your point of View. U are right about others Skills, Teleman,Scarlatti,Vivaldi,Handel had them aswell. J.S.B was an Organist, Which influenced a lot of hes Compositions.I think thats why The Best thing i like in all hes works are that Almost every noteline is making own Melody but beign part of the Whole Music at the Same time, So thats what i ment by my opinion. Handel Wrote very Clean Musical Parts and They were better remembered as a Single pieces+he Composed in Engl
@violatione I really enjoy Telemann, Handel and Vivaldi as composers, but can't bring myself to put them in the same league as Bach. Even Bach's cantatas were head and shoulders above anything Telemann was capable of for me. Which Telemann pieces would you say were indistinguishable from Bach or vice versa? I'd be interested to hear them.
- They're in the same league but he's the best, mainly because he wrote the most elaborate and well-designed counterpoint which is the essence of baroque music. There are areas (small ones) where you can argue that Handel was better (ability to create dramatic moments for instance, and I'd argue that some of the solo arias and duets are as good as Bach's or better.) Telemann is Bach and Handel's equal in melodic inventiveness, but well behind them in counterpoint. IMHO
@IDidntComeUpWithName I don't think Bach is overrated so much as that other baroque composers are underrated because of his historical dominance - he was the first to be rediscovered in a big way, although Handel never quite disappeared from view. The reality is that Bach IS "better" than other baroque composers, he's just not THAT MUCH "better" All the major baroque composers are capable of wonderful melodies, great counterpoint & dramatic style, but they're less consistent at it than he.
@firebreathone3 Ok first of all I should like to question how much Telemann are you actually familiar with. Telemann was the most prolific composer of all time. Most people are only familiar with a handful of his works. I'm guessing that there is a myriad of his compositions of which you've never heard. Also bear in mind that Telemann was WAY more revered when he and Bach were both alive. Are we somehow smarter and more enlightened than the people back then? I sue to differ.
@firebreathone3 See, I understand where your coming from on this one, I dont really mean to butt in, but I got to. Bach was a great man, but why do you have to put down everybody else. Bach was great in form and structure along with combining it with emotion. But, on the other had you have Teleman who was great at making original tunes, he caitered to the uneducated ear while bach went more scholarly. I think we can be open minded and accept them both as great composers.
@jeanbaptistelully1 I am willing to recognise that Handel was a great composer and clearly Bach wasn't the only great composer. I really like Byrd, Gibbons, Allegri, Haydn,Purcell and a myriad of other composers. However, Telemann has composed a lot and not all of his works strike one as particularly beguiling.In contraire, Bach has composed a lot, and even his works are not always up to the same standard.in my view, most of Telemann's works lack vividness and freshness.
@sailorwaterprincess oh man , at out school we have a small orchestra but theres like 1600 students at my school :S, u not even get national orchestras, like district?
Yeh,my native language is nonEnglish .Sometime I use Online PROMT and sometime I wright from my head .I am musician-amator/guitar/ and my mother was pupil 10 years in the music school , therefore I very surprised from TElleman's music to the deep of my soul though I listened this miracle music 12 yers ago at the tape .I have the Q: Why this composer is unfamous ?
It's a regular concert flute. In the baroque period, "flute" = "recorder". Only after the recorder disappeared did the transverse flute become referred to as just a "flute".
@iLikeBaroqueMusic : It is a flute blown sideways instead of straight on. Like blowing into the side of a pipe and not down into the end. A flute, which is sideblown (transverse flute, C conert flute, alto flute, bass flute, contrabass flute) is called a flute. A recorder, which is endblown, is called a recorder, and sometimes a "flute".
ornamenta demasiado, habria q hacerlo la 1ra vez normal y la 2da vez ornamentado pero es q demasiado lo ornamento en un periodo tan corto XD eso si m gusta mucho los ritardandos q hace:D
I could care less what the romantic and modern composers say about Vivaldi or Telemann. They don't understand beauty in music, so they write a bunch of dull or harsh crap.
@Ken5244 If I recall correctly It was the publication of Burney's music history a while after Telemann's death.
He said something to the effect of "nobody who wrote that much music could be any good". Of course at the time it wasn't exactly common to perform "old" music, so Telemann suffered a reputational deficit ever since partly on the basis of that volume, even though he was likely more influential on the Classicists than Bach was stylistically.
@Ken5244 It might not have been Burney in particular but just a new aesthetic which started to take hold at that time. Christine Klein discusses it in her "Dokumente zur Telemann-Rezeption 1767 bis 1907" (1998).
@Kiddfan777 It seems very-closed minded to reject other styles of classical music like that, maybe if you understood romanticism better, and learned to enjoy the subtle nuances in it, as I think you have with Baroque, then you would understand why other people regard it with such wonder.
Telemann is a really good composer, but he's so incredibly prolific that sometimes his music sounds a little too rushed and too repetitive, in my opinion...but that's not the case with this piece! :)
Stravinsky said the same thing about vivaldi, that he wrote the same concerto many times, because of his great number of concertos, but it's absolutely not the case, like for Telemann :)
Thank you for sharing this Telemann piece. It's true he was wonderful composer, there's some great surprises to be found for those who dig deep enough into his vast repertoire - his oboe sonatas being one, and, of course, this fine concerto!
Great!
MatthaeusLatinus 1 week ago
The sweetest ear candy!
sicilline 3 weeks ago
I've Been a Bach and Vivaldi fan for a long time. I'm only just beginning to listen to Telemann. he is awesome!!
Jayagomazimum 3 months ago
Does anyone know who is the author of the painting?
legatseronoian 3 months ago
love it !
littlegiant1972 3 months ago
Listen after 5:16 . What passion. Telemann have some great passages, greater than some Bach pieces.
Santor6 4 months ago 3
Gracias por esta gloria!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Cuando salí de pais dejé mis dicos y muchos amores. Gracias a Uds los estoy recuperando
glucavechi1 4 months ago
Excellent!!!
jairoadven3184 4 months ago
wow beautiful
moonyyummy 5 months ago
modern orchestral shit sucks. Baroque is where my heart is at and always will be.
pilotoatomico 5 months ago 12
@pilotoatomico Do you know why you love baroque music? It is inspired by God, created according to the laws of the soul He designed for...
dnlvlmt 2 months ago
Very nice ,thanks for this - classic music is best of all
Araman84 8 months ago
where i can download those cocencertos?
ikissdoors 8 months ago
i have a pianist friend who is a modernist bitch and he said to me telemann is garbage...welll,for me a guy like that can stuck his studies at his ass
all this little "classroom pupils" think they can do more than this because they study this,stupid era,hoping for 2012,2013
GabrielDhalaman 9 months ago
@GabrielDhalaman Say that pianist that she can shove her diploma in the ass. If Telemann is garbage, she must prefere Stravinsky, that blind idiot. Bad taste.
Santor6 4 months ago
5:15 !!! comes the Presto.. god, that its VERY VERY presto XD
azulyrojo89 9 months ago
I played the Violin verson of this .:0
pixty1 10 months ago
this music is like a grapefruit
7teenf 11 months ago 7
@7teenf lol why?
lennic95 2 months ago
Hoppla - I always thought of this as a lesser GPT work, but played like that, I'm not so sure at all.
Kardewski 11 months ago
Compared with Bach, less known composers such as Telemann seems to be to me quite underrated, but Bach was a genius and he transformed music aesthetically and scientifically (to my knowledge). I don't think that he is overrated so much as you are saying here
HitlodeuPT 1 year ago
@HitlodeuPT In his time, Telemann was much more known (famous) than Bach.
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@Harmonieuniverselle A fact of music history that to us, modern listeners, it seems quite odd, that Bach wasn't so popular/respected as a composer back then that is now.
HitlodeuPT 1 year ago
@Harmonieuniverselle Back then he was, like you said, but I was talking from a modern perspective.
HitlodeuPT 1 year ago
@HitlodeuPT I know, that was just a remark.
Harmonieuniverselle 1 year ago
GP Telemann, the underrated baroque composer.
bebegique 1 year ago
genial! arte la union de la expresion de los sentimientos y la inteligencia....
marx1008 1 year ago
I listen to all sorts of music ranging from speed metal to rap but classical is my favorite type of music
altiair1 1 year ago
unheart= unheard
firebreathone3 1 year ago
its the standard flute in the key of c as played in orchestras. This flute sounds like a wooden one...call me an anorak but I have been playing the flute for years!
gutlover33uk 1 year ago
As usual, interesting conversations about the #1 or # 3 composer... two things should make the arguing a waste of time: considering the public for which these composers were writing, and their motivations (aesthetic inclinations, if you wish). NO ONE at the time had the obligation to be profound or a genius - no matter how their music was valued by themselves or others. Their music was very much a product of their craft, a commodity of the time, like with many other trades.
bersa888 1 year ago
@bersa888 Telemann is the #1 composer for recorder players, because he wrote vastly more good to excellent music for the instrument than anyone else. And the idea that a lot of it must be dull because he wrote so much is silly - just shows ignorance of the literature. All baroque composers wrote tons of music because music at the time was, as you said, a sort of throw-away commodity - if you needed something new you composed it.
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bersa888 1 year ago
@RecorderPlayer2 : Yup. I agree. I love Telemann as much as I love Bach or Scarlatti.
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Charming,extraordinaire, melodic,waves of stupendity!
TheDresden777 1 year ago
Charming,extraordinaire, melodic,waves of stupendity!
TheDresden777 1 year ago
Maestro
eldiagrama 1 year ago
Better than Bach
violatione 1 year ago
@violatione Im Sorry, But The Only Thing better than Bach is the God as he created him, Only For that reason. This is Of course if the people reading this comment believe in God.
IDidntComeUpWithName 1 year ago
@IDidntComeUpWithName Bach is overrated. I will concede that the violin sonatas and partitas are the pinnacle of baroque music. But you should remember that Telemann was in much higher regard during their lifetimes.
violatione 1 year ago
@violatione Well, Bach was spending so much time over the Organ writing Masses for every Week, and was really discovered much later, but as for the regard, Its all the same to me, Bachs Organ/Violin/Cembalo pieces are just Too perfect to be Compared with any1, Hes Conterpoint skills combained with melody were just Crazy... Of course its my opinion.
IDidntComeUpWithName 1 year ago
@IDidntComeUpWithName Other composers of the day had counterpoint skills on a similar level. I have found pieces by Telemann, Handel and Vivaldi that are indistinguishable from Bach's writing. The one thing at which Bach was not so great was writing melodies. In my opinion, Bach is judged by his greatest works only. But he also wrote a myriad of so so pieces. I would put him 4th after Handel, Telemann and D. Scarlatti in my pantheon of baroque composers.
violatione 1 year ago
@violatione I Respect your point of View. U are right about others Skills, Teleman,Scarlatti,Vivaldi,Handel had them aswell. J.S.B was an Organist, Which influenced a lot of hes Compositions.I think thats why The Best thing i like in all hes works are that Almost every noteline is making own Melody but beign part of the Whole Music at the Same time, So thats what i ment by my opinion. Handel Wrote very Clean Musical Parts and They were better remembered as a Single pieces+he Composed in Engl
IDidntComeUpWithName 1 year ago
@violatione I really enjoy Telemann, Handel and Vivaldi as composers, but can't bring myself to put them in the same league as Bach. Even Bach's cantatas were head and shoulders above anything Telemann was capable of for me. Which Telemann pieces would you say were indistinguishable from Bach or vice versa? I'd be interested to hear them.
NotHomelessAnymore 1 year ago
@NotHomelessAnymore Try the Telemann flute fantasie Played by Nina Perlove. I'll give more examples when I can remember exact numbers of the works.
violatione 1 year ago
@NotHomelessAnymore
- They're in the same league but he's the best, mainly because he wrote the most elaborate and well-designed counterpoint which is the essence of baroque music. There are areas (small ones) where you can argue that Handel was better (ability to create dramatic moments for instance, and I'd argue that some of the solo arias and duets are as good as Bach's or better.) Telemann is Bach and Handel's equal in melodic inventiveness, but well behind them in counterpoint. IMHO
RecorderPlayer2 1 year ago
@RecorderPlayer2 (this should be a reply to violatione)
RecorderPlayer2 1 year ago
@IDidntComeUpWithName I don't think Bach is overrated so much as that other baroque composers are underrated because of his historical dominance - he was the first to be rediscovered in a big way, although Handel never quite disappeared from view. The reality is that Bach IS "better" than other baroque composers, he's just not THAT MUCH "better" All the major baroque composers are capable of wonderful melodies, great counterpoint & dramatic style, but they're less consistent at it than he.
RecorderPlayer2 1 year ago
@violatione different style.
Harmonieuniverselle 1 year ago
@violatione
Telemann is a decent composer but comparing him to Bach and claiming that he's somehow better is clearly an error.
Bach managed to combine both ratio and emotio in his works in a manner hitherto unheart of. Nobody can be compared to Bach!
firebreathone3 1 year ago
@firebreathone3 Ok first of all I should like to question how much Telemann are you actually familiar with. Telemann was the most prolific composer of all time. Most people are only familiar with a handful of his works. I'm guessing that there is a myriad of his compositions of which you've never heard. Also bear in mind that Telemann was WAY more revered when he and Bach were both alive. Are we somehow smarter and more enlightened than the people back then? I sue to differ.
violatione 1 year ago
@firebreathone3 See, I understand where your coming from on this one, I dont really mean to butt in, but I got to. Bach was a great man, but why do you have to put down everybody else. Bach was great in form and structure along with combining it with emotion. But, on the other had you have Teleman who was great at making original tunes, he caitered to the uneducated ear while bach went more scholarly. I think we can be open minded and accept them both as great composers.
jeanbaptistelully1 1 year ago
@jeanbaptistelully1 I am willing to recognise that Handel was a great composer and clearly Bach wasn't the only great composer. I really like Byrd, Gibbons, Allegri, Haydn,Purcell and a myriad of other composers. However, Telemann has composed a lot and not all of his works strike one as particularly beguiling.In contraire, Bach has composed a lot, and even his works are not always up to the same standard.in my view, most of Telemann's works lack vividness and freshness.
firebreathone3 1 year ago
I would absolutely love to play this on my flute. Unfortunatly my school doesnt have an orchestra, so no violin to acompany DX
sailorwaterprincess 1 year ago
@sailorwaterprincess oh man , at out school we have a small orchestra but theres like 1600 students at my school :S, u not even get national orchestras, like district?
emma78756 1 year ago
Bello! pareciera sencillo, pero imagino la gran calidad técnica para ejecutar esto...
Ah....
pedrobarroco 1 year ago
HEIL TELEMANN!
TrouseredApes 1 year ago
........This is TOO amazing!
animeviolalord 1 year ago
that's song is angelical mon Dieu!
hey waht's the name of that artwokr?? the paint..?
pruniier 1 year ago
i LOVE the 2nd movement
remedios89 2 years ago
The interpretation of "les boreades" is sometimes original, but this one is quite pretty!
Harmonieuniverselle 2 years ago
Is this from Telemann's galante period? I can't find a catalogue of his works with the dates listed.
NotHomelessAnymore 2 years ago
Yeh,my native language is nonEnglish .Sometime I use Online PROMT and sometime I wright from my head .I am musician-amator/guitar/ and my mother was pupil 10 years in the music school , therefore I very surprised from TElleman's music to the deep of my soul though I listened this miracle music 12 yers ago at the tape .I have the Q: Why this composer is unfamous ?
a32Unity 2 years ago 2
Do you also find that you have dramatic
periods?
peymaania 2 years ago
Vstupielnyj spirit as in Bach, and then I at me have reduced in a throat from such fantastic music/ 5:14 /, I am is lost completely !!!!!!!!!!!
a32Unity 2 years ago
My grandfather liked to draw this picture from the old postmail card
a32Unity 2 years ago
I've heard of a transverse flute but what does it look like?
Pretty cool anyway!
iLikeBaroqueMusic 2 years ago
It's a regular concert flute. In the baroque period, "flute" = "recorder". Only after the recorder disappeared did the transverse flute become referred to as just a "flute".
HARMONICO101 2 years ago 2
ma questo e' flauto dolce o traverso??? mi sembra dolce!
remedios89 2 years ago
@iLikeBaroqueMusic : It is a flute blown sideways instead of straight on. Like blowing into the side of a pipe and not down into the end. A flute, which is sideblown (transverse flute, C conert flute, alto flute, bass flute, contrabass flute) is called a flute. A recorder, which is endblown, is called a recorder, and sometimes a "flute".
jazzflutist 1 year ago
ornamenta demasiado, habria q hacerlo la 1ra vez normal y la 2da vez ornamentado pero es q demasiado lo ornamento en un periodo tan corto XD eso si m gusta mucho los ritardandos q hace:D
azulyrojo89 2 years ago
a la primera mujer d bogota q le guste esta musik mejor dicho me caso con ella es ya
89112450700 2 years ago
Comparing Telemann's fantasia's to Bach's fugues one can really appreciate the incredible depth of creativity that Telemann had.
This piece is a wonderful example of the richness of his music and an excellent rendition.
DarkwingScooter 2 years ago 2
I could care less what the romantic and modern composers say about Vivaldi or Telemann. They don't understand beauty in music, so they write a bunch of dull or harsh crap.
Kiddfan777 2 years ago 19
Bah. Baroque is the best.
Virussse 2 years ago 4
@Kiddfan777 A lot of the disregard for Telemann can be traced to a single source and historical accident.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter
OK, I'll ask: Who/what are the source & historical accident you refer to?
Ken5244 1 year ago
@Ken5244 If I recall correctly It was the publication of Burney's music history a while after Telemann's death.
He said something to the effect of "nobody who wrote that much music could be any good". Of course at the time it wasn't exactly common to perform "old" music, so Telemann suffered a reputational deficit ever since partly on the basis of that volume, even though he was likely more influential on the Classicists than Bach was stylistically.
At least that's the theory.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@DarkwingScooter
Hmmm, interesting. I wasn't familiar with any of that. Thanks for the info.
Ken5244 1 year ago
@Ken5244 It might not have been Burney in particular but just a new aesthetic which started to take hold at that time. Christine Klein discusses it in her "Dokumente zur Telemann-Rezeption 1767 bis 1907" (1998).
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@Ken5244 The review of that book by Steven Zohn in Notes, Volume 58, Number 1, September 2001, pp. 75-77 is a good read in this regard.
DarkwingScooter 1 year ago
@Kiddfan777 It seems very-closed minded to reject other styles of classical music like that, maybe if you understood romanticism better, and learned to enjoy the subtle nuances in it, as I think you have with Baroque, then you would understand why other people regard it with such wonder.
alexisrussian 3 months ago
Telemann is a really good composer, but he's so incredibly prolific that sometimes his music sounds a little too rushed and too repetitive, in my opinion...but that's not the case with this piece! :)
bubblykings 2 years ago
Stravinsky said the same thing about vivaldi, that he wrote the same concerto many times, because of his great number of concertos, but it's absolutely not the case, like for Telemann :)
Harmonieuniverselle 2 years ago
Well...interesting but I love Vivaldi with all my heart no matter what.
bubblykings 2 years ago 11
@bubblykings interesting ?? if you will a flute player you will understand the beauty of telemann^^
azulyrojo89 7 months ago 2
first time i hear it and i already like it =)
Hyarunar 3 years ago
Thanks for uploading this magnificent piece by Telemann, the most prolific composer of all time.
sciprio 3 years ago 3
Excellent composition... It sounds quite Indian at times... May be I'm mistaken...
eushaeusha 3 years ago 2
das stück ist ganz schön. aber schon wieder die falschen schlagworte!
axelabshalom 3 years ago 2
Please, you're getting really annoying whining about the tags. Do you even know what they are for? And why do you even care?
HARMONICO101 3 years ago 4
Hey! That weirdo is whining about the tags again?! lol :P
Wow... Can't believe there are people like that...
bubblykings 3 years ago
Thank you for sharing this Telemann piece. It's true he was wonderful composer, there's some great surprises to be found for those who dig deep enough into his vast repertoire - his oboe sonatas being one, and, of course, this fine concerto!
Paul
Jalapablo 3 years ago
pour bonheur a ecouter! merci
marighim2008 3 years ago
The Pesto is amazing!!!!
fastasaswhale 3 years ago 2
I love pesto to, especially on pasta! ;)
But I also like that presto movement. It's pretty amazing.
HaMoOhAhA 3 years ago
I made mistake, so shoot me.
fastasaswhale 3 years ago
I was just kidding around, yeesh lighten up.
HaMoOhAhA 3 years ago
I know...I like busting people's horns.
fastasaswhale 3 years ago
You don't have to be a dick either.
HaMoOhAhA 3 years ago
I'm sorry if my joke didn't come across as a joke.
fastasaswhale 3 years ago