Amway: Libby Trickett delivers the real facts

[MetallicaAddiction1]

Concrete research has shown that two thirds of Amway employees make less than $151 a year, and that the amount of Amway IBOs that make more than $45K is .6%.

So in other words, 1 in approximately 167 registered Amway sellers will make $45K a year, a figure which isn't that high.

The percentage of Amway sellers that make $700K a year is .0024%, meaning that 1 in around 42000 people will achieve the Amway dream...

Btw these are all facts

[foster2367]

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[ramonpaone]

Grande Amway, da ITALIA!

[dimmy1985]

@insider201283 hey insider, what was the name of your company before you joined amway? and what was the name of the two IBOs & their companies before they joined amway? i am interested in looking them up. priv msg if you want. thanks.

[gachie1]

Also, the INDIRECT FORCE FROM YOUR UPLINE.....Man, they want to be a rich in no time. I've seen my upline to stuggle financially and not giving justise to his family. He just wants to spend money for the books, CDs, FECs etc etc. He doesn't have money to pay his child's education fee, but he is spending money to unneccessary AMWAY things. He is BRAINWASHED. Indeed, if he become successful than his MONEY pass to the next generation!! Bullshit!

[gachie1]

I've been with Amway since last 2 years. It's just a rip off. Pace meetings fee $4,Business Meeting $5 every Tuesdays. I understand that it is because of the venue hire.Something that pissed me off is the CDs and books.I can't believe that books cost around $25 which bought from the contries like India at the nominal cost.

Furthermore, what's ratio who end up being a successful DIAMOND?? 1 in 500000? Do you guys have any statestics which make me believe that this stupid thing works??

[miaswaly2]

I am Ismi from Malaysia...I love how Amway operates the business..and because of that, Amway is No.1 in direct sales industry up until now...and I believe for years to come!

[desmo2002]

awsome THRIC3THR33 i totaly agree with you sum people are just negitive in this world and try to push there negitive veiws onto other people

[THRIC3THR33]

Ps. If i were to use some of the previous negative reasoning from below we could say that: Doctors and Lawyers don't make any money or else EVERYONE would be one... and universities are a scam because i know someone that dropped out of university without succeeding so universities obviously don't work and are just brainwashing people... think about that and you'll realise how crazy your lines of thought are!

[fins54]

@THRIC3THR33 That was well said, well written and an excellent analogy. I'm an American IBO and am glad to have you and fellow IBO's down under building this brilliant brand worldwide. As for the critics, Amway has been around for 50 years. There are 3M people worldwide who enjoy this business. Not everyone who attempts Amway will succeed. That's true of every business venture.

[THRIC3THR33]

Please all ignore the negative remarks, they are always the same narrow minded comments speaking about sales and markup, blah blah blah and have no idea about the 3% money and other various royalties paid to IBOs for building a business. If just one of them read a Robert Kyosaki book they may start to comprehend how to build an asset in the form of recurring income instead of working in a job for the rest of their lives.

[Eriksz]

Awesome

[joethomas81]

The stupidity justin, is that is u realised how the system works, the products are available to anyone who wants to buy them, and putting them on the shelves costs absorbonant amounts of money.. hmmm... i think i would rather put the retail marketing dollar in my pocket as an IBO than in Frank Lowies thanks

[DarrenGreenTheBest]

People in Sydney obviously don't want financial freedom and optimal health either...

[correspondent7]

Hey guys please give JustinFromSydney a break! Everyone is ignorant just on a different set of subjects but it doesn't mean we should make them feel insecure. Some people don't know, but some don't know what they don't know. JustinFromSydney just needs some special care and help and its not your place to hold that against him. Just because he was reported last week, it still does not give you the right to laugh at his expense. Instead we should look for constructive ways to encourage the lost.

[dougk710]

And what about the distributor's price for the grocery lines, you buy in bulk and they still cost as much as Coles. I have done a comparison. Bottom line - any company has to move product, not hype, and you can't move product at high wholesale prices with low margins.

[thickmass22]

In the USA some top level Amway distrubutors are suing the company claiming an Amway business cannot work because the products are too expensive. And the reason is the owners refuse to lower their profit take from sales. So they make a fortune and everybody else loses. Those are the facts. What other business has cleaning products that cost twice as much as they did years ago?

[insider201283]

Price comparisons are below in response to your other comment - Amway's cleaners are cleaner cheaper than the competition. As for the US lawsuit, you seem to have missed the fact the distributors involved where (a) kicked out of Amway for unethical business practices and (b) lost the court battles and Amway was awarded millions in damages. But hey, why let a few facts get in the way of a lousy opinion?

[JustinFromSydney]

You're deluded.. Just like the IBO's in this video are. It's quite obvious they are people who have fallen through the cracks. They aren't wall street investors or anyone who have any investing know-how. They are people who can be subjected to brain washing like that which occurs.

[danandlindabaird]

Hey Justin; I don't think the guys in the video are IBOs. I suppose you could be cynical & assume the whole thing was set up but I don't think that was the case. In fact, I think if you did this exact thing with any randomly selected group in Australia U would probably get the same result!

I'm not sure what your motivation is for your consistently negative commentary; if you have had a bad experience with an upline or with the company you can address that to Amway or to Consumer Affairs.

[dougk710]

Try selling an espring for example - about $1200 wholesale, you make say 25%, (what business can retail products at such a low markup) so you make $300 if you can find anyone to buy a product at 2x what a similar product costs. "Oh but, ours is the best", it might be, but it still isn't worth double what a competitor's product is. And why are the replacement filters $300 when it is fairly easy to get one for under $200.

[insider201283]

Yes it's expensive but the espring filter is the best of the best, there is no competitor I'm aware of that does what it does. Is there a market for a cheaper model? Yes, I think there is, but Amway's elected to go with one top of the range model. Too hard to sell? So sell something else, there's hundreds and hundreds of products to choose from.

[thickmass22]

a $300 filter is great when you're in a 3rd world country with filthy rivers and bore water. But in Sydney, where the tap water is already quite safe to drink and is filtered by Sydney Water, what's the point? A Brita filter is good enough, it's not like you're innards will dissolve.

[insider201283]

Wasn't it less than a decade ago there was a major water scare in sydney with regard giardia and cryptosporodium. If I recall correctly eSpring was the ONLY home filter that adequately dealt with them fully. Find and read the book "Sydney on Tap".

[thickmass22]

It was in the 90's and steps put in place to prevent it happening again. The Sydney Catchment Authority was formed, whose only job is to look after the catchment water. Who needs eSpring? Nobody in Sydney...

[insider201283]

A benefit most people miss about eSpring is the electronic monitoring system. If you don't replace a filter at the appropriate time, the water quality can be worse than no filter at all. How many faucet filters are sitting on peoples taps and haven't been replaced every 3 months as recommended? eSpring drives you nuts with warnings if you don't replace the filter when needed.

[gachie1]

@insider201283 "BEST OF THE BEST" is the standard dialouge I come across after joining the business. It's all about selling products. Also, product prices are amazingly high!!

[dougk710]

I spoke to my "upline" who made me a lot of promises and underdelivered on all of them. I asked him how many Esprings he had sold. He said a lot. I asked him how many he had sold at retail and the answer was none. The trouble with Amway is that the products are too expensive. Good quality, yes, but even at so called wholesale, they are overpriced.

[insider201283]

see the two LOC price comparisons I did in a comment below.

[missylpy]

WOW!!! cOOL!!!!!!!!

[gchand180]

Amway has allowed us to have the financial flexibility for my wife to be home full time for the past 7 years. I have nothing but admiration and respect for what they do and stand for. An amazing opportunity.

[datto54]

AWESOME!!! Im so proud to be affiliated with the biggest, brightest and best company with the fairest process in the free enterprise world!

[mrscrazymumma]

To the peolpe who doubt this business, as jertzybolofsy said, give it a go. You really don't have anything to loose.

Great Company

Great Products

Great Personal Development.

You meet great people who become lifelong friends.

If Sandra Bullock, Adam Gilchrist, Libby Tricket etc are willing to put their names behind some of the products so am I.

50 years and getting stronger and better.

There are many different branches, make sure you go with a good one like Team Mak.

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

no one in this world will ever sustain good, honest, success unless they treat people RIGHT with integrity, honesty and loyalty. Stick to these principles and you will be successful in whatever you do. I like the Amway opportunity because it gives me the abilty to have time AND money to do the things I want to do. Help others succeed and you will automatically be rewarded, its a basic law of economics. You get what you focus on, hint hint, don't focus on the downward spiral of negativity.

[eatcowie]

Yeah! sure is suprising - great clip and nice one Libby -Its good to see and high time Australians' lost the baggage about some of the myths and monsters from the bad old dodgy bros days of a few loose cannons - Aussie Aussie Aussie Oi Oi Oi! What a Gold medal winner!

[JustinFromSydney]

Amway is American.

[insider201283]

Yet they support primarily Australian made products through the catalogue, and of course the vast majority of profits from sale of Amway products is paid to Australians.

[JustinFromSydney]

The profits of Amway products sold to IBO's (who are the real customers of Amway) go to the USA.

[insider201283]

Approx 32% of the gross price of Amway products is paid back to IBOs as rebates, the vast majority of whom are in Australia. The IBOs also earn retail profit for any products they sell. When expenses are considered far more of the profit remains in Australia than goes to the US, furthermore, Australian manufacturers obviously keep the profits for products they manufacture and sell through Amway. Anyway - what's your point? Welcome to the 21st century.

[eatcowie]

Your hilarious mate! Um der! yes of course Amway is American - no brainer - but its now Amway Global in 80+ countries around the world and huge business in Australia.

However judging by your recent convos with insider201283 you're a mind is like concrete so I don't expect you to just accept that fact like you can't with any of the others but just to qualify, The aussie comments was in reference to Amway in Australia and Libby being an olympian etc ...bit of a laugh... you should try it!

[JustinFromSydney]

The irony being that it is YOUR mind that is like concrete.

Oh please, are you trying to say the the only alternative to me havign a concrete mind is to embrace Amway and lose money to an unethical business?

[Doongysmum]

Hey Justin! Just wanted to stop by to say THANK YOU!! You are the reason I look at this site from time to time to see what other ridiculous comments you've come up with and I'm so pleased to tell you that you haven't let me down.... very funny.... I am sorry that you have been so misinformed. Keep having fun! :)

[JustinFromSydney]

It's funny, because you still think you have an interest in retaining faith in the "amway" "business". While Amway might make a lot of money, the "IBO's" don't. I have been reading quite a lot about this cult, and your comments just continue to inform me how BRAIN WASHED you are.

[DarrenGreenTheBest]

I qualified emerald today and am able to retire from the workforce and be a stay at home dad.

If thats what you mean by 'the "IBO's" don't make money, and if by brainwashed you mean positive and educated then you may be on to something there Justin. Enjoy mediocrity.

[JustinFromSydney]

Oh yes i'm sure.

If amway was at all successfull then every person in the world would be in it.. instead of a select few people who are too stupid to realise that if Amway products were at all valuable then they would be sold in supermarkets amongst REAL competition, not only to a select few *special* IBO's.

[fins54]

@JustinFromSydney Justin, I believe your hypothesis is flawed. Amway = 50 years experience, $8.4B sales, 13,000 emps and 3M IBOs worldwide. Also success requires work. Not everyone has a college degree or professional certification. That's because many people don't want to do the work. Amway makes it easy for the average person to get in but it still requires a good work ethic. As for supermarket competition, Amway isn't competing for that market. But thanks for sharing your opinions.

[JustinFromSydney]

Many "schemes" have been going for decades. Racism has been going for centuries. The age of something does not prove its correctness. That's known as an 'appeal to age' fallacy.

It's true when you say "amway isn't competing for that market". It isn't competing for it, because it knows it could never survive on a real market. It sticks to supplying products to individuals who are easy to brainwash.

[nasri]

@JustinFromSydney Lol brainwashed? Brainwashed is when you spend over 40 years of your life waking up when you don't want to wake up, drive in traffic you don't want to drive in, to go to a place you don't want to go, to do some things you don't want to do, for someone you don't even want to do it for. THAT'S brainwashed.

[JustinFromSydney]

By that logic, every person who lives in the capitalist world should join amway... On the promise that they can escape the daily grind. Amway is a brainwashing strategy which allows people who don't have much economic belonging to believe that they can have what ever materialist desire they want, so long as they follow the amway dream.

But unfortunately we live in the real world.

[25jpexito]

@nasri THAT IS RIGHT!!!!! JEJEJEJE

[Doongysmum]

@DarrenGreenTheBest

Awesome! Congratulations!! :)

[25jpexito]

@DarrenGreenTheBest ~CONGRATULATIONS CHAMP!~ WHERE YOU FROM?

[MsMegawalker]

Breaking out of the paradigm really gets up the nose of ppl who have invested their whole being into something that isn't working for them or 95% of the 'working' population.

The only friends you loose are those that can't stand the excitement and optimism of someone chasing their dreams instead of reliving a nightmare everyday after day after day.

It's not for every consumer in the world, just 3.5 million of us in 90 countries and counting. You can't know what you don't know. Be open.

[jertzybolofsky]

Doing Amway Loving it .The personal development is excellent and the people are real and genuine .For $80 highly recommend people to join and have a look from the inside and if you don't like it you have 90days to get yr money back . Thats confidence!

[MelbourneDan]

The issue is, and always has been that with any network marketing organisation - the first people in make the real money and it's only an absolute minority of people who get anywhere near the riches and success that is talked about at all of the meetings. I've been involved with Amway and a few others over the years - I have a REALLY strong marketing and online business background, yet I was not allowed as a "business owner" to marketing my business via ANY normal, mainstream channels.

[luj2010]

2 points:

* It is a fair system. You can earn more than people up the chain. I've done the maths (btw I have a BE(Hons) degree so I can do maths better than most).

* You wouldn't open a McDonalds store and then change the menu or create your own advertising and marketing campaign - so it wouldn't make sense to do it with Amway either.

[insider201283]

MelbourneDan, the most successful and profitable Amway IBOs in Australia joined some 10 to 15 years after Amway opened. That alone should convince you that your thesis has some flaws.

There are restrictions on how you can market, but a little thought an analysis of the nature of the network marketing model should convince you they're (mostly) smart and sensible restrictions, much like similar restrictions with franchises. Indeed, we have far fewer such restrictions!

[JustinFromSydney]

Then why doesn't amway advertise in the Wall street journal, or any of the other places that successful people read. Why is it marketted at paupers who are from the bottom of the financial spectrum?

[insider201283]

Justin, I'm not sure how your question follows from the discussion, but Amway has just run full page advertisements in The Australian, that's not exactly targeting the "paupers".

[JustinFromSydney]

Why not? I doubt the uptake would be high amongst readers of "The Australian", none-the-less.

[Doongysmum]

Hi Justin, there was also a two page spread about Amway in the BRW last year. Becauses they don't spend loads of money on advertising is the reason they can afford to pay the Independent Business Owners, who then spend the money back into the Australian economy. Also, as insider201283 mentioned, the non Amway products in the catalogue are primarily Australian made, so they are definitely very supportive of our economy. I hope this answers your concerns. :)

[JustinFromSydney]

Amway is American products. Your idea of IBO's spending the money back into the Australian economy is particularly redundant, because the IBO population would be so small (as would their bank balance (as would the amount they get back from Amway), that anything re-spent into the Australian economy would be a drop in the ocean.

[Doongysmum]

Thanks for your observations Justin, I'm sorry you feel that way, I was hoping to enlighten you however it seems that you know more about this than I do. I wish you well.

[JustinFromSydney]

Another bizarre attempt at reverse psychology. If you think you are in some position to *enlighten* me then that shows how deluded you are to start off with.

[insider201283]

but funnily enough the (smaller) amount of money that goes back to the US as profits is significant to you. :-/

And we haven't even looked into the (likely) millions that come in to the Australian economy as a result of Amway IBOs businesses that have expanded overseas. Not to mention the numerous international conventions held in Australia as incentives for international IBOs.

But I'm sure you can find something else to complain about ;-)

[JustinFromSydney]

it's not significant to me, because i know how insignificant Amway is. You are yet to explain how any corporation can be normal when it does not exist on an open market but seeks to sell its product to a select few "special" people who call themselves IBO. If its products are all they are cracked up to be, why don't they exist on the shelves of woolworths?

[insider201283]

oh yes, insignificant. One of the largest retailers in the world (according to Deloitte). Manufactures and sells the world's best selling brand of nutritional supplements and one of the largest selling brands of skin care and cosmetics (both according to Euromonitor) ... and you call them "insignificant" cause they're not on the shelves at woolies - as if that defines if something is a quality product or not! LOL!

[thickmass22]

exactly how much of the $8bn is 'retailed' exactly? Almost no IBO's retail products to others, it's largely a wholesale buying club at huge prices that ensure the Van Andel and DeVos families always make money.

[n21gal]

Justin....stay poor, and I dont necessarily mean money poor

[JustinFromSydney]

And i'm poor because i don't belong with Amway? What kind of bizare attempt at reverse psychology was that sentence born from.

[n21gal]

No..... you're poor because of you closed minded thinking. And again I dont mean poor in the monetary sense

[JustinFromSydney]

In what way am i close minded?

[n21gal]

It's so abvious from all of your comments that you definitely havent researched this company properly. If you are going to have such a strong opinion about something than do yourself a favour and get the real facts. Its usually people that are closed minded that dont do their reasearch properly...That's all I have to say. Hope you have a good life Justin

[JustinFromSydney]

I have researched this "company", though.

Simply because i know the truth and you don't want to know the truth does not mean that i have not researched the "company".

[n21gal]

ok then..........

[TheRealSaucyWench]

Several of my relatives used Amway products when I was a child and liked them. But these days you can get similar products that are better quality and cost a fraction of the price. The reality is their products are like Avon, dubious value for money, and they often smell terrible.

[eatcowie]

I used to 'push' Avon.

I now use Artistry - my sister is a makeup artist and National Body Art champion - she'd already heard of Artistry before I introduced her to it as she only deals with best make up houses like MAC etc - its in the top 5 - and she now uses it herself - no argument from the experts but go ahead and believe your own diatribe waffle if it makes you feel better.

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

@TheRealSaucyWench Hi, you are so wrong. Thanks for your input though.

[TheRealSaucyWench]

Well no. I think I know whether I like the smell of something. :) It's your choice to buy Amway if you like it.

*shrug* this whole page will be full of people who love Amway and that's fine, but it doesn't really show what MOST people think of the products.

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

@TheRealSaucyWench Sorry, I wasn't referring to fact that you don't like the smell. All good.

[insider201283]

SaucyWench, Avon products are well regarded around the world, as are Amway products which have won many, many independent consumer awards. What's more in the cosmetics line, Artistry is better quality and cheaper than it's mainstream competition (again, assessed independently) of Estee Lauder, Lancome etc. Great products, great price.

[jollyjumbuck9]

Just for the record, a few facts..

My wife and i built a $1000 per month income business, befor emajor health issues forced us out. We lost no friends and made many more. Two of our business associates had been earning $100,000 a year for several years, and several of our downline people have gone on to good things in Amway. but why spoil ignorant slander with facts.

[MissRuthKatherine]

My parants did amway back in the day. they liked the products, but the whole system that the team they were with was pushy and intrusive. they got burnt bad. but now i do amway as well and even theyve said its a lot different to what they were involved in. it depends on the people you deal with. you can get real dodgy people and you can get real great people too.

just because people have had bad experiences with people who are customers of amway doesnt make the company bad. makes the people bad

[JonathonDanielPayne]

that is 100% right that what i try telling people to i am a IBO as well sine September

[JonathonDanielPayne]

this was for

MissRuthKatherine

[Muso8787]

If this was a legitimate company selling quality products, they wouldnt need advertisements like this trying to defend its reputation and flex its "8.2 billion dollar" muscles.

I have known 3 different people involved in amway in my life, and two of them were dodgy. The other was gullible and came to his senses.

[eatcowie]

A YouTube clip vs the billions every year maccas defending their 'healthy choices' message to the masses and that makes it so much more reputable! And I guess two out three people that you knew once is a credible survey sample in the face of stats like that too. Lucky I read your post - I couldv'e been 'sucked in' by the dozens actual people I've met - now friends who are brilliant, helpfull, happy, encouraging, generous, truthful and in this business making a difference. Good luck muso8787

[insider201283]

No offence Muso, but sounds like you're the common factor and maybe you need to change circle of friends! I've met many, many, many people involved with Amway, and while some have indeed been dodgy, the vast majority are great people.

[Nitroglycerin89]

yamum1976 you think we log in on multiple accounts so we can rate it a good video? U got issues. Believe what you want bloke, im not here to make you think otherwise but i suggest you take ur rant elsewhere coz no1 cares what you have to say. If you had facts then i would listen but you dont, all u got is opinion and it aint worth nothin

[shutingchen111]

The "employee" in the video does mean the real staffs working in the company including IT staffs, Marketers, Naturopath, beauty advisor, customer services It is a real fact! You can dislike Amway but it is a shame that you try to deny a real fact and make up a rumour!

[MrAussie4ever]

Wow, impressed & also by Libby's comments, thx 4 sending the link (why do loosers waste their time giving unfounded comment, go get a life)

[Nitroglycerin89]

lol you have had an Amway business?

[yamum1976]

No but I know people who have and it nearly cost them every friend they ever had.

[indian1942741]

@yamum1976

Truly, an idiot!

[OtherwiseEngaged]

This company is a cult as evidenced by the comments below.

Their products are second rate, made from crap ingredients with plenty of allergens and carcinogens.

Not to mention they are way overpriced for the quality.

[Nitroglycerin89]

... sigh

[MissRuthKatherine]

@OtherwiseEngaged have you even looked into the ingredients to see the actual quality and where its made and how its made? you wouldnt be saying this if u had

[JonathonDanielPayne]

People don't think of AMWAY this way that's way no one got it i am a IBO and love all the products and made friends from being in the busness so much more i could say good about it

[JonathonDanielPayne]

what would you know

[fredmeyering]

What a company. High quality products, fantastic leaders, generous givers,awesome personal training and all you have to do is work on your own business and all of this is ours. There is nothing like this anywhere else.

[prabirsaha]

The products and the system are truly world class

[gachie1]

No doubt it has best product range such as XS drinks, Emma Page etc. However you must note the fact that it's nothing more than a multilevel marketing.

You need to spend approximate AUD$400 to get 50 PV and you need to continue 50 PV for atlest 18 months and continue growing making members to get commission / check.

We involved initially but couldn't resist with indirect pressure of "UPLINES". Also, AMWAY's so called "Education System" is nothing but following best seller's philosophy.

[JustinFromSydney]

In what way is it the "best product range"?

[Doongysmum]

Best product range means all Amway distributed products (incl those not their brand such as Nestle etc., have a full 90 day no questions asked money back guarantee (try getting that anywhere else). The vitamins and mineral supplements are the ONLY totally organic range in the world and have independent scientific research backing them. The skincare range is phenomenal (Sandra Bullock sent her own scientists to test it before putting her face to it). And lots more but out of space here....

[JustinFromSydney]

Still falling short of explaining how its the best product range.

[insider201283]

Well try our 3 major brands - Artistry, independently judged one of the top 5 best selling prestige brands in the world. Nutrilite, the #1 best selling nutritional brand in the world for many years, backed by incredible science but with it's roots in nature, and eSpring, the most effective home water treatment system available. Not to mention environmentally friendly products like the LOC range, which introduced the world to the term "biodegradeable" 50 years ago!

[JustinFromSydney]

When you say "our brands", you say it like you have some ownership of the brands. You don't. Someone who owns a line of products can discontinue the production of the product. You try to stop the production of a product. You can't. You are the customer, not the owner.

[insider201283]

Semantics. I'm an authorised agent, that gives me certain rights, and my business markets and sells these brands, so I feel a certain sense of ownership.

[JustinFromSydney]

Authorised agent? lol.

McDonald's doesn't say it owns Coca Cola simply because it sells it.

Your sense of ownership is construed. There lies the manipulation.

[insider201283]

Go speak to a McDonalds's franchisee, ask him if he talks about "our burgers" and get back to me.

[JustinFromSydney]

The critical difference being that people purchase McDonalds burgers not from the employee but from the corporation. IBO's are the customers of Amway. Amway doesn't care what IBO's do with its "high quality" products, because IBO's don't have customers. IBO's *are* the customers.

[insider201283]

Yes, IBOs are customers of Amway, and IBOs most certainly also have customers. If they do not have wholesale (other IBOs) or retail customers then, by definition, they are not running a business.

But back to the point - I used to sell computers and components. I was a customer of a wholesaler. I'd resell to a customer - and I'd certainly say "our computers" or "our motherboards". Oh, and I believe people purchase McDonald's burgers from the franchisee, not from McDonalds.

[JustinFromSydney]

I can see the beginnings to the pyramid mechanism in your second sentence. Once again, that's not the way the real world works.

As for your second paragraph, that's because you were an employee of the company. You are not an employee of Amway. You don't get an hourly rate. You just spend your monthly ammount online and receive your "products" in the mail. That doesn't make you an employee. That makes you a customer.

[insider201283]

Yes, it is the way the "real world" works, and "real world" distribution is also heirarchical (pyramid shaped) - indeed far more so than an Amway network. Tax authorities around the world are also quite clear on when someone is running a business or not, and the majority of people who sign an Amway contract are not in business. They are merely customers, either of Amway or whomever sponsored them, depending on how you look at it.

[JustinFromSydney]

Exactly. IBO's are not employees of Amway. There is just as much merit in me buying coca cola from a supermarket and trying to re-sell it and then imagining that i am part of the coca-cola company.

[insider201283]

As for my second paragraph, I was not an employee, I was a company owner. I got not hourly rate. My company was a customer of various wholesalers and manufacturers (actually primarily one wholesaler), just like my Amway IBOship is indeed a customer of Amway.

If I'm "just spending" on Amway products I am indeed just "a customer". People running Amway businesses do far more than that. Clearly you have not had the model explained well to you.

[JustinFromSydney]

They *don't* do more than that. Aside from attending brain-washing seminars etc.

[insider201283]

You claim above to have "researched the company". This statement of yours makes it clear you have not and you have very little knowledge about what it takes to build a profitable network marketing business. A shame that you are so ill-informed yet feel the need to espouse your ignorance publicly.

[JustinFromSydney]

The irony being that very few (if any) people actually build a profitable network marketing business via Amway. It's for people who don't have much in the way of capital, and plays on their desires. It's like a malformed version of Avon.

[insider201283]

The *real* irony being that just this pass weekend I learned from two successful Amway IBOs who both owned successful multi-million dollar companies when they were introduced to the Amway business. The irony being that when I joined I had a successful company with operations in more than 20 towns and cities throughout the east coast. The irony being with comments like this you just keep showing how little you actually know! Though yes, a great advantage is it requires little capital to start.

[JustinFromSydney]

hahahaaaa.. you must be one of the people who try to brain wash people into joining.

Yes, i'm *sure* you met two multi-millionaires who felt the need to join Amway.

And i'm equally as sure that you had a successful business before joining Amway.

It's funny that you keep refering to it as being the "amway business". In business, you seek to make money. People only ever LOSE money in MLM schemes like Amway.

Keep trying with the objection-stoppers though.

[insider201283]

Ah yes, the last defence of the defenceless Amway critic - accuse everyone of lying. Top business academics write books praising the company. World famous athletes endorse the products. Presidents speak at the seminars. Independent bodies give it and  it's products numerous awards. IBOs are photographed receiving million dollar checks. More than $8billion in sales is generated yearly, with more than 30% of that paid out to the IBOs. Yet nobody makes any money.

Uhuh.

[JustinFromSydney]

Amways *is* built on lies. This isn't some mindless pursuit to make Amway look bad. Amway *is* bad.

Business academics can be bought. As can athletes and even presidents.

No body receives a million dollar check at Amway except the people towards the top of the PYRAMID.

Amways also does not earn $8billion in sales.

[insider201283]

ROFLMAO!!!

.... and the Queen is an 8ft tall alien reptile!!!!! Read that on the 'net too!

[JustinFromSydney]

Well you believe in Amway so i wouldn't be surprised if you believe that the queen is an alien.

[thickmass22]

Amways sales have been $8bn worldwide for at least 10+ years, allowing for inflation you'd have to agree their sales are declining.

[insider201283]

Do you knowingly make stuff up or are you just plain ignorant? Amway's global sales 10 years ago in 2000 were $3.84 billion. In 2008 it was $8.2billion. Allowing for inflation you'd have to agree you're an idiot.

[thickmass22]

Tell me why LOC is so expensive? It's just a simple detergent as mixed in a bathtub back in the good old days. It has no special rare ingredient so why is it such a rip-off?

[insider201283]

What planet are you on? A search of homeshop online for eco friendly multipurpose cleaners finds Earth Choice Cleaner Multi Purpose Spray , $0.50/500ml.

LOC, mixed to Multi Purpose Spray concentrations $0.05/500ml. That's 900% cheaper!! Or a specialty spray LOC Glass $2.69/500ml vs Ajax Spray and Wipe Glass $3.40/500ml. And that's at Amway RRP prices, not as a member.

[poker789]

$400 for 50PV? 18 months? What products were you buying? And where did you get that arbitrary number from?

I got commission in my first month, buying for my own home, no selling and no recruiting.

Who was teaching you what to do? They obviously didn't do a good job of it!

[Nitroglycerin89]

Sorry bloke but 1PV = $3.41 on the exclusive brand items (XS, Nutriway, Emma Page ect..) So to get 50PV you spend min $170.50. If i spend $400 i would end up with about 90-117PV. Where you getting ur facts from?

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

@gachie1 You are wrong about the 50PV $400. 1PV=$3.75 including GST so $187.50 will get you 50PV in a month of house hold spending with the 1000's of products this is very easy. Also, there are no commissions from introducing new members.

[iBrettowski]

oh actually your wrong about introducing new members,,, we get about $1... depends on the rebate scale... some can get around $2..=] thought i might throw this in... sorry had to be a smart ass..(i think i worked it out i got 30c for my first sign up!) now amway haters, dont go crazy over giving somebody $1...

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

@iBrettowski We don't get any rebate based ONLY on sign up of new IBO's. You need to have group volume (shopping/sales) to get a rebate

[insider201283]

Uh wow gachie1 - what propaganda have you believed from a competitor company? I don't think there was a single correct "fact" in your post. It seems your "pressuring upline" wasn't even telling you the truth about Amway. Please, report them to Amway, they're giving us a bad name!

[fizza17]

GOLD GOLD GOLD!!!

[fizza17]

GOLD!!!

[ascc6363]

Excellent video. Well done.

[katehulahoops]

You don't know what this company is really about until you become involved with them. From the outside it can be interpreted as so many things, but from the inside you discover that everybody is equal in this company, The guys who have made it big are there amongst those of us helping us build. I'm relieved that for once there's a company that actually cares about it's people's success rather than making money out of all of them.

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

Love it. 50 years of growth and now the next 50 hmmm, WATCH OUT. Go AMWAY!

[n21gal]

Can it get any better than this!!!! Thank you, I have a sneaking suspicion it will get better, you always do!

[anstandsdame]

short and great! i love this company!

[bigkidbrother]

The reaction these folks had is common to anyone who takes the time to intelligently educate themselves about the Amway Global company and the opportunity they provide. Great video!

[nbrid88]

Yes great video and great company. I love working with them their products are great. If your not already with them join they are great ... they are the real deal

[Abyssus666]

Fantastic, love it!

[dddreamchaserrr]

love it, love it, love it.. thanks guys in PR AMWAY... doing a GREAT job letting the world know about the real AMWAY

[iainstorm]

Yes great video and great compay. I love working with them their products are great. If your not already with them join they are great. :)

[insider201283]

Great video guys! Reminiscent of Microsoft's Mojave experiment.

[iprith]

wow!!! awesome!!!!

[AUSSIEsmartboi]

OMG, that is an awesome video. The Amway corporation and everyone involved with it deserves great recognition.